Opening Day Lineup
by deebrizz on Dec 13, 2009 3:35 AM PST
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So the dust has settled and now the real action is about to begin. with all the rumors about trades the Giants are going to make and free agents they are going to sign. Everyone has a different view of what the opening day lineup is going to be. So my question to you is, what do hope the opening day lineup/starting rotation is?
And for you realists/pessimists what do you expect the lineup/rotation to be? LOL Velez!!!
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Going out on a limb here...
There is no hope, only reality…
LF Velez/Torres
2B Sanchez/Kelly Johnson
SS Renteria
3B Sandoval
1B Johnson/Ishikawa (when Johnson is injured)
RF Schierholz
CF Rowand
C Whiteside/Buck
SP Lincecum
SP Cain
SP Zito
SP Sanchez
SP Pucetas/Wang
Bound to sign one of these who will also completely suck: DeRosa, Atkins, Podsednick.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
“Bound to sign one of these who will also completely suck”
I didn’t imply that DeRosa sucks. I predicted he’d suck for us!
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Dec 14, 2009 6:15 AM PST up reply actions
I still cringe at the thought of Velez/Torres receiving the most PAs on the team. We are in for another offensive doozy.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 13, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
offensive in every sense of the word
I refuse to believe the velorres platoon will be our everyday LF. It can’t be true.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
I sure hope you are right. Bochy calls them ‘our lead off hitters’ but recognizes that it’s an are they are looking at this off-season.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 13, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I think Bochy is pretty dead set on our leadoff hitters barring both of them being traded away. I think even if we got a solid baserunner in Podsednick our lineup would still begin like this on a daily basis:
Velez/Torres <——- decent #7 hitters
Podsednick <——— decent leadoff hitter
Sanchez <———- NOT a #3 hitter
Panda
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Dec 14, 2009 6:19 AM PST up reply actions
Hoping for:
LF: Lewis
2B: Sanchez
1B: Johnson
3B: Sandoval
CF: Cameron
RF: Rowand
C: Scrub Catcher (Was hoping for Zaun but none seem particularly enticing)
SS: Renteria
SP: Lincecum
SP: Cain
SP: Sanchez
SP: Duscherer
SP: Zito
Expecting:
LF: Velez
2B: Sanchez
3B: DeRosa
1B: Sandoval
RF: Nady
CF: Rowand
C: Olivo
SS: Renteria
SP: Lincecum
SP: Cain
SP: Zito
SP: Sanchez
SP: Bumgarner
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
I’d rather have Gomes than Nady.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 7:13 AM PST reply actions
I’d rather have Nady but i really don’t want either. It’s like arguing over who you’d rather out of Velez Podsednick.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
Velez>>>>>rather have>>>>>>>>>>PODS.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah i agree, I’d rather go with Velez, but it’s still like choosing whether you’d rather get stabbed or shot.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
Ugh, depends on the type of round and whether I can keep the knife in the wound.
I love the sorts of mental debate these line-up predictions invoke.
Yeah being shot with a .22 in the head would suck, might opt for a nice blade.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Just finished The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets Nest / Played with Fire in which this exact debate occurred. In the scheme of pain that was meted out in that book, I’d actually rather opt for the .22 than being bludgeoned to death by a German who can’t feel pain.
Well, I failed epically to take into account that particular German you’re speaking of.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
CF Rowand
3B Sanchez
1B Sandoval
LF Bay
2B Uggla
RF Bowker
C Posey
SS Renteria
Rotation: Lincecum, Zito, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
Uggla + Bay, that’d be swell, but you sir must be from pinstripealley where money just flows.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
That and Bay apparently self eviscerates at the thought of daily fog.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 13, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
Neukom and Sabean have hinted at expanding payroll if the situation presents itself, and the situation HAS presented itself. Not that Bay won’t be vastly overpaid, but he’s not being crazy unreasonable like other top free agents are being. The Mets’ offer to Bay is heavily backloaded, and you can be sure any Giants’ offer to Bay will be the same thing. These moves make the Giants’ the team to beat in the NL West, because the rest of the teams, including the Dodgers, seem to be spinning their wheels.
