2009 Elias Rankings

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST Comment 55 comments

Molina is a Type A.

Bob Howry, Randy Johnson and Randy Winn are Type B.

Type A free agents (with former team):
Jason Bay, OF, Boston
Rafael Betancourt, RP, Colorado*
Orlando Cabrera, IF, Minnesota
Johnny Damon, OF, Yankees
Octavio Dotel, RP, White Sox
Jermaine Dye, OF, White Sox*
Chone Figgins, IF, Angels
Mike Gonzalez, RP, Atlanta
John Grabow, RP, Cubs
Kevin Gregg, RP, Cubs
LaTroy Hawkins, RP, Houston
Matt Holliday, OF, St. Louis
Orlando Hudson, IF, Dodgers
John Lackey, SP, Angels
Cliff Lee, SP, Philadelphia*
Victor Martinez, C/1B, Boston*
Bengie Molina, C, San Francisco
Melvin Mora, IF, Baltimore
Darren Oliver, RP, Angels
Placido Polanco, IF, Detroit
Manny Ramirez, OF, Dodgers*
Marco Scutaro, IF, Toronto
Rafael Soriano, RP, Atlanta
Miguel Tejada, IF, Houston
Jose Valverde, RP, Houston
Billy Wagner, RP, Boston
Randy Wolf, SP, Dodgers

Type B free agents (with former team):
Garret Anderson, OF, Atlanta
Rod Barajas, C, Toronto
Erik Bedard, SP, Seattle
Joe Beimel, RP, Colorado
Ronnie Belliard, IF, Dodgers
Adrian Beltre, IF, Seattle
Doug Brocail, RP, Houston*
Marlon Byrd, OF, Texas
Kiko Calero, RP, Florida
Mike Cameron, OF, Milwaukee
Carl Crawford, OF, Tampa Bay*
Doug Davis, SP, Arizona
Carlos Delgado, 1B, Mets
Mark DeRosa, IF, St. Louis
Justin Duchscherer, SP, Oakland
Scott Eyre, RP, Philadelphia
Jon Garland, SP, Dodgers
Brian Giles, OF, San Diego
Troy Glaus, IF, St. Louis
Vladimir Guerrero, OF, Angels
Rich Harden, SP, Cubs
Ramon Hernandez, C, Cincinnati*
Bob Howry, RP, San Francisco
Nick Johnson, 1B, Florida
Randy Johnson, SP, San Francisco
Jason Kendall, C, Milwaukee
Adam LaRoche, 1B, Atlanta
Braden Looper, SP, Milwaukee*
Felipe Lopez, IF, Milwaukee
Brandon Lyon, RP, Detroit
Jason Marquis, SP, Colorado
Guillermo Mota, RP, Dodgers
Xavier Nady, OF, Yankees
Will Ohman, RP, Dodgers*
Miguel Olivo, C, Kansas City*
Vicente Padilla, SP, Dodgers
Chan Ho Park, RP, Philadelphia
Carl Pavano, SP, Minnesota
Andy Pettitte, SP, Yankees
Joel Pineiro, SP, St. Louis
Fernando Rodney, RP, Detroit
Ivan Rodriguez, C, Texas
Brian Shouse, RP, Tampa Bay*
Russ Springer, RP, Tampa Bay
Fernando Tatis, IF, Mets
Yorvit Torrealba, C, Colorado*
Jason Varitek, C, Boston*
Tim Wakefield, SP, Boston
David Weathers, RP, Milwaukee*
Randy Winn, OF San Francisco
Gregg Zaun, C, Tampa Bay*

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This site would freeze when I tried placing this link into the body of the fanpost. SBN BRASZ!

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

David Weathers is still around?

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by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

And is worth the same in draft pick compensation as Mike Cameron and Carl Crawford…

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Nov 9, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What a country!

by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No Winn Situation

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/09/giants-advise-randy-winn-to-seek-employment-elsewhere/

Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's

by The Gene Hackman on Nov 9, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That's somewhat reassuring to hear

Winn was a great Giant, but he he’s not a good fit for this team anymore.

by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If GREAT = SUCK, then yes.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Nov 9, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oldrips = wrong

by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He sucked out loud in 2009. Other than that, he was pretty good.

by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Giants Manager Bruce Bochy loved Winn, and that might explain why the front office won’t look to bring him back in a reserve outfielder role. Even if they were to re-sign Winn to get 200 at-bats as a reserve, Bochy might be tempted to play him more often.

interesting speculation by Baggs there

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by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 2:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Is our Giants learning?

by Natto on Nov 9, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Castilla all over again

Bochy being Bochy.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Nov 9, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s disturbing how true this is.

/disturbed

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by Giant among Angels on Nov 9, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wynn is ~~unrated~~ unemployed.

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by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn you! I’m not to breathe heavily out my noise and you made me snort!

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think we were better off with Bengie being a B player

IMO, this kinda hurts us. The big spenders love draft picks too and won’t want to give up too high of a pick for Bengie. I’d hesitate offering him arbitration now.

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Nov 9, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking this also. Maybe the Giants will get lucky. We’ll find out.

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Nov 9, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I still dont think it hurts

I’d take Bengie on with arbitration, its a win win situation for the Giants. Someone will pick him up as he is one of the only catchers on the market that has some “decent” offensive numbers. He will get 2 years somewhere.

Offer Arbitration and if he accepts, he will be a few million and you can trade him.

by Giant Voodoo on Nov 9, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

by nelson95 on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol rbis

by sfoakbay on Nov 9, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Eh, offer it anyway. If he accepts, then you have a catcher for 1/2 the season, if not you get draft picks.

by tyrannoman on Nov 9, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bengie Molina on roster + Bruce Bochy = Cleanup Hitter

"It's too late now."

by ResDog on Nov 9, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I was about to post this

And somehow, for some reason, thought I would be the first.

by sakbaum on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bob Howry as well. The amount of shit he got this year notwithstanding, he should be able to find a job this offseason pretty easily

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 2:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

And yet I would be giddy if the Giants actually got a draft pick out of letting him leave. Cool

by m34josh on Nov 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jermaine Dye is a Type A free agent

LOL Elias

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by jcb9 on Nov 9, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The vomit icing on the shit cake that is Jermaine Dye 2010!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Nov 9, 2009 2:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

/signs him to 4 year deal

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE

by CB30 on Nov 9, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

/for 50 million

by sfoakbay on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah there goes our pick.

Also really, Molina a type A?

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by scout6 on Nov 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Elias don't count walks

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunston signed as senior advisor

Let's bring the...

by Swager on Nov 9, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dye

No way the White Sox offer him arbitration, so it’s a moot point.

by nelson95 on Nov 9, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would take a shot and offer arb to Molina

I think he’ll refuse, and if he doesn’t he only delays posey for 1 year tops.
I think it’s too risky to off to Winn, he kinda has to take it.

by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

PLEASE...........NO

Don’t do it. What happens if he accepts arbitration and he comes back? EPIC FAIL.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Cut him

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I don’t think Molina will accept the offer at all. They should even tell him they are going to have Posey starting next year, just to really seal the deal.

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I see that MLB Daily Dish predicts Bay to Giants.

by campanari on Nov 9, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

they are morons. Its basically a rehash of mlbtraderumors.com

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

MLBTR has Bay re-signing with the Red Sox

by velvadp on Nov 9, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Offer arb to: Molina, Howry, Johnson

Don’t offer arb to: Winn

The way I understand it, you don’t actually have to offer these players 80% of their previous year’s salary in arbitration if they’re not within the six years of team control; you can offer whatever you want. So tell them you’ll give them some shit salary. Molina will sign with another team; there are plenty of clubs that need catchers and are stupid (20 HRS! WOW!). I’d be okay with Howry returning, though he likely won’t (and I’m on the fence about offering him arb anyway), and Johnson will likely get a deal somewhere else to start considering the dearth of pitching. Winn really doesn’t have anything to bring to the team anymore; we have too many young OFs who need a shot.

by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The meer thought of Big Head filling out another season of line up cards with Molinia makes me pee down my leg in fear & rage.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So tell them you’ll give them some shit salary.

We should offer that to Lincecum. He might accept…if it’s good shit.

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by Goofus on Nov 10, 2009 5:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Arbitration

When is the deadline for teams to offer players arbitration? I’m growing impatient with all the speculation. I wonder who arbitration is going to screw this year.

by Fresburg on Nov 10, 2009 9:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Cot’s says it is Dec 12 this year. It ussaly in the first couple week of December every year.

One of my favorite rosterbation dealines comes arround Thanksgiving as teams need to set their 40 Man rosters to protect players for the rule V Draft. This year’s rule V drafts happen Dec 7th.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

any nuggets on whom the Giants will protect/not protect?

by Fresburg on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not yet. For as long as I been following this team I have never gotten any better at figuring out which farm hands they are going to do what with. It is both frustrating and makes me appreciate the Steve S, Brute, Baron and the prospect hounds all the more.

Part of why I like the Rule V is it gives me a reason to did back through other teams farms and see which experienced farms hands have done what in the last season. Another reason is it is chance for teams to improve a glaring weakness without a 2-3 contract. The 3rd reason is it gives guy that have spent years riding busses a chance to fly in jets and eat something besides peanut butter and Ritz.

Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.

by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I assume that Pill will be one of those guys since Baggs hinted that he would be likely added to the 40 man.

by Fresburg on Nov 10, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m assuming the Giants will do anything to keep Brian Bocock.

"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings

by SFGuy on Nov 10, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

HE’S ON THE 40-MAN, IT’S OK.

by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually...

Arbitration deadline is Dec. 1st. Players have to decide by December 7th. The December 12th line is the deadline for teams to make their actual contract offer that’s submitted to arbitration, assuming the players accepted.

ESPN confirms this.

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by BruteSentiment on Nov 10, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs