Scouring the free agent market
by Grant on Nov 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST
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One player you want. Cull the free agent list, and name your guy.
It’s a rosterbation sensation!
Nick Johnson is my guy, and I know it might not be especially rational. If Nick Johnson were a regular reader, he would probably raise his eyebrows at the suggestion that the Giants should spend a lot of money on an oft-injured, 30-year-old who plays a position at which the Giants have a decent option.
Per Rotoworld: Nick Johnson is going on the 60-day DL after raising, then straining, his eyebrows. The condition, incredulitis, is believed to be chronic.
But I’m an on-base percentage slut. Can’t get enough. Guy’s gotta have it. Mmmmm, on-base percentage: you got what I need. Mmm.
Johnson had a fantastic on-base percentage last year. He always does when he’s in the lineup. He isn’t much of a power guy – heck, he only had eight home runs last year, which is Ishikawa territory – but that’s easy to ignore when he’s putting up sweet, sweet on-base percentages. Mmmmm. And as weird as it sounds, I still think Johnson is learning how to hit. Sure, he’s 30 already, and he’s been around for eight seasons, but he’s only been healthy for, oh, 12 games or so.
"Gee, Grant," you say, "isn’t it a bad idea to sign over-30 guys who rarely stay healthy?" To which I respond, "lalalalalalalalala" with my fingers in my ears. On-base percentage, you punishing-yet-fair dominatrix: what are you about to get me into?
I don’t mind Ryan Garko on a roster, but with an organization that has Jesus Guzman, I’m not sure that there’s a good reason to pay Garko what he’s going to get in arbitration. He doesn’t run, and he doesn’t field, which is all pretty discouraging for a .280/.350/.470 guy (in the best-case scenario, even). FanGraphs says the difference between Garko and Johnson has been anywhere between one to four wins, depending on the season you pick. That’s pretty substantial, especially for a team with only one hitter who is a decent bet to be above average next season.
I’ll probably delete this post in three years, when Johnson is in the last year of a 3/$24M deal that provided his team with a total of 200 combined plate appearances. For now, though, Johnson is the only name-brand free agent in whom I have any interest.
I have a problem.
Your one guy, if you please. Don't do that thing where you post the whole lineup after your 156 moves are made. One guy, dang it.
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OMG AURILIA AND MOLINA ARE AVAILABLE!!!
But seriously, I sorta like Huff if Panda is going to be catcher next year.
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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Nov 9, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Huff has only been good once in the last five years.
Also, for some reason when I look him up on b-r, it doesn’t list anything for this season.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He did mock Joba after he hit a home run off him, though
and that’s gotta could for something
by bobnothing on Nov 9, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You prolly have the “Hide partial seasons” turned on
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUSTER TO PLAY SHORTSTOP!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson
Since Randy Johnson will be gone, we must have a Johnson on our team for the obvious gamethread jokes.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Disabled Unit
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the plus side, you know Bocock will still be on the 40-man.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHY IS BOCOCK?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he has a fucking killer name
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fixed
Because he has a killer fucking name
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I vote trade
i think it has to be this year, next year’s free agent class is just as bad, unless we can get Jimmy Rollins or Jose Reyes if their clubs don’t pick up their options.
Can we take the money and throw something extra on top of a deal for Carl Crawford? B.J. Upton might be plan B if we can buy low.
I love OBP as much as the next guy, but no way are we a better contender with Nick Johnson and Milton Bradley. i’m sick of seeing the Sabean overpay for free-agents
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In what universe are we not better with bradley and Johnson?
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
that’s like saying Garko is an improvement over Ishikawa. We’re still 10 games out at the end of the year, with a not real intimidating offense
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the difference between Johnson and Garko is potentially much higher than the difference between Garko and Ishikawa, barring injury
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and how did that “barring injury” work out with Sanchez at 2b?
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not so bad, considering our other option is Burriss. like the extension or not, he’s still our best option at 2B
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and better than any other everyday 2b that is a FA (barring Figgins)
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i too think an opening day lineup with Johnson and Sanchez would look good, i just don’t trust that the right side of our infield would be on the field for more than 50 games
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Part 3 in the Sarcastic Reply Series
Yup. Both Johnson and Garko have averaged fifty games per year over their careers. And since they will inevitably hurt themselves, as they do every year, we should not sign either of them.
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When Has Garko Spent Time On The DL?
His playing time has been low because he has not been a starter for most of his career.unlike Johnson who has indeed mised significant time due to injuries.
by giantsrainman on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
u could have holliday or bay for 150 games at the same price tag
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what? 1) Bay or Holliday don’t play 2B. 2) In what universe do Bay or Holliday sign for 6 mil/yr?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
6 million for Sanchez + 10 million for Johnson =
16 million for Bay
crude math, but not that far off
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Johnson gets 10 Million/year from the Giants I will throw my self down my stairs
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we were happy to spend 500,000 to let the kids play coming out of spring training
i don’t see why this year’s any different if we could take that money and send some to TB for Crawford or Upton
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Part 6 in the Sarcastic Reply Series
Yes, you are right about…what? Um. Hmmm.
So if you carry the three….and…no, I’m still not getting it.
Yes, we should scrap half our roster (we’ve got something like ten guys making league minimum), which would save $4M, and then…we could afford Carl Crawford, who makes $10M, and apparently can play six positions at once?
I’m sorry, I don’t get this at all.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anything to get the giants to the world series!
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, there’s no way Johnson gets $10 million per. Considering his age and injury history, something like 3/$18 sounds fair. I don’t think I’d want him for three years, though. I’d go something like 1/$8 or 2/$12
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Part 5 in the Sarcastic Reply Series
I agree. Johnson will double his 2009 salary and receive a multiyear deal paying $10M a year. Holliday will also double his $13.5M 2009 salary and receive $27M a year, making him the second-highest paid player in baseball, $500,000 (in average annual value) behind Alex Rodriguez.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
/loving this series
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
detroit paid renteria 12 million over two years
san francisco pays him 18 million over two years.
it’s seemingly documented that SF has to overpay for hitters, ask Aaron Roward. I’d love to get Johnson at 3/$18, i just don’t trust it’s that low if we get in a bidding war with NYM or Arizona or try the preemptive strike route that sabean loves so much. 3/$30 might be on the high end, but it’s closer than the $6million a year figure
by locutus on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit paid Renteria $9 million for one year and $3 million for him to not come back the next year.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 10, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t ruin his point with pesky facts
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The combination of Sanchez and Johnson is much better than simply Bay.
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by GiantFan on Nov 11, 2009 4:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Part 4 in the Sarcastic Reply Series
Holliday is going to take $13 million a year? Wow, all those guys projecting 6 years/$100M contracts are so stupid. We could get him for 8 years/$100M! Then we can play Ishikawa at first and Velez at second! It’s foolproof!
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Part 2 in the Sarcastic Reply Series
You’re right. In fact, every player has the capacity to get injured, so let’s assume they all will! Our entire lineup is going to hurt themselves! Oh well, might as well give up now.
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2010 Giants = 2009 NY Mets.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 10, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Part 1 in the Sarcastic Reply Series
You’re right, Garko isn’t an improvement over Ishikawa. It’s not like we’re taking a career .265/.330/.402 hitter and replacing him with a career .279/.351/.441 hitter. It’s not like we’re taking a career .320 wOBA hitter and replacing him with a career .347 wOBA hitter. It’s not like we’re suddenly going from below-average to average offensive production from first base.
Wait, that’s exactly what we’re doing? My bad.
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You Are Also Replacing A Career+10.5 UZR/150 1B With A Career -4.6 UZR/150 1B
I am betting these 15 runs Ishikawa saves on defense more then make up for the .027 wOBA advantage Garko has.
by giantsrainman on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, yeah, they were even in terms of WAR last year. On the other hand, this is an offensively-challenged team, so giving up some defense to get some offense may be a move that helps, and UZR really needs three seasons to get an accurate evaluation, which neither player has. Even with three seasons, its validity is disputed, whereas hitting stats are pretty solid. Garko’s an upgrade over Ishikawa, though probably not by that much.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your sarccastic reply series is all out of order
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
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--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 10, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3, 6, 5, 4, 2, 1
I don’t know, looks like numerical order to me!
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 10, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m sick of seeing the Sabean overpay for free-agents
So you would rather Sabean overpay with prospects in a trade? Prospects in the system are the only thing that give me hope that these FA signings will stop
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the whole point of a trade is to get a guy who we don’t need to replace with prospects
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford is a FA next year
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d trade my left nut he won’t see free agency if he’s with tampa at the end of the year
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone please screenshot and save this
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How does trading for your left nut effect Tampa’s chances of resigning Crawford
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whatever it takes to get us back to the world series
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BREAKING NEWS
GIANTS FAN WILLING TO TRADE LEFT TESTICLE FOR WORLD SERIES APPEARANCE
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
some bleed orange and black
others give 110%
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never thought of it that way before.
by ryanmiles on Nov 9, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
wouldn’t 110% be both testicles and the dick?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what would be left for dodgers fans to suck on?
world series may be out of the question with the sabean extension, at least leave me something to get through the year
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus 10%.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And some bleed orange some bleed orange
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 9, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what, so Tampa re-signing Crawford makes the Giants a better team how?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford? He of the lifetime .335 OB? Really? He’s going to make a HUGE difference? Not seeing it.
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Crawford is an extremely valuable player, players can have value over simply OBP, Crawfords defense, baserunning and pop combine to make him a fantastic player and he would be a huge upgrade for us, not that we will get him of course…
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford is a legit badass.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 9, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lars shows his genius again...
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mmhmm
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in this line
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it would be...
it would be alright!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct, +109, newsletter, etc.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Nov 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
And in the non-pipe dream category, I think I’d like to toss Coco Crisp’s hat in the ring. If he bounces back from the shoulder injury I think I like him better than the other all glove, minimal hit options out there
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I can only pick one...
I would have to agree. I would also love to see the Holliday/Cain “meet and greet” in the clubhouse during ST.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Nov 9, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+juan
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 9, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ding ding ding
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Nov 10, 2009 1:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Cameron. Stick him in CF, shift Rowand to RF, and let Bowker start in LF.
by xanthan on Nov 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cameron’s probably a better option than Bay in the short term
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 9, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But with Fred Lewis relegated to 5th outfielder, who do we get to blame for the team not scoring any runs?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 9, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Answer:
Jermaine Dye
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron strikes out a lot – I feel like he could do something like a 110 ops+ with GG defense in CF but draw an inordinate amount of ire from the mouthbreathing crowd for his strikeouts.
The rich man’s Fred Lewis!! No wonder I like him so much
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
MiKe Kameron
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to making Growing Pains references.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like cam
if we can get him cheap on a 1 year deal.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's going to be looking for at least 7 Mil per yr
I think if we sign we should sign him for a 2 yr deal…I’m still not completely sold that Ford can be our CF of the future and Peguero is probably more than 2 years away
Grab Some Pine Meat!
by Gobroks on Nov 10, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just read somewhere that he only wants to play CF.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine. Rowand to RF or Rowand to Chicago for Milton Bradley.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 10, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand/Fred platoon in rightfield?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Turning into Fred only after Rowand runs full speed into the bricks.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who am I kidding? Rowand would demand to still be started.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More bleeding=more veteran grit.
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 3:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
So, the second game of spring training?
by goGSW24 on Nov 9, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand's arm in Right field?
I think he’d be better in left. Of course, if he were in right there’s no way he’d throw to third when he should throw to second. He’d have to throw to second to get it to third.
by Shoeless on Nov 9, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep yep yep. This also, unlike Bay or Holliday, probably leaves open the possibility of a few other signings, like Johnson and Duchscherer/Harden.
Don’t be fooled by the pretty triple crown stats! Mike Cameron in 2010!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 5:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I’m starting to rosterbate to Cameron in center and Delgado at first. Think of the gritty veteraness.
/fap fap fap
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 9, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron is a lifetime .245 hitter v RHP with a .330 OB. Great glove however. Big upgrade? Hardly. I’d rather play Schierholtz
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron has a career OPS+ of 107 and over the last 5 years has put up 114, 121, 104, 111 and 111. Yes, he’s old, but that’s why you get him on a one year deal.
He would be a big upgrade and especially over Nate Schierholtz.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s a platoon player. Racks up great nuymbers v LHP and mediocre v RHP. We already have Sanchez and probably Garko. Do we need another one like that?
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Assumeing Lewis is not a Giant next year and Cameron just does what he has been doing Cameron would make outs are the second slowest rate of all the Giants hitters. I Don’t love the idea of signing him but it is a lot better bet to take than Bay.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
.245/.330/.435 with good defense in CF (vs RHP) is hardly the realm of platoon players. That’s an average-ish hitter right there and a solid CF.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
those numbers would have been about third-best on the team last year. and if you take into account the fact that, yes, he does get to hit against LHP too, he’s a very good player.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you underestimate how valuable a quality defensive CF with that kind of bat is.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 10, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can laugh, but if we signed him, you same guys would be whining about how many strikeouts he has v RHP and would forget all about his D.
.240 is not a great batting average for your every day CF and, I believe, you would see those power numbers drop in AT&T.
If you’re getting a guy with differing splits, get one with good splits v RHP, not LHP.
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure I wouldn’t whine about batting average and strikeouts. Maybe you would.
Also, iirc, it was lhp that the giants struggled with last year, especially from the OF!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 3:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure I wouldn’t whine about batting average and strikeouts. Maybe you would.
I dunno about that. I distinctly remember you saying “I hate Fred Lewis because of his low batting average and also he strikes out too much” several times over the season.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 10, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This year's free agent market sucks harder than a Hoover Vac
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 9, 2009 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You could have gone down quite the inappropriate path with that joke. Thanks for taking the high road
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just waiting for Goofus' response
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 9, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for taking the high road
There’s a Timmy joke in there somewhere…
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For a bat:
Holliday would be my sky’s the limit pick.
Then I would go with Johnson.
I also want the Giants to take a look at Duchscherer. He could be a great No. 5. Plus Timmy already has the stuff to fight his depression issues.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Sheets, FTW.
or Harden, or Dook-shirr-err-err. I know that’s three. But you have to have a backup plan. Ban me!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Jason Stoffel, 2009 (Rookie + A-): 24IP, 1-0, 0.75 ERA, 5 S V, 25K. The heir apparent to B-Weez.
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by bigboneded on Nov 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
"What about Randy Winn, lets re-sign him" said Bochy.
He didn’t really say that but you know he was thinking it.
Now offering free hugs from Amy G.
Billy Ripken is still a douche bag.
by kbsofaraway08 on Nov 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The best part about this is that management is realizing Bochy’s deficiencies and trying to work around it. Let’s hope they take the same route with Molina.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They should’ve fired him in that case.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you're probably right
but I’m guessing they hired him because they get along with him, and because he does have good managerial qualities (just not lineup construction). i don’t like that they kept him either, but at least they are realizing how to keep his deficiencies in check.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"great manegerial qualities"?
I feel like that needs an explanation…
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by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, I said "good"
but to answer your question, he seems to be pretty good with managing pitchers, at least compared to our managers over the past 10 years or so. He also seems to get along with the players well and has their respect for the most part.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If “working around Bochy’s deficiencies” means getting better players, then…yeah, I’m good with that.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 9, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Sabean curbs his freeagentophilia this winter, but if forced to pick someone I’d go with Fernando Tatis. Assuming he was really, really cheap. And not guaranteed any playing time.
Juan Uribe I would assume would be a given, again only if not too expensive.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Huh
Looking up Tatis on b-r, it doesn’t have anything for him for 2009 either. Is b-r being screwy or am I losing my mind?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are updating or something. A lot of ’09 data not available right now.
by xanthan on Nov 9, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And with Tatis there are a bunch of other years that're blank
But in his case, that’s because he missed multiple years. Weird career that guy’s had.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
performance enhancers will do that to a guy
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re losing your mind.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Bay
Nuff said.
Now offering free hugs from Amy G.
Billy Ripken is still a douche bag.
by kbsofaraway08 on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s always a really frightening thing when I agree with GRM.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to be doing that a lot lately.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He seems to be closer to the groupthink, lately
We’ve been converting him!
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Giles and Richie Sexson are free agents too,
maybe we can get some other Pirate castaways!
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's play the Construct a Terrible, Overpaid Lineup Using The Free Agent Market Game!
C: Rod Barajas
1B: Chad Tracy
2B: David Eckstein
SS: Khalil Greene
3B: Melvin Mora
LF: Garret Anderson
CF: Austin Kearns
RF: Jermaine Dye
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t we need molina to hit cleanup in this lineup?
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DH
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally. This lineup needs Molina and Randy Winn.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
except Winn certainly won’t be overpaid. at least I would think not.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants signed him, he would.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 years, $24 million
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a pay raise.
Also, googling for his current salary, I learned that his wife is named “Blessings.” That doesn’t seem very classy to me.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, for real the giants signed Winn?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that’s my joke of the kind of contract Sabean would give them.
Word from Baggs is that the Giants have no interest in bringing him back.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, cool, just wondering, but that’s cool and would definitely be a deal Sabean would make
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not signing Winn for $24 million
better than cool
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, i like Winn, but the money is too much
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
so every time i see your screen name, I picture this:
Of course, without all the children inadvertently molesting the giant pokemon.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FU
I R 6 AND THREE QUARTERS
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pikachu on the left is flashing it’s vagina.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear lord, is it giving birth?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Japanese porn is weird, man.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By "current salary"
I’m referring to his 3-year extension that just expired.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With a $20 million dollar player option for a 3rd year.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CLANG
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw defense, if he can hit then we'll take him
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WE WOULDNT BE GETTING HIM FOR HIS DEFENSE
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT JASON BAY MAKES NO ERRORS HE GOOD SIGHN HIM GIANTS BRASS
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bay is good.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the field, I don’t care what his agent says!