As for Bay’s “dislike” of SF, let’s not forget that that came from Peter Gammons, and there’s no way that the player or the agent would have said anything like that. They’re not about to disparage the best offer that Bay has, even if they really felt that way. Of course that’s assuming that the Giants’ are the mystery team. The NY Post today guessed it was either the Giants or the Mariners, but from what I’ve read lately, the Mariners seemed to have moved on to John Lackey.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
I agree, I’ve been a Pro-Bay guy all along. But I just don’t see it anymore. It’s POD’s time to shine now.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
A heavily backloaded deal to a guy going into his 30s and already can’t play good defense in LF sounds like a great idea! Can’t wait to be paying him $20 million a year when he’s a 2 WAR player.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Eh
I’d take him for 5/70 if that’s what you’ve gotta do.
That lineup that rxmeister posted is purdy.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
I think it’ll turn very Rowand-esque in a hurry if they sign him to that deal.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
And I like the guy
I just don’t think he’s a good fit for an NL team.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Rowand-Esqe in what way?
Rowand turned in a career year in a bandbox park in a division with meh pitching.
Bay put up his fifth 900+ OPS season since 03 in a division with some of the best hitters in the league.
Say what you will about Jason Bay, he’s a lot better than Aaron Rowand, and there’s no reason the Giants can’t afford to give him Rowand money + what it takes to land him.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
J. Bay will outhit Rowand for the rest of his career no matter where either player plays. And Rowand’s D is way overrated, don’t care what UZR says.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
whether Rowand D is overrated or not has no bearing on how horrid Bay’s will be
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 13, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
True.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
No matter what you think of advanced metrics, playing 150 games in LF without making an error is pretty impressive.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
All that really means is that he didn’t flat out drop a ball that was hit to him. Awesome.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Not really.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I'm not saying he's exactly Rowand
Obviously, he’s a better player than Rowand.
I’m saying the contract will start looking Rowand-esque quickly. You realize that Fenway Park is probably one of the top three hitter’s parks in baseball, right?
Between Bay playing a less important defensive position (and not playing it as well as Rowand does), going into his thirties, etc, I think the contract would look very ugly in years 3-5.
Yes it might look good for the first year… but you’re not signing him for one year, you’re signing him for five. And given that ~$14 mil has been about his market value the past two years, I don’t think he’s a good bet to stay at that level for five years (and if the contract is backloaded… oh dear.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I think you are signing him for 1-2 years in reality, it’s just that you need to give him 5 years in order to get the 2 years you want.
Wasting the SP talent we have on this team for the next couple of years would be criminal. Even if Bay is only good for the first two years of his contract, those two years will coincide with the peak performance from our awesome pitchers. And having a legitimate power hitter on this team other than pablo, in combination with our pitching, makes us a force to be reckoned with.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
Well, that’s where we differ. I don’t personally think Bay is going to be the difference in the next two years between making the WS and not and there is no way I want to mortgage 2012-2014 for the next two years.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Right. But Bay + Uggla or others would be. IMO.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think so.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Ah, come on
Bay’s Line 09: .267/.384/.537
Giants LF line: .276/.324/.415
-—————————————
Uggla’s Line 09: .243/.354 /.459
Nick Johnson’s Line 09: .291/.426/.405
Giants 1B line (what uggla would replace): .268/.326/.401
Getting bay and johnsonORuggla would vastly improve our production at two positions. If that isn’t a large enough upgrade to make us contenders, I don’t know what is.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
You seriously shouldn’t even have to bring stats into that particular convo.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
It’s almost impossible to downgrade over VVVRRROOOOOMMMMMM and Ishii.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants pitching is likely to regress next year (and even moreso if you add Bay to LF and Uggla to 2B.)
There are already reasons to think the Giants were more than a bit lucky last year and probably not as good as their record. It’s been said before, but it reminds me of the 2007 Seattle Mariners, which lucked into about 85 wins, decided they were therefore only 5 wins away from being a 90 win team (when it was more like 15 wins away based on talent) and made a ton of ill-advised moves to get themselves there and ended up blowing up spectacularly.
