Giants Decline to Offer Arbitration to Bengie Molina
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2009 9:07 PM PST
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PrintI liked the idea of getting a late-first or early-second round pick for Bengie Molina. I didn't like the idea that Molina could decide to join the Giants for several million dollars if he didn't like the offers he received out on the open market. Not sure how I feel about this yet, but if there was a 25% chance that Bengie accepted arbitration, the Giants were right not to take the risk.
Also of note: The Giants declined to offer arbitration to Randy Winn, Randy Johnson, and Randy "Bobby" Howry.
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I'd rather us not take the chance of him coming back
I agree with this decision.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I am semi sad that no offer was made to Uribe though.
Giants must be gearing up for Timmy’s pay day, mixed with the large amount of money that we will pay Holliday, of course.
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I don’t think he was a type B
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Type B
means you grow a cactus out of your head
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 2, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
In Japan and Korea, there’s a popular belief that your personality or compatibility with others can be defined by your blood type. Kind of like how the Zodiac is used in the states.
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that’s interesting. I’ve never heard that before.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to say how ridiculous
but it might be less ridiculous than typing in your name and your crush’s name into a text message to find out if you are a match.
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If memory serves, aren’t there some blood types that can cause issues if the mother is one type and the child she is carrying is another?
Aren’t there different blood type distributions within various racial/ethnic groups as well?
I’m A+, so I think that means that I get an extra large flower out of my head.
Yeah
For instance, apparently Type 0 is (or was) pretty common among Tawainese.
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I wonder how they feel about type Hh.
Also, as long as we’re mocking cultural idiosyncrasies, lets throw in the Korean fear of sleeping in front of a fan.
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by Zetsuboushita on Dec 2, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Robert De Niro movies have a profound effect on Korea.
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Huh… I thought you were just screwing with them. I just assumed it was about Type-A personalities or Type-B personalities or that kind of common categorical typecasting.
I had no idea this blood stuff was a real thing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Now you know why you’ll never have a chance with me!
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But my blood type is A-negative!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Well, shit.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
I am completely ok with this move. I wanted the Giants to offer him arb but for the love of god I didnt want him back on this team next year
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Shocked!
The 2nd Lincecum Cy Young’s likely impact on Timmy’s Arb case must have changed Brain’s mind. He decided he just could not afford both risks in terms of the dollars they could cost.
On the bright side
Maybe the threat of a $23M payday will force the Giants to wait out the market for once.
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So the second Cy was like a double bonus!
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 1, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
More Like A Double Curse
We have lost the draft picks we wold have gotten when Bengie signed elsewhere (and he would have) and we have less money to spend to improve the team.
by giantsrainman on Dec 1, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Pish Tosh.
I think neither a) the market for Bengie was going to be so great as to definitively say that he was a mortal lock to not accept, nor b) that a Giant winning the Cy Young is ever a bad thing.
I DO believe c) Sabez would’ve blown that money on a crappy vet that we’d all hate anyway. Prolly woulda screwed up the picks, too.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
So really we need to thank Timmy for getting rid of Bengie. One more reason to love the guy!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Bengie Was Gone Regardless
What was gotten rid of was the draft picks we would have gotten when Bengie signed elsewhere and the extra dollars timmy will now be getting that thus will not be available to spend to upgrade the team.
by giantsrainman on Dec 1, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
When will you realize that you're wrong?
it’s as if you think that losing lincecum has no effect on the team. It was already demonstrated to you that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to replace Lincecum’s impact on the team with a mere 23 million dollars.
Even if he was getting that (which he ISNT), he’s still worth it.
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No, It Has Not
An Arbitration award of $18-23M buys at a minimum a 6 WAR Player (Matt Holliday) in free agency and perhaps even more likely and desirable Three 3 WAR Players. These 1 or 3 players would be replacing 1 WAR players for a net gain of 5-6 WAR to the Giants which is just 1 WAR less then the net 7 WAR gain Timmy represents compared to what we already have in house to replace him. Yes, this puts us 1 WAR short but we have not even accounted for what we could get for Timmy in trade. We should have no problem exceeding this single WAR significantly with the players we get back that are still pre arbitration and thus cheap dollar wise.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
1 8 WAR player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 3 WAR players for the same cost.
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Not even talking about this specific situation, but in general. But also, you’re ignoring fan impact again/still. Which would cost the organization. OH AND YOU"RE STILL SPENDING ALL THE MONEY YOU WOULD HAVE ON TIM SO YOU"RE NOT ACTUALLY SAVING ANYTHING.
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I Hope You Are Right
To me $18M or more is the figure I definitely think it makes sense to trade him. $15M is where things get gray from me. Personally I think the right figure is around $11M and at this figure it would indeed make zero sense to trade.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
The problem with trading him
Beyond the PR and the whole “it’s theortically a good move, but the Giants would never, ever, consider it” issues, is that everyone would know that the team needs to move him. The Giants would get severely diminished returns.
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But We Would Not "Need" To Move Him
In the trade senerio I outline we spend all the money anywhere. We trade him only to get better overall.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 1:59 AM PST up reply actions
The $23 million is exactly the same kind of thing Boras was doing over the summer with Strasburg, letting it be known that $50 million was maybe possibly perhaps the price it would take, and then when it turned out to be a third of that, being all “Oh come on, that’s a ridiculous amount.” It’s nothing more than a blatantly transparent attempt to reframe the debate so that asking for unprecedented money seems reasonable. That’s it. It’s garbage. I’m not going to bother thinking about it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
I’d be surprised if he got 15M unless they Giants have been scared into over-bidding. It’s just agent posturing but it’s clearly had it’s desired effect among some quarters as there’s a ridiculous amount of talk for an arbitration hearing.
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I'd be surprised too
But I think it’s the fringe of possible, especially if the Giants low-ball (which, in this case, could be offering a “mere” 10M).
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But how is the timing of this going to work out? We aren’t going to know how much Tim is actually going to cost until January and Holliday could very well be signed by then. And you still haven’t explained how Timmy, at a possible 20-23-25-27 or 23-25-27-30 payscale over the next four years is going to bring back anything in a trade.
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i am not at all suggesting he be traded before we actually know what his cost is as I am still hopeful it will not exceed $15M and has a decent chance to be around $12M. However, if the cost does end up this high them this is the patch I think the Giants should pursue even if the trade has to happen first (this off season or trade deadline) with the free agent signings happening next off season.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
no
this makes no sense. At all, in any world. You are advocating that they get rid of the best pitcher in baseball, one who is still only like 26. And you think that would make them better. That is stupid. He’s not getting 23 million dollars, and EVEN IF HE WAS (WHICH HE ISN’T), he’s worth it.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
The Point Is That Doing So Can Make The Giants Better In Whole
If Timmy ends up costing us $18-23M in arbitration we should be able ot trade him for at least one 3+ WAR player that is not yet arbitration eligible and a prospect or two too. Plus we will still have the $18-23M to spend on 3 more 3+ WAR players in free agency. If we choose these players wisely (couple SPs, 1B, and OF) we end up at least a WAR ahead of where we were with Timmy. If we are smart I think we could end up more then 2 WAR ahead.
Now, if Timmy doesn’t end up costing this much then it indeed does not make sense.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Who would do that trade?
Seriously.
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Frankly, a 3+ WAR player not yet arbitration eligible and a couple of prospects should be on the low side of what we could get for four years of Timmy even with Timmy bing paid in free agent dollars.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
That would not even be close to worth it for us
this whole scenario is ridiculous and will not happen. There is no way they’re trading him, no matter how much he costs
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Now You Are Ignoring What We Could Get For The $18-23M On The Free Agent Market
This should buy another 3 such players so we would then be replacing a 8 WAR player (7 WAR better then our in house alternatives) with 4 3+ WAR players (each 2+ WAR better then our in house alternatives) for a net gain of at least 1 WAR and more likely more.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
That would be fun if it worked that way
but it doesn’t. Those players would cost a lot more than that on the FA market. Come on.
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by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
What a shame
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by say hey nation on Dec 3, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
$18-23M buys at a minimum a 6 WAR Player (Matt Holliday) in free agency and perhaps even more likely and desirable Three 3 WAR Players
Are you seriously saying you’d pay Matt Holliday 23M a year? Last I heard Holliday was looking in the…oh idk 100m range. I believe he said he’s looking for a Teixeira type of deal (8 year $180M). Holliday isn’t worth 23M a year sorry. And by the way Timmy is PROBABLY NOT going to get $23M in arbitration are you crazy? He’s going to get somewhere between the 12M range and I’d be shocked if he made 15+ i highly doubt it.
AND BESIDES Holliday is honestly not THAT great. He bats behind Albert Pujols for god’s sake and his defense is bad. There is no way Holliday’s bat makes up for his defense…
Now batting catcher Buster Posey
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have anything to say about fred lewis?
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yeah but we already have fred lewis so what can they really do about that besides releasing him?
I’m sorry but Holliday isn’t a 100M player, he’s just the best of a pretty lame FA market this year
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this
you are going to pay either value or a premium on free agents (except for the kind of scrap heap type deals like the one for Uribe last year). There’s a minimum rate that guys seem to get just by being the best guy available, that prices him as elite, even if he isn’t . Holliday seems to fit that to me.
This also extends to many of the “second tier” guys. Take Rowand…IIRC, fangraphs has him as being paid fairly. But that still presents some problems. It is still a large chunk of payroll that inhibits a teams ability to get an elite player. Also, just think of what the payroll would be for a team of average players who are all getting fair market value. I think we’d get over $80MM with just the starting lineup.
The place to spend fair market value is for those elite talents that you cannot find elsewhere. Fair market value on average players is a ticket to mediocrity.
Wouldn’t everyone rather have A-Rod and Sheirholtz rather than two Rowands?
Holliday plays pretty good defense actually
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BUT HE CAUGHT A BALL WITH HIS CROTCH
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i watched that clip like 20 times and I laugh every time
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No, He Droped A Ball With His Crotch.
I and for that matter all of baseball would have been extreemly impressed if he had indeed caught it.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
HE PLAYS GOOD DEFENSE WITH HIS PENIS!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
You just weren’t using a glove that fit properly.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
/golf clap
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
and also
he’s been worth an average of like 6 WAR / year over the past 4-5 years. That’s elite.
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Dec 2, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions 11 recs
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by Giant Voodoo on Dec 2, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I had a feeling he wouldnt accept it
he wast happy with the Giants these last couple months.
But Im not torn up about it
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I think the Giants were worried he would accept and have to pay him $7 million.
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well ya
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
He would have had a week to decide
I don’t think he would have accepted.
I am decidedly “meh” on the whole thing. Chances are we would have had the Mets 2nd or 3rd rounder.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions
I’m meh on it b/c the last supplemental picks they got they picked up jacks and wendell, noonan, alderson and culberson
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by say hey nation on Dec 1, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
From Baggs
Those sneaky Mets?
It was widely assumed the Mets would be that team. And if that were true, it behooved the Giants to offer arbitration in order to get draft compensation. But reports out of New York in recent days had the Mets scouring the trade market for a catching alternative to Molina. This could’ve been a well-timed leak by Mets officials, scaring the Giants into declining to offer Molina arbitration and thus saving forfeiture of a draft pick — likely their second rounder.
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what is the worst case senario for Bengie Molina? If he accepted, we could have traded him asap, let him play the first half of the season then trade him, ect ect ect.
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ect tu, random internet commenter?
Sigh.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 1, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
est thu
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Right.
Because in Latin, “et” means “and.”
Thus “Et tu, Brutus?” means “And you, Brutus?”.
Like “et cetera,” which means “and so on” et does not contract down to “ect.”
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 1, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
while you're having fun with all the correcting
et cetera doesn’t mean “and so on”, it means “and the other things”. As in the phrase ‘ceteris paribus’, ‘other things being equal’
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
dis, dat and de udder tings.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Which is why you say "et al" when instead of "et cetera" when it's a list of people
Becuase et alii means “other people” (literally, “other men”) while et cetera refers specifically to non-humans.
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I always thought it was et alia…
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Or neutral for mixed men and women? Can’t remember… it’s been a loooong time since Latin class. Father Carter would be so disappointed.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think so.
I think it reverts back to masculine if there’s even one man on the list. When in doubt, assume the misogynistic answer and you’ll be right the vast majority of the time. I could be wrong, though, it’s a pretty obscure rule.
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interesting
I think I’ve always heard et alia.
Of course, the people saying it could all be less educated in Latin than I am. Or every list was about eunuchs. :)
Actually, I've been lookin it up.
In Latin, it would definitely be et alii or, if it’s a list of only women, et aliae. However, et alia has been proposed as a PC version for use in modern English (ironic, since et alia means the same thing as et cetera, making the grammatical distinction pointless).
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When in doubt, it’s probably safest to bet on Roman misogyny.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Nice
I still have a hard time accepting that Cicero is pronounced “Kicker-o.”
Isn’t that church Latin? Or is that where c has the ‘ch’ sound? chichero?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 3, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Well, part of that is pretty hard to suss out, since there aren’t a lot of recordings of ancient Romans talking. :-)
Yeah, but theoretically we wouldn’t need very many.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, I thought the hard c was in Greek, which is why often nowadays it’s written with a k (Berenike, Eurydike)
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
Latin was never lost in Western Europe, though
So all the accumulated idiosyncrasies sort of stuck.
