Future Free Agent Mistake Power Rankings, 12/15
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 12:33 PM PST
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PrintThe offseason is quickly dividing the fanbase into two camps:
- No moves is good moves. The longer we’re not hearing about a four-year deal to Adam LaRoche, the less likely we’re ever going to hear about one.
- WHY AREN’T YOU DOING ANYTHING, SABES? THE MARINERS JUST SIGNED CLIFF LEE AND WE DON’T EVEN HAVE AN OFFER IN TO (hitter) YET?
In the interest of ruining that first sentence before I get a chance to back it up, I’m somewhere in the middle. When I watch the Mariners get a one-year rental to drastically upgrade their team, a part of me secretly envies them, even though I wouldn’t want the Giants to follow suit. They have a shiny new toy. I like shiny new toys. Scott Podsednik would be an itchy sweater made out of possum fur, but you knew that.
The big deals aren’t the only ones that are making me jealous, either. The Blue Jays acquired Michael Taylor from the Phillies for Roy Halladay, and then they turned right around and traded Taylor for Brett Wallace. Hot prospect-for-prospect action! The rarest kind! And while I have my guesses as to who came out ahead (the A’s), we won’t know for a few years. But right now, each team has a shiny new toy. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t trade Madison Bumgarner for Justin Smoak, but it’d be interesting, at least. We’re halfway through December, and we’re without any interesting. I could use some interesting.
You know what else is interesting? Scott Podsednik on a two-year deal. That’s interesting like a kitchen fire. Maybe interesting isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. I’m scared of interesting and the Giants.
So with no news directly relating to the Giants, but with plenty of news reducing the options the Giants have in free agency, it’s time for another Future Free Agent Mistake Power Rankings. Who will be the Aaron Rowand of 2011? Well, Aaron Rowand, for one. But maybe he’ll have some overpaid company!
- Scott Podsednik -- OF -- ↑
Number one with a bullet. A signing that in the best case provides marginal upgrade while swallowing most of a limited budget? Oh, sure, I’ll take two. I think it’s disturbing that a team could seriously think about Eugenio Velez as a leadoff hitter and corner outfielder. More disturbing? That Velez could outproduce the Podsednik from ’07 and ’08 with his thumbs taped together. But don’t worry: when 34-year-olds drastically improve, those gains usually stick. Or is it the other way around? This baseball stuff is confusing!
- Adam LaRoche-- 1b -- ↑
It’s hard to be this high on the list when you’re a player who would improve the team over the internal options, but LaRoche’s ridiculous contract demands, combined with merely decent production, makes this a great chance to rowand the Giants into a corner by the end of the contract.
- Marlon Byrd -- OF -- ↓
With Mike Cameron off the market, Byrd is one of the better center fielders, and it’s been almost two years since Sabean has signed a center fielder. His palms are sweaty, his mouth is dry, and his sponsor isn’t returning his calls. Mmmmm. An overpriced center fielder sounds pretty good right about now, especially when you’re still kicking yourself for missing out on Gary Matthews, Jr.
- Jermaine Dye -- OF -- ↓
Sabean explicitly mentioned Dye as someone the Giants aren’t interested in. But I think that’s like when I tell my wife something like, "No, I don’t even really find Jessica Alba that attractive. Her earlobes aren’t symmetrical, and you know how I am about that." I have trust issues with our intrepid GM.
- Mark DeRosa—3B/LF -- ↑
At the right price, I’d welcome DeRosa. He’s not going to get the right price. DeRosa’s decline last year might have been age related, but it might have been a BABIP-influenced fluke. I sure as heck wouldn’t commit millions to the latter theory, but if he’s starting in left field instead of Velez, I might be able to ignore the horrible contract for a year. And it will be a horrible contract.
- Jason Bay-- OF -- ↑
He says he has no interest in the Giants. The Giants say they have no interest in him. There are still rumors floating around that the Giants really are interested. So when I read that Bay said he’s not interested in San Francisco, I’m guessing he said it while doing that money pantomime thing, rubbing his thumb and fingers together while he raises his eyebrows and gives you that look.
- Garrett Atkins -- DH -- ↑
I’ll admit, the 2006 and 2007 versions are intriguing, but chasing after past glories only makes sense if it’s cheap. That, and Atkins is the worst defensive third baseman in the history of the game. Would it be in poor taste to suggest that Ron Santo has better range, even today? Yes? Okay, then I won’t write that. But Atkins is an abomination. Maybe he’s better at first, but he isn’t that likely to be a good enough hitter to displace Travis Ishikawa. I’d take Atkins over Ishikawa, but only for a few hundred thousand dollars’ difference.
- Inconsequential Sub-Mediocre Free Agent Catcher -- C -- ↓
It’s going to happen, so the exact one – Miguel Olivo, Rod Barajas, Mike Sadek – doesn’t really matter. And as long as it isn’t a two-year deal, I can almost accept it, but you know whomever they acquire will play 150 games under Bochy. In GiantsLand, a catcher can make up for a .290 on-base percentage by calling a good game and handling a staff, so there’s no question that SMFAC will be more valuable than Buster Posey next year.
- Johnny Damon -- OF -- ↓
He can probably still hit, and he isn’t Scott Podsednik. Heck, I think I might be in favor of a Damon deal at this point. The only problem is that if he’s going to take two years, he’ll probably just take it from the Yankees.
- Hank Blalock -- 3B? -- ↓
No one is talking about him, and that scares me. I can imagine DeRosa, Nick Johnson, and LaRoche all taking other offers on the same day, leaving the Giants in a Garkoless panic.
I guess these rankings are, by design, doom-and-gloom. Maybe that’s not fair. But the Giants and free agency in the past few years have mixed like diarrhea and first dates. So, please, forgive me and the black cloud over my head.
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I’m somewhere in the middle, too. I glad the stupid hasn’t exploded out of Sabean’s brain yet, but the lack of doing anything is driving me a little bit crazy.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Have yuo forgooten the rush to sign F. Sanchez alread? That was pretty stupid.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
True enough.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
But it’s not on the level of some of his past offseason blunders.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Well, let’s review. Trades a relatively top prospect for a guy who’s injured and who the Pirates were willing to give away for a bag of chalk dust (never minding the fact that they could’ve kept the prospect and signed him as a free agent at the end of the season). Then, once the season is over, he announces that he might just exercise the 1 year $8M option, even though it didn’t vest, thereby reducing his negotiating leverage severely. Once that was accomplished, he rushed into a 2 year deal to sign him, even though it looked like there would be better, and possibly cheaper, options on the market who better fit the type of player that this team needed.
That’s a whole bucket of stupid in a very short time period.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
You don’t need to convince me it was dumb: I was right in the middle of the freakout here when that trade went down. Most of that didn’t happen in the offseason, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That freakout was pretty funny, by the way
We were all counting down to the deadline, generally positive about the Sanchez trade because the rumors were about guys like Jesus Guzman and Kevin Frandsen. Then the deadline comes, and there are rumors it’s Tim Alderson…and the crowd swiftly turns on Sabean in a serious way.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I forgoot noothing!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Aren’t offseasons supposed to be fun with dreams of your team signing the next big thing that will propel them to the Playoffs and a WS berth?
I don’t want to play this game anymore.
Toe the Line Haft!
The Giants can’t do a heck of a lot if they woo a player who doesn’t want to come to San Francisco. If you believe Peter Gammons, and most of us “baseball professionals” (see opening question) do, the Giants were prepared to give Bay the five-year deal that other teams were reluctant to offer. But Bay apparently has no desire to nestle where little cable cars climb halfway to the stars. And Holliday has given no indication that he wants to be a Giant, though his agent, Scott Boras, is obliged to rouse as much interest as possible.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Gammons was played
Sad that Gammons didn’t recognize it. Pathetic but expected that Haft didn’t either.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
4? nah, we can only afford to give out 1, 1 at the most, 12 million dollar contracts.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
that should read 2 at the most
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
How come all the players we dont want are the ones being considered?
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
Because we’re the lunatic fringe.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
By the way
The team’s record since Sabean dismissed anyone who criticized his moves as the “lunatic fringe”:
2004: 91-71
2005: 75-85
2006: 76-85
2007: 71-91
2008: 72-90
2009: 88-74
Total: 473-496
Good job, Sabes.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
we were 88-74 last season? Goddamn, it seems like it’s been so long
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 15, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Dodgers anyone?
The Giants should have shipped Sabean and kept Coletti!!!
I was pissed when he got away.
WE are Pedro Feliz.
Egro Pedro Feliz is the lunatic fringe?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
But Pedro Feliz is also Brian Sabean
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
Fringe?
I used to think that a lot of the fans were “lunatic fringe,” but I am just amazed that Bradley is a Mariner, Johnson a Yankee and Sabean is the lunatic who can’t get anything done.
I can’t see a team with Lewis and Rowand on it…but we will….and it is becoming clearer and clearer that the Giants are going to end up with Ishikawa at first, either a disaster at catcher or a not ready Posey, a not quite ready Bumgarner as the 5th, and another season like last. It sucks. I DO, however, not have a problem with the Sanchez deal because the Gmen weren’t really contenders anyway and Alderson (although he might have been able to be part of a better deal) had lost velocity and not progressed and was no longer considered to be an “elite” prospect. I do believe that having Sanchez in the lineup, healthy, will be a GREAT improvement. Now we need to find 20+ HR’s each from 2 players not named Panda and we can compete. Hmm….NOPE, won’t happen because they aren’t there (unless Schierholtz plays everyday, but then don’t think he quite gets there —15-18 more likely).
/8 year extension
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
They should make an electric pitchfork. All this stabbing is making my arms tired.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 15, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Might I suggest a cattle prod?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Because Sabean is ruining the show.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Seriously. WTF. I look at that list and it makes me want to vomit. But sadly, this is as creative as Sabes can get.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 15, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
A co-worker of mine saw that Juan Pierre went to the Sox, and I was glad the Giants didn’t get him. I then got accused of not wanting anyone in free agency. Which isn’t true, but not necessarily way of base.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Also, Juan Pierre isn’t even a free agent.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I might have made up the free agency part… I believe he said I just don’t want the Giants to get anyone.
Again, not horribly un-true. Until there’s a smarter GM than Sabean, I don’t want the Giants to overpay (cash or player-wise) for anyone!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
GRANT YOU DAMN BETTER RETURN SABEAN’S CALLS!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 PM PST reply actions
Scott Podsednik would be an itchy sweater made out of possum fur, but you knew that.
So incredibly true.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
Well I actually thought he would be more like a hedge hog sweater.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
More like road killed possum. Hedgehog just makes me think of Ron Jermey and I would rather not at this point.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hedgehog is a Ron Jeremy nickname.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Ah.
I find it funny that the caption on the main picture says “Positive Image Award.”
FREE BUSTER POSEY
lol, I had not noticed!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Please don’t tell me you dad has a very hairy back as well.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I'd ask, but...nahhh.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Porcupine sweater
I think it has to be porcupine….like Pryzinski deal (which I decried at the time-I told everyone I talked baseball with that Nathan should be the next closer-before the deal went down AND I ranted about it when it did go down….thought Torrealba should have been the #1 catcher at that point anyway).
Dear Santa Claus;
Please increase The Sabean’s Booze, Blow and Broads Fund so he can stay comtose and out of his office tell April. Thank you much and i promise I will bea better boy if i get this gift.
- daveinexile
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Howabout Santa just cutting out the middleman and sending the booze, blow, and broads directly to the lunatic fringe. This way we’re distracted while Pods ranges the outfield.
I'm up... everyone move in!
by NastySlurve on Dec 15, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Because I can get thsoe things…sometimes.. but not a world series ring!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Santa can just run Sabean over with his sleigh…
by crazedcrustacean on Dec 15, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like the basis for a song
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Sabes makes deal with cat!
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
by scout6 on Dec 15, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL GIANTS
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Yankees don’t want Bay either
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions
OT: Selig to Chair New Committee on Baseball Changes
14 person committee to possibly shake baseball to its foundation. One last hurrah for Selig to ruin baseball before he leaves?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
- Makes three WC per League
- All playoff games will be played in the AL
- Brewers and Royals will switch leagues.
- Salary Cap of 80 million (Except for Red Sox and Yankees)
- Instant replay only to benefit of Red Sox or Yankees.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
DH in both leagues? Hey, let’s sign Johnny Damon to a four-year deal, just in case!
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
I'm not a DH fan
But if they want to standardize the leagues, they should just adopt a rule where no player can accumulate more than 100 ABs as a DH in both leagues or something.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
HAHA…like MLBPA would allow that!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
You guys see the thing about the NFL’s lawsuit and how they’re lobbying to be designated a “single entity”? Now that’s scary.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Not a single rep from the Giants on that committee.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 15, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t like how some of the arrows are pointing up
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions
The thing that worries me the most, well actually, it worries me all the time about the Giants org, is that a bumbling move WILL happen no matter what. Whether it be by attaining shitty FA’s just for the sake they are there, or we give away Bumgarner for Russell Branyan or something.
The waiting around part is killing me about Sabes. I’m picturing him in the basement of AT&T Park on his laptop, getting a kick of making the lunatic fringe sweat, while chit chatting with Jermaine Dye’s agent.
Someone send Theo Epstein a memo that it is okay to sit on your hands.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 12:49 PM PST reply actions
Holliday at this point is a pipe dream
He already has a nice offer from STL and I don’t think SF will even match it much less top it, let’s just enjoy DeRosa and his bangin’ wife.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 15, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah
I read somewhere the players (or maybe some random voters) voted that he has one of the hottest wives in baseball. Couple that with Pods’ wives, I don’t see why I’ll even watch Timmy pitch while I’m in her the lower boxes.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 15, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I’d like some bobble head giveaway that night.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 15, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
I’m guessing the head stays still and something else bobbles
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
You know how politicians and/or Tiger Woods usually drop some bombshell announcement late on a Friday afternoon or right before a holiday in an attempt to blunt criticical reaction to said announcement’s?
I’m calling it right now that Sabes signs Pods or LaRoche or someone even more horrifying late on December 24th, forcing the McCoven to spend Christmas Day creating angry, invective-filled Fanposts.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
Well there is that Madison for GMjr trade he could pull off Dec 24th….
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Wait… Did I just read that you’re saying trading Madison for Gary Matthews Jr. would be buying low on GMjr? And he’d be stupid not to do that? I can’t help but feel like that’s not what you meant, or you must have meant it sarcastically.
Did I just fall in the chasm?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I like how the sarchasm has fundamentally changed the real spelling of the word for some people.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t like it!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Misspelling is sooo 90’s.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 15, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
In Iowa City we used to call these “Ejaculate and Evacuate.” You know, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
That’s where I know this from. I saw a couple of these in Anamosa, IA this year.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 15, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
There used to be one in Dundee in Omaha, but now it’s a Philip’s. I miss it, even if I always felt really dirty buying booze there.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
It’s much worse to have a broke orgasm-o-meter.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Is that something that helps you figure out if someone your with is having a real or fake orgasm? Because ignorance could be a good thing.
"It's too late now."
It lets you know when you’re having one.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
I would trade Mad Bum for Smoak
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 15, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions
This is what I responded with
And in a New York minute (no offense, Mark).
But as to Grant’s larger question: yes, this is the time of year I cringe whenever I hear a sports reporter say “A big trade in Major League Baseball today…..” or “Another free agent has come to terms with a new team…” I am desperately hoping that daveinexhile gets his wish, and that Sabean remains comatose this off-season. That would accomplish two things: (1) avoid the inevitable patented stupid free agent signing AND the likely head-scratching trade, and (2) perhaps get Billy Bowtie to wonder what it is that Sabean actually does, and could somebody maybe do it better?
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo.
Just do something already Brian
Go ahead and sign that overpriced FA hitter, either you’ll get props if he does well in 2010 or we’ll cry about it all season long and start looking for the next overpriced FA come next December.
I actually want to see him sign a LF first, I would rather watch Ishikawa at 1B with his slick glove but poor plate discipline rather than Velez in LF with his not so slick glove and poor plate discipline. Oh and start Posey!
Win the inning.
Ishikawa’s plate discipline isn’t that bad. He walks about 8% of the time, basically average. The problem is his horrible contact skills that lead to a high K rate.
I don't know
8% is below average for a position player, and his O-Swing rate is around 28% (average is 24%). I’d say he’s below average. But obviously it’s not his biggest problem.
I was promised lasagna.
The O-Swing rate is only a little high. The big problem is that he only makes contact with 45% of those pitches.
BTW, where do you find averages for O-Swing, Z-Swing, etc?
looks neither gritty nor gamer… Bays not heading here for sure….
I'm up... everyone move in!
by NastySlurve on Dec 15, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
GIVE IN TO TEH GAY SF BAY-BEE
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
"Did you shit in my hat again?"
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OT: Continuing from last week, just saw this one.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
red sox
i’m terrified that epstein is going to give boros the finger about beltre, and sign n. johnson to play first.
Sox are targeting Adrian Gozalez
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Memo to Theo:
Take Matt Kemp too while you’re at it, add a little bit of Justin Upton plus a side of Troy Tulowitski.
[evil laugh]
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 15, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
I want him.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
If I know Theo Epstein
He will sign Bay or Holliday, have Cameron back up a broken JD Drew, and trade Jeremy Hermida for a new gorilla suit
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Why did the Phils get rid of Lee?
plz, someone ’splain that one to me!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
He wants too much money
…and I hear he’s up for FA after next year.
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo.
Cause they got Halladay on a three year extension and could not afford to keep him and Lee. Plus they needed some prospects back after clearing it out for Lee last year and Halladay.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Also
Halladay is a better pitcher. It’s been close the last couple years, but Halladay has had more WAR every season since Lee came up.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
And like I sadi before, I hate this argument, he has face the Yankees and Red Sox’s about 20 times in the last two years. Cliff Lee only faced them 5 times.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Err, doesn’t that strengthen the argument that Halladay is a better pitcher?
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I think it annoys him that it's true
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I hate the argument that he pitches in the NL East. But it does count.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Did it sound like I was disagreeing with you?
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
If you had said, “I hate this argument, BUT he has…” I would’ve gotten it.
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True.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
On the other hand...
That means he faced the Orioles 18 times a year too.
by crazedcrustacean on Dec 15, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
This too.
I am glad though. Lee destroyed the Giants whenever they played the Phils. Not saying against Halladay they will fare better. But I will take the unknown chance.
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Halladay’s one of my favorite non-Giants, so getting to see him face the Giants will be both cool and painful.
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This is completely anecdotal and I have no evidence
But I always felt like last year we did better against Aces than we should have, and worse against mediocre pitchers than we should have.
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Brandon Backe in 2008.
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lol
backe…. i’m suprised sabes hasn’t traded for for the giant killer yet, ala mark portugal.
With no stats to back it up, I completely agree with you. We did good against Aces, but the no. 5 pitchers we faced all looked like Sandy Koufax.
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I actually looked it up for a post I never got together. They did slightly worse against the starters with top-20 ERAs, but not as much as one should expect.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think that is the key. What we are remembering is the difference between what we expected from them going into the game and what we got in the game. When facing aces we got much more than we expected (probably b/c we expect a no hit shut out) and when facing 4/5 guys we fared much worse (probably b/c we were expect 3 runs).
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
There have also been times when the two things – shut down by a mediocre guy, hit an ace well – happened back to back. This year, as I recall, the Giants had a series with the Mets where they hit Johan Santana fairly hard but barely scored a run the rest of the series.
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We had a lot of threads here, after a series against a team ace and then two journeyman, where the posts started “If you had told me that we’d score [x} runs against [ace] and be held to [-x hits] against [AAA-emergency callup starter]….”
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It seemed like pitchers hit us really well last year, but I have no idea whether that’s true.
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Damn Gallardo.
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Damn Zambrano.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I was at that game. :(
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I was at that game with a bunch of friends.
When Gallardo stepped up to the plate, one of my friends said, “If he hits a home run here, we all punch Keefer in the face.”
Needless to say, my friend Keefer got punched in the face. A lot.
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I was at that game
and I punched your friend Keefer in the face as well, even though I had never met him before.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
So THAT’S why I punched that guy in the face.
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How can I get in on this? punching my dog in the face is getting kind of old.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I heard that they were on the same FA timescale, so it sounds like the Phils wrapped up some early negotiating. Even though I thought Lee was phenomenal for the Phils, they appear to have a shrewd GM.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Halladay at only three YEARS! Thats a good deal. Plus Halladay>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lee.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t they work out a trade with Oakland to get Wallace to give to Toronto? They probably could have kept Taylor if they had.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants equivalent of this trade, from the phillies perspective
Tim Lincecum and Madison Bumgarner and Nick Noonan for Zach Greinke and some moderately inspiriting relief prospect and a couple other dudes.
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yeah
phillies blog people are like WTF? they gave way too much in prospects + lee
Umm…no
- Phillies definetly upgrade
- Giants would downgrade
- Phillies have a Dominic Brown to their Taylor. Giants have nothing to their Madison Bumgarner.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
If Lincecum were a free agent for next year, Greinke were signed for four years, and the Giants were already loaded offensively, you might do something like that, though.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
You Do Not Understand The Impact Of Lincecum's Impending $384 Billion Arbitration Result
The Giants must ship him now.
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by jcb9 on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Also
Grant, is it just me or are you participating in the comments more often lately?
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Llama man must be tending to his llamas.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know. Not intentionally, or anything.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
He is taking a break out of his high stakes world of fast cars and faster women to mingle with the common folk.
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I've always thought his posts were like tossing chum into the water
…and we sharks go into a feeding frenzy each time. Grant joining the conversation is akin to him eating his own entrails
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Well, that is a nice change from Grant actually eating his own entrails.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 15, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Less sexy, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
The burger and the smokes are gone
but the bottle rages on.
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
And where has your boss been? I miss him.
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I brought this up in an earlier thread, and Grant told me to shut up. I cried myself to sleep that night.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
He’s been telling a lot of people to shut up lately. I think it’s really getting to him that we like his boss better than we like him.
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I think he’s also irritated by all the Alex Smith haters.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
You know, I really do hate those people.
“I don’t care that Steve Young, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, Bob Griese, and Warren Moon were all Hall-of-Fame quarterbacks who didn’t amount to anything when they were 25. All quarterbacks are either good before they’re 25, or they’re not, except for the lengthy list of quarterbacks who needed time to develop. Why is that so hard to understand? Obviously, Smith is a bust, and last night’s poor performance proves it.
NAAAAATE DAVIS!"
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
I think Smith is no great shakes
but he has earned himself the starting job for 2010 – with the same HC and OC.
Niners have plenty of other drafting issues to worry about. First OL – then QB.
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Different era Grant.
Jim Kelly was pretty damn good in the USFL and was good right when he joined the Bills in ‘86. Young also had a little success (not nearly as much as Kelly) in the USFL, and then was unfortunate to play for the Bucs for 2 years, one of the worst if not the worst team for most of that decade. He showed improvement in his 2nd year though, but they decided to go with Vinny Testaverde in 87, who won a Heisman and had prototypical size and arm strength. Guys like Fouts, Griese and Bradshaw had to deal with very different rules were most teams ran the ball a lot and often threw the ball 30 to 50 yards downfield on most pass plays, which weren’t exactly the most successful plays.
The problem with Smith is that he doesn’t have the talent to put a team on his back and lead them with his arm in any given game. He’s the best they have right now but by no means should he be their long-term future. Even some of those guys you mentioned or others like to mention showed flashes of elite ability even during their inconsistent struggles.
So if you watched Dan Fouts until he was Smith’s age, 25, and you watched him put up a 10-28 record as a starter, with far, far more interceptions than TDs, you would have wrote:
Fouts has the talent to put a team on his back and lead them with his arm in any given game.
I sincerely doubt it. Quarterbacks rarely have a nice, measurable progression that’s independent of team context, and I don’t think that’s changed across eras. All of the QBs I listed had losing records their first two or three years as starters, and none of them performed measurably above their team record, at least from what I gather.
I’m not saying Smith will be a Pro Bowler or Hall of Famer, but I don’t have patience for the people who are totally discounting his good play this season and focusing on his bad play. He has arm strength. He has athleticism and some running skillz. All he needs is better decision-making (which I expect) and better accuracy on short- and mid-range passes (which I’m hoping for, even if I can’t reasonably expect it).
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
he’s played what… 6 games??? i’m not sure, since taking over? these are the first games he’s played in the last 2 years… RELAX, i agree, he’s getting better, but the decision making has to get a little better, since yesterday was OK, he made good passes, but in the first series he looked a little off, but hey, i’ll take his performance, he can build off it
Fouts is a bad example to use. The Chargers were pretty terrible when he came on the scene and this is a guy who flourished once the NFL changed it’s rules that opened up the passing game in 1978. Even by age 25, Fouts had improved to the point that he was an above average QB. Of course, Bill Walsh was his offensive coordinator that year and is credited with getting Fouts career on track. After that he became an All-Pro and a HOF QB.
Steve Young had the same opportunity to receive some of the best coaching for his position that anyone could get. And he was able to become a great player because of it.