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DNW D.N.W.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DNW
Here’s the sad part: I saw this by Jerry Crasnick on espn today. He polled 20 major league front-office guys, asked them would they take Holliday or Bay if price were no object. Result: Holliday 11, Bay 9. Who are these 9 idiots? I mean, I could see an argument for Bay if you thought he’d be considerably cheaper/fewer years. But price no object? That’s not close.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT HOLLIDAY DROPPED THAT BALL ONCE
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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT HOLLIDAYDROPPEDFUCKED THAT BALL ONCE
Fixed.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the giants get this guy holliday... he sounds pretty darn good, at least that's what people here say
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
DEFENSE NOT AS GOOD AS BAY!!!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we took a Holliday
It would be so nice
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HOLLIDAY! CELEBRATE!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday Inn San Francisco!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The guy's talented
with catching baseballs with his crotch and all.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey hey, i’m not going that far in talking about him
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he didn’t catch it though. If he wants to get the big FA dollars, he needs to spend some time in the offseason developing his prehensile penis so he can make those grabs.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The phrase “prehensile penis” made me irllol.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get the feeling that..
..the Giants are actually willing to spend the money on Bay or Holliday, so I say:
Adam LaRoche.
(ok, I cant resist I know you said one, but if Panda can play C then I say Chone Figgins as well).
by uber on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t hurt to sniff his butt a little. Also, I wish Sabes would replace “due diligence” with “we’re going to sniff his butt a little”.
by Rorsavelt on Nov 9, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This made me LOL more than it had any right to.
by The Double Deuce on Nov 10, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok how about this!
We trade Velez and Cain for Prince Fielder, who we then trade to Cardinals for Albert Pujols, who we then deal back to the Brewers for Cain and Ryan Braun! Genius amirite?!
Croix De Candlestick: You'll be a better person for reading
by Chulk on Nov 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Holliday
If we can somehow get Holliday and swap Rowand for Bradley, the Giants suddenly have an effective lineup.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol dreams
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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who plays CF? Schierholz or Velez? Ugh.
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate can play CF. He’s faster and has a better arm than Rowand.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t think he’s played much CF at any level. Won’t happen in the majors.
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand is CF unless he’s moved.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand is CFunless he’s movedfor the rest of time.
Fixed, the Giants Way®
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Deep Thoughts
We’re not yet halfway through the Zito or Rowand contracts.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
/throws pencil in air in disgust
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
These are depression lucubrations.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shoots hooker...
…in Grand Theft Auto.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 9, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who let Jack Handey in?
I swear to god, if i see another 'DOYERS' license plate, I'm gonna scream.
by Classy_Argonaut on Nov 9, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Ankiel?
oh wrong Cardinal outfielder, Holliday then
by Angry Dwarf on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They could pursue Chris Duncan. Not because he’s good, but as a lesson for people who think Fred Lewis is the worst defensive left fielder ever.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I think either Harden or Duchshurerererer will be Sabean’s #5 SP roll-of-the-dice. This will be the 2010 version of the Randy Johnson signing.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would be happy with either of those gambles
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Duke, duke, duke, dukesherer,
duke, duke dukesherer….
by Merope on Nov 9, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden would be cool and we know how boner inducing strikeouts are to the Giants FO. I can see it
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When I mean “I can see it” I mean Harden getting signed…not being able to see Sabean, Baer, and the like with boners
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SWORD FIGHT!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be ok with either of them, but I would prefer Dukeshireereererrer.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Bedard?
Feasible? Not?
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably too much $ for a 5th starter no?
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit I would explode if we got Harden
ASSPLODE!
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The explosion would send a gust of air toward Harden, shattering his back and sending him back to the DL.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want at least one Sacramentan on the Giants roster.
If we’re not going to roll with Bowker or Holm we’ll have to take someone off this list:
Nick Johnson
Doug Davis (hell no)
Mark Hendrickson (he played for the Sacramento Kings, so he counts)
Jermaine Dye (he played JC ball in Sacramento, so he also sort of counts)
Nick Johnson it is.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we could get Fernando Viña out of retirement…
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 9, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or FP
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 9, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Buck Martinez could do some radio as well
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 9, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, HOLLIDAY isn't MONEY DOWN THE STRETCH
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/crasnick-polls-baseball-executives.html
Of 20 executives, 11 would want Matt Holliday, nine Jason Bay if money or length of deal were not an issue. Despite Holliday being younger, better defensively and having a better career OPS, Bay’s success in the pressure cooker of Boston swayed a large number of executives.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stupid people are stupid.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/Bets one of those was Sabean
bets a LOT of money
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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
STUPIDITY IS NOT A PRECUSER TO BEING STUPID!
Man you are ignorant.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HOLLIDAY HAD TOO MUCH PRESSURE IN OAKLAND!
by ryanmiles on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good news
just means less teams in the play for him
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Sabean’s on the wrong side of the debate, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you’re right.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Troy Glaus for a one year deal.
With incentives.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reeks too much of Anaheim.
Oh and he’s useless off the juice
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the part where he’s actually pretty good.
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
by boonitez on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see him bouncing back from his injury filled 09 season
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, neither do i, i think that’s like a high risk high reward thing, i don’t believe they should go after him at all
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That may be. I was responding to the notion that he’s useless off the juice. Still though, if he were healthy, I think he’d be a good pick up on an incentive-based deal. He’s pretty good when healthy.
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
by boonitez on Nov 9, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I don’t like Glaus, but what’s wrong with Panda at first?
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just guessing....
But I think his rational is it is much easier to find a large improvement at 1st from outside the team then it is to find a large improvement from outside the team at 3rd and that we should not be very willing to punt that chance.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to go out on a limb here
Carlos Delgado – 1 year / $5M.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i'd do it...
if it doesn’t work, the worst we can do is go back to Garkikawa
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume that we wouldn’t offer Garko arb. under this scenario.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UM, you forget Garko can play catcher and OF. it’s called flexibility, DURH
/sarchasm
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, you see
if 2 of them suck, there’s no need to keep them on the roster. Garko isn’t going to play anyway due to Bo-chill-ism.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be pretty ok with this
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 9, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would be a very solid alternative to Johnson
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t mind this. Still would prefer Johnson, but I’ve always liked Delgado.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Delgado
he’s probably just as much of an injury risk as Nick Johnson but with a higher upside
by NateEveryday on Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know this doesn't have to do with a free agent
But do you think the White Sox would trade Alex Rios. He was pretty awful after the Sox claimed him off waivers. So the Sox might want to shed the 5 years and 60 million left on the contract, plus they still might like Rowand
You could argue that he’s not much better offensively then Rowand, but his track record would tend to say that his hitting will improve from this year Gr.anted he may never be the 30 homerun hitter that some projected him to be. Plus he’s a defensive improvement over rowand and at 28 he should be entering his primes while Rowand is only going down hill
by NateEveryday on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for dumping Rowand, but I’d rather not ADD payroll in doing it.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rios would actually be cheaper for 2010
after that it’s 12 million a year until 2014
by NateEveryday on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m talking total amount left on the deals, not next year’s payroll.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trouble with Feliz is, he’s old and not good.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He won a world series though, VETERAN PREZENSE
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like prezense
Oh. Not that kind. : (
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t we just wait until your birfday? or Christmas? Or Hanukkah, or whatever holiday anybody celebrates?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT:
Has anyone read much of the Star Wars books? I’m in the middle of Darth Bane and it’s quickly becoming a guilty pleasure.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
only read,
in order of interesting-ness and proximity to canon… the Thrawn trilogy, The Truce at Bakura, Jedi Academy trilogy, Shadows of the Empire, and three of the silly “Jedi Prince” books
by coicoy on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Thrawn trilogy is great.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thrawn duology is almost as good. Zahn is by far the best of the writers who have written for the extended universe.
by speckops on Nov 9, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But is he right for the catcher spot?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
The extended universe stuff can be up and down. On the one hand, there’s some pretty good stuff. On the other hand, there can be some embarrassingly bad stuff.
…not unlike the actual movies.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 9, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, there can be some embarrassingly bad stuff.
lol kevin j anderson
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which ones?
There are a lot of them.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got close to 90 of them taking up three bookshelves in my apartment.
I also live in my mother’s basement and eat hot pockets for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
by speckops on Nov 9, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
She lets you eat Hot Pockets?!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so, your apartment is just for nerd books?
by DrStankus on Nov 10, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley Being Discussed in Three Team Deal (Giants aren't one of them)
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/bradley-being-discussed-in-threeway-deal.html
A very interesting idea is being reported by Ken Rosenthal: a three-way deal, with Milton Bradley going to the Blue Jays, Luis Castillo to the Cubs, and Lyle Overbay to the Mets. Rosenthal said “The teams indeed have discussed the framework of such a deal, though not in direct fashion, according to major-league sources.”
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Toronto wants no part of Milton Bradley.
But I do!
