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Could we be looking at a heart of the order of Nick Johnson, Pablo Sandoval, and Dan Uggla? Why, that's almost a major league baseball team! Brian Sabean wants off of my shit list!!

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heart of the order of Nick Johnson, Pablo Sandoval, and Dan Uggla

What about Mole?

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 7:35 AM PST reply actions  

He hits 2nd, in front of NJ and behind PODS

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

postion? we would have 1 1B/3B

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

position? we would have 1 1B/3B, 2 2B/3B and 1 1B.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m thinking Uggla in left. I’ve heard he doesn’t really want to play the outfield, but I’ve also heard he’d like to play for the Giants. With two years left for free agency, he’d pretty much have to play where they want him.

No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you

by rxmeister on Dec 11, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

You could be right though. Perhaps if they trade for Uggla, they might be more tempted to sign DeRosa rather than Johnson.

No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you

by rxmeister on Dec 11, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Clubs don’t necessarily care where players want to play, as we may recall from the Soriano saga. Plus, we might recall that when the Giants originally signed Ray Durham they talked for much of the winter about playing him in CF, despite the fact that he had never played there before (and given the problems he had catching popups while in SF, seems like it could have been an ugly experience).

My Bucardo is better than yours.

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by Roger on Dec 11, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I imagine that Ray would have blown out many hammies trying to run down flyballs in CF.

by xanthan on Dec 11, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Moon over my hammies. mmmmm

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by Giant among Angels on Dec 11, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If theyre serious about improving the offense thats probably the move that SHOULD happen.

Thing A

by sam23 on Dec 11, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

LF- Velez/Torres
SS- Sanchez
1B- Johnson
3B- Sandoval
2B- Uggla
RF- Bowker/Schierholtz
CF- Rowand
C- LOLhiteside

does not make me want to gouge my eyes out… well sans LF and Whiteside.

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by j14 on Dec 11, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

but will never happen

Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis. To pass the time during the offseason I decided to try my hand at blogging about photography and music.

by j14 on Dec 11, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 11, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Uggs and PODS!

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 7:35 AM PST reply actions  

I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

by xanthan on Dec 11, 2009 7:36 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe you should go to church so you can Neal and pray for good fortune.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

from MLBTR comments....Gross

Podsednik CF
Sanchez 3B
Uggla 2B
Sndoval 1B
DeRosa RF
Rowand LF
Posey/Oliva/Kendall C
Renteria SS

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 7:48 AM PST reply actions  

yeah, but the reality right now is gross as well. Bochy has said Velez, Renteria, and Sanchez might bat 1-2-3. I believe that would be known as your basic three up and three down first inning.

No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you

by rxmeister on Dec 11, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I keep trying to figure out which is actually the crazier notion — the Posednick love or the Velez love? I mean, these guys have actually spent their lives watching baseball games, no? They understand the concept?

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Dec 11, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Free Geno!

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Espineli?

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by leftymalo on Dec 11, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

#Marlins General feeling is Uggla will wind up with Giants. No deals are expected until after Sat’s tender deadline. Should be a quite day

Garko is definitely gone. What a terrible trade.

by xanthan on Dec 11, 2009 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

Seriously, the way he hit for the Giants down the stretch shouldn’t have made a difference. If, based on the rest of his career, they didn’t want to keep him around at that level of production or if they wanted more out of those positions, they should not have traded for him. Period.

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by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

"should be a quite day"

I’m assuming he means it should be quite a day and not a quiet day. By the way, why is our GM not capable of tendering Garko and trying to get something back for him in a trade? Other GM’s are somehow able to pull off things like that.

No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you

by rxmeister on Dec 11, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he means “a quiet day” since he mentions the tender deadline. Plus, that’s an easier typo to make.

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by capnk on Dec 11, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

This really pisses me off. Worse, it reminds me of the AJ trade. The amount of talent we gave up isn’t as devastating, but in each case Sabes touted his acquisitions as young players on the rise who’d improve the offense, then non-tendered each at the end of the year.

Either they’re players with worth (and therefore someone you should be able to at least trade), or you’re basically saying you just gave away prospects for nothing because your player evaluation sucks.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 12, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Could we be looking at a heart of the order of Nick Johnson, Pablo Sandoval, and Dan Uggla?