Smith has played a lot better this year but when he does make mistakes they’re the same ones he’s made all along. He stares down his first read on a play and makes ill-advised throws that end up getting picked off or knocked down. His arm strength is average, his accuracy and ball placement is often poor, mostly due to his mediocre mechanics and footwork which leave him throwing balls that sail high and off-target. Last night for instance he threw a lot of poorly thrown passes and wasn’t making his progressions very well and instead staring guys down which allowed Adrian Wilson to read his eyes and make multiple great plays on the ball throughout the game. Given his talent level (which is average) I just don’t think the Niners should be happy with him going forward.
He’s not a player who can thread the needle consistently. He’s not a guy like Drew Brees or Peyton Manning who if you need them to can throw 40 times a game and win the majority of the time. He’s not even in Aaron Rodgers or Phillip Rivers level in that regard. Rivers for example doesn’t have a strong arm but he has superior accuracy. Often in Smith’s best statistical performances the team doesn’t even win. The good or great QB’s that’s usually not the case.
Now again Smith is clearly the guy to stay with currently. Shaun Hill is not that guy, Nate Davis is not ready to play, and nobody in this upcoming draft is going to be an answer, and there also is not anyone they can really trade or sign that’s going to be much better. One of the biggest things they can do is to get a more experienced QB coach or coordinator that can further the implementation of this spread scheme that Smith is comfortable in. I’m not sure Jimmy Raye is really the guy to do that, but he’s not going anywhere. Maybe they can call up Dick Vermeil to work with him on the side or something, he lives up in Napa making wine and he coached guys like Warner and Trent Green and worked with some of the best coaches in the history of the NFL like George Allen, Bill Walsh, and Sid Gillman.
One of the biggest things they can do is to get a more experienced QB coach or coordinator that can further the implementation of this spread scheme that Smith is comfortable in
no. nonononononononononononooooooooooooo they don’t. They need to stick with the exact guys they have now, because he’s playing better than he ever has, and for once he needs to have the same coaching staff for 2 straight years. WHAT A CONCEPT. Raye has come a loooong way since the beginning of the year, and it’s to the point where it would not be a mistake at all to let him stay on.
Mike Johnson is a GREAT QB coach, and he is the reason Smith is playing so much better. Smith isn’t going to ditch all of his bad habits in one year, but he’s come a LOOONG way, and Johnson is the reason. They don’t need “a more experienced QB coach”. He’s great, we should just hope he doesn’t get stolen away in the offseason.
He’s not a guy like Drew Brees or Peyton Manning who if you need them to can throw 40 times a game and win the majority of the time. He’s not even in Aaron Rodgers or Phillip Rivers level in that regard. Rivers for example doesn’t have a strong arm but he has superior accuracy.
Oh please. “He’s not yet one of the best quarterbacks in the league at age 25”- there’s a great argument for you. Compare Smith’s career path to each of those guys. For one thing, they’re all quite a bit older than Smith. Rodgers isn’t, but he got to sit and watch a functional offense for 3 years.
Even if Smith doesn’t make it to that level (and there’s no way you can say he won’t at this point in his career), he’s still “good enough”, especially considering the weapons this offense has. He’s played 7 weeks of meaningful football in the last 2 years. Considering that fact, he’s done a LOT better than anyone could have hoped.
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I think we disagree on:
a) Smith’s arm strength. I think it’s above-average
b) That Fouts and Young being on horrible teams counts as extenuating circumstances, while Smith’s descent into the underworld isn’t a factor
I totally agree on Smith’s accuracy, and I wish I could write that I know he’s going to figure it out. But maybe he’s just the Russ Ortiz of QBs. At least we agree that he should get the snaps for the next year or so.
Often in Smith’s best statistical performances the team doesn’t even win. The good or great QB’s that’s usually not the case.
Come on. So when Smith moves the ball, the Niners lose? That is some weird ass correlation/causation going on. He needs to stop calling reverses on punt returns, and he needs to stop Frank Gore from fumbling. That’s what good or great QBs do.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 16, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
This is like the idiots who said Barry's HR's didn't help the Giants.
"…this thing which tells time."
One other thing to keep in mind when looking at Smith’s career stats. He shouldn’t have even played after game 3 in 2007, but Nolan shamed him into it. Those numbers should be attributed to the “sore armed” Smith.
He may not ever be an Pro Bowl QB, but I think he’s shown he’s an NFL QB (unlike the guy on the other side of the bay where the jury is still out)
Jet
The problem with Smith is that he doesn’t have the talent to put a team on his back and lead them with his arm in any given game.
What does this even mean?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
lol still hating alex smith
anyone who can do that with a straight face after this year is a fucking moron (note to mods: this is NOT, I repeat NOOOT addressed to any individual person). He’s proven that he’s good enough to play in the NFL. Not sure what more you want from a guy after missing 2 years AND UNDERGOING TWO FUCKING SURGERIES ON HIS THROWING ARM.
He’s been awesome.
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by bondslegend on Dec 15, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
regurgitating GRM
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hallday isn't signed for four years yet, the Phillies have to do it.
I don’t like the trade. Lee is younger. Why not just hold onto your prospects and sign Lee when he becomes an FA?
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
15 months younger, and less success.
FA doesn’t guarantee you a top 5 pitcher, and at a discount. Halladay would have gotten 7+ at 22+ a year me thinks, if he stayed healthy.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Also the word is that Lee was going to want big free agent type money to stay there. Probably a long term deal. Halladay only is doing a 3 year extension. Gives the Phils more flexibility down the road then a 6 year contract for Lee.
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And the trade won’t happen w/o a extension.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
I’m guessing that Lee is asking for Zito money, so when the Phillies were sniffing around for a Halladay deal, they asked what he’d want. I have no idea why Halladay would leave a guaranteed $50M on the table, having Halladay at 4/100 beats Lee at 5/120, especially when you aren’t sure that you’re going to be the one giving Lee that money.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Lee would be type A without a doubt though, so don’t forget that the phillies are also giving up two wonderful draft picks.
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Draft picks are overrated.
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Incidentally
Anyone have an ESPN insider? I want to know why Keith Law says the phillies lost this trade:
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
Yeah
I agree with law wholeheartedly:
They swap one ace for a very slightly better ace in Roy Halladay, whose value over Lee may be as much in his stronger track record as in pitching ability. The price they pay for this small improvement is a major dent in their farm system, trading a superior package of prospects to Toronto for the three players they landed from Seattle in the exchange for Lee. I’m not sure why the Phillies — who were the favorites to win the NL East in 2010 before this move — were motivated to make the trade; yes, they can sign Halladay to an extension and couldn’t sign Lee, but that’s independent of the deals used to obtain one pitcher and trade the other. They might be half a win better in 2010, a whole win at most, but deleted a lot of value from what was a solid farm system before they made the moves.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
If they indeed are trading Drabek in the deal to Toronto then it’s not as good. If Happ is going then I think they did just fine because they got to keep Drabek and Brown, but it sounds like Drabek is as good as gone.
Gillies is a pretty good get for the Phils in the Lee deal, but not sure about the other two guys. Especially Aumont who was moved to a relief role.
I think the key here is that the Phils have their window only for another 2-3 years at best, it’s probably really only for another year to be a legit WS contender. I’m not sure I agree with their move, but if they felt the need to have an elite pitcher locked up and Lee wants the big bucks then they did the right thing to get something for him.
Their window of suck afterward definitely just expanded
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
B-A just recently ranked the Phillies as the #4 farm system in baseball
I wonder what it would be now.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
Halladay’s pitched twice as many innings over his career, I would be worried you’re getting a Kevin Garnett type who is good but has a lot of mileage. Lee looked shut down in the playoffs, what more can a team want?
If Halladay could get on a team that will make it to the playoffs, I think he would produce the same results.
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Maybe this is why he was so eager to go to Philly. They are so “in this thing” for awhile.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
The M’s are too now though.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
True, but Halladay had a no trade clause and maybe the M’s weren’t offering enough of what Toronto wanted?
Where they even in the bidding for Halladay?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I wasn’t trying to imply Hallady was ever looking at the M’s or vice versa. Just throwin’ shit out there.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I know, I was actually asking if he was.
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if it was me, i’d think that i’d get better numbers in a contract year if i were pitching in a pitcher’s park like Safeco rather than the bandbox of Philly
Cliff Lee was not scared of that park. That’s why I like the M’s in this deal. He’s a good SP.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
He’s agoodborderline unhittable SP.
fixed.
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He seems to be entering his prime, even if it's a little late
Which may end up being a difference between him and Halladay, who’s probably been at his prime for a whiel.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Halladay won’t be pitching in a contract year for quite some time.