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Sabean doesn’t know how to be a part of a three-team deal.
by The Double Deuce on Nov 10, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t you think the Cubs would rather have Rownad than Castillo, given their contracts?
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, one would assume so. It is the Cubs though. Sounds like the Rangers may want Bradely back too, again, now.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to see Rowand traded for Bradley; ergo, it won’t happen.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Coco Crisp
I mentioned him above, but that comment was kind of buried amid the Matt Holliday chatter. One caveat— I’m not entirely sure what his health situation is— so this presumes that the Giants think he will bounce back from shoulder surgery. But if he were healthy, I don’t think a 2-3 year deal for Crisp would be an awful thing. Worst case scenario, he’s a younger Randy Winn— great glove, limited bat. But I think he could be better than that in the NL.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 9, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think we’d get similar production out of torres. no?
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Torres also brings more Bling
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From a guy who watches the Sawx closely:
Coco Crisp = DNW
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 9, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You do if you want mediocrity.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 9, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the sweet scent of mediocrity. How I covet thee.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to covet something the Giants already have so much of :-(
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Nov 9, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants have some improving to do if they want to call themselves mediocre.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This seems highly inappropriate
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t make sense unless they get rid of Rowand somehow. And if Crisp is really cheap, like $3M or so.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
still betting B.J. Upton to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner
with absolutely no basis whatsoever!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Nov 9, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Though I would hate that trade on 50 different levels, that has the potential of looking like a “Why in the world wouldn’t we do that, dammit?”-trade in the coming years.
by Grant on Nov 9, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like a “Jesse Foppert for Chase Utley” deal in 2001, for example.
by Grant on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Foppert is gonna be an ace! 99 mph fastball! Who the fuck is Chase Utley?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 5:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t kill myself over this trade.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 9, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what i would do to myself:
stab
maim
cut
poke
slash
gouge eyes…if Urban Meyer ok’d it
by sfoakbay on Nov 9, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/throws self down stairs
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Nov 10, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will ignore WAR and UZR because they disagree with me and make me sound dumb, but it would make me happy to have someone of Jason Bay’s offensive caliber hitting behind Panda. Especially considering who held that slot this past year.
Of course, Holliday could do this too. I would take Holliday if I could get anyone without any consequence, but I think he’ll be more expensive, and I would be extremely excited about having Bay.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 9, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we got Bay, I would enjoy two things: his offense and last name (Bay by the Bay! It’s ripe for puns!).
Then I would kill Brian Sabean when he let Lincecum walk because there’s no money to sign him long-term
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn’t really fit the post topic, but I wanted to toss it in (lol twss) anyways. The Giants should sign Gregg Zaun.
Good stuff:
- He’s not a hacker. Posting above average BB%‘s (last three seasons 13.4, 13.4, and 10.6%).
- He can still hit. Last three seasons by wOBA: .324, .316, and .334. That’s just as good, if not better, than Molina offensively.
- He should be cheap. The Rays declined his $2M option today. Zaun could probably be had for $2-3M on a 1-year deal.
- He seems cool with being a back-up. Unlike Molina, Zaun actually seems like a guy that would be OK being a back-up/mentor to Posey.
Anyone else like Zaun? I think he’s really underrated.
by xanthan on Nov 9, 2009 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
“We know Posey should be starting, but working within the framework that Sabean’s signing of a broken-down vet is inevitable, here is a guy who might hold the team back the least.”
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see how Posey has struggled in the AFL? Don’t think he’s ready.
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has played a whole 15 games down there.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and is playing in November for the 1st time in his career.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he played in the HWB last year. Or is that in December?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s right. I was trying to say is that this is the 1st time he has played February through November in his career. I believe he had a few months “off” between the CWS and where ever he played 1st last year.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know wilriv makes jokes of it but Posey really has been going pretty much nonstop the past couple of years.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always forget of those Cape Cod type leagues…
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
POSEY HAD HIS CHANCE!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 10, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Posey’s washed up at 22.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For reals though, if the Giants are seriously scared of Posey not being ready, but do not want to let him play at the MLB level to get ready, should they just think of trading him for some goods that they will actually use? I bet any other team that had Posey under the same circumstances that the Giants do, would be thrilled to have him open the season as their catcher and spend any money on that position. The Giants are retarded about this situaish.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For reals though,if the Giants are seriously scared of Posey not being ready,but do not want to let him play at the MLB level to get ready, should they just think of trading him for some goods that they will actually use? I bet any other team that had Posey under the same circumstances that the Giants do, would be thrilled to have him open the season as their catcher and spend any money on that position.The Giants are retardedabout this situaish.
Fixed.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More lines than Dustin Ackley.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really understand the “only an idiot would think Posey isn’t ready” groupthink. He’s playing the most complicated and demanding position on the field; he’s had only 125 games in the minors, and while his numbers were good, they weren’t OMG good; and he looked badly overmatched in September.
Given the salary considerations and the fact that we need a decent veteran backup anyway, starting him off in Fresno seems like a no-brainer.
by Evan on Nov 10, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, he was very overmatched in those 3 PA’s in September.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE HAD HIS CHANCE!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 10, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
starting him in fresno isn't a no-brainer
but it’s not the worst thing. the problem is, sabes would forget him in fresno, at midseason realize he needs a catcher besides eli whiteside, and re-sign bengie lolina
by sfoakbay on Nov 10, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So I get at least half a season with out Molinia’s sub 300 OBP in the #4 hole?!?!?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be all OMG GINATS BRASS if both he and Bumgarner started in Fresno.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen him? Or just looking in the boxscores?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 10, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m definitely a Zaun fan, would love to see this happen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 5:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Zaun and Cameron, you’re really looking to get older by a lot, huh, jponry?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’ll be one year deals in both cases and Zaun would be a backup. I’m not advocating 10 or even 3 year deals for these guys.
Where are the younger guys we should be signing? I don’t see them.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bard and a trade for the OF maybe. I don’t know, just not thrilled about Zaun or Cameron, I’d actually rather stand pat than sign those two. But yeah, not many good options left on the FA market. I’m thinking a trade might have to go down.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would definitely be okay with this.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 9, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks good.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like him
Just not like that
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 9, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Give Bochy an alternative to Posey and he will use it every time.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they need a better backup than Whiteside though
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 6:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Holm!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holmboy!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They do need a better backup than Whiteside. The problem is that Whiteside is one of the few players that would be a backup. I think it’s pretty possible Bochy will find out Whiteside has more ML experience/get fooled by his gray hair and make Posey Whiteside’s backup.
Like I said in some other post somewhere: The frustrating thing about the Giants is that you can make the best acquisitions possible, but it won’t matter because Bruce Bochy will come along, kick you in the nuts, and sit Ryan Garko all year.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zaun digs the backup/mentor role. At least he did in Baltimore with Wieters…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 10, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Sabean says to Bochy, “You’ll get Posey and Steve Holm, and you’ll like it!”
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has not taken the field for more than 1000 innings since 2005. To me that makes him a very unlikely chance to completely block Buster. In fact it would probably force Big Head to play Buster the deeper into the season we go.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t he a Rush fan? He would have a few admirers here.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 9, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who could like Rush Limbaugh?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 9, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 9, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring Your Z Game!
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im in love
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is so epically amazing
I want to join the Zaunbie Nation!
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
catchers = slow Zaunbies
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY FUCK MOST EPIC WEBSITE EVER WE NEED TO SIGN HIM
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Z-Tunes rockin the Rush when I looked in
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fap! Fap!! Fap!!!
To me the question is does the team wait tell after the arbitation deadline? I belive he is a type B free agent.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then what is the point of waiting?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It lets me keep the dream alive as Sabean does nothing to sign him and negotiates a 2 year contract with Molinia during the next month.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it, except for the part where this results in Posey starting -9 games next season.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't fool yourself.
Those games are the resault of the teams first 2 offseason moves; re-upping Big Head & the Sabs.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The field is limited.
It’s already a bad idea to add any player whose age begins with a numeral over 2, but if we stick to 31 as an upper limit for the 2010 age, there are only three free-agent position players of possible interest to any serious team: Johnson, Bay, and Holliday—a 1B and two LFs.
All three are likely to be expensive, probably wildly so, though Johnson might be a little less owing to questions about his health. Thus, if I had to pick a free agent to add, I’d say Johnson. That does not make adding Johnson a good idea: it just answers the question “Which is best?” (or possibly, “Which is least bad?”). I say “least bad” not because there is anything wrong per se with having Johnson (or one of the other two) on a roster: the issue is “at what cost?” Cost not only in dollars, which pinches off other possibilities, but cost in bypassing some possible in-house talent. The Giants have no 1B candidate with Johnson’s numbers, but they might have some not so far off. My own reckoning is that Garko is only about 10 runs worse, which is about one game’s worth; is Johnson’s price tag worth one extra game? What can Jesus Guzman do? Again, not what Johnson can, but how much worse? We don’t even know very well, but it might also be about a game’s worth.
I’d avoid any free-agent position players. Trades, maybe, depending; but nothing on this year’s market at the prices they will fetch.
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by owlcroft on Nov 9, 2009 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And your evaluations is based on just which data?
We only ask because we want to know.
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by owlcroft on Nov 9, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly his entire career to this point.
by xanthan on Nov 9, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He managed, what, an ops in the .800ish range in the PCL this year? I feel like it wasn’t much higher than .900, if that. I can’t look it up easily at the moment, but I think he looks like a solidly below average first baseman, even before you take defense into account (and he’s no good there)
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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 5:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Granted, he's never going to the HoF . . .
. . . but it’s unclear what his real ability is. I would never ink him in on the line-up card, but I daresay that when resources are scarce, you first look carefully at what you have. His numbers from 2009 at AAA look roughly like 870{1} in the majors; Garko looks like he’d be somewhere from 900 to maybe even 950, and Johnson’s career number is 1011 (making Johnson roughly +100 over Garko, and rule-of-thumb dividing by 10{2} means +10 team runs, which is just about exactly one game’s worth). So if Guzman is maybe 30 or 40 higher than his 2009 showed, which is well within the range of scatter, he’s satisfactory. His prior years are somewhat up-and-down, but his 2008 was—even allowing for Texas-leage inflation—not bad. (I haven’t run numbers because I’m too lazy to dig up the 2008 TL R/G stats.)
{1} Private rating formula: think of it as the runs a team of nine exact clones of a man would score in a full season.
{2} Because a regular gets roughly 10% of his team’s plate appearances.
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by owlcroft on Nov 9, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Private rating formula? Do you at least have a link for methodology or something? Because when you say that Guzman would be “870” in the majors, I have no reference point to what that means.
Guzman’s translated MLE from last season puts him as a low-700’s OPS hitter. With bad defense. I’m not seeing it.
by xanthan on Nov 9, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By Dan Szymborski’s zMLEs, Guzman’s 2009 line in Fresno translates to .270/.323/.405. I liked when the Giants picked up Guzman because it’s a low-risk move. But realistically he’s probably 3rd or 4th on our 1B depth chart.
by xanthan on Nov 9, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look here:
http://highboskage.com/formula-proof.shtml
The number, as stated above, is the number of runs that an offense comprising nine exact clones of the man would score in one normal season, so it should make instant sense. Guzman’s is a rough, not exact translation—I just pulled the old PHP scripts out and didn’t do any upgrading or checking (I used the 2009 PCL average R/G datum for the conversion). The line I get for Guzman (omitting minor stats, using just AB & BB) is:
BA .295
SA .473
OB .342
BB .065
TOP 870
OPS .797
(That’s .295/.342/.473 as batting average/on-base percentage/slugging percentage, so I seem to disagree with Mr. Szymborski.)
The translation is basically Bill James’s original, slightly modified to keep the PA total constant. When I was actively using it, back in the late ‘80s and ’90s, it worled quite well, at least for AA and AAA stats. I don’t offhand see any reason why it shouldn’t still work well, unless the caliber of MLB play relative to AAA/AA play has changed substantially over the last decade or two.
(James had a factor of 0.82 for the differential; I have no idea where he got it, but when I did my own research runs—presumably by much-different methods—I ended up with 0.81, remarkable agreement, and I have doubts that that datum will have changed all that much over the years.)
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by owlcroft on Nov 10, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard it suggested that the gap between AAA and the majors has widened in recent years—in part because management types have seen the light on MLEs, so good players aren’t allowed to languish in the minors forever.
Anyway, to the naked eye, translating an 885 OPS in Fresno to 797 in the show seems overly generous. For comparison:
Schierholtz: 931 in Fresno, 731 in SF.
Frandsen: 826 in Fresno, 645 in SF.
Bowker: 971 in Fresno, 693 in SF.
Velez: 826 in Fresno, 701 in SF.
Linden: 876 in AAA, 638 in the majors.
Niekro: 820 in AAA, 709 in the majors.
Fred Lewis fits your conversion rate (855 in Fresno, 775 in SF), but he looks like an outlier.
by Evan on Nov 11, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t really see it; guzman barely slugged over .500 in the PCL last season (while hitting .320 no less!!) and his plate discipline is terrible. About the only thing he has going for him is the fact that he’ll cost league minimum
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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 6:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He had an MLE of 736 last year (723 the year before). That from a 1B with terrible defense is pretty worthless.
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love for Nick
Just a little support for Grant from this Nationals fan who is probably relocating to the Bay Area. I’ve been following the Giants in anticipation of adopting a “second child,” and want to put a good word in for Nick, who was consistently in the game as a National this year. In addition to OBP, with Nick you get some humor in hearing “Sexy Back” as he approaches the plate. Plus, he’s practically a local guy …
by dcbatgirl on Nov 9, 2009 5:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rainman's $22M Plan To Add 6 WAR To The Existing 2010 Giants Roster
First, I believe the Giants as constructed are an 84 WIN (37 WAR with replacement level at 47 wins) team. I break this down as follows:
Starting Rotation: 17 WAR (was 17.3 in 2009)
Bullpen: 4.5 WAR (was 4.4 in 2009)
Corner Infielders: 7 WAR (was 4.5 in 2009 – Sandoval, Ishikawa, Rohlinger, Guzman, Garko, Aurilia)
Middle Infielders: 4 WAR (was 2.5 in 2009- Uribe, F.Sanchez, Renteria, Downs, Frandsen. Burriss)
Outfield: 6 WAR (was 7 in 2009 – Torres, Rowand, Winn, Lewis, Schierholtz, Velez, Bowker)
Catcher: 2 WAR (was 1.8 in 2009 – Molina, Whiteside, Holm, Posey)
Pitchers Offense: -3.5 WAR (was -3.5 in 2009)
Second, I believe the biggest opportunities for improvement are as follows:
1) Weakest of the three outfield positons is likely closer to 1 WAR then to 2.
2) Fifth starter is also likely closer to 1 WAR then to 2.
3) Both SS and 1B are also likely under 2 WAR.
I think there is zero chance that the Giants will target to improve SS so that leaves OF, 5th Starter, and 1B. If the Giants can add probable 3+ WAR players (with some risk) at all three of these positions I will consider the off season a sucess. Frankly, I think doing this by buying players the market under values or are coming off of injuries but likely still have at least one very good year left like say Cameron, Penny, and Delgado has a better then 50% chance of adding this desired extra 6 wins. I think three such players can be signed to 1 year deals that total with incentives $22M and without $15M. If the incentives are met I would expect the extra 6 wins to be added.
by giantsrainman on Nov 9, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
I think I mostly agree with this
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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 6:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I know. It’s getting weird, huh?
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by SFGuy on Nov 9, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GRM for GM!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 9, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh...
Surprise Wow.
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by nvsfg on Nov 9, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your thinking is sound
I thiink this is a reasonable plan, but I think we get maybe 4 wins (with a shot at 8 or something if Delgado is healthy and rediscovers the magic). I also think this will cost ~$28 million.
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by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Would Be Shocked If These Three Actually Get $28M.
But, if they do then they will be others just as good that the market will under valued even if these three are not.
by giantsrainman on Nov 9, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
Except I’d prefer Duchscherer over Penny.
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by boonitez on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There Are Indeed Other Players That Meet This Critera.
Duchscherer is definately one of these.
by giantsrainman on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden!
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by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 10, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the thinking
I wouldn’t go for those exact three players — I would personally prefer Duchscherer, Byrd, and Johnson for those three spots — but there’s really no way to know which moderate FA gambles will pay off in a given year.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the most part i agree with that plan (assuming Holliday isn’t viable). There are also a number of different option for 1B (Johnson, LaRoche, Glaus, Branyan) and 5th starter (Duscherer, Harden, Bedard, etc) so we should be able to do something for those positions. OF is the harder one as aside from Cameron there isn’t too many players available that are upgrades.
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by GiantFan on Nov 11, 2009 5:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of signing Johnson
OBP- that’s a reliable, repeatable skill.
I also think 1B is the position where we can see the most improvement relative to what we have now, when cost considerations are taken into account.
Another thought- it would be nice to have some true organizational depth at one position in the field for once.
Johnson & Garko @ MLB
Ishikawa & Pill @ AAA
Neal @ AA
That’s a nice little line of 1B. Lots of options there.
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by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ishii’s out of options isn’t he? I can’t help but think if Johnson’s added, Garko’s gone.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 9, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not, but if he is, I’d rather have Garko around because we have a ton of lefties (Rowand and Renteria blanked from mind for obvious reasons).
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by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not just you, we have a ton of lefties (more if we add Johnson and Bradley, which would be good). We need RHH.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t Neal be a better OF option? Or do you just have him listed because he can play 1B?
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by boonitez on Nov 9, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and yes.
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by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, actually looks likely that he’s gonna be able to buy himself out of the situation. That’s going to be a bit awkward for the FO when he comes back, especially because it’s so obvious that he’s using the checkbook defense. (Even though we’ll never know whether he actually did it, the appearance will not be good.)
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How has Juan Uribe faired since his very similar situation?
Pretty sure no one cares.
by DrStankus on Nov 10, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You spin it as him being a victim of extortion, bad mouth the P.R. justice system, have him do some token good guy publicity activities and move on.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t believe Marco Scutaro hasn’t been mentioned yet. Sure, there’s not a chance in hell Sabean would go after him, but when did that ever stop us here?
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by i did my job on Nov 9, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Scutaroi would have been a good pickup last offseason
As it stands now, the Giants have the middle infield positions sewn up (LOL RENTERIA!).
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t think Scutaro would be a massive upgrade over Renteria? Again, since when do we let reality get in the way of some good rosterbation?
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by i did my job on Nov 9, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s gonna be overpayed like a muhfucker.
by The Double Deuce on Nov 10, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Type A
He’s def better than Rent but I wouldn’t risk a first and $$$ on finding out whether he’s got another 2009 in him
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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 6:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take a 2008…
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Nov 10, 2009 2:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve mentioned him before, but I don’t think there’s any chance of that happening. Plus he’s a Type A.
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by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Penny
The Giants can shore up the starting pitching with Brad Penny. Penny has shown he can be a #2 starter and pitch deep into games.
by wilriv21 on Nov 9, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If not Brad Penny
I say MadBum should start.
by Josh L on Nov 9, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
No.
No, no.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mama mia, mama mia
Mama mia let me go.
by The Double Deuce on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
/ Hands quincy jumper cables and rolls hand truck with battery closer so the re-education can begin.
Needs more advanced secondary pitches or he is going to go on the DL with whip lash from all the time MLB hitters will tee off on him.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Penny
is going to be WAAAAAY to expensive for a 5th starter.
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by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time Will Tell - I Think 2008 With The Dodgers And 2009 With The Redsox Will Keep His Price Down.
I do however agree that the team that signs him is going to get much better the 5th starter performance (perhaps even at a quality #2 level). This is after all the point. Sign someone that is very good but the market undervalues. If he is valued by the market correctly then there should be other starters that are likely to have very good years that the market will undervalue and we should then sign one of these instead.
by giantsrainman on Nov 9, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Penny because he has the Angry young man thing going.
The almost Mullett hair cuts don’t hurt either. I don’t like signing him for much of a commitment because both those things as well.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like him because when he hangs out with Timmy, they look like a rock star and a bodyguard.
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by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Non-Holliday edition
Reed Johnson, platooning with Fred in left field
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Nov 9, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is a Big Head Team. Johnson will not platoon with any of the Ex Grizzly Crowd. Otherwise I would be rather intrested with this idea.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson is my man. Has been for years. Garko will cost ~3m, put that money towards a player with serious upside and OBP.
I really wish Sabean would have picked him up instead of Sanchez and Garko.
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by jasomack on Nov 9, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
maybe upside was the wrong word, but whatever
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by jasomack on Nov 9, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think You Are Overestimating What Garko Will Get In Arbitration
I think the odds favor him getting $2M or less as opposed to $3M or more.
by giantsrainman on Nov 9, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I pegged him at $2M. He’s about a 1 WAR/year player, which should be $4.5M, but his best asset is his offense on the most offense-heavy position in baseball.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Damon
i haven’t seen this yet, and i’m not about to advocate it, but as much as we’re bracing for a year of Jermaine Dye, i saw last week where Heyman of SI said we’d be chasing him if the Yanks let him go. We need a leadoff hitter, blah blah blah.
Just so it’s not a total surprise when kicking the tires leads to another lemon
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Please no. Too expensive, too old, bad defender, we have plenty of young OFs with potential.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to admit it smells like Sabean, no?
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit, it’s probably silly to think this way, but part of the reason why I’m not so into the idea of Jason Bay (and, to a severely lesser degree, Matt Holliday) is Thomas Neal.
Holliday, actually, I’d be okay with. But I don’t like the idea of locking up LF longterm with anyone else, really. Except, like, Ryan Braun.
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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For real, would you say like 2 years? But i’m not sure a player like Holliday would want to accept a contract with only 2 years, but if it’s someone younger like Braun, then for sure, do it
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh there’s no way anyone like Bay or Holliday would accept two years.
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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, so the fact is, they’d have to be longterm if it were LF they were looking to put an outfielder in…
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point was
Holliday will be looking for a 6-7-8 year contract.
Bay will probably be looking for about 4.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 9, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea i understand that, and i’m basically agreeing saying is there a point then to signing long term?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 10, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly with free agency the way it is, I wouldn’t want to give most guys who get there 5-7 year deals, just because they’re almost always in their 30s already by the time they make it to FA. Even the Vlad contract, for example, could have been a mess if we’d had him around the lasttwo years if he was lumbering around RF like the DH he is now (and probably injuring himself in the process)
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by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 9:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, i agree, i just don’t agree with the signing long term, like we’ve done with Rowand, but you’re right, the way FA is right now, lots of players want long term deals and that’s kinda the norm now
by PiKAgiant on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and thus giving the Yankees a huge advantage (Phils, Red Soxs and Mets too)
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL METS!!!!!!!!
but yea, pretty much
by PiKAgiant on Nov 10, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thus the idea of Cameron has some legitimacy.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock
Injured the last couple years, but so has Johnson, hes also a few years younger.
He had an off year last year, even with his 25 Hrs.
Career .329 OBP
at his age he should be in his prime, and hes already had years where he hit .300, and 32 Hrs
He plays solid defense at 1st and 3rd, and has played 2nd before(very few times)
I dont know, he might be worth looking into if he comes cheap. I just really dont like the idea of Nich Johnson
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fuck
nevermind
sounds like he will have to be a DH
ignore everything above
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It says its unlikely he can stay healthy in the field
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, well
He plays first base, it’s not like he really would have to move around as much as any other position player. Didn’t he used to play 3rd? i thought i remember him playing 3rd at some point
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, he has 100 career games at 1st, 4 at 2nd, and the rest at 3rd
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea i thought i remember him playing 3rd, good stuff dude, thanks, and either way, i wouldn’t mind him playing 1st at all, and i remember him being an all star for a few years as well, the dude can put up some good numbers when healthy, and last year with 25 homers on an OFF year? that’s still damn legit, good shit
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
32 HRs in Arlington works out to like 10-15 HRs at the phonebooth
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Soooooooooo about what the current 1st Basemen are doing for the gigantes?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well if that is the case it probably would not be worth signing him
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anything can happen dude, you never know what’s up
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can stomach a former Dodger
and get him relatively cheap, I wouldnt mind Beltre
Over a .300 OBP all but twice in his career, consistent 20 Hrs, will pr0bably hit about .270
Panda would probably have to move to first, but Beltre has a career .956 fielding % at 3rd.
He had a bad year last year, way down from his normal production which could make him cheaper, and maybe moving back to the NL could help
I know he was a Dodger, but whatever will help the Giants is fine with me.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I suppose next you’d want Andruw Jones
and bring up the gold gloves
and 50 HR potential
and veteran presence
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually Im mostly targeting youngish guys. Beltre is 31 and one of the best hitters on that list that wont break the bank. I didnt say anything about veteran presence. Its an idea. Rosterbation. No need to be an asshole.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, i’m just quite content with our 3b situation
the last time beltre signed a free agent deal, he miraculously aged an extra two years
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also went to a terrible, horrendous home park where right-handed pull hitters get annihilated..
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by baetown415 on Nov 10, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was also worth the money seattle paid him…
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by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Beltre either.
His Dodger days are far behind him.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As are his two-testicled days.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre would be my choice as well...
he did have a down and nicked up year last year, likely making him a slightly cheaper option then if he had performed as he had every other year with the M’s. I’d be shocked if he signs a deal for more then 2 years, as I’d suspect he’ll want to play to healthy seasons and try and get a fat contract at age 33. He’s a stud fielder at 3B, and his bat is at least average, with the potential to be better then average getting out of SAFECO. I also think a move of Pablo across the diamond to 1B perhaps allows him to do some spot duty at C and help ease Buster in there, while not being a black hole in the lineup at the position (I’m looking at you Eli Whiteside). If nothing else, having Beltre and moving Pablo accross the diamond adds some flexibility to the team in my opinion. Finally, since this is my first post… thanks for having me guys, mid 20’s Giants fan living in Central NY and hating being in Yankees country.
by JoshShep50 on Nov 10, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His bat is not “at least average,” by any measure, if you’re going by 2009 stats: 82 OPS+, and that’s park adjusted! You have to believe in a bounceback to think he might be average on offense. Sad to say, but this past year he really was Pedro Feliz. And he’s not going to be that cheap; I’m guessing 2/$10M.
by taliesin on Nov 11, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Judging his offense by one down year that was plagued by injury is a mistake in my opinion. His OPS+, using the same stat you choose to look at, for the previous three full seasons show marks of 105, 112, and 108, so looking for “at least average” performance offensively from Beltre is not a stretch by any measure – if he is, at age 31, fully healed from his injury. That leaves out, however, that in the same three years Beltre hit 25 plus home runs and dazzled on defense. Those are two specific assets the Giants could greatly benefit from. If I have to choose one free agent to target, he’s the one I’d choose.
by Sayhey on Nov 11, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s going to be expensive. He had a great 2009, his defense is always solid, and a lot of teams will take a chance on him getting close to 2004 again. Plus, he’d force Pablo to first, a situation I think we should avoid at all costs.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Does It matter If Sandoval Plays 3B or 1B?
As long as the team overall is better who cares?
by giantsrainman on Nov 10, 2009 1:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because the team wouldn’t be much better overall with Beltre at 3B and Sandoval at 1B than it would be with Sandoval at 3B and Garkawa at 1B. It would be better defensively, but I will be mildly surprised if Beltre outhits a Garkawa platoon. Certainly it strains credulity to think adding Beltre could add more than 1 win. For like $6M.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just +1 if it makes the team better, is all. I don’t care where Pablo plays, 1B or 3B, as long as it makes the team better.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the point: it doesn't make the team better
by sfoakbay on Nov 10, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Reply Above Had Nothing To Do With Beltre Specificly
I was only addressing quincy0191’s statement “Pablo to first, a situation we should avoid at all costs.” I never addressed (nor did I intend to address) the question of weither a Sandoval/Beltre 1B/3B combo made the Giants better then a IshiGarko/Sandoval 1B/3B combo.
by giantsrainman on Nov 10, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as was i
in pretty much any situation, pablo to first and (insert 3rd baseman’s name here) will worsen the offense
by sfoakbay on Nov 11, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simply Crazy Talk
It just ain’t that hard to find somebody to play 3B that will outproduce Garko/Ishikawa at 1B. Now you can argue that it should be easier at 1B but that is beside the point.
by giantsrainman on Nov 11, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Sandoval is less valuable at 1B than 3B so the 3B you’re bringing in would need to be better (at a guess 1 WAR better) than the 1B to have equal impact on the team. Unless the 3B you’re acquiring is available for a relative bargain compared to the 1B you’re going to be spending money inefficiently.
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by GiantFan on Nov 11, 2009 5:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he had a terrible 2009!
he hit the fewest Hrs he has hit in a season since his rookie year (8)
his OBP dropped .023 points from the year before, and was well below what he usually does
he slugged under .400 for the first time since his rookie year
his OPS was under .700 for the first time since his rookie year
The only thing that didnt drop was his avg.
Players have had bad years before in contract years
It will only make him cheaper, and maybe a return to the NL West where he was so good would help him.
But if anything that will
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of tentatively like Marlon Byrd too, if I’m being honest.
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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Im kinda with you, but Ill do some research before I commit to one side.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, i don’t mind him also, that’d be a good pick up in my opinion if the price is right
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems he basically popped out of nowhere the last two years to be a productive player.
But Omar Vizquel was productive when you put him in the middle of the Rangers lineup in that ballpark.
20 Hrs with a .330 OBP and a .986 FP is pretty enticing though
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s sad when a .330 OBP looks enticing. Sigh.
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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that would have been, what, second on the team? third?
and for relatively cheap too
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and
byrd can play cf when rowand gets dealt for bradley
by giantdonkey on Nov 10, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What were Byrd’s splits? Looking at absolutely nothing numbers wise, I automatically will assume that Arlington inflated his homers.
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by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeaaaah
home – 14 dingerz, 282/336/538
away – 6 dingerz 285/322/419
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by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ill take 285/322
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in a vacuum, yeah fine I’ll take it…it just seems like kinda what you said…in that old lineup he was able to produce well. In ours, I don’t know. Really hard to predict once they play in the ballpark, and are surrounded by low obp guys, etc etc. If we can add him and Johnson and a patient rest of the team then I can trust it more.
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by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See the thing is, this is allllll speculation, none of us really know how a player will react to a new ballpark, he could explode or just not do well at all and fade out. I’m not going to make any assumptions though on how a player will do at ATT, hell, if the guy hits a ton of doubles and is a gap hitter i’ll take it, i’ll take any hitter who can hit the ball out of the infield. But you see what i’m saying, i’m agreeing with you on how to predict how they’ll play in a different ball park, you just never know
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear what you’re saying, but same was said about pitchers in Colorado (humidor withstanding), and eventually management figured it out, picking up crafty vets and drafting guys like Ubaldo, Francis, and Morales. I just don’t think Sabean has figured out what numbers to be looking at yet when evaluating hitting talent
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at Slugging and HR
There is a big shift when he goes to the Rangers. Some of that, you can explain in prime years, but not a lot. The overall lines with the Phillies and Nationals aren’t very good at all.
Year Age Tm PA HR OBP SLG
2002 24 PHI 36 1 .250 .371
2003 25 PHI 553 7 .366 .418
2004 26 PHI 378 5 .287 .321
2005 27 TOT 259 2 .323 .376
2005 27 PHI 15 0 .400 .308
2005 27 WSN 244 2 .318 .380
2006 28 WSN 228 5 .317 .350
2007 29 TEX 454 10 .355 .459
2008 30 TEX 462 10 .380 .462
2009 31 TEX 599 20 .329 .479
8 Seasons 2969 60 .340 .422
PHI (4 yrs) 982 13 .332 .377
TEX (3 yrs) 1515 40 .352 .468
WSN (2 yrs) 472 7 .318 .366
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/9/2009.
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by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL his SLG jumps 100 points when he gets to Texas. That’s not questionable at all!
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marlon Byrd is so lame.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. Uribe seems like an exception to the rule cause he still brought some Dingerz. Just seems like everyone goes to die when they come from the AL to our ballpark
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by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let me fix that
Just seems like everyone goes to die when they come from the AL to our ballpark
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by heimy25 on Nov 9, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but
If were going to sign an outfielder it better be a clear upgrade over the logjam we already have. Im not sure that is Byrd.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, that ain’t too bad at all, he’s not really known for his power hitting though, i guess he has 60 for his career?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
idgaf about home road splits
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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why we just park-adjust all the numbers?
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by baetown415 on Nov 10, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you. I do think there is value at looking at home splits between seasons. But with Byrd its hard b/c he had some injured years
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really great OBP numbers. And %BB generally.
And the ballpark effect in Arlington worries me as well. Career slugging of .373, goes to Texas, since then, .468.
No likey.
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by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say platoon, but he doesn’t really show a big split in his career.
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by baetown415 on Nov 10, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think he’s a decent backup choice if other options aren’t suitable or he’s available cheaper allowing us to spend elsewhere.
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by GiantFan on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have said Jermaine Dye
Even with his age, and crappy second half, I still think he has something left and would have been a legit power source that would come cheap. But that was before he was named a class A, so there’s no way I’d take that chance now. That doesn’t leave many appealing options, so I’d wait for the Rockies to non-tender Garret Atkins, then sign him on the cheap to play third, since he’s still young, had a bad ’09 but was solid before that, and at the very least would want to stick it to the Rocks 18 games a year. And bringing back Brad Penny would be a good move too.
by crazedcrustacean on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine Dye is a BAD player. People keep saying that he’s worth something because of _. No. As a DH, he’s not a good enough hitter. As an outfielder, he’s not a good enough defender. He’s below replacement. He’s old and getting older. He’s not worth a starting job anymore, and he’s obviously not a defensive replacement. I don’t know why anyone would sign him; there’s got to be some young outfielder/DH with potential you could give the job to.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He hit 27 home runs and had a .340 on base percentage, which is better than anyone the Giants have, and that’s in spite of a poor second half. If not for being a type A, he’d be a good low risk signing for this team, since young outfielders with power potential aren’t always easily attainable.
by crazedcrustacean on Nov 10, 2009 1:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He Gives Up All His Offense On Defense And Would cost A Draft Pick
Signing him is about as dumb a move as the Giants could possibly make.
by giantsrainman on Nov 10, 2009 1:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For once I agree with GRM
dye would be a huge mistake. Watching him play RF in the phone booth would give us nightmares that would last for years, and LF wouldn’t be much better.
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by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 3:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, i’m pretty sure that wouldn’t work out too well, then again, anybody playing in RF would have to adjust, that’s why i really thought Winn was one of our better defensive outfielders for the Giants. The winds would reek havoc on Dye plus the dimensions as well. But yea, they need someone younger and slightly better defensively
by PiKAgiant on Nov 10, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer more than "slightly" better, personally
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by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the White Sox decline to offer him arbitration, which seems likely, would he even cost the Giants a draft pick?
by Hobbes2d on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn’t cost a pick because the Sox are not going to offer him arbitration. Nevertheless, GRM is perfectly correct that Dye represents the nightmare scenario of offseason acquisitions.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
David DeJesus
Would anyone be interested in trading for him? He’s been rumored for awhile now as a possible trade chip for the Royals in an effort to cut payroll. He’s good defensively, He can play CF or LF, he’s walks at a rate better than any Giant regular. He’s not a hacker. He is kinda like the player we got when we were trading for Randy Winn a few years ago except he’s a little bit younger and he doesn’t steal 20 bases a year.
My guess is he could be had for very little because he’s arbitration eligible and if we decided not to resign him for another year or two, he would probably qualify for at least Type B status if we let him walk. He’s the sort of mid tiered player who can bring an upgrade to the Giants both defensively and offensively.
Say you get DeJesus, sign Mike Cameron, and find a first baseman in Delgado or Nick Johnson and you suddenly have a much improved offense for not that big of a price tag.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 10, 2009 12:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
DeJesus and Jesus Guzman would be a nice combo to have on the 40 man roster
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by heimy25 on Nov 10, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally Depends On What He Costs To Trade For.
by giantsrainman on Nov 10, 2009 1:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This should be the default answer for any rosterbatory queston
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Kila, Kila, Kila!! Free Kila!!
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s available for not a lot then he’d be a decent acquistion. Not sure he’d make a lot of sense if we signed Cameron as well though unless he’s available for hardly anything (which i doubt)
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by GiantFan on Nov 11, 2009 5:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on
If we offer B Molina arbitration, why would any team want to pay Molina, a type A free agent, and give up a draft pick?
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by Classy_Argonaut on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Desperation?
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by baetown415 on Nov 10, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we need this to work out
because if we are going to make any sort of splash in FA, we will need the supplemental picks to make up for the players we sign.
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by Norcalfan10 on Nov 10, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those picks are darn valuable. I agree with that and have been for several years. The real question though brakes down to this:
Picks > Molinia hitting #4 all season in 2010
or
Molinia NOT hitting #4 all season in 2010 > Picks.
We are fooling ourselves if we think Big Head will bat Molinia anywhere else. Big Head views that as being disrespectful. In this case I switch camps and belong in “Molinia NOT hitting #4 all season in 2010 > Picks”. But it is good (if depressing) discussion to have.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Omar Minaya’s track record?
Plus, there have been rumblings that all Minaya is is a front b/c Wilpon makes all the decisions.
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On a side note
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How long are you out?
Also, pix or it didnt happen
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by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pixs of the women, not the symptom
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chone Figgins
If he went to Philadelphia, that’d be horrible…
I want a 3B so the Panda can move to 1B and the Ishikawa/Bowker/Aurilia/Garko experiment can officially end. I also want to keep Uribe on the bench but, sadly, if Sabean determines that he’s going to be their everyday 3B next season I wouldn’t contract incredulitis…
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by sroufe on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chone is not worth the money he will get
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a fan of well played defense in baseball.
Even I think signing Figgens to play 3rd is paying too much for glove work and bit of a top of the order bat. Not to mention the Jumbo-Costco-Eecono sized package of mediocrity that move would deliver. Panda will need to be moved to 1st soon enough. Let us enjoy and use the few years he play 3rd without being a liability. Hopefully Sabean will screw up and bump into a real first baseman one of those years.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only guys that are big improvements are Holliday and Bay. There are others like Delgado and Johnson that have the potential to help IF they stay healthy.
Guess I’d throw in my vote for Delgado assuming that the two LF’ers are priced too high.
I would also like the pick up of Zaun. Is Benjie arb eligible? I thought we was just a FA. If so, offering him Arb, which I would think he’d decline, is a good idea.
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He is a Type A free agent, which means that if the Giants offer him arbitration and another team signs him, they will get a draft pick in return.
Arb-eligible is used for players who have not yet become eligible for free agency and are out of the “cost league minimum” stage of their career – like Tim Lincecum or Jonathan Sanchez this season.
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by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thx for the clarification. Well offer him arb. If he takes it, we need a catcher for next year anyway. Doubt he’ll do it.
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You’re not bothered by the specter of Molinia hitting #4 on a Big Head team 2010?
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, of course, but I think it’s worth the risk because he won’t take arb.
by joethejet on Nov 10, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, every team needs a Catcher next year. They also need a Pitcher, 3 out fielders and bunch of different infielders.
The difference between the Giants and other teams is that the Giants have a catcher who can start for them next year already on the roster
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Crap.
Here we go again. Still. Whichever.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 11:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i want to know who in the club is saying they’d like to keep Molina.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm…does he know that Lou Seal is a known liar
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PEDRO SANDOVAL!
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by rotorueter on Nov 10, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF! I auto-corrected that! LOL NYPost! Its the Pittsburg Pirates of Newspapers
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It took me until the second read to catch it, as well.
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by rotorueter on Nov 10, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t EVERY paper run a cartoon of a new president of the U.S.A as a monkey? I am sure we can find several of Reagan and both Bushes in the first week of their first terms.
Besides why stand in the way of a good freak out?
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Sorry, rosterbators you took the info straight out of The Post
Burned us just like toast
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by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL N.Y. Post.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I laughed when I read that you wanted Nick Johnson.. but then I looked over the available free agent market and almost started crying. There’s nothing there for us at 1st base or outfield. The Yankees are probably going to get an outfielder, so that makes it even tougher for the Giants.
Adam LaRoche maybe?
Everyone keeps talking about Posey playing shortstop, but what about 1st base? Or, move Pablo to first and Posey to 3rd?
Nady to play RF?
God, it looks to be more and more obvious that the Giants are going to have to trade some pitching to find a decent hitting option.
by aBulldog on Nov 10, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Braves let LaRoche leave?
by Hobbes2d on Nov 10, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there some reason you don’t want Posey to play catcher? Why so interested in moving him? Also, he cannot play SS — he was moved out of that spot when he was in college because he and his FSU manager agreed that he didn’t have the lateral quickness to play there at the ML level. He could probably play third, and I would say that would be at least a good way to keep his bat in the lineup when he was getting a day off from catching. But fundamentally, he’s a catcher. His value comes from the fact that he’s a catcher who’s a pretty good hitter.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Erik Bedard
He was paid $7 mil and $7.75 mil the last two years, but he pitched 81 and 83 innings those two seasons, respectively. There’s going to be some serious deflation of cost there because of the injury risk.
However, even with only 30 starts in 2 years, he was 3 Wins Above Replacement.
I would expect his cost to go down to no higher than $4-5 mil on a 1-year deal. If he continues to pitch at the same level, he’ll be well worth it, giving 1.5 WAR.
A rebound in health would reap big dividends. Good buy-low candidate, especially if the price drops down around $2-3 million.
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by dregarx on Nov 10, 2009 1:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Duchscherer was paid 3.9 million last year for a season in which he did not pitch. In his last full season (2008) he went 10-8 for the Athletics with a 2.54 ERA and a WHIP of .995. I don’t do this research stuff more so I do not know where to look for his WAR. But I like this guy, he’s good.
He could probably be had for 3.5 mil or cheaper because of his inactivity., but would still be a bargain for what he was paid in 2009.
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by scout6 on Nov 10, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When You say 'I like this guy'
I can’t tell if you are referring to Bedard or Duchscherer. But either way, I agree with you.
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by dregarx on Nov 10, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Talking about Duch.
Bedard makes me “meh”
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by scout6 on Nov 11, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Russell Branyan?
If we’re going to be talking about plus 30 oft-injured first baseman why not go with a guy with more power and similar OBP? Coming off a career year and would probably still be cheaper than Johnson. Anyone else have some love for Woody Harrel… I mean Branyan?
by awok6 on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hes got one even decent year under his belt. Not worth it
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't be choice 1...
for me, but considering he’ll still likely come cheap because there are a lot of people scared by his lack of track record as a full time starter and his k’s. His power is legitimate, look at his career numbers, and he actually is an adequate fielder somehow. I’d still rather see a risk taken on Delgado if the Giants are going to sign a 1B… or as someone else alluded to, deal for Kila Ka’aihue… that would make my year.
by JoshShep50 on Nov 10, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The word is he wants a multi year contract (2-3 years) and he has turned down the M’s offer. 2-3 years = DNW , Does not fit on the 2010 Giants in my book.
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by daveinexile on Nov 11, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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and I meant to say, he wouldn’t be my 1, but I’d take him if other options fall through… of couse meant to say and said are not the same, hahaha.
by JoshShep50 on Nov 10, 2009 9:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One guy I’d target in the FA market is Beltre. His combination of power and defense make him a good bet to improve both aspects of the Giants team. It would mean moving Pablo to first and the end of the Garko tenure with the team. Both sides of the diamond get a substantial upgrade – if Beltre rebounds from injury. The latter is a risk, but one worth taking to my mind. Other than that, I’d not take a flyer on any of the big names in on the market. I’d love to have both Molina and Uribe back for short term contracts at reasonable rates, but I don’t think that will happen in either case.
After that it is the trade market for any real chance for an upgrade in the outfield – I still think the Rowand/Bradley trade would be a great risk to take. Not sure the Cubs would really go for it, but that’s something to really “kick the tires” about.
by Sayhey on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't un-interest myself in Figgins.
He’s not the answer. He will never be the answer. I want him anyway.
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by beat_la_25 on Nov 10, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tee-hee, Grant’s a slut.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 11, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs