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Post Winter Meetings Thread/Rumor Dump

Rule 5 news! I don't have time for a 18-part profile, like the Pulitzer-winning series on Luis Perdomo (you can buy the hardbound compilation here), but I'd like to welcome Steve Johnson and Jake Stevens to the organization, even if Johnson's here only until the end of spring.

Goodbye, Brian Horwitz and Ben Snyder. I kind of liked both of those players, dang it.

I'm pretty danged pleased with the Johnson pick, though it's unlikely the Giants will keep him on the roster. Same goes with the Snyder loss, but in reverse. I think I'd rather have Johnson, but only if we were able to stash him in AAA. I have a feeling Snyder's a much better bet to stick with the Orioles.

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I think I’d rather have Johnson

TWSS!!

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

Easy there, tiger.

He's not retired...THANK YOU!

by baybruin415 on Dec 10, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

OMG LARS IS TIGER?

does that mean jponry and the baron …?

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by shanghaijim on Dec 10, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

lolpunz

"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!

by capnk on Dec 10, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

lawl

Nah Lars is gonna hook me up with cool LMP stuff if he heads to Mexico.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 10, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Trying to swap some weeks on my timeshare as we speak.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not your Tiger, Wildebeast

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Today’s Twitterrhea begins now.

by sakbaum on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

Oh, the meetings aren’t over?

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 10, 2009 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

Not over till we Dye.

At least there are no Crede rumors.

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by bgunn on Dec 10, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Will a JPG do?

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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Due to an interesting contractual technicality, the meetings aren’t actually over until Grant says they are.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I know you read the fine print when you signed that winter meetings contract with MLB, but you really should have taken a look at the regular sized print, too.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away.

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by bgunn on Dec 10, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Snyder has gone from the Orioles to the Rangers as part of the Millwood deal and I think he’s less likely to stick with them.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

Wow — that ST reunion with his brother fantasy sure didn’t last long!

My Bucardo is better than yours.

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by Roger on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Trying to figure out why Stevens is worth a roster spot…

Puzzled. Does he throw like a bajillion miles/hour?

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

as part of the minor league draft, he doesn’t need to be on the 40-man.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

He probably isn’t worth a roster spot but then no-one at that stage of the Rule V draft is. He’s worth having to look at in spring training though and if he impresses or others struggle he’s got an outside chance to make the roster. I don’t believe he throws that hard, he’s more of a variety of pitches type.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

They have to stay on the 25 man.

by Missing Barry on Dec 10, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

So we are borrowing stevens for ST

then sending him back to where he came from?

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

He was taken in the minor league part.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait, there’s a minor league Rule 5 draft? I’m confused. I’ve never heard of that.

by Missing Barry on Dec 10, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

ML teams can pick AAA’ers; AAA teams can pick AA’ers; AA teams can pick single A’ers.

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by Lyle on Dec 10, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Allow me introduce you to our longtime friend, Eugenio Velez.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

ESSSOOO

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Most likely. We can keep him if he stays on the 25 man roster all year but I’d imagine that’s a long-shot. Sometimes teams work out trades so as to keep the prospect longer-term.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, from whatever portion they get the player, he needs to stay on the roster at that level. So we picked up Johnson in the major league portion, so we need to keep him on the 25-man roster at the major league level. We picked up Stevens in the minor league phase, so he needs to stay in AAA the whole year and not drop down a level for us to keep him

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, for some reason i was thinking of Johnson rather than Stevens, my mistake.

Stevens they don’t have to keep on the 25 man roster or the 40 man roster, he’s ours to “keep” if you like. As he was taken in the AAA phase i he has to stay in AAA though (I’m not certain on that restriction)

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

So I hear the Mariners are talking Adrian Gonzalez

Morrow is said to be the starting point.

What would you give for Adrian Gonzalez? Me, I’d give MadBum, and…umm, something else, not sure.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

I’m quite skeptical about that one as I’m not sure the Mariners have the top level talent to get a deal done.

I’d give up Bumgarner and a couple of decent prospects outside the big four. I’m not confident that would be enough though.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

We have a big four still?

