Non-Tendered
by AndrewWK on Dec 13, 2009 2:17 AM PST
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Which, if any, non tendered player should the Giants consider signing?
My vote is for Kelly Johnson. He can play anywhere around the IF (and LF), and is one year removed from back to back .350+ OBP and .800+ OPS seasons. He should also be good for a dozen or so dingers and SBs. He never quite got going last year and was replaced by Martin Prado in the starting Atlanta lineup, but I think that Johnson should still be able to put up a respectable line. He can most likely be had for little to nothing, and would serve as a top notch super utility option off the bench. Could be the Juan Uribe of 2010.
PS: I did not include Ryan Garko on this list. Don't get me wrong, I'm upset about the decision, but it seems like that rant has been pretty thoroughly covered in another post.
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Figured everybody would be voting for Gomes. As a 5th starter type on the cheap, he could provide very good value. We could allocate our resources elsewhere, and fill another with minimal fiscal commitment.
by Giantsdiehard22 on Dec 13, 2009 3:18 AM PST reply actions
TWS...
wait, too easy
Dodgers fans eat their young.
by redhornet78 on Dec 13, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Kelly Johnson: He’ll be a useful pickup for some team but I’m not that interested for us. I’d hope we’re looking at a bigger upgrade for the open infield spot and I’d imagine he’ll be too pricey for a utility role.
Jose Arredando: Out injured for next year so hard to have an opinion on him really.
Cust/Gomes: Both are stricly AL players as they give back whatever value they have with the bat with their awful fielding.
Atkins: Might be worth a minor league deal with view to being a backup but i wouldn’t give him anything more than the minimum.
Church: A useful signing for someone but I’m not sure he’s enough of an upgrade over Schierholtz/Bowker to make it worthwhile.
Chien-Ming Wang: Would be a decent pickup for the fifth starter spot. I’d imagine they’ll be quite a bit of interest in him.
Capps/Carrasco: Could be useful pickups if he cheap. Again, will probably be decent interest from other teams.
Scott Olsen: Not really interested as he’s been pretty bad.
I’m interested in Chien-Ming Wang but aside from that there’s none that stand out to me. Some of the other pitchers would be decent pickups on minor league deals to provide depth but i wouldn’t give any a guaranteed roster spot.
Johnson would be a good pickup if he came cheaply but i doubt he will. Some of the other position players would be decent pickups on minor league deals but again i wouldn’t offer any a guaranteed roster spot.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
I’m convinced Scott Olsen will become an outstanding loogy one day. Someone will probably give him another shot to flop as a starter, though.
It’s hard to say which one, because the best fit would be determined by the other moves that the Giants’ make. If they don’t make another move, the power bat of Gomes would probably be the best choice, but assuming they address their major needs, an all purpose player like Kelly Johnson would probably be the best choice. I’m betting they’ll both be looking for places that guarantee them a starting role though.
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I feel like even Gomes and his agent should know at this point that he’s a platoon player and agreeing to that type of role is going to boost his stat line quite a bit. Maybe I’m being naive and just trying to justify why a guy who could bat somewhere in the middle of the order about 40% of the year would sign cheaply for a platoon player role here.
Thing A
I fucking knew it.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t comment on Buck as he wasn’t on the poll but he’d be one of the better candidates for the catchers role.
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They could do a lot worse than getting Buck for a year as their catcher and #7 or #8 hitter.
An inexpensive alternative to what they’ll be forced to pay others, or putting it all on Buster too early (if that is a real concern anymore).
I’m interested to see which of these players Sabean had on his radar screen, because he made it clear to the media during the meetings that he didn’t expect any of the trades or FA moves he had been discussing to reach closure until after Saturday night’s nontender deadline.
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Dammit
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
If Sabes won’t go for that, maybe he really is willing now to let Posey get the lion-share of PT at catcher.
(Or maybe Buck didn’t want to go somewhere where his job was going to be gone by July.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, Sabean has boxed himself into an impossible spot for selling the catching job to prospective candidates.
Maybe, he has managed to luck himself into a good thing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Never underestimate the power of Stupidity. We are looking down the barrel of a 2-3 year commitment to a catcher (who might play as a back up at another position in years 2 or 3)) as we type.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 13, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Bah!
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by daveinexile on Dec 13, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Buck, Olsen even Wang makes some sense.
Church and Johnson are both solid players, but not really the Giants’ type.
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Yup
I’d take a look at Capps too but otherwise this.
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Buck, Johnson, then Gomes. In that order to me.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
I like Johnson a lot, but with Sanchez on the team, there’s not really a good place for him. I agree with Buck and I’d attempt to take a flyer on Olsen and Wang as well.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I would give Kelly Johnson Velez’s spot in a hart beat.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 13, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I want us to get Wang so I can shout encouragement to him in Mandarin.