It’s sad that I’d freak out big time if we had this very average-ish middle of the order.

Thing A

by sam23 on Dec 11, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

Is that average? You have a high OBP guy, a high ave/slg guy and a power hitter. That has to be better than average

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by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

No way they’d get Uggla and Johnson, right?

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I really doubt it, but I’d love it if they did…..though I’d settle for Uggla/Cameron and could probably be talked into being ok with Uggla/DeRosa

Thing A

by sam23 on Dec 11, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

No, i can’t see there being any chance of them doing that but it’s worth dreaming about i guess!

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by GiantFan on Dec 11, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

looks like the plan is to keep Uggla at second base and move Sanchez to third. I think that would mean they’d turn their attention to finding a power hitting outfielder.

No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you

by rxmeister on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like Podsednik should become a euphemism on this site for something really awful.

Like, “Man, I had the worst buttpee last night. It was so podsednik!”

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by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes please

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Remember, the first D is silent.

Silent D: It’s like Soylent Green, but worse.

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by leftymalo on Dec 11, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised if they did this. Uggla and Johnson are former teammates, too. Hooray for team synergy. Unmeasurable, immeasurably valuable.

by fantastical on Dec 11, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

hmm, perhaps youre right

I guess I just decided that anything in between Bonds/Kent/whoever and Sandoval/Molina/Winn is about average.

Thing A

by sam23 on Dec 11, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Bonds/Kent/Burks FTW

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Dec 11, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Also, Clark/Williams/Bonds FTW

by KCE on Dec 11, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I miss offense

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

STUDZ

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Dec 11, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

/cries

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

goddammit why can’t we go back to this.
pretty sad to that Bond’s is done. They should bring him back for one day like they did with JT. be pretty sweet.

Now batting catcher Buster Posey
my dream for 2010

by sanfrankid on Dec 11, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Love the Hack.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 11, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

They did that with JT because he ended his career with the Red Sox. Bonds ended his career with the Giants. Maybe they’ll do it with Kent and Schmidt though.

No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you

by rxmeister on Dec 12, 2009 6:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Schmidt would have to throw left handed.

by tyrannoman on Dec 12, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it’d be above average as last year the average OPS for middle order hitters was 835, 824 and 780 for the #3, #4 and #5 spots in the lineup. Johnson and Uggla would be around average for their spots but Sandoval would make it an above average middle order.

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by GiantFan on Dec 11, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

please please please

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Dec 11, 2009 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

Let me Let me Let me

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Let me get what I want

This time

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 12, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s probably not super rational but I’ve more or less decided that I do want Uggla.

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by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

Assuming of course

that it doesn’t take Poseygarnereal

Also why the fuck did we re-sign Freddy Sanchez?

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by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

because he will have a career year next year, hitting 340 and leading the giants to the world series against the yankees.

by fantastical on Dec 11, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I like your ideas and wish to subscribe to your mushrooms.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 11, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah

He’s the cop that took Tim’s pot away and decided to keep it for himself.

"meh"

by SFGuy on Dec 11, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat

I just hope we don’t get screwed in the trade and that this doesn’t keep us from getting Nick Johnson. I also hope we do the smart thing and bench Renteria.

by superk1ng on Dec 11, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it has to keep us from NJ.

As you would have 3 IF positions to fill with three IF’ers

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish we could go back in time and not sign Renteria or Sanchez.

And go into this season with a Sandoval-Uribe-Uggla-Johnson infield.

/sigh

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

The fat jokes would be endless!

by superk1ng on Dec 11, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve hating the Freddy Sanchez trade/especially re-signing from the get-go, and right now it looks even sillyer (grammar be damned). Freddy Sanchez flat out sucks balls. Even if he’s healthy when compared to availablility/market value at 2B.
F.Sanchez re-signing was worse than Renteria og signing in my book.

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

been hating ( or bean hating) in english.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

ftfy

been hating ( or Sabean hating) in english.

by toofruss on Dec 11, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Freddy Sanchez is a good player, on a decent contract and is similar to the majority of 2B on the market.

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by GiantFan on Dec 11, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

If the Giants were so interested in Uggla, they never should have signed Sanchez. If the Uggla this is a fallback/plan B, they should have had a looksy at Uribe, Hudson, Lopez, to name a few, better, cheaper options. F. Sanchez is a bad deal to make Sabes trading of Alderson look decent; which is what F.Sanchez is even when healthy, decent at best.

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Whilst i’m not a fan of having both on the team they’re clearly interested in signing 2 infielders and don’t mind those being 2B/3B. None of those are better options and Uribe is probably the only one who is cheaper and that’s because he’s a much worse player.

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by GiantFan on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Hudson on a 2/10 is better than F.Sanchez on a 2/12. Don’t kid yourself.

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

When did Hudson sign a 2/10 deal? He’s a similar level player to Sanchez and will likely sign for a similar deal or more. Sanchez signed for market value or a little below.

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by GiantFan on Dec 11, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s unsigned. Just read that he’d be open to a 2/10 somewhere. And it still doesn’t sound like teams are knocking down his door. I’m not going to try and persaude you to my way of thinking on this, but F.Sanchez was a bad trade/re-signing.

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Orlando Hudson is not good anymore. He plays worse defense than Sanchez, and couldn’t hit his way out of a paper bag the 2nd half of last season. Why do people think he is the same player as he was three years ago?

Did they pay too much for Sanchez? Yes. But Hudson may not even start for his next team, much like he didn’t for the Bums after they got Belliard

by m34josh on Dec 11, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Sanchez signed for at least a little bit above market value.

2 Yrs/$12 mil is around the same as 1 Yr/$8 mil

His value is in his defense and his repaired knee would be suspect on the market.

Sabean was locked into signing him at all costs and Sanchez had the leverage of the $8 mil option- as these were the primary negotiation factors the end result must have been higher than a market result would have been.

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by dregarx on Dec 11, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Sanchez was a good player, for a bit. Now he is is an overpaid question mark gumming up the 25 man roster.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he’ll probably have a good year, but the signing still makes Sabean look stupid as he comes close to adding Uggla. He talked about being patient this offseason, and although he has been with regard to other team’s players, he jumped the gun with the Sanchez signing. Signing Sanchez has now eliminated so many other options. Which is better, Sanchez and Uggla with Sanchez moving to third and Panda moving to first, or Uggla at second, Nick Johnson or Adam LaRoche at first with Pablo staying at third? I would think the latter.

No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you

by rxmeister on Dec 12, 2009 6:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with most of that.

  My only quibble is what counts as a good year for Fred Sanchez? I think, best case scenario, we are going to see a lot of broken Renteria or free swinging Sanchez in the the #2 spot and both in front of Panda. I can see where it will be the 2010 version of 2009’s Molina ‘hits’ 4th.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Dec 12, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Dec 11, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

AKA How jponry came to terms with losing Thomas Neal.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Dec 11, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh no

If the Giants trade Neal, you will definitely be seeing a Grade-A meltdown from me.

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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Giants get: Dan Uggla

Marlins get: Thomas Neal, Fred Lewis, and Bob Dylan.

/jp dies

by xanthan on Dec 11, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT BOB DYLAN

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by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

At least we keep Nick Cave.

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by groug on Dec 11, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I like his LP record album “Henry Sosa’s Dream.”

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by leftymalo on Dec 11, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

No dealing Posey, MadBum, or Neal… I’d say Wheeler too, but I don’t think we can trade him yet.

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Dec 11, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

You are correct, we can’t. I don’t think we can trade him until six months before his signing date (he could be a PTBNL in a deal and then be traded officially on August whatever.)

That said, I don’t think most teams would go for that because they probably don’t want a huge trade piece like that to be in another team’s organization for so long.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Remember when the Freddy Sanchez trade negotiations were dragging on, and we were all like “Just do it already,” and someone suggested trading Tim Alderson to get him, and we all mocked and ridiculed that person, and said not even Brian Sabean would overpay like that? That was funny. Though not funny ha-ha.

by Evan on Dec 11, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

:(

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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s pretty rational. He’s a damn good power hitter, and he’s proven to be consistent in his strengths.

by fantastical on Dec 11, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

What would be a fair return for Uggla, from the Marlins’ perspective? I’m guessing they’d at least want Dan Runzler and probably more.

by Dan from NM on Dec 11, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions  

Only Sabes knows that.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t give up Runzler in the package.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

They want 2 pitching prospects. I’m assuming 1 starter and 1 reliever.

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Dec 11, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully they’re really keen on getting pitching as aside from Bumgarner and Wheeler we don’t have anyone we’d really miss. I don’t especially want Uggla but i’d give up Runzler with no problems.

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by GiantFan on Dec 11, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t really want to give up Runzler for him, but I don’t think I’d be super upset about it if they did.

I do agree that they probably want something like a starter and a reliever (Martinez/Pucetas + Runzler/Joaquin?)

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by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

And

importantly, probably starters and relievers with 5-6 years of service time left.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d give them Sosa and Joaquin. They can’t have Runzler. Why give up too much when we can sign a free agent who’s probably as good as Uggla?

No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you

by rxmeister on Dec 11, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes. But needs more Pods!

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I want to see Runzler get traded just to watch the freakout of the pro-Runz crowd.

by xanthan on Dec 11, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I HAVE TEH RUNZ

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by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

OH GOD THIS SCREWS UP OUR WHOLE PROSPECT LIST

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by groug on Dec 11, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Well i can’t see the Marlins trading him unless they get something in return. They shouldn’t get much value but they aren’t going to Martinez/Frandsen deal as those players are pretty worthless. I’m pretty skeptical they’d take a Runzler/Pucetas deal unless they really do like Runzler.

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by GiantFan on Dec 11, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Runzler’s awesome.

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I am thinking Noonan to replace Uggla in the future and Clayton Tanner…

Tanner is the only Giants’ pitching prospect who comes to mind who you don’t mind trading but also looks pretty attractive to the team getting him….

by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 11, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Would rather give up Noonan/Pucetas or Jauquin than Runzler. Any day.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

They don’t seem to have much leverage though. Everyone seems to realize they don’t want to pay $9 million to Uggla next year. Everyone also seems to realize that while Uggla is a good player, Uggla at what is probably essentially 2 years, $20 million (for his next two arb awards) isn’t a player that has a ton of trade value. Everyone also seems to realize that the Marlins aren’t just going to non-tender him. Everyone also also seems to realize that there aren’t many teams banging down the Marlins door to trade for him.

I’m not necessarily saying they’re going to give him away for free, but if the Marlins want to trade him, they probably won’t get a great package of players back for him. Runzler would probably be about as good a prospect as they should hope for.

(Now that I’ve said this, we’ll be trading Neal and Runzler for him.)

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

No, he will destroy for us

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

They don’t have a lot of leverage and they shouldn’t expect a top prospect but there are plenty of teams who would want Uggla for nothing. They’re going to get something in return and will probably get a useful prospects. If they believe that Runzler is that good (as some people here do) then that may well be enough but i’m not sure what their thoughts are on him.

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by GiantFan on Dec 11, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

But what if Runzler turns into some super stud closer?

by Hobbes2d on Dec 11, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I won’t be super disappointed because even a super stud closer isn’t likely to be worth more than an everyday second baseman like Uggla.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be… okay with this? I think?

As with any Sabeanic offensive maneuver, trading some prospects for Uggla would not be an unequivocally good move. A guy who came out of nowhere who’s already TTOing his heart out, Uggla strikes me as a more likely washout possibility than most 29-year-olds. And adding him would entail a game of positional musical chairs that could be problematic; if Uggla’s arrival means that say, Bowker never gets a clean chance, that’s a real cost (and I say that as someone who’s far from sold on Bowker). Toss in that we’d be weakening our farm system without really ensuring ourselves of contending, and yeah, it’s warty for sure.

Still and all, Uggla would help a good bit. Like Johnson, he is a guy who does some important things genuinely well — Sabean has targeted far worse hitters than these two in years past — and Uggla is not a guy with real injury question marks. And the idea of plugging an outfield hole with him is sorta tempting; his batting line last year actually would’ve been top-ten in MLB for left fielders. If he could field the position credibly at all, he’d be a real asset. Could he? No fucking idea.

The thing that puts it over the top for me as worthwhile (barring MadBum/Posey/Neal being Florida-bound): I just can’t watch these offenses anymore. I don’t care if it costs me my stat-nerd merit badge… I’m tired of being viscerally disgusted when we come up to bat.

So, you win, Sabean. Trade some prospects for fucking Dan Uggla. We’ll play it your way.

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by onlxn on Dec 11, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

I’m starting to feel this way myself. You have to wonder if an “old player skills” kind of guy (like Uggla) is going to collapse at some point.

On the other hand, Scott Podsednik and Mark DeRosa would be a lousy way to rebuild an offense. (It was hard to write that last sentence without dropping a few f-bombs.)

by Dan from NM on Dec 11, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

We’re only really on the hook for him for the next two years though. I definitely agree a collapse could come probably in the early 30s, but I think it’s not likely that it’s going to be in ’10 or ’11.

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by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Uggla would help the team, for sure. Just not as much as some other guys who will probably come cheaper.

He does provide needed depth, I guess. He’ll end up back at second, and Pablo back at third, when either Renteria or Sanchez hits the DL. Or gets released.

by Evan on Dec 11, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet Uggla would actually help in those next 2 years, more than having NJ at 1B for the next two. I just can’t see why, at this point in time and in their careers, a competent GM would want F. Sanchez + NJ together as a core of the team concurrently. It makes zero sense to me. And who knows, may be able to work out something with Uggla for a bit less than 2/20. Right handed power is sorely needed.

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I could see them going for both Johnson and Uggla and training Sanchez to fill for Renteria when this season ends. A 2011 infield of Sando, Sanchez, Uggla, Johnson is pretty damn good offensively. Just won’t turn a ton of DPs, which is ok when Lincecum just throws doublestrikeouts every inning.

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by fantastical on Dec 11, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That might be OK, but I really doubt they’ll get both.

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope this is true

Uggla is a legit 30 HR guy despite his lack of defensive range and would make this team a legit NL contender. I would hate to give up Neal or Runzler for him but anyone else outside of RafRod or MadBum is fine with me.

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Plus the Dodgers suck lolz.

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by RDreamer on Dec 11, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

>>Uggla is a legit 30 HR guy despite his lack of defensive range

Sounds like Jeff Kent.

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by leftymalo on Dec 11, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

he worked out fairly well, no?

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by RDreamer on Dec 12, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Please correct me if I am wrong

Sanchez is a great fielding second baseman. Uggla is a poor fielding second baseman. Nick Johnson is a first baseman.

If we get Uggla, then we put him at second, move our good fielding 2b to 3b and put Pablo at 1b and we don’t get Johnson and give up some talent.

But…If we get Johnson, then Freddie is at 2b and Pablo is at 3b.

Uggla has some pop but can’t hit but does walk. Johnson doesn’t have pop but gets on base at a much higher rate.

The Johnson option is much better, right?

by positiveuphemism on Dec 11, 2009 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

Nick Johnson has only been able to play even close to a full season 3 out of the last 7 years due to injuries.

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by stealth snail on Dec 11, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

“Uggla has pop but can’t hit but does walk”

Do you mean that when he hits, it goes far, and walks often enough for a respectable OBP?

Sounds like a perfect middle of the order hitter.

by fantastical on Dec 11, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean that he has an okay OBP because of his walks, but hits for a low BA. I value OBP first and foremost. I think they can do better than .360.

by positiveuphemism on Dec 11, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they can do better than .360.

I don’t.

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by groug on Dec 11, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer Johnson as he’s a slightly better hitter and cheaper, but I can see the argument based on the injury history for preferring Uggla.

by taliesin on Dec 11, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Uggla’s OBP is not terrible. And if history means anything, he’ll take the field everyday and hit some much missing dingerz.

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 11, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Uggla is a worse hitter than Nick Johnson on the whole, but he’s got a lot more power and a lot less injury history.

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by jponry on Dec 11, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah yes…injuries..the x factor.

by positiveuphemism on Dec 11, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

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by Natto on Dec 11, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

two tears in a bucket

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by RDreamer on Dec 12, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless we persuade Giants Brass to move Uggla to 1B, yes.

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by dregarx on Dec 11, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you no shame sir?

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by TexasRanger on Dec 11, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Plagerism

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