I think a lot of people are underestimating how far the Giants actually probably are from being contenders, as well as how much of an upgrade these players they want actually are.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Sorry
the 2007 Mariners lucked into 88 wins. Just like the Giants!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
A lot of variables there.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
And these variables all, conveniently, don’t apply to the Giants, am I right?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You are wrong.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Not wrong in your thinking, I’m sorry, just meant that it no doubt applies to the Giants as well.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I’m just saying that a lot of people are looking at all this from the perspective that, “Well, the Giants won 88 games last year. They don’t need to improve that much to get to 95 because the pitching is going to be just as good as it was last year, so they just need to get the offense better!” when it’s highly unlikely that Giants pitching will up a team ERA+ of 123 again next year. The runs allowed is likely going to go up – the runs scored is going to need to go up more than people are expecting.
And there are probably ways to do that – I’d personally love to see them do something like sign Holliday, give Buster the catching job, sign Nick Johnson and give Bowker RF, but it’s not realistic.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I can assure you that’s not how I personally am looking at it. The obvious holes are in LF/1B. This is one of, if not the best, pitching staffs in MLB. Don’t waste it becuase you’re worried about monies. That’s how I’m viewing it. But I see your point clearly.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
See here's my problem
I think the obvious holes are at every position but third base. Catcher we can hopefully take care of. The rest?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, but that’s Sabeans dream out there. I don’t know, you’re probably right, so that’s why I’m easing myself into the notion of DeRosa and PODS. It won’t be that bad.
Cheap bastards.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder how often the Braves’ pitching staff (THAT one, not THIS one) was expected to regress.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 13, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
I really think our core of Tim, Matt, and Dirty will not regress much, if any. They’re so young and still figuring it out (well Matt and Dirty, figuring out part).
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, Matt’s still learning too. He’s overshadowed by Tim, but I think in the long haul he’ll be right there too.
True Stud.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, but isn't he settling in nicely?
I mean…intentionally reducing your pitch speed as part of a strategy?
And then making it work…priceless.
You really have to like the “Owns a house in SF” anchor.
Now if Tim would just buy a house…
…or a farm…
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 14, 2009 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
Plus Runzler, Jauquin, Romo, Bumgarner. The pitching, while intact, is tops.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
+1. It’s sad that it’s really all just bowtie being too cheap. Regardless of how you view the players in question.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
If the Giants being cheap saves them from signing a player to a Zito/Rowand contract part 2, I’m okay with that.
It would be things like 5 year backloaded contracts to Jason Bay that keep us from signing Tim and Matt to extensions.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I’m not advicating a 5 year backloaded contract. Just so you know.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Shit, frontload it.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Heh, why don’t teams ever frontload contracts anyway? It makes a hell of a lot more sense than increasing salary as you go along.
I guess players wouldn’t go for it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Agents. I suppose.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I think that
continuing to show an unwillingness to bring in the players needed to win will be what keeps us from signing tim and matt extensions. Why would they want to keep playing in SF if we refuse to get better?
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
They’re not going to have the money to sign them if they sign guys like Bay to ill-advised longterm deals, so I guess it’s a lose-lose.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
If they open their wallets just a bit they would. The freakin’ monies are there. Don’t let them kid you.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
GIANTS BRASS!!!!!11
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I think JPon makes great points here, but I really doubt the Giants’ think that way. I think they think that Bay and Uggla would put them over the top. Even if she’s correct and they’re a lucky 88 win team, this would make them a legit contender instead of a fluky one. I agree, however, that 5 years to Bay is too much, but if you want him, how else do you get him? He loves Boston, and lives in Seattle. If you want him, you have to give him more than anyone else is offering.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
But why do you think “they” think that? They’ve shown no indications of it. I’d be pretty happy if they went for it with those players.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t want him
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I don’t know if they think that specifically Uggla and Bay put them over the top, I’m just saying I doubt they believe what JPon said, about them being “far away from being contenders.” There’s no way they believe that. I doubt they think that that was luck last year. I’m sure Sabean thinks he brilliantly constructed the roster and Bochy brilliantly carried out his plan.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
He’s kind of a friend of the family, and I wouldn’t get behind that deal.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I think you're right
I’ve been saying for a while that I think the giants are much more interested in Bay than they’ve let on.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
here it goes...
1. CF M. Cameron
2. 3B F. Sanchez
3. 1B P. Sandoval
4. 2B D. Uggla
5. LF J. Bowker
6. RF A. Rowand
7. C B. Posey
8. SS E. Renteria
Bench: RF N Schierholtz, CF A. Torres, UTIL R. Rohlinger, 1B Travis Ishikawa, C Jose Molina
Rotation
1. T. Lincecum
2. M. Cain
3. B. ZIto
4. J. Sanchez
5. D. Davis
Bullpen
S. McClung
W. Joaquin
D. Runzler
B. Medders
S. Romo
J. Affeldt
B. Wilson
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I’d be okay with this, though I doubt they’d sign Cameron. And I definitely doubt they’d start Bowker over Velez right off the bat.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
If you notice I don’t even have Velez on the roster. I did that because of the pipe dream that the marlins request velez be part of the deal for Uggla
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 13, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
What I am hoping for:
CF Cameron
SS Sanchez
1B Johnson
3B Sandoval
2B Uggla
LF Bowker
C Posey
RF Rowand
What I expect:
LF Velez
2B Sanchez
1B LaRoche
3B Sandoval
RF Nate
CF Rowand
C Olivo
SS Renteria
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that latter one is depressing
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 13, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Rotation
Hope:
Lincecum, Cain, Zito, Sanchez, Bedard
Expect:
Lincecum, Cain, Zito, Sanchez, Davis/Wang
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I’m not really convinced by these “rowand to a corner” ideas. I mean, his production is only close to acceptable if you leave him in cf. Cameron ain’t the answer, if you ask me. We need more slugging from the corners in OF. Bowker might possibly provide this, but i don’t think you can count on it. Uggla to lf might work, but it’s a longshot to implement. Anyway, yes, it’s easy to poke holes, so I’ll try to work on my own master plan. Pretty sure it involves outfielders from Texas teams.
It’s all about defense. Rowand is a decent defender in center, so he’d be a good defender in right, which you don’t see all that often (especially considering the cavernous nature of RF at AT&T). The defense would make up for the fact that he isn’t as offensively gifted as most corner OFs, and in all likelihood it would be close to having the traditional good offense/poor defense player that mans the corner OF spot in terms of overall value. I’m not opposed to the idea especially if we get a strong defensive CF like Cameron.
That’s money. I’m really thinking the moves made are going to be DeRosa 2/14, and PODS 1/2.5. Very disapointing, but very realistic.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
My hatred grows every day.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Rethinking my original lineup
LF Velez/Torres
SS Renteria
2B Sanchez/Kelly Johnson
3B Sandoval
1B Garko (picked up by Mets, immediately traded to SF for Zack Wheeler)
RF Schierholz/Cust
CF Rowand
C Buck (only catcher not demanding a 2 yr/$6 million “because thats what Pudge got!”)
Fred Lewis and Frandsen traded to gypsies in exchange for cleaning AT&T parking lot, Bowker banished to Fresno for eternity for being too much of a damn coward to play in Venezuela.
Guzman bats .785 with 25 HRs and 125 RBIs during spring training, starts at 1B for Fresno Grizzlies.
SP Lincecum
SP Cain
SP Zito
SP Sanchez
SP Pucetas/Wang (as opposed to Puceta’s wang)
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
Frandsen may welcome that move.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
CF Borbon
SS Andrus
2b Sanchez
C Sandoval
1b Delgado
3b Posey
LF Bowker
RF Rowand
Cain
Zito
Sanchez
Bumganer
Feliz
Nicer haul for Timmeh.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
throw in smoak, and i'll really like the deal
by speedyt72000 on Dec 13, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
He was included, he’s still in AAA though.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Let me know the last time a player who won two straight Cy Young awards and is only 25 was traded for minor leaguers who had done nada at the major league level. You would be the first to kill Sabean if they went bust or didn’t become the players that you expect them to be.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
Abdrus, Borbon and Feliz are MLers and very highly rated. I expect Lincecum to make north of $12.5M this season. If healthy and productive this season he will become very expensive to the point only the Yankees or Red Sox would be willing to trade for him.
