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Around SBN: Notre Dame's Turnaround: How Have The Irish Done It?

This article is by someone who would know: Garrett Broshuis. He's putting together quite a portfolio of pieces. Very good piece, with a bit of insight into the lives of these guys we root for.

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I’ve always wondered whether there was a notion that major league organizations ought to pay players in their farm system more than they do. I suppose the players that major league clubs really consider top prospects already have their bonuses, while others like our Mr. Broshuis (I love it when he writes) get the table scraps of “organization men”.

by non sequitur on Dec 15, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

I realize that it sounds pretty cold.

But if guys could make a good living as organizational players, it would sort of defeat the purpose of the minors as a developmental system. I think 10K is a pretty pitiful paycheck, and they probably should be paid more, but there needs to be some incentive for players who aren’t likely to make the majors in any meaningful role to take their leave. And not just that, baseball wouldn’t be doing these guys any favors by letting them string alone into their 30’s and then dumping them onto the job market with at best a stale degree and no marketable experience. As it is now, most guys with no future in the sport will be forced to face reality at a fairly young age, which is better for all involved.

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by Bhaakon on Dec 16, 2009 3:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I suppose you’re right. It’s just a brutal existence to me. It requires about as much investment in time and incurs as much opportunity cost as training for other skilled professions, but less than a quarter (and even far fewer?) of the people who do so will actually be able to make a living doing it. (Not to mention that those who do make it to the majors, but only for a cup of coffee, are little better off.) And even if you hedge your bets and try to build a fallback career in the offseason, what can you build when you have to be gone six months out of a year?

Whether this system is rational or not, I should say that I doubt major league clubs underpay players in their farm system (if they are indeed the ones who write their checks, see my question below) because they’re trying to give people who don’t have a chance an incentive to quit. I think they underpay them because they can. You have guys making minimum wage — and even less, considering they probably work more than 40 hours a week — and then you have guys for whom anything less than $1 million/year is considered chump change. The former outnumbers the latter like 5 or 6 to 1, and (I think) it’s all coming out of the same pot.

I guess I’m headed toward some type of commie observation. I mean, it isn’t really that surprising that minor leaguers don’t have a players union of their own and don’t complain about their pay to anyone but readers of articles like Broshius’. But, hey, if Moneyball represents a trend toward rationalization of player evaluation in the front office, maybe there will be another rationalization process in which minor leaguers will come to see themselves as workers rather than as simply failed versions of major leaguers. And then there will be CLASS WARFARE.

by non sequitur on Dec 16, 2009 6:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Well of course they underpay them because they can

But it’s also true that the minor leagues are not meant to be a career in and of themselves. And even if they’re working 40 hours a week for 6 months out of the year and earning about 10K, that comes out to $9.62 an hour, which is about what most of my college-age friends work for (and they generally didn’t enjoy the occassional post-game spread or road trip per-diem, not that those add up to very much).

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by Bhaakon on Dec 16, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I really enjoy Garret’s articles. This was a nice piece.

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 15, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions  

I wonder what broshuis does in the offseason.

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by raisingcain on Dec 15, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions  

Before free agency, this is what most major league players did as well—they were car salesmen, for example, where they could exploit their baseball glamor to impress buyers. As I recall, even very great players, such as Stan Musial, had winter jobs.

by campanari on Dec 15, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions  

That’s what she said.

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by Natto on Dec 15, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, Brute (or anyone else), how exactly do minor leaguers get paid? I’ve got a thousand questions here. I’m generally aware that for instance AAA players get paid more than A players. Does seniority accrue independent of what level you’re in? (So, for instance, if you’ve been stuck in A ball for 3 years, you get some sort of pay bump regardless.) Is it transferable, in the event that you get traded or otherwise hook up with another major league farm system? Who sets the scales — does each organization do so independently or is it set at a higher level?

I know that most minor league teams, even the affiliated ones, have to be self-sufficient businesses. But does this mean that player salaries are dependent on team revenues, or is this particular expense indeed covered by the major league club?

by non sequitur on Dec 15, 2009 11:19 PM PST reply actions  

I’m not sure about pay raises while staying at the same level but there is a bump as they move through the system. Here in SK they get payed around $1000/mo and first year in AAA it jumps to around $2200. Not sure how that tracks as they move in between, that’s just the numbers thrown at me by the guys I know and I quite frankly don’t ask much about their salaries.

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by RichH on Dec 16, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Brock Bond more now.

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by dregarx on Dec 15, 2009 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

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by bgunn on Dec 16, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions  

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