Posey, Bumgarner, Wheeler, Neal?

I wish it could have been big Six…

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Well it’s not quite the same as the previous big four (Wheeler and Neal aren’t rated as highly at this moment) but those four are potential top 100 prospects and i feel after that there’s a decent step to the next prospects.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Big Six?

I thought that was pretty much average

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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

And there’s Goofus.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Sisters love Goofus

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree the Mariners don't have what the Pads would need.

I’m thinking MadBum, Crawford…

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

sold!

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

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by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Fransden and Fred Lewis

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Posey…

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Needs more sobriety.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I have to think that the price of trading him within the division would be greater than what the Mariners would have to pay.

Bumgarner and Wheeler.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

We’ll be “in this thing!” by then, so OK.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

PTBNL

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

He signed the contract on Aug. 17, 2009, but it was a 2010 contract. Does that mean we can’t trade him until next off season?

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by tedfordfan on Dec 10, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Morrow is said to be the starting point.

That’s nuts! With his ball handling skills , he’s strictly a SG/SF

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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Morrow is going to lose his head when hearing about this deal!

(too soon?)

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

NEEDS MORE FELIX ESCALONA!!!!

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by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

This is my first Winter Meetings Thread. Should I stay or should I go?

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 9:43 AM PST reply actions  

If he goes, it will be double.

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by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

It's the Giant Way.

The Giant Way came after the Safeway

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

This indecision’s bugging me

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Dec 10, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

You missed the lols from the great Q&A segment with Sabean!

You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.

by SeeingStars on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Even if we don’t upgrade the offense, I am confident we can still be competetive, “on the strength and depth of our pitching”

LOL

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Got a hot date at the mall?

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 10, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Picked her up after watching Twilight

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Walrusman in an orange jumpsuit… hmmm

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Over/Under

on whether or not something gets done today, Giantswise.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

3.14

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

WAY BETTER THAN CAKE!

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Sabe’s like cake.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

3:16

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by shanghaijim on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Matthew, 3:16.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Johandelrod 4:20

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s a great passage. I cried the first through fourth times that I read it.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

That is not surprising

You usually cry while you masturbate and Johandelrod 4:20 is a hot passage.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t like to call it masturbating. I prefer to call it a fluid release session.

It’s more accurate.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

You know, seepage might indicate a UI problem.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 10, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

arribe austin 3.16 Pictures, Images and Photos

These pretzels are making me thirsty

by NuschlerFace on Dec 10, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

“And the Lord said, Go Sox.”

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s the bottom line.

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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Great beer selection, and pizza’s improving.

by troymccluresf on Dec 10, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

50:1

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Dec 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll take 1:50

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

we will prob just send jonshon back for cash, or maybe the o’s dont like him that much and we will come to an agreement and stash him in AAA…who knows? rule V is all sorts of whacky.
and when did rule V draft picks start being used as add ons to trades?

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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t see why the Orioles wouldn’t want him back. He’s 22 and just averaged ~9 K/9 in AA, with decent control….

by Missing Barry on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Window to win

Shorter version of post at end of last post…
We have Cain two more years, Sanchez three more years, and Lincecum four more years.

Maybe we’re being a little too cautious about the players, and especially prospects, we want to protect? It appears 2010 and 2011 could possibly be the best shot we’ll have in a while. It could be time to try to go big in terms of a trade (although I doubt any of trust Sabean to make the right sort of big trade)…

by GiantJay on Dec 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

But some of these guys aren’t necessarily that far from the majors at the moment.

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by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s true, and controlling young guys is the key to an affordable winning team. I just hope that if we’re going to just make incremental changes that we make at least two of them, and maybe even three.

I really don’t think the following is out of the realm of possibility (in terms of players and money, not in terms of who Bochy would actually play)…
1) F. Sanchez, SS
2) Nick Johnson, 1B
3) Uggla, 2B
4) Panda, 3B
5) Cameron, CF
6) Schierholtz, RF
7) Posey, C
8) Rowand/Bowker, LF

by GiantJay on Dec 10, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

You’re kidding yourself. They don’t have enought cash for Johnson + Uggla + Cameron.
No way.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

They have enough money. They just refuse to spend it.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

You’re right. That’s a better way of putting it for sure.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly. And really, it’s hard to know until we get a sense of what Lincecum and Wilson will be paid…

by GiantJay on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats fine. Not a lot of value out their this year. I think Johnson/Cameron would be good.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d take any combination of 2 of the three.

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by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

although Johnson/Uggla is probably the least realistic combo

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by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Sanchez playing SS is not likely to happen, so yeah, it would pretty much have to be Uggla at 3B and Panda at 1B or Johnson at 1B and Panda at 3B…

by GiantJay on Dec 10, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

well

if the Garko trade is failicious enough to dump him, trade FSanchez too! Problem solved.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Freddy Sanchez is the problem.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

real quick here.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Sanchez isn’t going to be playing SS. If we could sign a pitcher instead, such as Duscherer, along with Johnson and Cameron then I’d like the position we’d be in.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Sanchez will be playing third, while Pablo plays first, Garko plays catcher, and Matt Downs plays second.

Watch: It will happen at least one game in 2010.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

How did we reaquire Garko?

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Somehow?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, definately.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, they could probably sign all three and keep their payroll below $100M.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Realistically, pick between a combo of:
Pods, Dye, Blalock, maybe LaRoche, and DeRosa

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Being realistic isn’t much fun if these are the choices! LaRoche is mildly interesting, but he’d have to be very underrated by other teams and therefore not too expensive. I have no idea about his defense, but he has some pop and until last year walked a decent amount…

by GiantJay on Dec 10, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Am I the only one who is becoming really irritated by the phrase, “has some pop”?

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

TWSS

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

When I hear that

I think of 10-15, maybe 20 HR’s at tops

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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

You’d rather it be “soda”, right?

by chilibean_3 on Dec 10, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

phosphate soda!

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s all cokes in Georgia.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I always wonder why NA had such a high concentration in GA.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I admit that I’m still dreaming of Neal beating the crap of the EL and then forcing his way onto the major league team by July a la Pablo.

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by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

AA to MLB jumps can be realistic

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Needs more AB's

‘cause we don’t know how he will perform. We need to know, so he needs more ab’s

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

if he torches AA, the way he torched A there’s no reason for him to waste any time in Fresno.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree. I was just dipping into my a Notes on Sabean Logic.

Yesterday he was saying that he didn’t want to have to start Posey because he didn’t KNOW how he would perform, because he didn’t have enough AB.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry,
missed the sabean tags.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

since the PCL is such a hitters league and launching pad would prefer they have a short stint if any at all in AAA.

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed. You don’t really learn anything about a hitter in the PCL.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Just as a comparison

Pablo, age 21, San Jose: .359/.412/.597
Neal, age 21, San Jose: .337/.431/.579

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Still dreaming of the future

Posey
Sandoval
Neal

3-4-5 of the order.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Boach?

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

NOT FOR YOU!
 
YOU GET SANCHEZ PABLO ROWAND!

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Rowand hitting 5th, awesome!

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

All of lastyears

Batting order-Player (GS)
1- Winn (25) Lewis(16) Burris (6) Torres(11) Velez (55) Rowand (49)
2- Winn (29) Lewis(9) Burris (8) Torres(13) Velez (3) Renteria (68) Sancchez (23)
3- Winn (46) Pablo (97)
4- Bengie (117) Pablo (24)
5- Winn (24)Lewis(17)Rowand (18)Renteria (11) Pablo (23) Uribe (16) Nate (16) Ishi (13)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SFG/2009-batting-orders.shtml

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

4- Bengie (117)

Soon to be my new sig…

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, Renteria with 68 starts in the #2 spot. The fancy lineup math says that’s where you should bat your best hitter.

by taliesin on Dec 10, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

A guy who hit two home runs all season hit third 46 times and fifth 24 times. Wow.

by GiantJay on Dec 10, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

4- Bengie (117) Pablo (24)

Shouldn’t these equal 162 or did we have no cleanup hitter for 21 games (or 138 if you prefer).

You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean

by bgunn on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

did you not watch games?

no cleanup hitter most games!

I thought Rownad or someone was in there once or twice too…

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I just included the most common ones. Uribe had a few cleanup appearances

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure Rentarrhea had some appearances in the three hole.

But it’s fitting that usually Rentarrhea can be found in the 2 hole.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

nice

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

4- Bengie (117)

Why does it seem like so much more?

"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball

by scout6 on Dec 10, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

That has a nice ring to it.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

with the way Neal ran the bases in AFL might even move him up

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

some say your best hitter should hit second

Posey-Neal-Sandoval 2-3-4?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Gitrdunn

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Velez would look pretty sweet batting in front of those guys.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

if he learns to bunt and walk

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

if he completely reinvents his offensive game, he’ll be pretty good.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

lulz

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

preferably not on the same pitch

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

and hit

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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Fifth spot could go to a competent 1B. We don’t have a natural candidate internally but hopefully we can find one externally, even they’re merely average.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Nick Johnson (after team option for 2011 is picked up) batting 2nd.

Thing A

by sam23 on Dec 10, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

vroom and boom?

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

if Torres continues his late blooming ways, that would be a good nickname for him.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

that would be

vroom and boom

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

vroom and bloom

lame joke made lamer by failtyping

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Sadly

Eugenio will be leading off, with an aging, hurt Freddy Sanchez hitting second. So Posey and Neal will combine for 75 RBIs and Sabean will have no choice but to trade one of them for someone in their late 30s with a .306 OBP but more RBIs.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Welcome back Bengie.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Crystal ball?

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Eugenio will be leading off, with an aging, hurt Freddy Sanchez hitting second

Not with Steve Decker running the show.

You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean

by bgunn on Dec 10, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

A note about Deck. If you follow his teams he often changes his lineups. He moves hitters up and down the order playing the hot hand.

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not a big fan of that.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

no way

find your cleanup hitter and write him in EVERY DAY

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but the rest of the lineup was constantly in flux. Weird.

Lineups don’t matter a ton, but it makes the players happy to have defined roles.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Andy Skeels, on the other hand...

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

my statement was sincere. That is why I placed so much importance when a player is successful at the AA level. Why I like Bowker, Pill etc

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I know

I just wanted to look at those statistics again.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

those do warm the heart.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I was talking to a Philly fan the other day about the structure of the minors and how it seems to have changed. It seems like AA has the highest level of talent. All though usually raw, AAA seems to be more spot starters and career Minor Leaguers.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds pretty real.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Realistic

I admit that I’m still dreaming of Neal beating the crap of the EL and then forcing his way onto the major league team by July bench a la Pablo Posey.

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Dec 10, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

THIS.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

These meetings have been meh so far

I get a text from my Sawx fan buddy asking, “WHO THE FUCK IS BOOF BONSER?”

How should I answer this?

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

I think Bocock is really the only way to answer that.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

It's really too bad he isn't a pitcher

Then opposing teams could taunt, “Balk Balk, Bocock!”

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Dec 10, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s the only way his bat could ever play at the major league level.

by taliesin on Dec 10, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Like at Kansas?

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 10, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Inform him that he knows nothing about baseball.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Come up with some outstanding fictional account about how he got his name.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

“Hello, my name is Boof Bonser. You killed my father. Prepare to die.”

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Dec 10, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, it’s Jake Stevens.

/Randy Winn

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good job, you got a smirk out of me.

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Come up with some outstanding fictional account

About how he got his name.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

Post fail.

first of the day.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

The takeaway from the meetings (so far)

I’d rather be bored than pissed.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Dec 10, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

True.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

at least the wonder girls were on So You Think You Can Dance last night

That killed some time

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by jctGamer on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

weather girls?

It’s raining 1B, hallelujah mother nature

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Weird.

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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOOT

Pedro will not be a Giant!

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

Astros on a mission to epically fail.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

holy shit that team sucks ass

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by jctGamer on Dec 10, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Sandowski isn’t a fail. Oh wait…………..

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

What a time to be a stos fan. I’d definitely be looking for a long, tall set of stairs.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Or a short rope and a tall tree…

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I haz a sand.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL ED WADE

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

How long will Ed Wade keep it up?

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully forever

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Dec 10, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

If it’s more than 3 hours, he should call a doctor.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

TWSS

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

From MLBTR comments
I can’t believe that Houston chose to pay Moehler ($3M), Lyon ($5M), Feliz ($4M), Blum ($1.5M) and Lindstrom (~$2-3M) about $15.5-16.5M this offseason. Talk about an unimpressive use of resources.

by KCE on Dec 10, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

yuck

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on Dec 10, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL MLB DailyDish
Feliz, 34, will hopefully provide protection for the middle of the Astros order.

by Gobroks on Dec 10, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Is he going to carry a gun and taser and escort them out to their cars after the games? Because they can’t be talking about during the game.

by taliesin on Dec 10, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Whats amazing is that he essentially built the Phillies as they are now.

Drafted or Signed

Carlos Ruiz
Ryan Howard
Chase Utley
Victorino
Hamels
Myers

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, that’s not a good off-season for them!

Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!

by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Dear God, what the hell is wrong with them. Although with that short porch in right Pedro might get some DINGERZ

"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball

by scout6 on Dec 10, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

right = left of course.

"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball

by scout6 on Dec 10, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Pedro will enjoy the short LF porch.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

He didn’t take advantage of Philly’s park. At all.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew he had lost some power

But for some reason I thought he did better than an 81 OPS+. That’s pretty sad.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Dec 10, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

He had a pretty good first half of 2009…

And… holy wow, a sub-Molina second half. Good god.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

He got off to a good start, OBP-wise. It didn’t last. .338 OBP first half, .274 second half.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Everyone here freaked and was all WTF GIANST WHY COULDN"T YOU TEACH HIM TO BE PPATIRENT when at one point he hit 302/365/432 in the first two months of the season.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=felizpe01&t=b&year=2009&share=1.58#1008-1054-sum:batting_gamelogs

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by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t.

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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Stunningly consistent OPS+

Every point he gains in OBP, he gives up in slugging.

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by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Hats off to Ed Wade for spotting that consistancy.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

That's a good trade off

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose, but when the OPS+ is in the low 80s it’s hard to get too excited about either component.

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by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

he'll be back

your 2012 1B

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Pete is happy.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s already been our opening day left fielder!

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Gritty

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Dec 10, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Good Soldier

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Surprisingly, the Astros SBN blog guys like this deal.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

In part because he has some power

Apparently they haven’t noticed that his SLG fell off the face of the earth recently despite playing in Philadelphia.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It was mentioned that his OBP sucks, yes.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Ed Wade

Because somebody has to fill the Littlefield void.

Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?

by tedfordfan on Dec 10, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Come up with some outstanding fictional account

About how he got his name.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

who?

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Johandelrod Fitzwilliger

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Cody Ransom. I believe it’s from his Lakota heritage, during that unfortunate post-poker incident with Buffalo Bill.

... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time

by shanghaijim on Dec 10, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Non-tender date

Saturday is the date for teams to offer arb or non-tender. Sabean will be looking for a gem with flaws or two. Dioner Navarro, Garrett Atkins, Kevin Correia etc

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

Garrett Atkins is terrible.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Navarro as an alternative to Downside as backup C wouldn’t be too horrible.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I wouldn’t mind Navarro, though he might get attention as more than just a backup catcher.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

BODY BIAS

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by jctGamer on Dec 10, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s never stopped wilriv before!

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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

There were a couple games at AT&T that we were laughing at Atkins.

"meh"

by SFGuy on Dec 10, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Navarro is the perfect Sabean catcher. Gritty

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Dec 10, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I anticipate some Giants interest in that guy. He sucked therefore he will be considered.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

thumbs up, soldier!

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by jctGamer on Dec 10, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Cap just hasn’t been the same since he put on all that weight and started carrying a beach ball instead of a shield.

Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).

by EliminateMe on Dec 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Me likey the Seattle GM

If the Mariners can inquire about Adrian Gonzalez the Giants should beat them to the deal. Gonzalez is young (27), talented (GG winner/40 dingerz) and available. His bat plays well in SD so Mays Park should be ok.

Sandoval
Gonzalez
Posey
FOREVER

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with you about the M’s GM.

Every move has been stellar. It almost doesn’t matter who they have hitting behind Ichiro and Figgins, even a mediocre hitter would pile up 100+ RBIs.Plus, that defense is going to make their pitchers look even better.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

even a mediocre hitter

I can’t think of a better trade partner than Brain! GITRDUNN

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’ve been impressed by him too. I might question bringing back Griffey but even that’s defensible in a number of ways.

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Ticket and merch sales.

by jewbacca on Dec 10, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Jewed Law

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'chaim

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually the correct response was

Jewlius Erving.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I really don’t like the Figgins signing and think they overpaid him due to a career year.

Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!

by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Seattle had a horrible team OBP so “Z” went to fix. Plus he had to replace GG defense at 3b if they were to lose Beltre. Tablesetting Ichiro/Figgins makes life a whole lot easier

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but they didn’t need to pay him almost $40M when there are other similar quality players available who’ll sign for much less than that.

Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!

by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s probably what, a 3.5 win players? Ten mil per is about right.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

it's the 4th year

that’s dicey on that contract.

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by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, but the final year on most contracts is that way.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, he’s not really a 3.5 Win player, he’s only been that good once which was last year. He’s more like a 2.5-3 win player which is still good but there’s a few players available who are of similar ability (Beltre, Hudson, etc) who aren’t going to get any where near that kind of money.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd bet on Beltre getting between 8 and 10 million

Just probably not as long

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by baetown415 on Dec 10, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

We’ll have to see what Beltre gets, he looks like he’s going to get similar money but like you say he might not get the years. It’s the combination of high annual value and 4 years that i find bad. He’s a good player but i just don’t think the 4/36 is market value for a player of his quality in a market saturated with decent 2B/3B types.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

$9 million a year is basically money for a 2.5-win player.

if they’d been paying him for his 2009, he would have gotten like $12-15 million a year. As it is, they’re essentially paying him for the kind of seasons he put up from 04-08, not 09. It was a good signing.

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by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, and that’s similar to his ability and so in a vacuum it’s ok. The problem is, there are plenty of similar level players who aren’t going to sign for that kind of money. Sanchez signed for $12M, Polanco signed for $18M, Scutaro signed for $12M, i’d imagine Hudson will get a deal in that kind of range as well.

It’s his last year that’s made people think Figgins is worth paying twice as much as those type of players. In a vacuum it’s ok but in this market i can’t see it as another than very poor value for money.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

By this logic....

Tim Lincecum is worth an annual salary of $29.52 million.

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by RDreamer on Dec 10, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabes should split the difference

and take him to whitecastle every weekend

by Gobroks on Dec 10, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Baggs sez that Pete Happy’s signing with Hou increases the odds that OO-ribe will be back in SF.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

I’m for it if it kills the Kouzmanoff idea.

by taliesin on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Sabean is firm that Uribe is still a reserve.

I like the idea, especially because the odds of 1 of Rent/Sanchez breaking down or sucking are pretty good.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Well my thought was that Kouzmanoff would be brought in to fill the Uribe role. But since this is the Giants, I guess we can’t rule out the idea that they would make him the everyday third baseman, even though he’s worse and more expensive than Garko, who he’d be replacing in the lineup.

by taliesin on Dec 10, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Garkwho?

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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

the versatility of Uribe is worth the one year or one year plus option

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, as long as they pay him in line with the average of the last three years and not based just on 2009. Because I don’t think it’s too likely he’ll be a 3 WAR player again. (Maybe not even total for the rest of his career.)

by taliesin on Dec 10, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I always feel kind of dirty

when I agree with Sabean. Especially when he’s firm.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabean is anything but firm. His body continues to move for hours after he stops walking.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabean is anything but firm.

TWSS

"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball

by scout6 on Dec 10, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

And Frandsen, to everyone in Fresno

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by shanghaijim on Dec 10, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i am with ya, im not against kouz because of his age and promise, but the good will i feel towards uribe for having a renaissance with the giants shades me towards wishing we could bring him back…
oh, yeah, and he is versatile

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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 10, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m down with Juan.

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you just Juan the prize for worst pun

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by Goofus on Dec 10, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m reminded of Juan Gonzanlez’s early days, when he was nicknamed The Juanderful One.

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by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh, Google has no memory of this nickname

But I do, dammit.

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by jcb9 on Dec 10, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Juan Gone….ugh

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by WalrusMan on Dec 10, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Bad pun is bad

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I would not mind bringing Jazz Hands back at all.

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by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t want Uribe back, he’ll probably go back to being replacement level and we’ll wonder why we wasted money on a replacement level utility infielder. It’s worth reminding people that Uribe career numbers are pretty much the same as the line Molina put up next last year all whilst playing in great hitters parks. If he comes back on a similar deal to last year then I’m fine but they shouldn’t pay him more than $1M or so.

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by GiantFan on Dec 10, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

OT -- Top 10 list on letterman

lol @ #3

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by jctGamer on Dec 10, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

THATS THE JOKE!

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Dec 10, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

oh yeah. #1 Duh.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Es bueno.

"…this thing which tells time."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 10, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

All 5 are solid!

These pretzels are making me thirsty

by NuschlerFace on Dec 10, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

joke...

whats the difference between wilt chamberlain, arnold palmer, tiger woods, and brian sabean?

Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 10, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

what?

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

They screw a lot of people

"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane

by Useful_Idiot on Dec 10, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, Posey really sucks

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Dec 10, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

That’s what Sabeans “people” tell him.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

did you see one of the comments at the bottom?

brrybndsbestevr2ply wrote:
To Brian Sabean: Trade for Adrian Gonzalez to play 1st base. Give the padres Nate Schierholtz- .267avg/.302obp. excellent fielder for large petco park, Travis Ishikawa- .261avg/.329obp to replace Gonzalez at 1st base and sell Joe Martinez as a pitcher ready to take on a full season in the starting rotation as well as replacing a soon to be leaving Kevin Correia. Sell the fact that both teams have pieces that could be beneficial to one another creating a more competitive division. Gonzalez would make multiple appearances in Petco Park allowing ties with the franchise to continue as well as filling a major gap in our roster. We the Giants have not had a playoff birth since 2003 and still have not seen a championship in San Francisco. If not this exact trade make a move to make us legitimate contenders the time has come.

wow, thats a great trade for the padres…

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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 10, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

i lol’d at this:

Gonzalez would make multiple appearances in Petco Park allowing ties with the franchise to continue as well as filling a major gap in our roster.

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Dec 10, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

i guffawed at it

Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

HEY PADRES TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SHINY PIECE YOU TRADED US FOR SOME TURDS

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 10, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

they just need a little polishing

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by natteringnabob on Dec 10, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

good god why would they include those players’ OBPs

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by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Trade went through!

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

playoff birth

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

C-section.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Born at in the ocean

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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Born at in the ocean

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY BEAT A RETURN LIKE THAT!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Dec 10, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I lol’ed at “playoff birth”

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by Chulk on Dec 10, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabean needs new people

by nataku on Dec 10, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

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by Natto on Dec 10, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

LULz

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 10, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

BWAHAHAHAAHA literal real-life LOL

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by shanghaijim on Dec 10, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball

by scout6 on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Best

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by Zetsuboushita on Dec 10, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

YES!!!

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by j14 on Dec 10, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

The Astros

need to hurry up and sign Darren Oliver already. God.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

They’re too busy playing whiffle ball with their new friend Happy Pete… Striking him out over and over again and laughing themselves silly.

by KrazyKrabMeat on Dec 10, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Hi God!

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by shanghaijim on Dec 10, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

The Giants have signed Marty McFly to coordinate their heritage nights in 2010.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

Way more important than getting a bat.

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't be ridiculous

The Giants already have plenty of bats. They are located with all the other baseball equipment in the clubhouse.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 10, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

But those are Murphs!

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Dec 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Oslo in the newz today

by wilriv21 on Dec 10, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I