Sabean is safe.
Tim is almost destined to play in the AL East. Unless he’s not too concerned with that money.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a healthy haul for Tim.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
you think the season ticket holders would be “fine” with Lincecum being traded away for a bunch of players they’ve never heard of? The bottom line comes into play here. There’s a fanpost or fanshot or whatever on the other side about a great one time minor league prospect by the name of Adam Miller. This franchise would be set back a decade if they traded Tim for minor leaguers who turned out to be not worth the hype.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
If it meant improving a team? The yes. I would be devastated, however Tim is a pitcher* and that haul would set us up for the playoffs nicely.
See Mark Mulder/Tim Hudson
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 14, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think through the press they could persaude a casual fan into being OK with this deal. Tim’s gone soon enough if this team wants to win anyway, he’s going to cost $25M/yr very soon.
Neftali has the goods to replace a starter, while also getting the best young SS in the game (already proven at 20 yrs old), a young CF with MLB experience, and one of the best 1B prospects in all of baseball.
I doubt Texas would pull the trigger actually.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 14, 2009 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
Ya i have agree with your last line. the has having money issues and possible ownership change. Not exactly the time most times take on large contracts.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 14, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
You see, I said nothing about the political repercussions of the deal, which would inevitably preclude it.
From our perch, the exchange in talent is appropriate. Not everybody has our knowledge/insight, but that shouldn’t prevent a bit of theorizing when applicable.
Lethargy
It has me
Hopeful Lineup
2B F Sanchez
C Posey
1B N Johnson
3B Sandoval
LF Gomes
RF Bowker/Schierholtz
CF Rowand
SS Renteria
This way we sign N Johnson and Gomes, rather than entrusting Sabean with our farm system to trade for Uggla.
Hopeless Lineup
RF Podsednik
LF Velez
1B LaRoche
3B Sandoval
2B Sanchez
SS Renteria
CF Rowand
C Whiteside
This way, Sabean doesn’t rape our own farm system for Uggla, but his ineptness only nets us Podsednik and LaRoche ughhhh…
1B Johnson
C Posey
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
LF Bowker/Cameron
CF Rowand
RF Schierholtz/Cameron
SS Cabrera
P/ DH Cameron (AL away games)
"One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures." -George W. Bush
Rotation
RHP Lincecum
LHP Zito
RHP Cain
RHP Duchscherer
LHP Sanchez
Bullpen
CL Wilson
SU Affeldt
SU Romo
RP Medders
RP Runzler
RP Joaquin
RP Martinez
Vs. LHP
CF Torres
1B Johnson
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
RF Schierholtz
LF Rowand
C Posey
SS Renteria
P
Bench: Bowker, Velez, Rohlinger, Ishikawa, Ausmus
Vs. RHP
LF Velez
1B Johnson
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
RF Bowker
CF Rowand
C Posey
SS Renteria
P
Bench: Schierholtz, Torres, Rohlinger, Ishikawa, Ausmus
If possible, keep Posey in AAA and use Ausmus and Whiteside until June, to prevent him from qualifying for Super Two. Of course, if they’re not hitting at all it may be necessary to call him up early. Bumgarner starts and stays in AAA, unless he’s tearing it up , has his velocity back, and we’re in contention late in the year; there are other pitchers who can fill a spot if necessary (Martinez or Pucetas particularly).
"Hope" lineups are fun
Aaron Rowand CF
Nick Johnson 1B
Matt Holliday LF
Pablo Sandoval 3B
Dan Uggla 2B
Freddy Sanchez SS
Nate Schierholtz RF
Buster Posey C
Rotation same as now, with Bumgarner as #5. Renteria plays SS on days when any of the infielders need a rest (everyone else shuffles).