I think it really just comes down to Halladay being signable and the Phillies gave up some minor league value for the certainly having an ace for the next four years.
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Halladay didn’t want to go to any teams that train in Arizona during the Spring. And the M’s probably had less to offer in a trade compared to the Phillies.
Your latter point is what I was thinking more of. Philly had the prospects to get it done. The players the M’s gave to the Phils are/were not as good as the ones they gave up for Halladay.
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See?
Halladay ate at Filiberto’s.
I warned you…
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
and don’t discount the allure of playing in the Senior Circuit
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
If they had kept them both, they could have locked up the division by the all star break, then flipped Lee for a better return.
Probably not. But still.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Yeah that looks like a terrible deal for the Phils
Aumont and Gillies for Lee? You think they could’ve gotten a better deal if they waited
“No move” is getter than “move just for the sake of a move.” If it’s not something that will dramatically improve the team over the next few years, then march into the season with what you’ve got and hope for the best. The wrong moves do nothing but hurt the team in the short and long term.
Plus, I’d like to see what some of our psuedo-prospects can do with regular play time before dismissing them for more expensive versions of the same players.
But we’re all preaching to the choir…
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Dec 15, 2009 1:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
*better
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Dec 15, 2009 1:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hank mofo'in Blalock
Is my biggest fear.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions
Oh please i can do better than that. Try this for $16M a year for the next 4 years and prospects!!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Funny. If they ate some of the contract I’d actually take him.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
I’d do it for less than that. He’s not bad.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Were do you play him? 1st base or Dh realy seem to only options at this point in his carrer.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Trade him for rowand
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
put him at SS!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
1B.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
So he goes from almost a 4 WAR player to almost a 2.5 WAR player. The is say .75- 1 WAR improvemnt of Ishikawa. Figure 1 WAR currently averages $4-$5M. Take out out ever prospects you send back over.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Crystal ball?
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Fangraphs had Young’s WAR ranging from 2.2 -3.9 the last 5 seasons. For the sake of discussion let us say does the 3.9 he did last year. Most of Young’s time last year was at 3rd so subtract the 1.5 WAR moveing him from 3rd to 1st creates. That leaves 2.5 WAR. Subtract Ishakawa’s .8 WAR (since he is the current in house first base place holder) that leaves about 1.75 WAR. Would also have to subtract the likely WAR of whomever is sent over. Considering this is a best case on Young’s rate of decline this could be less than a 1 WAR improvement very quickly.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Ah fangraphs, they have the crystal ball.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
lol. They have the data.
I stayed away from projections here, if you had not noticed, I just figured he would do as well has he did last year.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
He won’t be a Giant anyway. So screw it.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
GG WINNER!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
OMG. I just read a CNN headline as “Teacher Cuts Child Brains In Class”
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
That’s what the high schoolers are calling studying these days.
“Goin’ to the library, dad. Goin’ to cut brains with Madison.”
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
No it was braids. but I read brains.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
I’m 21 and still can’t figure it out, alot of the kids that come up with these terms are getting pretty dumb… i mean, LOL, and ROFL, and all that shit came up when i was a senior in high school, and i just said what the fuck are a you talking about… like bff or something like that, i have no idea what that means
LOL has been around way longer than that.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
Yeah, LOL and ROFL were in use when I was first on the Internet, circa 1991.
Another acronym that was very common then that you don’t see so much anymore: IMHO. I guess people aren’t as humble anymore.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
guess nobody used it where i grew up in the east bay, but i never really heard about it until late in high school. I would rather explain it than use acronyms
the internetz was slow in coming to the east bay
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Lucky!
Down in Oakland, we’re still waiting on the local rollout of those new high-speed 2400 BAUD modems.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Every generation thinks they’re new and original…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 15, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Or honest.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think they just tend to use other people’s opinions now.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Yeah. I agree.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I like saying IMF
(in my fact)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
IN YOUR FACE
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
I liked to use ATM for at the moment, until i realized whatelse it could mean
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
And now you like using it for Ass to Mouth.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS! (wait, does that make sense?)
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
a mistake list without Carlos Delgado or Miggy Tejada? Really?
so you’re saying joe crede isn’t an option?
Delgado wouldn’t be horrible.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Delgado would be fine if he can be had for a reasonable one-year deal. He’s still a really good hitter.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
If his names not spelled BLALOCK, I think I’d be OK with that.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
retarded dnw chasm
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Is he still hurt? I thought he was healthy by now. If he’s just going to be hurt then of course you don’t want to do that.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That shouldn’t an issue at 1st.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Weren’t people shooting for 130-ish outa NJ?
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Nick Johnson is different story.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Why? 130 outa NJ or Delgado. Why so different?
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
B/C sense becoming the starter Delgado has 2 years of sub 130 games.
NJ? He has 4 (less years and 2 years at 131 and 133 games)
I think expecting 130 games from Delgado is much more resonable.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
You are missing the point. I thought we were assuming both guys get 130. Obviously, if this shit ain’t hypothetical, nothing is.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
have you seen renteria’s defense? i would think there’s a lot of bending his knees on poor throws and strains when he jumps and lunges at the other ones
Renteria has the best arm ever at SS.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
BEST SHAPE OF HIS CAREER!
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
NOT INJURED!
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Y'know who really did have the best arm ever at SS?
Shawon Dunston. It was like his one identifiable skill.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Gary Templeton’s arm was pretty impressive, too
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Yeah, I don’t really remember if he had accuracy. I just remember the CANNON.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He did not have an accurate arm. At all. He definitely benefited by playing much of his career with Grace and Snow playing first. Those two probably saved him a hundred errors during his career.
He played almost no shortstop with J.T. Snow at first. His year as our starting shortstop was 1995, so he was throwing to Mark Carreon, J.R. Phillips, Steve Scarsone, etc.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
HATE ALL OF YOU
for mentioning Sha Juan.
Sucked real bad going to PBP a few times and seeing Sha Juan out there in LF instead of Bonds.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Dec 15, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Peter Happy.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
This offseason sucks
The worst thing is we went from rumors about marginal players (Pods, Dye) to no absolutely no rumors at all. This scares me most of all.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions
You want more PODS and Dye?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
If only so we could "OMG FREAK OUT." Now all we do is comment about other teams' trades.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Dec 15, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
speaking of other teams
The Cardinels are the favorites to sign Holiday, which may affect the Giants. Since, they would probably want to shed Ryan Ludwick’s salery if they can in fact resign Holiday. I wouldn’t give up a lot for Ludwick, but I think he’s at least a little better then the outfielders the Giants have been rumored to have interest in.
I could see Bowker and a couple low level pitching prospects getting him.(although Bowker may be just as good as him if given a chance, but that won’t happen)
by NateEveryday on Dec 15, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I’d take a Ludwick.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
So would I
But it’s never gonna happen, even if the Giants sign some shitty leadoff hitter like Podsednick, Bochy would still play Velez and Torres over Bowker and Schierholtz
by NateEveryday on Dec 15, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
ludwick was putting up a molina like batting average hitting behind pujols until holliday arrived to bump him back to the 5 hole.
Fun trivia
Who was the Cardinals’ opening day cleanup hitter in 2009?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That team isn’t going to make the playoffs.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Speak for yourself
I posted animal porn.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Shift+A
Still nothing? :(
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
You'd think with all the double switches this team does
We could pull off a three way trade
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
BOCHY FOR GM!
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
if that doesn't drive them into bankruptcy and liquidation
nothing will. Chevy Nova returns!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh. I guess the only way this team could be worse is if Bochy was the manager AND GM.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
The mere thought of Bochy as the GM made me throw up a little in my mouth
As dumb, stubburn, and stupid as Sabean is, particularly judging offensive talent, Bochy would undoubtedly assemble the worst offensive team in modern history.
Bochy dream lineup
1Velez
2Torres
3Winn
4molina
5Castillo
6Castilla
7Klesko
8Renteria
by NateEveryday on Dec 15, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Giles is available no? Boch.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Meanwhile...
Kevin Goldstein’s Top 20 Players for the Next Decade
1 Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins
2 Justin Upton, OF, D-backs
3 Joe Mauer, C, Twins
4 Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants
5 Zack Greinke, RHP, Royals
6 Evan Longoria, 3B, Rays
7 Ryan Braun, OF, Brewers
8 Stephen Strasburg, RHP, Nationals
9 Felix Hernandez, RHP, Mariners
10 Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals
11 Prince Fielder, 1B, Brewers
12 Jon Lester, LHP, Red Sox
13 Jason Heyward, OF, Braves
14 Adam Jones, CF, Orioles
15 Brett Anderson, LHP, A’s
16 Andrew McCutchen, OF, Pirates
17 Tommy Hanson, RHP, Braves
18 Rick Porcello, RHP, Tigers.
19 Matt Kemp, OF, Dodgers
20 David Wright, 3B, Mets
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
McCutchen over Kemp?
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
yep
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Easily.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Easy? Wow, I haven’t seen him as much as Kemp, but I’ll watch more closey next year now. That’s impressive.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
He has a truckload of potential
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
Kemps got a boatload of proven.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
McCutchen is better.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Fanggraph WAR
McCutchen 3.4 (106 G)
Kemp 5.0 (155 G)
In 155 Games McCutchen would have put up 4.97 WAR!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
He hit 3, yes 3, homeruns in his 51st game.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Dingerzzzzz@!!!!
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Or Chris Sabo?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Decker.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Gina Torres was on that show. Hercules. Not Andromeda. I think she wasn’t a regular, though.
She was also on Xena. Same role, if I’m not mistaken.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Kevin Maas.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
4. Tim Lincecum, RHP, San Francisco Giants
2010 Birthday: 26 on June 15
The winner of back-to-back Cy Young Awards, Lincecum’s 2009 was even better than his 2008, with both his hit and walk rates decreasing appreciably. Beyond being the best pitcher in baseball, he also is arguably the one whose health can be counted on the most, as he seems like that one-in-a-decade guy to whom innings and pitch counts just don’t matter. By the end of the decade, he’ll be pushing 3,000 career strikeouts — or more likely, he’ll already be there.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I bet 12 off them run into a career buzz saw by 2013.
I am also predicting Starasburg will become the non-Yankee Joba.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Posey baby
He’s perfectly positioned to dominate this decade.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
Needs moar Buster.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
No Panda?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I like him, but he wouldn’t be in the top 20 of the next decade.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I would think he has a better chance then Fielder.
/ shrugs
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
BODY BIAS!
Yeah, I have a lot of issues with this is list. Is Goldstein a moron anyway? or is that someone else from BP?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
It just donned on me Cabrera is not on that list either. I am not sure how he can put Fielder on there and leave Cabrera off.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Mo Vaughn effect potential there as well.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
He could.
I forgot he is going on 27. He has already hada carrer the is good enough to get a H.O.F vote or two. Geezz.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Oh he can hit.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Um dude is like 28.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
He's my age
So he’s about to turn 30.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Try 30
10. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals
2010 Birthday: 30 on Jan. 16
Even conservatively, Pujols is going to be pushing 3,500 hits and 700 home runs in 10 years. He shows no signs of slowing down, and by the middle of the decade, we should get some indication of whether his listed age is as accurate as he maintains it is.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
regardless he will dominate this decade like bonds did this decade even though he only played like 6 seasons.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
BLB is just nuts.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
/obligatory “DOMINICAN PLAYERS LIE ABOUT THEIR AGE” comment
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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That’s what Goldstein said. ^^
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Average players skille will decrease, yes. Great players? There skills will stay about even I think.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
check out Hank Aaron age 37-39:
Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
1971 37 ATL NL 139 573 495 47 118 71 58 .327 .410 .669 1.079 194
1972 38 ATL NL 129 544 449 34 77 92 55 .265 .390 .514 .904 147
1973 39 ATL NL 120 465 392 40 96 68 51 .301 .402 .643 1.045 177
23 Seasons 3298 13940 12364 755 2297 1402 1383 .305 .374 .555 .928 155
G PA AB HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 12/15/2009.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
roids
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Fielder #11, Matt Cain not on the list.
Fielder #11, Matt Cain not on the list.
Need I say more?
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Fielder Mo Vaughns by mid-decade, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
+1
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Cain didn’t even make his reserve list:
Just missed (in alphabetical order): Pedro Alvarez, Pirates; Elvis Andrus, Rangers; Gordon Beckham, White Sox; Miguel Cabrera, Tigers; Robinson Cano, Yankees; Alcides Escobar, Brewes; Neftali Feliz, Rangers; Yovani Gallardo, Brewers; Bryce Harper, College of Southern Nevada; Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers; Mat Latos, Padres; Jesus Montero, Yankees; David Price, Rays; Anthony Ranaudo, Louisiana State; Carlos Santana, Indians; Grady Sizemore, Indians; Mike Stanton, Marlins; Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies; Justin Verlander, Tigers; Matt Wieters, Orioles; Ryan Zimmerman, Nationals.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
No Posey on that list either
Wow.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He probably thought it was the guitarist.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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no sandoval either
it’s like he put lincecum up there then forgot to look at the giants roster again. I’d certainly put sandoval over at least some guys on that reserve list… Robinson Cano? David Price?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 15, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
No Panda or Posey there either?
Trash it.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I’d wager the list had nothing to do with it.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not going to quibble with a lot of the players on the list, but Gallardo over Cain is kind of weird. And I’d take Posey over Santana, but that’s not an egregious oversight.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Selections were based on Baseball Prospectus statistical projections such as WARP (wins above replacement player), along with more subjective observations such as scouting reports and general sense of upside. Our focus here is ultimately on decade-long value to a team.
Cain must suck subjectively because his stats at least through 2015…
…are better than Gallardo’s.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
HATERS GONNA HATE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
And eh, it’s only Baseball Prospectus after all.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
MATT CAIN’S XFIP IS TERRIBLE
ONE OF THESE YEARS, HIS ERA IS GOING TO BE AS BAD AS HIS XFIP AND THEN WE’LL SEE WHO’S LAUGHING!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
HAHAHA, HAVE YOU SEEN HIS W-L RECORD??? LOOOSER
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
MODERATELY OUTPERFORMING YOUR EXPECTED ERA MEANS YOU WILL COMPLETELY SUCK IN THE FUTURE
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
OK, I have to do this
xFIP evaluates performance while neutralizing park and defense. Cain’s xFIP suggests that his ERA would go way up if if he moved to a neutral park, and enjoyed an average defense.
Cain is still in AT&T, and still enjoying great defense, probably more than ever. You really can’t say that xFIP was wrong. Well, you can, but it makes no sense.
I was promised lasagna.
Err, isn’t AT&T a neutral park?
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maybe it's neutral overall...
but it probably would help RHP flyball pitchers, right? It would tend to neutralize left handed power hitters a little, no?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 15, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think they must have changed the xFIP formula because when it was THT-only, I remember he had a couple years with xFIPs over 5, but they’re all in the 4.2 to 4.9 range now.
I still tend to think the formula assumes a bit too much (I don’t doubt Cain would give up more HR in a different ballpark, but I don’t think every single pitcher is going to give up HR on exactly 10% of fly balls.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Numbers don’t lie. Ever.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, it’s all about the results in the end. People can argue with the the logic behind FIP all they want, but as long as it’s a better predictor of ERA than ERA itself, what does it matter?
I was promised lasagna.
is xFIP a better predictor of ERA than regular FIP though?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Hard to say
Because of the park thing.
But my point is that what you were saying about HR/FB is true, but could also be said about BABIP, clutchiness, etc., all of which normal FIP regresses.
I was promised lasagna.
It’s true and I do think that FIP and the like are definitely way better predictors than ERA, but I also think it’s lame to say Matt Cain sucks because of his xFIP.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Maybe not here but outside of MCC, sure. For example:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/5/13/874195/matt-cain-2nd-most-overrated
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
That’s not really the same. Though, amusingly, I did just find an article where a guy claims Cain is a 3rd starter because of his FIP (when even a 3.8-3.9 ERA/FIP is more 2nd starter range than 3rd.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Lemme guess, a Yankees fan?
Link, please. :)
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/217879-heres-a-thought-matt-cain-isnt-making-any-progress
When Giants fans evaluate their team, they need to realize Cain, though a good third starter, is actually stretched as a No. 2 behind Tim Lincecum.after showing that his FIP has been between 3.8 and 4 his whole career.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
uh I don't know what happened there
but the first sentence is what he said and the second sentence is my commentary.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I think it’s weird in the comments that one guy keeps saying that Cain is overrated because of W-L record.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Oh and this is from 2007, but obviously 3.8 is a very respectable FIP. Not an ace’s FIP but on the cusp, average-wise, between a #1 and #2 starter.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Nothing, he’s showing that Matt Cain, even if you assume his true talent level to be like his FIP (3.7-3.9) is still a 2nd starter, not a 3rd one. (The article I was talking about said that "Matt Cain was stretched as the Giants #2 starter behind Tim Lincecum.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
If they’re saying he’s a 3rd starter based on FIP, then they would be undervaluing him, wouldn’t they?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Oooohh OK. I thought esseffgeez was saying that this table undervalues Cain, which would be weird. Nevermind.
