McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #13
by marcello on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 AM PST
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Ehire with the easy victory. Here is our list so far:
- Buster Posey
- Madison Bumgarner
- Thomas Neal
- Zack Wheeler
- Roger Kieschnick
- Tommy Joseph
- Brandon Crawford
- Rafael Rodriguez
- Dan Runzler
- Nick Noonan
- Conor Gillaspie
- Ehire Adrianza
For #13, we have the following options:
Matt Graham
Each player should have a link to Baseball Cube in their first name and a link to First Inning in their last name if they are available. The poll will close Wednesday at noon, unless it's clear enough to call, then it will be Tuesday around noon.
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PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH PEOPLE YOU THINK SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE NEXT POLL
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Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Ryan Rohlinger
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Brandon Belt
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Jesus Guzman
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Steve Johnson
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Henry Sosa
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Tim Alderson
wait…
"One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures." -George W. Bush
With Adrianza finally off the board, I’m lost.
Stoffel seems to be the best arm remaining, though I don’t see a whole lot to separate him from the others.
Sanchez and Peguero make a nice opposition — statz vs. scoutz. I guess I’ll go with the OBP guy.
Y'all need to take a chill Pill
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Stoffel
I’m not sure Peguero should even be in the top 20.
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I doubt any of us are sure about any of the prospects at this point.
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I still haven’t decided. I think I am leaning Hector Sanchez due to position and good stats, but basing a decision on rookie-league stats seems like a bad decision. Clayton Tanner would also be acceptable, despite the low ceiling.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Lack of pitching depth starting to freak me out
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Believe Merkin Valdez should be a starter, stop jerking him around Giants
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William Sadler = Jonathan Sanchez
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Should convert Chris Dominguez to a starter
He can hit homers every fifth day
by NateEveryday on Dec 14, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone having a harder time ranking this year’s prospects? I feel like it was easier (for me) last year.
Agreed. I feel like the first 3-4 were pretty easy, and then everyone from Kieschnick to Adrianza could almost be interchangeable.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Is it good that we’ve got so many decent prospects who could turn out well, or bad that we’ve got so many decent prospects we don’t know about?
The recent criticisms of the system have been that it is extremely top heavy. That is still the case, but it seems less so this time around—-even with the loss of Villalona making the top prospects even less balanced.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Full of suck?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Gritty and slathered in pine tar?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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All-glove, no-bat.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 14, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
It seems like the perfect kind of top-heavy as far as the year-to-year progression. The top stayed just as good, it’s just that the bottom got a bit better.
TWSS
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Well
The top did lose a couple of guys.
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Neal and Wheeler replace Alderson, Villalona, Barnes. A net negative, but not catastrophic. Of course, it would be nice to have ALL of them, but you know…
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I was going to say
“Also Sandoval, since he’s in the Majors now,” but of course he didn’t qualify last year either.
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I'd agree
But there’s also Alderson. and Bumgarner’s prospect standing is still very high, but the velocity problems knocked it down a bit.
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I totally agree. I think ANY one of the first group beats ANY one of the second. Again, though, there’s no reason that we shouldn’t have all of them, other than Angel.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Brett Pill with the early lead
Maybe that one guy who’s angrily obsessed with Brett Pill called in his friends.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Yeah, that’s odd. If I were going to vote for a good-hitting upper minors not-prospect, it would most assuredly be Brock Bond rather than Pill.
Voted Tanner but it was a coin flip between him and Stoffel
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Brett Pill
Slick fielding 1b finally turned his doubles power into HRs. Had a fine season hitting in the pitcher friendly Eastern League. Continued up his breakout season with a very nice winter league.
As I said above, among non-prospects having good seasons in the upper minors, what possible reason is there to prefer Pill to Bond? Bond is a year younger, plays a more difficult defensive position (albeit poorly, apparently), and is a better hitter.
Pill did have about 70 points of SLG on Bond.
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I know
But I think the POWER!!! is why some people prefer Pill. That and RBIZ.
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Rohlinger is older than Downs is older than Pill is older than Bond.
2009 AA –
Bond: .335/.427/.410/837 wOBA: .374 LD%: 20 BABIP: .394
Pill: .298/.348/.480/828 wOBA: 348 LD%: 18 BABIP: .317
Rohlinger
2009 AAA .281/.350/.468/.818 wOBA: .353
2008 AA (178PA) .296/.354/.497/851 wOBA: 365
- supposedly plays defense well at 2b, 3b and even can cover SS.
Downs (skipped AA in 2008)
2009 AAA: .296/.354/.497/851 wOBA 353
Does anyone really think Bond can be better than Downs or Rohlinger? Or that Pill will be any better than Ishikawa? I kinda agree with xanthan – they (all) kinda stink. We can play the “If-game” or have our favorites, but are we hoping for more than utility or average players from this group? I don’t really think Bond or Pill should go much higher than Downs did last year (22) and Rpohlinger didn’t even make the top 30. Meanwhile, the original-Downs and Rohlinger maybe deserve a bump.
Ishikawa (for further comparison and a couple of weeks older than Ryan)
2008 AA : (277 PA) .291/.379/.462/841 wOBA: 365
2008 AAA: (192 PA) .310/.370/.737/1107 wOBA: .448
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
I don’t think most of us consider any of these guys top prospects. But Pill is getting quite a few votes in this poll, which seems kind of nutty to me. So I made the point that Pill plays first base and wasn’t even the best hitter on the Defenders, so if you like him you ought to like Bond even better.
Just for the record
I don’t think Pill belongs in the top 20.
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ALL BLAND-LOOKING WHITE GUYS LOOK THE SAME!!!!
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Pill looks like one of those twee porcelain collectable figurines in that photo.
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I voted for Stoffel for some reason.
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I also went Stoffel
but at this point, I think it’s just everybody’s personal prefence for certain players over others. It’s pretty hard to distinguish the talent.
Although I think Peguero is getting the Dan Runzler treatment.( getting votes even though most voters would have never voted him this high if he wasn’t in BA’s top 10). I personally don’t have much faith in a guy with zero plate discipline and no power to advance to the upper minors well.
I do think it’s fair that he is being compared to Sandoval, since it wasn’t until Pablo’s breakout year, where he actually showed decent plate discipline, that he was taking seriously as a top prospect, and that’s the same way I think we should we judge Francisco, Not that he shouldn’t be on the list, just not higher then 15 to 20 range in my opinion.
by NateEveryday on Dec 14, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Stoffel. Potential steal at his draft spot.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions
You know what's crazy
two years in a row in the 4th round we took a pac-10 player with draftitis. Hopefully Stoffel can have a Crawford-esque season.
Stoffel
Maybe Bucardo next
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 14, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions
So we're officially into the next tier of prospects now
where there really isn’t any clear choice. I agree with the Stoffel block though – potential closer and probable rapid rise through the system gives him the edge.
by crazedcrustacean on Dec 14, 2009 12:22 PM PST reply actions
Next time, buddy
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 14, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Hector Sanchez
I LIKE THE STATS
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Si..
Héctor Sánchez puede mover el bate de béisbol. Recibe mi voto.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
Waldis
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 14, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions
My first post
figure ill establish myself as a pompous ass.
The fact that Hector Sanchez got the 2nd most votes for 13th best prospect in our organization is laughable, especially over Waldis Joaquin. FAIL to the 22 people that voted for Sanchez
Your argument?
I really dont know much about Sanchez so I would interested in why you think this.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I would interested too!
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
I interest in why Ehire no go school
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 14, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever, I got 16 of 17 words.
Thats still an A
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
I know
easy mistake I just like the way it sounded.
also, Sanchez in brief: OBP!, Catcher!, Power Potential!, K/BB!, Age!, rookie ball :(.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Well for one, you’re looking at two tiny sample sizes from the AZL and DSL, so any stat based argument doesn’t work because were talking about the lowest of low levels, and its not like 19 is execptionally young for the AZL. Its not that hes not a prospect, or i have any problem with him but there are at least 10 people in our system that are without a doubt more valuable prospects.
also food for thought, Baggs said in his BA chatwrap that Sanchez barely missed the top 30 prospect list. ill stick with what the scouts say over 324 at bats in the past 2 years in the low minors
BA also ranked edward conception over him in the AZL this year
ok, thanks
also, use the “reply” button to reply to someone’s post.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Sanchez
You do know how quickly walk and strikeout rates normalize, right? And you also know that he plays catcher, right? And you also know that he got rave reviews for his catching in the AZL, right? And you also know that Waldis is a reliever with serious control issues and without the ridiculous strikeout rate that Runzler has, right? Considering what you wrote, it’s pretty obvious you don’t know these things.
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But aren’t rookie stats highly suspect, whatever they are? I mean, the guy must be facing some seriously cruddy pitching.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
They’re generally pretty close to worthless due to the ridiculous spread of talent levels that will float through a rookie league over the course of a season. However, I’d say if you want to look at any stat at that level, K/BB might well be the most meaningful (for both hitters and pitchers) followed (significantly less significant) by maybe Iso power. I wouldn’t bother looking at much else, and ultimately the scouting reports are much more important for the Complex leagues.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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I still can’t figure out why their isn’t more love for Sanchez from scouts. The only real knock I’ve heard on him is a soft body, but he’s a catcher…
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He did land in the AZL Top 20 which is certainly some degree of love. But honestly, guys who spend the entire season in the AZL are so very rarely hot prospects, that it’s not that unusual to see. Mike Trout was the first player I remember in a long time who was really a hot prospect who spent most of the season in the AZL, and he was at least a 1st round draft choice. To come up with a player who was on the traditional DSL to AZL path and lit up scouts eyes, you might have to go back to Felix Pie.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Well, looking back over the last 7 years of AZL Top 20s, I guess Angel Villalona would have been the last super prospect who wasn’t a high draft choice, though as a huge bonus baby really he amounted to about the same. So yeah, I’d say Pie was the last time a player who was coming from an UFA Latin American background excited scouts was probably Pie (hey look, Jesse English, Carlos Sosa, and Travis Ishikawa were all in the AZL Top 10 that year. Matt Cain was #12).
But it’s interesting looking back to just last year, Starlin Castro was the #14 propsect in the league and was #7 in a very bad Cubs system (ranked #27 overall). This year I believe he was the #6 prospect in the FSL and #1 for the Cubs (still a pretty weak system), so Hector’s #15 ranking in the AZL is far from a scarlet letter. He could certainly put himself solidly on the prospect map if he has the kind of season in the Sally that his backers here are expecting from him.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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I’m obviously pretty excited for his 2010. I have a feeling the only good Giants news next year will be coming from the minors.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
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My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
stoffel, i guess
sanchez next, then peguero, then a whole bucnh of meh, rohlinger too. pill is intriguing
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