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Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I don’t understand the Pirates, they really wouldn’t have been able to deal Capps for anything of value if he was making arbitration money? The Braves got a decent young bullpen arm (that the Pirates traded away a couple months ago) for an 8 million dollar Soriano.
Thing A
I think the Pirates have been going through a bit of what the first 1-2 years Rosen did here -Clean out the unhappy campers so you have a chance at a fresh start. Add to that they realy had nothing going on in the upper minors (not even filler talent) and spotty talent in the lower end and they realy did need to try and group as much team controlled talent as possible so they could try and havea fundation build on at some point in the next 5 years.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 13, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
mostly I don’t understand why they didnt just trade Capps, instead of Chavez, for Iwamura a couple months ago. The Rays would’ve accomplished basically the same thing and the Pirates could’ve kept the bullpen arm for free.
Thing A
Maybe Chavez isn’t good soldier?
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 13, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Nice.
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by daveinexile on Dec 13, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
My best guess is the Rays had their choice. But it is just a guess.
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by daveinexile on Dec 13, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
The Rays value Soriano higher than they value Capps, most likely.
Here are the numbers.
Soriano’s last 3 FIP: 4.17, 3.92, 2.54
Capps’ last 3 FIP: 3.16, 3.28, 3.90
Soriano is also younger than Capps.
Lethargy
It has me
but did they know a several weeks ago that they could turn Iwamura into Soriano? I doubt it. I guess maybe they were never all that high on Capps.
Thing A
Perhaps an arbitration-eligible RP like Capps would be harder to move because of the money, and they’d rather have a Jesse Sanchez (correct last name?) because he is a more fungible asset.
That way if they didn’t find a way to trade whomever they acquired (Capps or Sanchez), at least they would be cheap.
Lethargy
It has me
If Wang can be had on a one year deal for less than $5million, I’d give it a shot.
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Gomes
Those who are voting for Gomes should consider that he is absolutely beastly with the glove. Like, Brad Hawpe level. He is good for about -20 runs in the OF. It’s quite possible that makes him replacement level overall.
It does
But if we can start him in LF, then replace him with Torres in the 7th/8th/9th with a lead, that should mitigate the defense somewhat while allowing us to add an inexpensive power bat, which we desperately need. There aren’t a lot of other places to get power without overpaying for it.
I don’t see why that mitigates it at all, whilst he’s in the side his defense takes away any value his offense brings and it doesn’t really matter what innings that occurs. That argument only makes sense if you’re bringing him off the bench in certain situations, but then a player like Torres would help you equally well in the opposite situations.
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I think it’s more than possible it’s likely, he’s been worth a combined -0.8 WAR over the last 4 seasons!
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The reason I said “possible” is because of the lack of precision in UZR. If a guy is below replacement because he can’t hit, that’s pretty obvious; offensive statistics are reasonably precise. But there’s enough weird variation in UZR that it’s tough to say for sure just how bad a guy’s defense is, especially with a guy like Gomes who only plays 100 or so games a year. That said, if I were a GM I wouldn’t sign Gomes unless I worked for an AL club.
Wow, he has less than 1600 career innings in the field. So his UZR isn’t much better than a guess.
I don’t think anyone doubts that he is a butcher, though.
Yes, there is no doubting it not be an “ideal” move. Considering the Giants have some rather good defensive Outfielders they could yank him later in teh games when getting outs have more leverage to them. Like the Fish would do a couple years ago with Jacobs. I view Gomes best case as another G.A. Hill type.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 14, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Funny you mention Hill. I was thinking of doing a fanshot on your personal most disappointing Giants’ players, and Hill would be at the top of my list. I don’t know why exactly, but I always expected him to become…if not great, then at least an All Star. Of course, my expectations were far to high, but that doesn’t change how bummed I was when he’d strike out on a slider, or pick up a double in the RF gap that anyone else in baseball would’ve caught on the fly.
Clanky movent, lots of muscle, fast and reflective sunglasses use to make me think he was an early Terminator Model. A flawed player , to be sure, but when you first baseman are the immortal JR Phillips or Benzinger the team has to take chances some were in the hopes of cathing some offensive upside.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah you’re completely right, his UZR isn’t of a large enough sample to be trusted as true (he’s had less time on defense than i realised). The scouting reports do seem to agree with the UZR though as he’s renowned as a butcher and that’s why he’s spent a lot of time at DH.
It is also worth mentioning that he’d have been worth a much larger negative WAR value if he hadn’t spent so much time at the DH position (assuming he’s more than 10 runs below average defensively). That’s why he along with Cust should really go to AL teams where they don’t do as much damage.
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