I was promised lasagna.
Plus
I do think it’s good to remind people of what the acutal numbers look like for 1 vs 2 vs 3 starters, since people seem to get the idea that guys with ERAs over 3.5 are 3rd starters and guys with ERAs over 4 are 4th starters.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, I think people get into thinking that a #1 should have an ERA below 2.5, a #2 should have around 3, a #3 3.5 and so forth, when actually the averages are much higher.
According to THT:
What this says is a pitcher with an ERA between 3.87 and 4.36 over at least 32 starts is on average a #2 starter. The year this analysis was done (2006), Cain’s ERA was 4.15 and he was actually described as your typical #2 starter, compared to Schmidt (a clear #1) and Dontrelle Willis (a fringey #1).
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Can anyone really disagree with what they wrote? Cain got really lucky with his ERA last year, I think everyone agrees about that.
I was promised lasagna.
I did find a Lookout Landing article where he cited the Giants rotation xFIPs (I think from 2007) and said that Tim Lincecum was the only one of the four (Tim, Matt, Lowry, Zito) with a future!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
They were right on Lowry!
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http://www.lookoutlanding.com/story/2007/9/21/175753/906
The Giants have an awesome young rotation. Matt Cain, Noah Lowry, Tim Linecum, and Barry Zito are a combined 100 years old. Their xFIPs, in that order, are 4.69, 5.46, 3.89, and 4.99. None of them throw consistent strikes, and only one of them has shown the ability to miss a lot of bats. San Francisco badly needs a new wave of young talent to sweep away the old crap that Sabean’s been collecting for the past 30 years, but Lincecum’s probably the only guy here with any kind of respectable future ahead of him.Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
ehehe
there’s a guy in the comments who decides to keep Fausto Carmona in his keeper league instead of Lincecum or Zambrano.
Wonder if he regrets that now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Ah, wait, he keeps Fausto instead of Zambrano or Halladay. whoops
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I'd understand the top 20
but how could you leave the Panda off the reserve list? He hit .330/25/90 in his first full season without much lineup protection, I might be biased but I think they are the ones with body bias.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 15, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I will donate my left nut to charity if David Price outplays Matt Cain in the next decade
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 15, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
pretty ballsy
heyward above both kemp and mccutchen
I expect Heyward v. Justin Upton will be the NL MVP debate at least a couple times during the next decade… at least if the Diamondbacks are able to build a reasonably competitive team around Upton, that is.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 15, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think Upton is my new white whale.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Upton is fat?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I think Upton is kinda overrated, though obviously he’s got amazing potential. But Longoria, for example, is still a much better player.
I was promised lasagna.
otoh
Upton is going to be 22 next year, what the hell
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well yeah
But one is a GG 3B and the other is an average corner OF. That’s huge. The way I see it, you have to be really really confident that Upton’s gonna get a whole lot better with the bat (and that Longoria isn’t) in order to take him over Longoria.
I was promised lasagna.
In conclusion
I’d kill to have either of them on the Giants. No, really. Who wants to volunteer?
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
There’s also the fact that Longoria is signed to a ridiculous deal and I don’t think Upton is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
That's something else
But yes. Longoria’s contract makes him the most valuable asset in the majors in my opinion. I would trade every single player in the world for him.
I was promised lasagna.
OMG DAVID WRIGHT FAPFAPFAPFAP
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 15, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
FTFY- after the Committee to Fix Baseball corrects inequities
1 Hanley Ramirez, SS, Yankees
2 Justin Upton, OF, Mets
3 Joe Mauer, C, Red Sox
4 Tim Lincecum, RHP, Cubs
5 Zack Greinke, RHP, Mets
6 Evan Longoria, 3B, Yankees
7 Ryan Braun, OF, Mets
8 Stephen Strasburg, RHP, Cubs
9 Felix Hernandez, RHP, Angels
10 Albert Pujols, 1B, Giants (after 2019)
11 Prince Fielder, 1B, Giants (traded for Cain in 2019 to platoon with Pujols in LF)
12 Jon Lester, LHP, Yankees
13 Jason Heyward, OF, Mets
14 Adam Jones, CF, Yankees
15 Brett Anderson, LHP, Angels
16 Andrew McCutchen, OF, Yankees
17 Tommy Hanson, RHP, Phillies
18 Rick Porcello, RHP, Tigers
19 Matt Kemp, OF, Dodgers
20 David Wright, 3B, Giants (signed 2019)
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Dec 15, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Needs more Posey.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Dec 15, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yes! Glad to have you. The alternative was to write something about how I want John Smoltz on the Giants, and I just didn’t feel like an Acquire Player X post.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Troy Glaus
Why can’t we go after him to play 1st?
Provides more dingerz than Nick Johnson. He also walks about 14% of the time. Which is double that of anyone on the Giants….Provides the same injury concerns that Johnson would too, but is a RH bat instead of a LH one…
I've been against Glaus in the past
But I didn’t make the LH vs. RH connection. I say yes now.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I check mlbtraderumors about every hour, and I have been extremely disappointed that Sabean hasn’t made a stupid move since Saturday. I haven’t been apoplectic in three days!!!
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 15, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions
well, im thinking the opposite. he is going to wait for so long that we will have a choice between the fat kid from sandlot or the bad italian stereotype in the meatlocker from those comcast commercials
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 15, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I heard
that the Red Sox are going after Johnson D:
argh that means Sabeans gonna sign LaRoche if the other (good) option is gone
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Dec 15, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions
source?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Mariners want LaRoche, although I thought the Sox signed Lackey so they could move Buchholz for AdrGon
this more of what I heard on the Boston front
Buchholz & Kelly/Westmoreland for Gonzalez
They also put an 3/$15.5MM offer for Aroldis Chapman
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Johnson talk could be negotiating ploy, I know they got $ in Boston, but i can’t believe they’d pay more money to have Johnson over Gonzalez for the next 3 years
It's good to have a back up plan
For Sabean, it would be great if he had a plan at all
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Step 2
My sources tell me what Sabes second step is:
Step 2-Panic and sign players no one else wants to huge contracts (see Grant’s list)
The Giants are not interested in winning championshipz… they are only interested in fielding a competitive team that competes when there’s competition in a tough division of competition. They want to compete, not win. This is ironic because Sabean tucks tail the moment any team with deeper pockets sprinkles interest dust on a free agent he’s tire-kicking.
HATE THE RED SOX
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Dec 15, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
HATE THE CARDINALS
BOTH CARDINALS
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Dec 15, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
HATE THE PLAYER
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
HATE YOURSELF
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
even our Johnson’s aren’t safe from the yank or the red sox
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Kevin Mitchell never wore a cup
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Neither does Torri Hunter.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Beltre does now.
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Haz balls of steel
Now offering free hugs from Amy G.
Billy Ripken is still a douche bag.
by kbsofaraway08 on Dec 15, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, that guy needs no cup.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Dec 15, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yank
great newspaper, or greatest newspaper?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Completely OT:
I just found out that if you put your cursor on an xkcd comic, a second punchline appears. It’s like finding out that every single Beatles album had a hidden track you’ve never heard!
I was promised lasagna.
Sometimes, the image tag is the best part!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, it's just as well
I don’t see what song could possibly be better than the reprise of Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
On a related note
I bought Rubber Soul for The Beatles Rock Band today. I’ve spent $300+ on this game so far. Sigh.
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Man, I still want Beatles Rock Band so bad.
But I need to sell my Wii first. Anyone want one?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Jr. does.
Kid spends in two temporal directions…at our local Park ‘n’ Swap he bought a Nintendo DS.
I also accelerate past the “Rock Band” aisle when we’re down to E – Fry’s for anything so as to spare us both the agony as he’s definitely digging the Beatles.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
OMG. Now I have to re-read every fucking one of them.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Dr. McNinja has this too.
It’s usually funnier than the comic itself.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
So does Softer Life. But no, I am not bitter that I now have to re-read every XKCD.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
DAMN YOU!!!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 15, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
The Cubs are considering Rick Ankiel, Reed Johnson and Scott Podsednik
reassure me that Sabes went home for the day and isn’t getting into a bidding war tonite
LOL Cubs.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
a little OT
can’t someone make a burrito with a corn tortilla already?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
Why would you want to? Flour tortillas are by far superior.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
too gluey
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
too crumbly
can’t be rolled like flour ones.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Generally speaking, corn tortillas > flour. But for burritos, flour is the way to go.
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not a fan of corn tortilla’s texture for a burrito
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
they do
it’s just that they are deep-fried and called chimichangas or flautas.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Hey, I haven’t made chimichangas in a long time. hmm.
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my wife makes the best flautas ever
you should come have some. Flautas, of course. Not “some”.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
mmm, some
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
OMG I LOVE FLAUTAS
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 15, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
how are you supposed to do it without the tortilla breaking? the mexicans know what they are doing.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 15, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
You steam it first.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Or you fry it for like 30 seconds
Corn tortillas are still more brittle than flour, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
fried foods are bad
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Question
I’m having a debate with a friend about how much better Halladay is than Lee.
I pointed out that Halladay was only ~ .5 WAR better than Lee last year, but he’s arguing that Halladay was much better because he pitched in a tougher division. Is that true of WAR? Can it be depressed by being in a harder division?
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
It can be less depressed if you’d just compliment it once and a while.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe it needs more sunlight.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 15, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Man, I was sure something would have happened while I was out today.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
they be waiting on you, ms. prony
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
nah
Howie has yet to make a bad joke
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
What’s the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
(No telling, Facebook friends!!!)
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Roast beef is more delicious.
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I said no telling!!!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Way to ruin it for everyone.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Roast beef is served on a plate, while pea soup is served in a bowl.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
That’s just a matter of form. It’s not necessarily true.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
If you drop either, roast beef is more salvageable.
Five second rule, adjustable for length of time between carpet shampooings.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve never heard of a pea soup sandwich.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That’s a good idea.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Nothing that you just said is true.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
roast beast is higher on the food chain
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Since both count as food, and since both are the natural predators of nothing… I don’t know about that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, he’s right. Anything that makes its own food (like most plants, including peas) is at the absolute bottom.
I was promised lasagna.
But the peas in pea soup aren’t doing that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Also, there’s ham in any decent split pea soup.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 15, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Anything that makes its own food is at the absolute bottom.
Living in mom’s basement FTW!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
don’t you have a statz for that?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
LTSOLIMB
Likeliness To Score Over Living In Mom’s Basement
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Measures the chick-magnet quality of apartments.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
that would be chick-dependent
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I swear, this is the nerdiest fucking blog community.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
Actually, this blog is about baseball.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I really don’t want to have to go through the xkcd archives just to find out what the alt text for this image was.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
Google search XKCD Jacket.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
FINE NEXT TIME YOU LOOK THROUGH THE WHOLE FUCKING ARCHIVE
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
I MADE IT EASY FOR YOU JUST BE GRATEFUL DAMMIT
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Get the book.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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What's the Difference between Tiger Woods and Santa Claus?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA!
That one always gets me!
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It’s funny because it’s true.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
That’s funny.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
I heard this one on KNBR.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
That’s my answer, by the way.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I read it in Willie Brown’s column…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Santa has enough sense to stop after three Ho’s…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Activity to pick up as Giants exit Indy.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
giants sign ing and chang!
save money on two for one deal
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 15, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions
Wang for the trifecta.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Is the RJ Poll closed yet?
And if so does that mean we get him back?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions
Totally OT but SO MUCH WIN
This appears to be some sort of automated news aggregation page for McC on the NPR website.
Look at the section called “Cast of Characters”, and all the “Related Quotes”.
The internet just doesn’t understand McC.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
by GiantPain on Dec 15, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
WHY NOT TRADE BUMGARNER FOR SOME BANGER STUD?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Good question.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Who is on this list of Bager Studs?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Just your mom.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry. I really have been reading too much XKCD lately.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
MY MOM FOR MADBUM!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Sabes needs to get that done.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Goofus has already had your mom
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 15, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Goofus is my dad
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
He has fathered half of this board.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 15, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
we are all goofus
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Pedro Feliz is my Dad?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I has brothers?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Bagel Stubs?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Stubbs Bagel Sauce?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Stubbs the Zombie?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Stubbs the Zombie Sauce?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Stubbs the Saucy Zombie?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
lolwut?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 15, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
McC: Brian Sabean, Alber Einstein, Ralph Nader, the US Green Party, Cy Young, and the New York Jets
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
Uncle Albert
aaand we’re off…
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
This is amazing, but what is the point of that article? Does it have a thesis or a purpose other than highlighting how awesome we all are? I mean, I’m all for flattery, but I am confused.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
This dude is like Bizarro Grant
The X factor for Sabean is his arbitration quartet. If the Giants work out a long-term, back-loaded deal with Lincecum, freeing up cash in the short-term, they could make a couple of splashes — suddenly, a duo of first baseman Adam LaRoche and outfielder Marlon Byrd might be in play.
(Personally, I’m a big fan of signing former Cal star Xavier Nady, who is recovering from his second Tommy John surgery, to a heavily incentive-laden deal.)
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Tnarg?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Suddenly?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
He couldn’t figure out whether “All of a sudden” or “All of the sudden” was correct, so he went with “Suddenly.”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Either way, I don’t understand how “sudden” is a noun. Stupid, dumb idiom.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Sudden is an adjective, no?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
but the articles a and the precede nouns.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
They can also precede adjectives:
a plump catcher
the slow cleanup hitter
SEE?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
But there’s still a noun being modified, as opposed to “a sudden.”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
There’s a shadow hanging over me.
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All of a/the sudden, I’m not half the man I used to… blooden…?
More proof that “Suddenly” is superior.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Scrambled eggs, scrambled eggs, oh my darling how I love your legs.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Anyone? Anyone?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
She’s got freckles on her BUT she is nice
And when she’s in my arms it’s Paradise
She was born in Hackensack
She’s made a fortune on her career
She’s got freckles on her BUT she is nice.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
From the comments on the side...
every1 but us
SSFmatt – “all of baseball is making move while the giants just sit there and watch teams sign free agents and make big time deals. when are the ownership get off there rich A S S and make a big move to bring in a number 3 4 or 5 hitter. the time is now giants not later. look at the Seattle they are trying to help ichiro singing people and making Cliff Lee there number 1 starter now. GIANTS time to get on the phone and make some deals.”
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Helping Ichiro sing is a worthy goal.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
lol
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvxsM_4GuA
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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And
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEivKMaSSA
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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BOOOOOOOO
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Sabes will sign Vlad
He will then turn to the Lunatic Fringe and with all sincerity say, “There, are you happy now?”
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 15, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions
I keep hearing Dan Uggla’s name in relation to the Giants. I know he is a great hitter, but if you look at his record against the teams that count in the National League West, he is a no-show. He has hit .188 with 27 strikeouts against the Rockies and .192 with 26 strikeouts against the Dodgers. Do the Giants think this would change if he were to join the team?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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.897 OPS against the Diamondbacks
.668 OPS against the Rockies
.603 OPS against the Dodgers
1.054 OPS against the Padres
.573 OPS against the Giants
Why, it’s almost as though there was some kind of SSS flukery going on here.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
1.533 career OPS vs Oakland
this is why they’re looking at him, so we can dominate the interleague series every year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Wait, I fucked that up
.975 OPS against the Giants
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Also, those numbers will be relevant forever, since pitchers always stay with the same team.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
flawless logic
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Strikes out too much against Rockies and Dodgers. DNW.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
OT
My last day on my job, which I’ve been doing for four years, ends in 8 minutes. Dang.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
What have you been working on?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve been working for Legacy.com. Leaving due to a move so my wife can go back to school. I’ve been working remotely for some time now (they’re located in the Chicagoland area), but it wasn’t going to be possible to work from where we’re moving (Florida) because they’re not set up to do business there.
….and I just logged out for the last time. I’m officially unemployed!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
where in florida ?
my wife is from the sarasota area, so i was back visiting here family over thanksgiving.
and good luck with the move…. moving sucks.
Tallahassee. North Florida, closer (geographically and culturally) to southern Georgia than what people think of as Florida.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Go to Savannah and play some Belles, Bourbon and Bullets.
I do declare…
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Did you write one for yourself (jobwise)?
Good luck.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
TIME FOR TIM RATTAY TO SHINE IN THE UFL
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Isn't the UFL season over?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
by Tim LinCyYoung on Dec 15, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
YOU BETTER DAMN WELL TRY
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
by Tim LinCyYoung on Dec 15, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Bottom left? I think the guy in the bottom right is a chick.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
That’s an interesting trophy.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Great trophy for sticking up your ass.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Why mine? That seems rather aggressive of you.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
Given a choice, I’m sure you’d shove it up Grant’s ass.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Well, if the choice was mine or his, yeah. Probably.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions