McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #10
by marcello on Dec 10, 2009 10:41 AM PST
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Easy win for Rev Runz. Here is our list so far:
- Buster Posey
- Madison Bumgarner
- Thomas Neal
- Zack Wheeler
- Roger Kieschnick
- Tommy Joseph
- Brandon Crawford
- Rafael Rodriguez
- Dan Runzler
For #10, we have the following options:
Each player should have a link to Baseball Cube in their first name and a link to First Inning in their last name if they are available. The poll will close Saturday at noon, unless it's clear enough to call, then it will be Friday around noon.
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PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH PEOPLE YOU THINK SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE NEXT POLL
If a name is already suggested, please rec the comment to add your vote for that player.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
So what's the deal with Chris Dominguez?
Why isn’t he anywhere to be found here?
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
He certainly didn’t do well but are we really judging prospects on less than a couple of hundred AB? I don’t really like him that much but he should probably be added.
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You can’t give up on him, obviously. But 9 walks and 64 strikeouts in 195 at-bats for a 23 year old in rookie league says to me, This guy will never play AAA ball.
Yeah
A college bat struggling that much with plate discipline in A- is a huge red flag. I mean, those numbers were worse than Crawford’s at AA, for which he’s fairly criticized for, and they’re basically the same age. He’ll be on the list somewhere, I imagine, but we probably have at least this whole group of players to go through first.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Oh without doubt there’s a big red flag there but we’re talking about guys 20+ prospects now so they’ve all got red flags. I just think with so little playing time there’s a chance that the scouts weren’t completely wrong and that he’s been than he’s shown so far. I guess i have more faith in a guy who’s shown something before struggling than i do someone who hasn’t really shown anything.
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K/w ratio becomes reliable in a hurry, from what I’ve read.
I suppose it’s possible that he thinks he needs to hit a home run every time and can be talked out of it, or that he needs glasses, or something. But it’s going to take a wholesale change of approach (or a switch to the mound) to get him into the top 25 for me.
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Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
The scouting reports said exactly what we saw – lots of power, a good arm, bad defense, no contact skills. They just forgot to mention the terrible plate discipline, because they always do.
I was promised lasagna.
By scouting reports i meant in terms of his overall ability rather than the type of player he is. He’s obviously been the type of player we expected but you wouldn’t have thought he’d have struggled so much. He’s not an international or high school prospect, scouts have had plenty of time to see him. And they on the whole suggest that he was a decent prospect and whilst that means little in terms of whether he’ll be successful at the major league level it does suggest that he should be capable of doing a lot better than he did last year.
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True, but I generally prefer breaking down scouting reports than looking at the big picture. When a scout says a certain player will be a good player, he is making two statements – one about the player’s skills, and one about his own view of what makes a good player. Frankly, I’m only interested in the first statement.
I was promised lasagna.
Are we talking about prospects 20+
Or 10+?
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Things Dominguez is good at:
- Dingerz!
Things Dominguez is terrible at:
- Everything else.
I was promised lasagna.
You forgot one
Things Dominguez is good at:
- Dingerz!
- Throwing the ball really hard.
Things Dominguez is terrible at:
- Everything else.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Toe the rubber!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Who says he’s not going to stick at 3B?
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Scouting reports aren’t too keen on his ability to play the position, aside from his plus plus arm. Apparently bad feet, bad hands.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Then why in the world did we draft him, if he can’t actually play the position?
Oh wait, I forgot we’re talking about the Giants.
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Jose Casilla — he’s actually the person I would vote for next after Noonan, so if you don’t add him I won’t be able to vote in the #11 poll.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Dec 10, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Brought up below
But worth putting up here: Clayton Tanner deserves to be on the list.
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This is for my own personal sanity, so I don't have to hunt through past threads
Guys that should probably be considered soon-ish, or at least added to this section to be rec’d:
Graham
Joaquin
Dominguez
Tanner
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 10, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps it’s just me but i’d put all those guys ahead of Pill on a prospect list.
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It's not just you
I would too, but Brett Pill’s family hangs out here.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Definitely. I certainly think Pill is a better prospect and I’ll start thinking about him when we get to 15 or so.
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Downs
should be on soon. The system is deeper this yr, but Downs jumped from A+ to AAA and the bigs last yr and did not lay an egg. OPS’d in the high 800s overall. A more likely big leaguer than, say, Darren Ford if ya ask me.
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by foothillsfan on Dec 10, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
I still believe
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No more Runzler. I don’t know who to vote for anymore. I’ll just go Noonan. He looked good the few times I saw him play.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions
Vote My Boy 10th Best Prospect in Giants' System!
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Dec 10, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions
NOOOONNAAAAANNN
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I put Stoffel here at #10, with Noonan #11. I’m a Noonan supporter, but by this time next year I see Stoffel competing for a ML job, and Noonan (if he’s lucky) advancing to AAA. Until Nick has that “break-out” year, I have to go with the likelier prospect (imho).
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Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo.
Noonan.
Again.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 10, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions
OK people, it's time
After Noonan cleans house this round, it’s time for Hector Sanchez to start getting some love.
- good plate discipline? check.
- power potential? check.
- premium defensive position? check.
- ability to stay at position? check.
- young for level? check.
- not fat and slow? uh… working on it…
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
I like Sanchez but i couldn’t vote for him yet. I want to believe but he doesn’t really have much of a scouting reputation and so all you’re going on is a little over 100 nice AB in rookie league.
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Sanchez
I meant to ask this on a previous thread, but I don’t know if I did (if I did, I didn’t get any replies or post it under a sensible subject line.) Does anyone have any scouting reports on Sanchez? Did he just do good in the DSL and then get promoted up, or is there some scouting love going on here too?
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Some notes on Sanchez from BA
• Was rated the #15 prospect in the AZ Rookie league.
• Strength is defense; solid-average arm. Led AZL catchers with 45% CS. Good receiver. Blocks balls well. Has made strides in game-calling.
• Doug Mapler, Giants Coordinator of Amateur Scouting, compared him to Bengie Molina (defense).
• Should hit for more power as he gets stronger. Soft body is a concern. Needs to lose weight and get stronger.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
Some stats for Sanchez
.299/.403/.410
12.0 BB%
17.9 K%
.387 wOBA
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
The funny thing is, all of that put together makes him sound like an awesome prospect. And yet, no one seems to like him. I went Noonan now, then I’m probably going Bucardo and Sanchez.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Yeah
I don’t have a particularly good reason why. I don’t trust his offensive profile and I don’t trust the scouts when it comes to their optimism with him. It’s just a gut feeling for me.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
then I’m probably going Bucardo and Sanchez.
Same here, Marcello. I was shocked when I heard they weren’t in Baggs’ top 30.
I expect both to make the McCovey top 15.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 10, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Easy vote for Noonan. Conor will be a close #11 for me, and then probably Adrianza.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Pill finally getting some love
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What about Brock Bond?
I know he’s not really much of a prospect, and he doesn’t have much power, speed or defense, but that .450 on base percentage certainly makes him intriguing. Other names I’m surprised haven’t gotten much mention yet are Craig Clark and Clayton Tanner. That said, I voted for Noonan, and would probably choose Stoffel next.
by crazedcrustacean on Dec 10, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He's meh in 2 1/2 out of the 3 phases of the game
The 1/2 phase of the game he does well, he does very, very well, but he’s going to have to overachieve to make it to the bigs.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
I feel like I’ve spent a lot of time bad-mouthing Brock Bond, but there is a decent chance that he develops into a Skip Schumaker type of player, and that has some value. I’d vote for him ahead of some of the guys currently in the voting pool.
Don’t really know why you’d choose Pill over Bond considering that he’s outperformed Pill (at every level albeit in smaller samples) with the bat whilst being slightly younger and playing a harder defensive position.
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I’ve badmouthed him at times but I actually do find Bond rather intriguing. I’m just not sure how well his skillset will translate to the majors. He’d make my top 20, while Pill would not.
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Bond…I’m not sure what to think of him.
Has never repeated a level, has always hit close to his career line (not in A+) and hit better in AA. OMG DODD!
No power, 2 career HR
High average patient hitter (100 point Ave/OBP differential)
Hit 21 doubles last year.
If he had more power (will he develop power?) he would be a great prospect.
What is his defense like?
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by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions
Defense is said to be pretty poor (by the Giants PP people themselves). Stiff, no range, weak arm (in other words — much like burgeoning superstar Eugenio Velez, but minus the VROOM). Baggs had an interesting write up on Bond in a BA organizational report in August. Amusingly, the Giants actually drafted him by mistake. They were trying to draft Casey Bond (who they took the next round) and made some kind of administrative error in the selection process.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
So he fields like Uggla. Is there any other position you think he would thrive in?
Do you think he could develop power?
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by say hey nation on Dec 11, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
I think the problem i have with Bond is that i don’t have much faith in him being able to keep a high OBP in the majors with his complete lack of power. That said, whilst i’ve downplayed his chances quite a few times, he’s an interesting prospect who deserves to be on the list somewhere and so he’s a worthwhile candidate for adding.
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Spots 11-20
I’m finally getting ready for considering some relievers.
Casilla, Stoffel (others?) supporters tell me why I should get on board with these guys. I might have put Ben Snyder somewhere in the top 30. Maybe. Does Johnson deserve some attention?
Conor, Pill, Peguero, EHire and Ford all seem a little, well, bench-player-ceiling-types to me. They’ve got VROOM, or walks, or “Dude hits doubles”, and /or defense, but untill they have a couple of “break out” seasons, color me skeptical.
Oh and bench players… are Downs and Rohlinger still eligible? Everyone’s favorite non-RuleVer McBryde have a spot on the list?
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Waldis Juaquin as well
Stoffel, Casilla, Graham and Juaquin all have big FBs that can run into the mid-to-high-90s.
Juaquin reportedly has a very good slider as well. Baggs rated it as the best in the system after the 2007 or 2008 season (can’t remember which).
Casilla has gotten fantastic ground ball rates, but hasn’t pitched many innings due to injury.
Stoffel’s slider has been described as unhittable when he’s on. He was the closer on an AZ team that had two first round draft picks out of their bullpen in 2008.
Graham is an enigma who lost his velocity in his senior year of high school causing him to drop in the draft, but reports from the Giants complex in AZ have him firing 95 mph fastballs repeatedly, so who knows? After his junior season in high school, he was considered a first round draft pick.
Bucardo has almost no love from scouts. He throws sidearm and has very little velo on the FB, but gets Ks and ground balls, although he’s never pitched above short season ball. I think the scouting community has serious doubts that his stuff will play at higher levels, but his numbers are fantastic.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
Ehire Adrianza
Slick fielding SS who the scouts love. Skinny young kid who can fill out and put up better numbers. Should be interesting to see how he does in hitter friendly Cal league this season.
Gotta be Noonan
Maybe Gillaspie next.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 10, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions
I don't get the Peguero love
I’m not sure he’s a top 20 prospect, let alone top 10.
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His numbers arent great, but the scouting reports are good.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 10, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Noonan
Yesterday I said that I ranked Adrianza ahead of Noonan, but I’ve changed my mind. At least Noonan has shown an idea of what to do at the plate.
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