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
I gave myself a sad
Thinking about how awesome this lineup would be.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
I'll Try this
Hope
1-Rowand-CF
2-Sanchez-2B
3-Sandoval-1B
4-Miguel Tejada-3B- 1yr 5 mil
5-Bowker-RF (LF When Nate plays)
6-Gomes/Nate-LF/RF
7-Posey-C
8-Renteria-SS
Bench-
C-Olivo
1B-Ishikawa
Util-Frandsen
COF-Gomes/Nate
CF-Torres
Realistic
1-Velez-LF
2-Sanchez-2B
3-Podsednik-CF
4-Sandoval-3B
5-Hank Blalock-1B
6-Rowand-RF
7-Renteria-SS
8-Brad Ausmus-C
Bench
C-Whiteside
1B-Ishikawa
Util-Rohlinger
COF-Schierholtz
CF-Torres
Solid Blalock sighting!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 14, 2009 7:28 AM PST up reply actions
Expected:
LF – Velez/Torres
3B – Sanchez
1B – Sandoval
2B – Uggla
CF – Rowand
RF – Schierholtz
SS – Renteria
C – Whiteside
Pitcher’s Spot
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
My Two Cents
Hope for:
LF: Bowkermania
RF: Nate the Great
CF: Rowland Heights
1B: Nick “I broke my arm in 6 places arm wrestling with my son” Johnson
2B: Mole
SS: Rent-a-SS
3B: The soon to be Panda Express
C: Poser
P: A DH…OBVIOUSLY
I wouldn’t mind a UGGZ, Mole, Panda, and Rent infield though…
I believe in the Bowker!
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Dec 13, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions
LF Velez/Torres
3B F. Sanchez
2B Uggla
3B Sandoval
SS Uribe
CF Rowand
RF Nate
C Posey or Olivo
jettison Renteria
Good luck with that last part
the FO doesn’t seem to understand “sunk costs”
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Dec 13, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
As long as we're dreaming...
SS – Renteria/Andrus
RF – Schierholtz
2B – Sanchez
3B – Sandoval
1B – Smoak
LF – Bowker
C – Posey
CF – Torres/Rowand
SP – Cain
SP – Zito
SP – Sanchez
SP – Martinez (placeholder for Bumgarner in Aug.)
SP – Neftali Feliz
This obviously weakens our SP (I’ve traded Lincecum to Texas for Smoak, Andrus, & Feliz), but adding two cornerstones in Smoak and Andrus – plus the potential of Feliz – and saving gobs of money makes it worthwhile to me. This would clearly live or die with the development of Bumgarner and Wheeler.
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo.
Rent/Andrus?
Andrus only.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 14, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
im getting more and more settled with the idea that signing laroche instead of johnson is the only major move they will make this offseason. those second half dingers are going to look wayyyy to tempting to mr. sabena
you know for a fact he thinks sanchez can handle batting third in front of pablo and laroche will take care of fifth behind him.
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions
P O D S !
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 14, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Realistic lineup… :(
1. Velez LF
2. Sanchez 2B
3. Johnson 1B
4. Sandoval 3B
5. Gomes or Nady RF
6. Rowand CF
7. Posey C
8. Renteria SS
Here’s a sexier lineup if we had a competent GM… :)
1. Lewis/K. Johnson LF
2. Sanchez SS
3. Johnson 1B
4. Sandoval 3B
5. Uggla 2B
6. Bowker/Schierholtz RF
7. Posey C
8. Rowand CF
Panda 4 Prez
Christmas Wish
LF Velez
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
RF Dye
1B Laroche
CF Rowand
C Olivo
SS Renteria
SP Lincecum
SP Cain
SP Zito
SP Smoltz
SP Sanchez
Attack of the Johnsons! (and others)
CF Reed Johnson
LF Johnny Johnson Gomes
RF John Bowker
1B Nick Johnson
2B Kelly Johnson
3B Sandoval
SS Sanchez
C Rob Johnson
SP Randy Johnson
and coming in for relief…
Chien-Ming Wang!
by nick217Giantsfan on Dec 14, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions
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