Besides, English uses the Latin alphabet, so we can’t really get away with changing the hard C’s to K’s (which the Romans didn’t have).
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Still, the Molina move is a pretty clear sign that someone else — Buster Posey? Yorvit Torrealba? Bill Hayes? — will be behind the plate for the Giants on opening day.
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by Giant Voodoo on Dec 2, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
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by jcb9 on Dec 2, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Makes sense. Miguel Olivo > Molina. Similar players, but one is younger and dingery-er.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
If this means that they’re giving the job to Posey for opening day or midseason fine. If fucking Torrealba, Zaun, etc. starts for the whole season then this is moronic.
I also have a sneaking suspicion this was done as a “thank you” to Molina so he could be as attractive to potential suitors as possible.
Zaun was offered arbitration. I doubt we’d sign him now if he declines.
I bet Yorvit is the one
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by giantsrainman on Dec 1, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Even if it’s Torrealba, he’ll hit just as well as Molina, be better defensively, and cost about $4 million less. But I’m pretty sure Posey will either start the season as the starter or start in Fresno and be the starter in SF by late June (depending on how much they want to avoid the extra year of arbitration).
after Timmy, they might be a little more wary about that extra year of arb.
The decision should also take into account how they are doing in the standings, and whether the extra year later means playoff chance in ’10.
Man, that just me makes me think about what a debacle Sept was with Posey. They ticked off time on his clock and still don’t know if he’s ready to have it start in earnest, or if he should wait in AAA longer
Surprised by this
But pleased. It would have been in Molina’s interest to accept, so I thought his agent would try to get him to take it.
I disagree
Bengie’s ego would not have let him take the deal. If there was only a 25% chance of him accepting at a $8M salary, we’re looking at a “expected cost” of $2M. The value of a 1st round pick + a supplemental 1st round pick far exceeds that $2M – and makes the bet well worth it. Heck, if there was a 50% chance of him accepting, I would still have offered. People still think Bengie is a good player – we ought to have taken that risk.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I don’t understand your “expected cost” terminology, and I don’t like learning new things.
Now that that’s cleared up, I think it’s entirely possible that the Mets sticking to something like 2/$10M, which might have led to Bengie coming back, butthurt or not.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Eh. It’s probability and game theory sort of stuff, but it’s not like we actually know any of the probabilities, so we can’t really use this mathematical tool anyways.
Lethargy
It has me
It's interesting
But it doesn’t really apply to a situation where you a) can’t afford the worst case scenario, and b) the worst case scenario has a reasonable chance of occurring. Like any statistical trend, it only pays off over a significant sample size, but most real world applications have a sample size of one.
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Indeed
This methodology does not take into account what we in finance call “tail risk.”
That was my thinking
His likely arb award would be in the $7M range. If his best two-year deal were in the $8-10M range, he would have to have a serious case of wounded pride to not accept arbitration.
PS
Would have been really nice if they had a wink-wink deal with Randy Winn – ie, he agrees not to accept, but the Giants get a draft pick at no cost to his new team.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF FAT GUYS
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Still got Sabez!
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 1, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Saw Cainer last week and he’s put on 10 – 15 this offseason already so don’t worry!
now skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody.
Counter-counterpoint
Fernando Valenzuela
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Bortolo Colon.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
David Wells
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Carlos Zambrano
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Jumbo Brown
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Sydney Ponson
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Eric Gagne (because not all sucky fat pitchers played for the Giants)
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
But pointiest counter-counterpoint evar....
BABE “DA BABE” RUTH!!!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I don’t really mind. It would have been nice to get the pick, but it would have been a lot less nice to be stuck with Bengie again next year.
The one good thing is that this really does seem like they’re moving on.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Baggs' wrote more about aribitraton dudes
He said probably no on Damon and Tejada, but Dye on the other hand…
Jermaine Dye? Now that’s a possibility. When I brought up his name at the trade deadline, and again in August, I was told that money was the stumbling block. Not the player. Not his declining defense. Not his second-half slide. It was the money. As we later discovered, Dye’s eight-figure option for 2010 would’ve kicked in if he’d been traded. And that’s the reason he wasn’t. From everything I can gather, the Giants like Dye, and because he’s a Bay Area native, it’s only natural to believe the feeling would be mutual.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
STOP NO STOP THIS NEEDS TO STOP NOW
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I will not be very happy should this come to pass.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve already written the post, and it’s just sitting in my drafts folder like an Abe Vigoda obituary.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
My meltdown will be pretty great if they sign him, I’ll promise you that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I see what you did there
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit, who is currently teaching Madison Bumgarner the art of being intimidating.
by Speedforthewin on Dec 1, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
She’ll throw everyone down a flight of stairs.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
I’m certainly not going to be angry, because it’s been pretty obvious that they want to sign him… It sucks, but it’s not like it’s a surprise
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
No, man, you have to stop looking at the red flags. Look at the other colored flags. Brown and blue and puce, for example.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Declining defense? What defense? HIs UZR numbers indicate that he just stands there while the centerfielder runs over to field the ball.
made me lol
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
well that was in AL
if you factor in the part where everybody in the AL is apparently 100x better than everybody in the NL, then he should be like Babe Ruth for us!
he also brings up Hudson as a possibility
which I haven’t seen mentioned much around here before
One name that hasn’t been linked to the Giants is Hudson, but I’d expect he will generate some interest. Sabean has acknowledged the possibility of moving Freddy Sanchez to third base, which could open second base for Hudson. And now, as we just discovered, signing O-Dog won’t cost a draft pick, either.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
i don’t get the point of that
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
well injuries aside, Hudson + Panda I guess would be better than Panda and Garko/Ishi?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I’d rather have Panda + Nick Johnson
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Me too. Baggs didn’t mention Johnson at all, but I’m sure we’ll hear his name connected to us again
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
come to think of it
my johnson is connected to my baggs
You have more than one?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Well of course
But that would make sense. We’re discussing the Giants.
Agreed
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 1, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
yes
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
THIS THISTHISTHSTHS
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Thanks to roger
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Fair point
A big problem with signing Hudson would be that it would not preclude also signing Dye. That’s like the only good thing about the idea of signing Johnny Damon.
LOL Baggs comment
Dye did wonders in Oakland. Surely he would do the same with the Giants. So long as cooler heads prevail, he is a vet who has much to teach the young’uns!
FREE BUSTER POSEY
Sabean recently has seemed to shy away from bad OF defense (e.g. Dunn), even percieved bad OF defense (e.g. Lewis), so I can’t think why he’d make an exception for Dye. But then again, I can’t understand a lot of what Sabean does, so maybe we’ll see him in orange & black. After writing that, I feel nauseous.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
Last off-season I recall him justifying not going after FA outfielders like Dunn (DINGERZ!) because of their bad defense, and because the Giants were all about “speed and defense!”. OTOH, it may have just been an excuse for being cheap.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
what's the opposite of the baggs symbol?
STFU!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
/wonders why someone would high-five another dude’s back
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
/worries about why delorean has five fingers coming out of his back.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well I think it's a stupid!
Maybe the Giants are better at gauging the market than I, but this is the team that gave a gazillion dollars to Barry Zito, almost a trillion yen to Aaron Rowand, and actual money to Edgar Renteria. The possibility that Molina excepts arbitration and is paid a couple million dollars more than the Giants would give him on a one-year deal was worth two early draft picks to me.
Worst case, he accepts, and the Giants have an average-ish catcher next year. Slightly less bad, he excepts, and the Giants have to eat a couple mil to deal him for something they actually want. Most likely, the Giants end up with a 1st or 2nd rounder, plus a samich. Mmm, samich.
They always could have dealt him at the deadline.
In the last few months, the Giants have given up or (potentially) lost Alderson, Barnes, Villalona, and two more high draft picks. That’s the kind of loss that can change adjust a farm system’s strength a few notches, to say the least.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Worst case, he accepts, and the Giants have an average-ish catcher next year
The more I think about it, the more I think that Molina is one of the worst players in baseball when his baserunning and on-base percentage are taken into account.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
He’s worth less than a win, because he loses so much of his value in Baserunning and (I think) defense.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
An average-ish catcher at $6-8 million, which keeps us from being able to do anything else to improve the offense.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
He’s not even average. He’s a 1 win player without factoring in the decline I see coming this year.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
I was being nice.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Niceness has no place on the internet.
(Sorry if it seemed like I was showing you up, I didn’t mean to)
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
Haha, no, no worries.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
JUST DONT EVER LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Batting runs wise, only Jason Kendall was worse
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
maybe
he’s probably somewhere between “average-ish” and one of the worst players in baseball. which makes it likely he’s overrated, so at least he can fetch something in trade. or bochy can hit him cleanup for 140 games with impunity.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
I really don’t think he’d fetch much in a trade.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
this is where i flapjack. i think a few teams would be willing to give up some value, but i 1) dont know how much salary would have to be picked up 2) i dont know how strapped for cash the giants will be and 3) this is the same sabean that gave away livo and russel for nothing years back and more recently gave up a good amount for garko and sanchez, while considering lincecum for alex rios and arguing all along that he wouldn’t trade matt cain because he knows his value to other teams.
which brings me to my question. what kind of contract do you think molina ends up with? anyone else, please chime in.
sorry for the garbled, rambling mouthful, my engrish box is broken.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Sorry Grant, but if you’re going to say that, might as well not have written the “…but I don’t hate the man, thank you for your time, now get going” article that explained how he was a good Giant but it made sense not to sign him a while back.
We know your opinion, and sometimes you’ve backed it up. Other times, you haven’t. But all in all, your coverage of him has been so uniformly negative that, among other things, if the Giants ever were to consider willing to let McC in as a journalistic entity, that’d be reason #1 why they’d turn you down.
He’s gone. I think the risk of him accepting arb was extremely low with the fact he was perceived as more or less the best FA catcher available, and hence stupid to not get the Mets lower pick (or whatever they could have gotten for him at the deadline). But whatever.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
Anyone who would seek the approval of the team before posting their story isn't a journalistic entity.
Reporter, perhaps, but only of the company line.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
article that explained how he was a good Giant but it made sense not to sign him a while back.
your coverage of him has been so uniformly negative
Bit hard to reconcile those, isn’t it?
Apparently you also have some trouble with the whole “The more I think about it” concept. Imagine that: Changing one’s opinion over time! Who ever heard of such a thing?
YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US, COMMIE
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
FLIP FLOPPER!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
Bengie was a great Giant. Right now he’s one of the worst players in the game. There’s no contradiction there.
See: Rich Aurilia.
I don’t see what your problem is.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
We know your opinion, and sometimes you’ve backed it up. Other times, you haven’t.
Uh, when do I not back up an opinion? When I’m trying for humor over substance, maybe, but do you have a specific thing I said? Or do I need to put a disclaimer on every Molina-related post?
Warning: Because of Bengie Molina’s horrid plate discipline, once-in-a-generation awful baserunning, and declining defense, I don’t think that he helps the Giants win ballgames.
But all in all, your coverage of him has been so uniformly negative that, among other things, if the Giants ever were to consider willing to let McC in as a journalistic entity, that’d be reason #1 why they’d turn you down.
Ha ha ha. Maybe that’s what I’ll write about in my next Giants Magazine column. I’M ALREADY ON THE INSIDE, SUCKERS!!!!1 I HAVE BECOME SELF-AWARE!!!1
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 2, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
The number one reason that we hate Grant: He refuses to sell out.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
The record company’s gonna give you lots of money, and everything’s gonna be alright.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
No more flippin’ burgers puttin’ on my silly hat
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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You know I don't want that
no more
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
It’s more of a buying-in process.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
That would be reason #9. Reasons 2 through 7 would involve drunken rants about the Giants not acquiring Ben Zobrist. Number 1 would be his weird llama fetish (you really should lock your computer Grant).
"It's too late now."
You could ctrl+alt+Anyarrow your screen too. That would confuse him.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
On the bright side, you would have more free time to spin his llama wool.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
he was a good Giant but it made sense not to sign him a while back
Molina is one of the worst players in baseball
Those statements don’t necessarily contradict each one another, you know. Rich Aurilia was a good Giant. Rich Aurilia is also one of the worst players in baseball.
I was promised lasagna.
Agree
The draft picks would have been nice. But the good news is, Bengie Molina won’t be our catcher and (shudder) clean-up hitter next season. And Randy Winn won’t be our fifth hitter.
Have y’all read Bengie’s blog? It’s interesting: all the fans chanting for Posey really hurt his feelings, but on the other hand, he really likes Buster Posey. Buster’s ‘humble.’ He mentions humility a few times, and then says that he thinks Buster’s going to be a superstar. What this says is:
Buster Posey deferred properly to the veterans when he came up
(But he’s clearly really talented)
But a guy who’s given the team 3 years of his professional life deserves to be treated with some similar deference by fans
Which we didn’t give him
But he loves us anyway (pro forma)
And wants to start next season and keep hitting clean-up
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
by Giantsfan4life on Dec 2, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
I really feared the ‘worst case’. Molina-DNW
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, it's not that bad...
Worst case, he accepts, and the Giants havean average-ish catchera proven run-producer hitting cleanup next year.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
lol fail
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
.315 Avg
44HR
120RBI
1.007 OPS
That doesn’t excite you? Come on that was only 3 years ago and he’s been declining ever since. Guys usually just stop declining and return to their career years right?
/jumps off roof
Let’s see…. he did that one out of the last three years, that means there’s a… 33% chance he’ll do it again! Right?
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
You're both wrong.
It’s 100%, because HE’S DUE!
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Dec 1, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hitters always have their best years when they come to SF. Like Jeff Kent!! The winning environment and gritty gamer attitude brings the best out of ’em!
Seasons will pass you by. I get up, I get down.
VROOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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STFU
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 1, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
This is a tad confusing.
Baggs:
But the Giants didn’t have any conversations with anyone in Scott Boras’ camp at the GM meetings in Chicago
Haft:
Sabean acknowledged that the club has spoken with Boras about his stable of players
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Maybe they spoke but they didn’t have a conversation. So, it was just like Sabean walking up to Boras and saying, “Matt Holliday” and then Boras said, “Johnny Damon.” and that was it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I could see this conversation happening, then Sabean walking away with his tail between his legs.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
And a foot with a tire-tread bruise on it.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Revised
Sabean: “Matt Holiday”
Boras: “LOL YOU!”
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
dannel73 (1 day ago)
she’s the best EVER!!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
I want to believe Baggs, but (the moron) Haft is the Giants puppet to the public. I don’t know what to think. Hoping the talk was about Holliday, not Dye.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Sabean and Boras were just joking about Zito’s contract or something
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Dec 1, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I laughed
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
speaking of Haft (nicely), he responded to one of my emails. Re: Fred Lewis:
I didn’t include him among the leadoff options because it seems as if the Giants have given up on him. Lewis himself probably wishes the Giants would release him so he could try his luck elsewhere. I suspect he’ll get his wish one way or another.
Whether or not he’s playing the role of Joseph Goebbels or not, he’s been kind of enough to answer my most of my angry, prodding fan-boy emails to date. The comment from someone so close to the Giants camp doesn’t surprise me, but it does make me want another beers.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
wow. engrish fail.
i should have one less beer or one less internet. i can’t believe i spent like 5 minutes typing that out and that’s what i came up with.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
we should go back t the discotech, you were about to have sex on that girl.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 2, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I asked him one about Bowker a couple years ago (before he was called up) and he responded with something like “I don’t believe Bowker will get a cup of coffee with the Giants” or something like that.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean probably just told Bora$ to say hello to Holiday and Damon.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
and Holliday, too
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Do 100+ comments
On a Tuesday night, at 9:00 p.m. in less than a half hour worry anyone else.
Not that we have a problem.
Let's bring the...
this is nothin'
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Or rumored to be injured, and Bumgarner being called up to start THAT VERY NIGHT.
ah, hysteria. good times
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
That was insanity
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Especially not shopping, eating out, picking out a tree…
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Hehe…you said eating out.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Economy
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure everybody was checking in to find out about the arb decisions. Ergo, everybody’s here at once.
I was THIS close to purging this from my memory, Bhaakon.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
What about this?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t believe Renteria is in this picture. LOL
And Rey Ordonez looks like a pedophile
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
A pedophile with a golden glove
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
NeckLOLaces!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Okay someone tell me this is shopped, or what the hell is the reason/source for this pic.
Let's bring the...
Meh. Needs Grady Sizemore with a mug of tea.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
That picture CANNOT be posted here.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
BALLS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
LOL WTF?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Why would you want to?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome to the club, Derek!
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Whoops, Manny and Ortiz.
Hey, here it’s 12:45 and I just got back from seeing the Pixies. So I’m cool.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
Whoa. I’m watching loudQuietloud right now. Weird.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
My favorite bit about lQl is that every single one of the pixies has married, or is dating, a woman who looks like Kim Deal
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
maybe she underwent mitosis. It is the Pixies. It is Kim Deal. Their awesomeness might be too much for one human body
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
Groud away.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Did they do all of Doolittle?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, whole thing. Plus a few B-sides, then a few tracks from Surfer Rosa (Broken Face, Vamos, Where Is My Mind, and Gigantic). It was awesome. The songs were pretty much all the same as the album, and they’re really tight as a band. Kim Deal is a lot of fun to watch, her singing is great, and she looks like she’s having a great time. Joey Santiago was trying to walk off stage at the end of the show, and she made him walk back on stage to take another bow. It cracked me up.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
Sweet
I’m not a huge Pixies fan but that still would have been amazing to see.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I was going to see them in NY because I wanted to see Bad Lieutenant open for them. In case you don’t know Bad Lieutenant is the reformed New Order without the bass player. They cancelled due to visa problems so I passed
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Dec 2, 2009 10:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I have the slow version of "Wave of Mutilation" on vinyl.
Commence groveling now.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Dec 11, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
It would more comments if I wasn’t completely rewriting every god damn line of this motherfucking story of mine, only coming here to rest my brain. Stupid story. Why didn’t I just write this ass-thing better the first time???
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
lol
It would more comments
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
IT WOULD! I’M RESTING BRAIN DAMMIT!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
How long the story? I’m rewriting a novel. Don’t have loaded firearms in the house, kiddies.
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Oh, it’s only about 5,000 words. It’s not novel frustrating. It’s just a lot more rough than I remember it being, and it’s pissing me off that I wrote it so poorly the first time. And it has to get me into grad school. And it’s terrible. Or, at least, it feels that way.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well, that does solve the problem of how I’m going to hide all of this exposition.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever section you’re working on right now, add a robot to the narrative. It never fails. Never.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
She just got cancer again. So this actually is the perfect time for a robot.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
you guys should all come write dialog
for my video game. It’s like writing and resting your brain at the same time!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Flagged for STEALING MY THUNDER!!!!
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MY GOD!! WHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR DINNER?!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
Cool story
I only just figured out how to find out what comments are flagged the other day.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well, if you do “Inspect Member” you can see how many flags they’ve given and how many they’ve received. I think that’s the only way.
I’m sad though because I can’t look at who’s flagged me.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Inspecting members is pretty much why the internet was invented.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
[Insert Sizemore here]
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so sizemore DOES matter?
"My friend once told me a story about San Francisco Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum. He said his cousin went out to a bar in San Francisco and saw Lincecum there. He went up to him to give him a handshake.
Lincecum refused. He didn’t want to give him a handshake. He wanted to give him a chest bump."
by Tim LinCyYoung on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
can you inspect my member for flags?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
So many flags that it looks like a slalom ski course!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
So many flags that the UN is planning to use it for the next security council meeting!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
So many flags that “It’s a small world” plays whenever you go to the restroom!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
well
how many members did you inspect?
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Well, I sure didn’t inspect yours, if that’s what you wanna know!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Oh, great, now this is going to become a THING. Everyone fighting over whether or not jponry inspected their member, how many times she did it, how big the result was, etc.
This is why there shouldn’t be girls on the Internet!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
This is why there shouldn’t be girls on the Internet!
Or operating automobiles.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Don’t be crazy. There aren’t any operating automobiles on the Internet.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
You’ll be sad to know that when I inspect you it says you’ve only been flagged once, by the system, for spam. Which really just means you posted a bunch of links in a comment one time.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
That’s really disappointing. :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
yeah. i figured you for someone who’d been flagged several times.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
WTF flogged?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, sorry. Misread.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Or did you??
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Wow, a lot of members being inspected tonight. I should hang out here on Wednesday nights more often.
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PENIS ENLARGEMENT PLEASE YOUR LADY TONIGHT
I NEED YOUR URGENT RESPOND
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IRS FRAUD INVESTIGATION UNIT
REAL BARNYARD SEX BANNED IN ALL 51 STATES (CANADA TOO)
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
You got a spam flag for this!!! Keep it up, mister, and you’ll be banned!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
God dammit.
I thought I finished by christmas shopping early, but these are links to some ridiculous blog about a mythical baseball team in Colorado.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
PURPLE PINSTRIPE DREAMS!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
NEVER SURRENDER THEM!!!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I just told my wife about that tagline
She looked at me like I was crazy, paused, and said, “They’re virgins.”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
LOL.
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
I really did get a spam message with that last subject line, by the way
It was years ago, but that stays with you! I really want to know what the 51st state is.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
puerto rico?
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060802081259AARPJlF
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
my favorite comment...
Actullay, no matter how many time we’d want Cuba to be a state, it never will be, for a certain number of reasons. 1. It is a territory of the United States. 2. Everytime elections are held in Cuba to see if they would like to be an independent country or become a part of the U.S., they vote “no.” Why? Because right now, they aren’t paying any taxes. Now, you know why.
Oh Yahoo!
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by j14 on Dec 2, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
Cuban freeloaders, that’s why.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 2, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
/flagged
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
I think I’ve only flagged one person ever, and that was on Niners Nation.
However, I’m sure my frequent sexual innuendos mean that the fuzz will be comin’ down on me. Hard.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
FUZZ COMING DOWN HARD!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Did I really say that phrase?
Man, I can’t believe that was inside me.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Sadly
only one of the “too many links” spam flags for you. Loser.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yet another Grady Sizemore reference.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
Some one call Percy Jackson!
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by say hey nation on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
finally, I believe we can all say goodnight to Benjamin Jose Molina.
And I don’t believe Dye is done. I wouldn’t mind a 1 year, incentive-laden, deal with a team option for a second. Something around 4-6 million.
This would suck quite a bit.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS
"My friend once told me a story about San Francisco Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum. He said his cousin went out to a bar in San Francisco and saw Lincecum there. He went up to him to give him a handshake.
Lincecum refused. He didn’t want to give him a handshake. He wanted to give him a chest bump."
by Tim LinCyYoung on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Please don’t encourage Brian.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Sabean wouldn't give him a one year deal
He would give him two with an option for a third.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
No thanks. Don’t want any part of Dye. I am sure he will get more than 4-6m from whoever signs him
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
warriors lose, Sabean does something stupid, Niners do something mediocre… I feel like this is my eternal Bay Area sports Groundhog Day
Niners won
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
SO THERE
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I continue to have been right about micheal crabtree
and no, I’m never going to let that go. Ever.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Until he demands a trade this off season.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
lol haters
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
This
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
Wooot.
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
And here’s a list of notable Type As who weren’t offered arbitration, thus making them instantly more attractive to the Giants: Orlando Hudson, Placido Polanco, Miguel Tejada, Johnny Damon, Jermaine Dye, Octavio Dotel, Darren Oliver, Randy Wolf.
/sobs
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That’s a scary list.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
What's really scary about it.
You could put them in a lineup and outscore the 2008 Giants.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Awesome. Throw in Byrnsie and we’re choosing from a selection of A’s outfielders from 2002.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I hope not.
I couldn’t enjoy my Chardonnay or hear my ring tone with that churlish cacophony filling the stadium.
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Even if it was only half as long, it’d be terrifying. I don’t know if I can handle one this long.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
There is no way that wasnt on purpose
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
And it’s just dangling out there…
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Darren Oliver is a Type A free agent still playing baseball?
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis. To pass the time during the offseason I decided to try my hand at blogging about photography and music.
by j14 on Dec 2, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
He’s inside of Placido’s cranium
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 1, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
bukkake?
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For some reason, I didn’t think a thread about Bengie Molina not being offered arbitration would be this disturbing. Then again, I should know what site I’m on.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 1, 2009 10:18 PM PST reply actions
This site could make Peter North blush
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Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Is he a member that needs to be checked?
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
No, hes already been checked.
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Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
What does a 17 year old know about Peter North?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
A 17-year-old probably watches at least enough porn to know about Peter North’s legendary pop-shots.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Im his stunt double
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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Official McPokeMaster
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah right. Fluff much?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, that was mean.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
You can reach me by messaging WalrusMan. I hacked into his special address book.
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Why would you want his special address book?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 6:40 AM PST up reply actions
Too much
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Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
This thread is making it really hard to concentrate on my upcoming stats midterm. However, I choose to put the blame on The Giants choosing not to offer Molina Arb.
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit, who is currently teaching Madison Bumgarner the art of being intimidating.
When you fail
You should tell the professor that you’re a Giants fan. That should get you some sort of affirmative action-type extra credit in a stats class.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I have two teachers who are as die-hard Giants fans as me
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
and chronic depression
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Also, Tim Lincecum
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Official McPokeMaster
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
That part of being a Giants fan gets mocked by my gf all the time, as she is a Yankees fan
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
If that was the only question on the test, i’d be happy.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
My bios stats teacher had an open book test b/c" we wont have to know the formulas in real life, so why should we memorize them for a test!" I went through the exam with the glossary…The class average was 96. Someone got a 78.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
First, it is a masters level course. Second its more stats application that how stats derived.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
Plus I have learned a lot
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
Nice! honestly, i agree, when in the hell do we need to know these formulas unless we’re going for a job that concerns something in stats… Like currently, i am doing absolutely nothing that concerns any of the formulas i learned in Calc last year…
Hey, you never know. I use calculus at work sometimes (once I even had to do integration by parts!) and stats and linear algebra all the time.
oh nice, i just hope i don’t have to use it much in the future, and if i do, that’s what the internet is for
WIKIPEDIA TAUGHT ME!
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
The funny thing is I actually use Wikipedia at work frequently to look up various mathematical terms and concepts. It’s really pretty useful for all kinds of math and science info.
Good call. It’s been a few years since I took calculus, so whenever friends ask for help, i refresh my memory of integration by parts and the like by looking the concept up on wikipedia
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
As long as you know the basis of what your looking up it can be useful as a starter. I never trust it, but it does help me to get headed in the right direction.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Some professors actually tell us to use wikipedia to find information because they use sources clearly seen at the bottom of the page.
None of my professors.
But then, there’s alot of purposeful vandalism on the history pages.
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Same general concept for my class. Open book, open note. Only the class average on the first test was 32.5/50
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions
wow, well some professors just do that, have an open book but they require you to use your head instead of what’s written in the book
I’ve had tests like that, but that wasn’t it. there’s typically less than 50% attendance to class. It was lack of preparedness.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
wow, that’s pretty pathetic in my opinion, nobody showed up to class? i’ve done that before and that fucks you over so much
to be fair, I’ve had about 60% attendance. However, I’ve taken one stats class before, so some of this is review for me. Mainly, the professor tries to make the material interesting by using gambling and past elections as examples, but the material is so dry.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
In the words of my former classmate, “Its like watching a quadriplegic swim”
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Yea, if it’s just review then you should be straight i agree. I find alot of my classes pretty interesting, such as the class i’m in now, Climatology, all we do is talk about tornados and look at radar maps, it’s actually pretty interesting, but it’s something i want to do and have been studying for a while
Yeah, one of my other classes, epigenetics, is very interesting and I enjoy it. We’ve been learning about cutting edge research going on in transcription regulation and heritable epigenetic marks.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
but i’m working on applying to Ph.d programs in genetics right now
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I enjoy the research, though sometimes it’s frustrating. How about you, what are you studying?
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yea i bet, i’m geography, so i’m all about studying pretty much anything that happens on earth physically. i kinda enjoy it, to me it’s pretty easy.
I’ve learned during my time in college that what seems easy within your major seems difficult to everyone else.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yea, that’s so true, like with people thinking calc and math is easy yet i find it so damn difficult
yeah. Calc isn’t so bad for me, but i’m a math minor, so that makes sense.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't understand calculus
until I took quantum chemistry
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
I thought about going the Phd route. Then I rewalized its easier to get a lab as a MD than a a Phd
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t have the drive to go to med school
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Easier than a Phd though.
MD/PHD programs ~ 7 years (they push you through and set you up with your Phd)
PHD~7 years
You also make like 5x as much money.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
tl;dr
Seems like a dumb move by the FO as the risk is extremely low.
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You missed all the checking of members
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
I’m curious now about what the Mets will offer. Reports Haft:
But the Giants’ braintrust concluded that some risk exists that Molina might opt for arbitration. Molina is coming off a three-year, $16 million contract that paid him a base salary of $6 million last season, and he almost surely would receive a handsome raise in arbitration — perhaps approaching or even exceeding the value of some two-year contract offers he might receive.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
This was the safe move
We didn’t get all that we could of, but we didn’t get screwed either.
I’m OK going the safe route on this one.
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Anyone think he would’ve been worth offering arbitration to? Someone will sign him, and he did have a pretty good year with the exception of a couple bad stretches so getting stuck with him wouldn’t have been the worst thing in the world
I wouldn't mind him returning.
He probably would have made about a million too much in arbitration, though, and I’m completely sure he would have accepted.
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I did want arbitration offered to him.
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by BruteSentiment on Dec 2, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
i was hoping we would at least offer him arbitration
I’m one of the few people on this site that still likes him
Hey, I’m late to the party, but relieved… offering Benjie arbitration seemed like stealing third with two outs to me – if it works, fine, but if you get thrown out there’s going to be a shit storm.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 1, 2009 11:24 PM PST reply actions
Reminds me of that time when Grissom tried to steal third off Irod in the playoffs.
WHY YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER? STAY ON GOD DAMN SECOND BASE!!!1 YOU WERE ALREADY IN SCORING POSITION YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT.111
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Good for Bengie
Offering Bengie Arb would’ve seriously diminished his market. The Giants did a nice thing. Since Bengie doesn’t cost a draft pick now, he will get the money of a cleanup-hitting catcher (even if he isn’t) that doesn’t cost a draft pick. I don’t blame Bengie for batting 4th in a terrible lineup, and I’m happy that he gets to reap the rewards for playing hacking through a dismal situation.
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by Classy_Argonaut on Dec 1, 2009 11:41 PM PST reply actions
If anybody really wants to read horrible comments, go check out the comments on the sfgate page of this story.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
You mean something like this?
Buster Poseur is not going to help the Giants for the foreseeable future. Lincecum will sustain severe and early neck injury shaking this guy off.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
Pretty much
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Of interest, on the topic of relief pitchers...
The value of relief pitchers has been hotly debated the past few days, so here’s a nugget to consider.
9 Type A free agents were offered arbitration, for the rewards and risks. 4 were relief pitchers (Mike Gonzalez, Rafael Soriano, Jose Valverde and Rafael Betancourt). Seems like teams are more likely to take the risks on them, or are more interested in keeping them despite their volatility.
(The others offered arbitration, BTW, are Chone Figgins, Marco Scutaro, Jason Bay, Matt Holliday and John Lackey.)
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Their volitility lends itself to the arbitration process.
Or, rather, one year contracts.
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The Much Smaller Dollars At Risk If They Accept Has Alot To Do With This.
by giantsrainman on Dec 2, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly. There wasn’t much risk to the Braves, Astros, and Rockies in offerring arb to these relievers bccuse their salaries in 09 were relatively low. Also, they were betting that the trend in arb in not valuing relievers very highly would continue.
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Ah, I missed that in the list
5 out of 10, then.
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by BruteSentiment on Dec 2, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Giants did the right thing here. If multiple teams were showing interest in Bengie it would be one thing, but when it’s only one team, it could easily go wrong. The Mets just signed Chris Coste yesterday and already have Omir Santos and a kid they love at AA. It was just too risky.
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by rxmeister on Dec 2, 2009 4:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I didn’t like the idea that Molina could decide to join the Giants for several million dollars if he didn’t like the offers he received out on the open market.
I totally disagree wiht this assertion. Molina would have to make his decision within 1 week. That’s nowhere near enough time for him to judge the interest of all the teams that might like to sign him on the open market. The exact same thing happened to several FAs last year (Veritek, Hudson, Cabrera, ManRam, …) and they ended up getting much less in a 1-year deal than they would have gotten if they had accepted arb. Besides, everybody knows that the most important thing to Bengie was that he would be on a team where he was respected and where he didn’t have to really compete for the starting job, and had a multi-year deal.
It would be very easy for Sabes to make it clear to Molina that he wouldn’t be given any playing time with the Giants within that 1 week time frame. All he would have to do would be to give an interview statting that it was Buster’s job to lose in Spring Training, and sign a veteran back-up on the cheap. Bengie’s ego would be so hurt that he would never think of accepting arb.
Here’s the final argument. Worst case, Molina accepts arb and signs a 1 year deal for around $8M (this is worst case). Sabes quickly turns around and trades him to the Mets or Padres or Mariners or Bosox or some such team for a prospect or 2 and eats $2-3M of his contract. QED. That’s not a bad risk to take and it wouldn’t break the Giants’ salary structure.
But, as I asserted above, the odds of Bengie accepting arb in the 1 week time frame was miniscule. Everybody knows that he’s an eternal optimist with no critical judgment – he always believes the next pitch to him will be right don’t the middle even when everybody else knows it’ll be a slider 2 feet off the plate. A good GM is like a good poker player – he knows how to read his opponents, when to bluff, when the opponent is bluffing and when to go all in. This is just another in a long line of examples over the last 7 years that Sabean is no longer a good GM.
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The exact same thing happened to several FAs last year (Veritek, Hudson, Cabrera, ManRam, …) and they ended up getting much less in a 1-year deal than they would have gotten if they had accepted arb.
Don’t you think its reasonable to expect that what happened to those guys last year will have some influence on the decision making of the guys this year?
Thing A
Sure, in the rational world and with a rational person it would be logical to learn from the recent past. But, anybody that knows ballplayers, and Bengie in particular, knows that the vast majority of them don’t live in the rational world. Even saying that, I would agree that if Bengie had months to consider his response he would likely accept arb if he was getting no good multi-year offers, but he would have only 1 week to decide. That’s not long enough for his agent to reason with his ego. Especially since Sabean could easily poison the water by stating that Bengie has no chance for more than a few innings of playing time. Bengie is way too proud to accept a situation like that – money has never been the driving factor in his career.
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As Sam said the fact a number of players got burnt last year means that players and their agents are going to be a lot more open to accepting arbitration that they were before, just as teams are more cautious about offering it. Secondly your worst case is incorrect as we wouldn’t be able to trade him until June so wouldn’t be able to trade him straight away.
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I totally disagee with the last part of your post
Sabean was never a good GM.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
I am more concerned about the WH security issue.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
what’s the over/under on secret service guys reassigned/fired?
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
It hasn’t already happened?
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
I haven’t looked. If I had to guess, I’d go 3
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
None
if we fired them, they’d just sneak back in
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 2, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
not the secret service’s fault in any way, checking invitations is not in their job description at all. That’s completely on the social office. That said, yea, its pretty safe to assume the secret service will continue to shoulder the lion’s share of the blame.
Thing A
So the its not the SS job to make sure only the people who are supposed to be in the WH get the WH?
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
during an event like that? No, actually its the social office’s job to check invitations, while its the secret service’s job to provide security. Think of the secret service as the guys at the metal detectors at the airport, while the social office is the person checking your ticket and I.D. before you get to them. Sure the secret service is responsible for people literally sneaking into the WH, but they are security, not ticket checkers. They’ve already screened everyone on the guest list that the social office has submitted to them. I’ve got good friends/family with experience in both the social office and the secret service they both agree this one falls squarely on the social office.
Thing A
Doesn’t security involve keeping uninvited people out?
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think I can explain it any other way than how I just did. Its simply not the secret service’s job to collect invitations and check names off on a clipboard. They ensured that the Salahis didn’t pose a security threat.
Thing A
But the Social Office wasn’t at the gate. So they should just let anyone in? I mean if they where both at the gate sure, I would by your answer. And I buy that the Social Office is responsible. However, the SS shouldn’t really on someone else to do their job and should check that people should be there.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
But the Social Office wasn’t at the gate.
I think you just found the problem. Also they didn’t really rely on someone else to do their job as the Salahis were screened, and nobody was ever in any danger.
Thing A
Bottom line. Something needs to be done.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
yea, but if its consistently been the responsibility of the social office to have people (usually including the social secretary at a large state dinner) at the gates to check guests in and they failed to do so this time and uninvited guests got in for the the first time in recent history that we know of, then why is it that the secret service seems to be shouldering the bulk of the blame? My guess is that its because the secret service is an apolitical entity that isn’t headed up by a close a personal friend of the president. Allowing the blame to fall in the wrong place may be as bad as doing nothing.
Thing A
I’m just laughing at the voice mail he left on that chicks phone… Then she goes ahead and plays it to everybody
OMGOMGOMG WHAT DOES IT SAY? IS ROMANTIC AND SHIT LIEK EDWARD?!?!! ZOMGZOMGOMGMOMG IZ HAZ TO KNOW!!!!!!!!!1
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with not offering arb to any of those players
good riddance, all. Some were decent enough, but I’m not going to miss any of them after last year.
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Meh
As y’all know I was very much down for offering him arbitration given the 1 week to accept, the market next year for catchers being more competitive, the lack of potential playing time with Posey coming up, and the train of butthurt that he has with the FO and the fans. I sincerely doubt he would have accepted arbitration and the draft picks would have been nice.
However, the inherent risks of paying that man between 6 to 8 million for 1 year is notable, and the althogh the draft picks would be nice, they are not necessary. I can see how the risk of 8 mil is not worth gaining a sandwich pick and a second rounder. With Lincecum potentially making it rain soon, it could be a crucial 6-8 mil to keep pliancy in the payroll.
I think the taking the risk in offering arb to get the draft picks would have been like playing russian roulette. You got a good chance of walking away even better, but that small chance of blowing your head off is just too much to even play.
I think the Giants’ decision not to offer arbitration to Benggie indicates the new market — one in which teams aren’t always willing to pay much to players who will cost them a high draft choice.
When the season ended, Brian Sabean said he believed Bengie would find a long-term (probably two year) offer out there. That probably wasn’t happening, and he didn’t want to take the risk that he would pay an arbitration fortune to Bengie so that Bengie could try again next season.
I suspect the Giants made the prudent choice here.
Molina Was a Great Giant, But It's Time To Move On...
Molina wouldn’t have accepted the arb, cause he knows the Giants plans to get Posey a lot of playing time and make him the starter when he’s ready. With that said the Giants know how the economy is and why take the chance of having to give Molina a big pay day for a year if they dont want him back. Who knows maybe Molina decides he doesn’t want a multi year deal and decides one year at a good price is worth it for him. No arb offered so no chance taken. Now we just cut our last ties with him.
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