Now with no Cameron.. POLL: Bay?
by kvdp12 on Dec 15, 2009 10:48 AM PST
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Now with Mike Cameron gone, who alot of people were hoping was going to be the added outfielder (myself included), and other teams like the Angels getting Matsui, the White sox getting Pierre and the Cardinals almost re-adding Holliday, destinations for Jason Bay are dwindling.
I have been full heartedly against signing Bay since the offseason began, but I find myself as each day passes willing to accept it more and more if it were to happen.
So I am curious as to what all of McCoven's opinion is. There are obvious pros and cons with it:
Cons: Alot of the Giants big hitting prospects are outfielders, (Thomas Neal, Roger Kieschnick, Rafael Rodriguez, John Bowker, Nate Schierholtz, Francisco Peguero) who would be blocked for years by big contracts from Bay and Rowand.
We would have less money to sign those listed players long term, along with Linceucm, Cain, Posey, Sandoval, Bumgarner etc.
We would lose our 1st round draft pick.
Pros: Its an obvious offensive upgrade.
Im really wary with going with the 'fuck it all, lets just get a bat already' attitude. Or 'its not my money', because Im not 12 years old, and I know how having your payroll clogged up can hinder building your roster.
But if we were to go out and get Bay this year, and ALSO get Nick Johnson so we then really have a legitimate offense, I think I would try and squint away the other concerns and sit back and enjoy watching a good hitting team for the first time in 6 years. What about you guys and girls?
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PODS please Sabe’s. Bay hates everything S.F.
I would love to get Bay.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions
NO!
I would take Bay over Vlad, Damon, Dye, Pods.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions
Dye’s laying low. Like Sabe’s. They will strike hard real soon.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like it is time to don the protetive cup.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
This polls are silly. Would I like to have Jason Bay on the Giants? Sure. Would I like to have Jason Bay on the Giants for 6 years at $95 million? No. Without any parameters on the contract, this poll is worthless.
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 15, 2009 10:59 AM PST reply actions
Without any parameters on the contract, this poll is worthless daveinexile.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve pretty pro-bay, but I’m now thinking the best case scenario for an offensive upgrade with the least amount of risk, is getting Uggla. One or both of F.Sanchez/Rent will almost surely go down for a lenthy period or just suck real hard, so a big bat in the IF is better suited than a big bat in the OF, at this particular point in time.
Plus Uggla would at worst only be a 2 yr. If he pans out keep him around.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Uggla is far more interesting to me. The Problem™ is I have recently come to the conclusion Sabean would screw the pooch on any trade not involing all bit players.
As for Fragile Fred & Renteria I would LOVE them roll the dice on Kelly Johnson. It might fail miseribly but for under $1.5MM the team could have very intresting piece as well.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Now that Brett Wallace is with the Blue Jays
I’m predicting a Lyle Overbay to the Giants trade coming up.
(I actually really like Overbay)
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I liked him five years ago.
Not as much now. Although his numbers don’t look as bad as I thought they were.
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I would be ecstatic if we get Overbay at a price lower than Uggla.
- 4 years/$24M (2007-10)
* re-signed 1/07 (avoided arbitration)
* $3.8M signing bonus
* 07:$0.4M, 08:$5.8M, 09:$7M, 10:$7M
7M / year salary dump from the Blue Jays? it will be cheaper than uggla as well. 2 years is the ideal contract for any addition to the Giants.
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That is pretty strong case. 1 year $7MM that can’t demand much form us.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Holy Hanna!! 15.2% O- Swing Rate (% of time a player swings at non Strikes) and a 37.5% Swing Rate ( % of time he swing an pitchers thrown in his P.A.). Just what are we supose to do with a non hacker?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
His splits are ugly but maybe the Giants could fine room for Guzman or some other RHH on the bench to play against LHPs. But it is an interesting idea, he can’t cost that much.
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 15, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Pageing Mr. Garko.
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pageing Mr. Garko.
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Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Guzman!!!!
Praise Jesus
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Probably injury filler.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
That’s what I was thinking. Wasn’t sure though.
by chilibean_3 on Dec 15, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure either, totally guessing.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
This exactly what it means.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
And exactly how exactly is 7 M/yr cheaper than Uggla. I don’t think he’ll get much more, if any, than that.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
The guessetimates I’ve seen kicked around have been in the $8 -9MM range.
The cheaper part comes in the Jays would seem to be in the unloading contracts/ reloading the farm phase now and to getting most of the $7MM off thier books would probably cost us less then what probably would to pry Uggla away from the Fish.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he’d be a bit cheaper to get, but I don’t think Uggla’s getting 9M/yr. Could be wrong.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Uggla, while having the smallest sample, is all up and up except last year. He’s the youngest of the bunch as well, so maybe he hasn’t peaked.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I think the best way to phrase it is Uggla is less likely to decline. Going into his age 30 season he is far more likey to repeat what he has done than to sudennly bust out.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. That’s a better way of putting. The others would have a tougher time putting up career numbers in the next two seasons. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Uggla do just that.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Ewww.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 15, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
He doesn’t want to play here, so it really doesn’t matter.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 15, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions
Peter Gammons is full of shit
There’s no way that’s true. Bay wants to play where he gets the best deal.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
Why would you assume he only wants the best deal? Possible, yes, but there are always a number of factors that we never know about.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 15, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I think Bay is one of those players i think would be a pretty bad signing but that i wouldn’t actually hate. He’s not going to be worth the money he’s paid and the team signing him will probably end up regretting it but my heart would probably over-rule my head intially.
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Honestly Bay isn’t very good, and like most free agents that come to the giants, it will show quickly. But who cares, sign him anyways, we’ll never get anywhere with Nate Schierholtz and Velez platooning.
by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Dec 15, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions
I don’t want him. But I won’t lie that it will be nice to have a decent hitter in the lineup.
But I don’t want him.
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Give in
Search your heart. You know you want him.
.921 OPS
Give in to your feelings…
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
how about 2years/22 mil
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
good start
then the next 3 years will have to give him like 45 million more to get him
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
With Cameron gone, I’m moving on to Milton Bradley as my hope for the outfield. Sure he’s an injury-prone jerk, but he’s a lifetime .277/.371/.450 hitter and the Cubs will pay you to take him off their hands. For two years at, say, $4 million/year, he’d be a big help.
he's not a free agent, is he?
Plus, there’s the, “A deal like that? For a player like that? No. Is that succinct enough?”
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 15, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Something to consider...
The Red Sox fans love him, the organization has a ton of money, and they really aren’t the offensive juggernaut they used to be, so they could certainly use his offense. Maybe we should be asking why they don’t seem to want him back that badly?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
they’ve seen the defensive statistics.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
the what now?
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"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s between the Mets and Giants’ for Jason Bay. The Angels may be in there, but I think they’ll be spending whatever money they have left on pitching to replace Lackey. I think the Mets are going to take a lot of crap here in NY if they don’t sign Bay. They’re already taking it for missing out on Lackey. I can just imagine the furor over here if Sabean said what Omar Minaya said today about Lackey. “I was going to talk to him tomorrow.” Good job, Omar.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
not for the 5 or 6 years it's going to take.
and there’s no way he takes a 2 or 3 year overpayment at his age and in our park/division.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take Michael Bay
Hopefully he can transform Velez into a certain #25 circa 2001 with his gimmicky special effects.
Win the inning.
He’ll also add a couple unnecessary borderline racist characters to the group!
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How many years is Neal away from AT&T?
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 16, 2009 8:46 AM PST reply actions
1 or 2? Maybe 2011 I’d guess, if not a Sept. call up this year.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 16, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Whats the next year that the Royals come to town?
/Trades Neal for Betancourt
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
the last guy who hit like that in San Jose was in San Francisco later that summer.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Brian Horwitz?
Ryan Rohlinger?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 16, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, no homegrown blocking.
It’s unnatural, man.
Promotes Frandsenitis, then we have a bunch of headcases that wonder why they wasted their time and no one signs with us so as to avoid the same fate.
Just be patient and tend to your crops.
Who writes this crap, Olivah Douglas?
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 16, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Hard to say. The Giants want to see a major league track record before promoting him to a full-time gig, so after September call ups in 2010, 2011 and 2012, with a strong spring training, assuming he doesn’t have a cold week at any point, and further assuming we don’t sign anyone who can play the OF in the interim on the unlikely scenario that Eugenio Velez doesn’t hit enough to hold onto his starting job… then, yeah, maybe 2013.
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