Time to Pick the Halos' Pockets?
by BigO on Dec 14, 2009 2:49 PM PST
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PrintLackey went to the Bosox - that much seems certain. And if all this 3-way stuff is also true, it seems that the LAnaheimers lost out on pretty much all the pitching they coveted. Also, the Halos have signed Hideki Matsui.
So: Is it time to go after Juan Rivera? Would Durty bring a return right now above and beyond his true value? What would we demand beyond Rivera in a deal for Sanchez. Napoli makes some sense, but I'd rather have pitching coming back. There isn't an easy fit, but maybe someone can figure it. Rooooos-ter-bation time, C'mon!
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Juan Rivera’s okay, but he’ll be 32 next year, has a career wOBA of .341, and isn’t a particularly good outfielder. Might as well sign Nady.
I’d actually forgotten about Nady. If we got Nick the Stick and Nady short-term, I think I’d be satisfied for the bats.
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His outfield glove (like Lewis’) actually makes up for XNady’s bat advantage.
by giantsrainman on Dec 14, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Nah nothing they have is worth Durty
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
This Sounds To Me More Like "Time To Let The Halos Pick The Giants Pockets"
by giantsrainman on Dec 14, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Burn.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
I’d do Aybar for Dirty. I really doubt they would, but “nothing they have is worth Durty” isn’t accurate.
Thing A
just off the phone with El Guapo and he gives his full approval for you “to do” Aybar for him. All he asks is that you consider using some protection
I bet you would.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but we have Renteria who is god awful but will start, thats why i clarified my post to nothing they have is worth it that would help us now
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by TexasRanger on Dec 15, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
but thats another year of a bad contract, we cant afford to have an extra 10 million in payroll tied up for a useless backup outfielder, plus Aybar has probably reached his peak and seems like he will regress while Dirty is just scratching his potential
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by TexasRanger on Dec 15, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
what makes you say Aybar, who is 2 years younger, has reached his peak and Sanchez hasn’t? The extra year of a bad contract wouldn’t be pleasant to absorb, but Aybar is a plus defender and his offensive stats have improved every year of his career as he’s gotten more and more ABs.
Thing A
Aybar has no patience or power and had a pretty unsustainable BABIP last year, i’d expect him to regress while Sanchez is getting filthier and filthier and few in the game can strike out hitters like he can
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Dec 16, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Rivera Vs. Righties
Rivera is basically an improved OF version of Garko, so on those random games vs. left-handed starters, he’ll be a big help. The Giants need a right-hander who can actually hit righties, whom you see much more often. Nelson Cruz is a nice name, but he’s too cheap for Texas to trade without expecting a decent return. His teammate Michael Young might be a better possibility; he’s pricey, though. I’d rather get him than DeRosa, that’s for sure.
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thinking about how he’lll cost you Bumgarner will probably make you stop thinking about him.
Thing A
there is the problem of what the Rangers would want, yes, but it’s possible they’d look at Sanchez since they are presumably trying to win this year (and they have a ton of primo pitching prospects.) As far as I can tell, they have only 2 of their starting slots locked down.
Seriously
What do we think it would take to pry away Cruz? (disregarding his recent winter ball injury, of course.) I read one Rangers site that said they were none too deep in INF and behind the plate. Don’t think we haveuch to offer there. So Sanchez and…Bowker? Still not likely to be enough.
So Merope
what are we at?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2009 3:43 PM PST reply actions
Anyone I would want from the Angels would cost more than I'd want to give.
"…this thing which tells time."
Brandon Wood/Howie Kendrick maybe
but Rivera? nah
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions
I’d trade Dirty for Howie Kendrick, but I don’t think the Angels would go for that.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 14, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
It was only 165 ABs, but the guy hit .358 .391 .558 .949 in the second half.
If the Angels are willing to talk about Kendrick for Sanchez, I think we should listen.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 14, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
LOL F.Sanchez
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 14, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Pass
Kendrick makes fragile Freddy look like Cal Ripken Jr. The 111 games Sanchez played in last year were more than Kendrick has ever put up in a season. For me it would have to be at least Aybar or Wood AND Kendrick and thats just not happening.
Thing A
Kendrick seems to not have the same value as he once did with the FO
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 14, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Not a good soldier
the Angels (you know this living a rocks throw) sent the kid down for awhile during the season
Call me crazy, but I still think he has the ability to win a batting title.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 14, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Any relation to Tiger?
If so landing him might increase ticket sales.
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by The Thrill on Dec 14, 2009 5:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If the Angels are looking to counter the moves of Boston, Seattle and (to a much lesser degree) Philly arent they going to have a whole lot more interest in somebody like Matt Cain than somebody like Dirty? There’s nothing Anaheim would part with that I’d take for Cain (I’d want something ridiculous like Morales and Aybar with them also taking Renteria) but I dont think they are likely to focus on a 2nd or 3rd tier guy like Dirty now.
Thing A
probably right
in fact, they’re already rumoured to be looking at DLowe, and MLBTR suggests Rivera would be sought by the Braves
But for entertainment value, here’s a better one:
Atlanta gets: Zito 5/$94 million (4/$83 if they are lucky, but probably vests with the trade) and $60 million from SF
SF gets: Lowe 3/$45 and GMJ 2/$23 and SoS/Palmer/Bulger type pitcher
Angels get: Rowand 3/$36 and Cain 2/$10.5 from SF
Sorry, only way I can see getting rid of GMJ, and getting something remotely useful in return. But Matsui will probably throw this out.
SF would shedding $140.5 million in salary. Taking on $68 million in salary that is over in 3 years. And paying out $60 million. For a relief of $12.5 million
Atl would shed $45 million in salary. Taking on $94 million in salary over 5 years. And recieving $60 million. For a relief of $11 million
Angels would shed $23 million in salary. Taking on $46.5 million in salary over 3 years. with an increase of $23.5 million.
Big difference is we’d be getting a useful pitcher in Cain and a .700 ops player in Rowand. Angels farm stays fairly intact. SF now has financial freedom to actually have a chance to keep Linceum. Atlanta gets financial relief, and with their coaching staff, can possibly turn around Zito and in a few years flip him at $6.8 million a year.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
We basically basically get worse by swapping out Zito and Rowand with Lowe and GMJ and then we give Cain away for 12.5 million dollars over 4 or 5 years?
Wow, where did you find this? I’m glad Angels fans think dumping a GMJ for Cain and Rowand would be netting them “something remotely useful” and that Cain is a “useful pitcher.” That extra couple million a year is really gonna help us keep Lincecum, its not like giving Cain away is gonna cost the team any more than that in wins and revenue.
Thing A
HALOLS FANS
(I like that we get Matt Palmer back, BTW)
http://www.angelswin.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=31340&start=1
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I give this some credit
it does actually present a scenario when the Giants could dump Rowand and Zito, that other teams wouldn’t laugh at.
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dump? did you see the 60 million included?
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by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOO!
Sox signed Lackey and Cameron! AND Cameron!
/cries
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dammit
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LOL Red Sox
Signed Mike Cameron when Scott Podsednick is available. Who’s running that team?
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
It Would Have Taken Three Years For Him To Choose The Giants Over The RedSox.
by giantsrainman on Dec 14, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
I Am Thinking We Are About To Lose Out On Nick Johnson For The Same Reason.
by giantsrainman on Dec 14, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
I’m hoping their plan is to build a really strong defensive team and they go hard after Beltre now instead of Johnson.
Thing A
Angels GM Tony Reagins
Once again Reagins does a great job getting a player on the cheap who can produce. Last offseason he signed Abreu. This offseason he is about to lock up Matsui on the cheap.
The Halos have Hot Pockets!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 15, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions
Trade them Zito
If they are interested in Lowe, would they be interested in Zito?
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by Natto on Dec 15, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha the first thing I thought of
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Dec 15, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
There has been a lot of this going on.
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe we can pick the Blue Jays
with the trade of Michael Taylor for Brett Wallace the Toronto 1b Lyle Overbay is more than available. Overbay has one year on a contract fpr $7M
I wouldve loved Michael Taylor in SF
6’6" 250lb corner OF, there is monster upside there. A’s got him cheaply for their version of Travis Ishikawa. Posey, Pablo,Taylor trio wouldve been an ideal 3/4/5 order for the next 5-8 years.
I don’t follow the AL, but is Wallace big league ready for 2010? Jays may need a year more of Overbay. Other problem is Sabean not wanting guys about to become free agents.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
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by foothillsfan on Dec 16, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
Is TI big lead ready for 2010?
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
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