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Wow! He paid the victim’s family money to get out on bail? Wow!
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by Goofus on Nov 8, 2009 6:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow
150 large. that pretty much buys the whole dominican doesn’t it ? nice country….
by giantdonkey on Nov 8, 2009 6:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whole thing just seems to get stranger and stranger
by ACgiant97 on Nov 8, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if he beats the rap just because he has a checkbook, I’m not sure how happy I’ll be to welcome him back to the Giants. On the other hand, if innocent and just getting pinched because of he’s deep pockets, it’ll be great to see him back.
Of course, we might never know what really happened.
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by Goofus on Nov 8, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing it was a crowded club. Someone knows exactly what happened.
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by SFGuy on Nov 8, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what does this mean exactly? My legal knowledge is comprised solely of “Law and Order” reruns on TNT, so I’m pretty oblivious, but does this mean he can come back to the states and continue with baseball until the trial is held? and for that matter, if the money went to the family, does that mean they aren’t pressing charges somehow or something? It’s seems very odd what has been reported so far.
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by joeytothelimit on Nov 8, 2009 8:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If their law is like ours, no one needs to press chargers to be charged with murder.
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by Goofus on Nov 8, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right, that’s what I would assume too obviously, but where does the money going to the family fit in with what has happened? It’s just weird, especially if that had something to do with him being able to be free on bail or whatever. Mainly I just wonder what happens next with his baseball career
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by joeytothelimit on Nov 8, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its also odd because when it happened, reports said he would spend two months in jail until the trial. That was what, 1.5 months ago? Did he pay the bribe to get out of jail for two weeks, or for good?
by m34josh on Nov 8, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s out on bail, and out of jail, and that’s the way it goes … rrrhuh!
by SnowLeopard on Nov 8, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SO DON'T DO IT!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And “it” here evidently includes, when in shady bars in the Dominican, dissing big young guys who lack discipline at the plate
by SnowLeopard on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If their bail is anything like our bail, it seems unlikely that he’ll be allowed to leave the country until the trial is over. OTOH, I seem to remember Juan Uribe coming to the US while his case was still pending, so who knows. .
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by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey may have problems getting a visa now.
(if convicted)
This is just bail. He’s not off the hook yet.
by seyheystretch on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
out on bail
fresh out of jail, CALIFORNIA DREAMIN! AS SOON AS I STEP ON THE SCENE, I’M HEARING HOOCHIES SCREAMIN!
by kornstar2004 on Nov 8, 2009 11:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You took my thoughts
And put them into an McC comment.
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by GiantPain on Nov 8, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I going to hell for laughing at this?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 9, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I’ve heard of the Dominican Republic and the justice system, I hope he’s got money left over for the judge.
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by rxmeister on Nov 9, 2009 5:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
From what I’ve read, it sounds like the family decided to drop the charges, but that could be as a civil suit. I am pretty sure, like rxmesiter said, he’s gonna have to pass along some money to the judge as well in order to beat this one.
Pretty scary photos of him wearing a bullet proof vest in court. Sometimes I am really happy to live in the US
by Mrbasepaul on Nov 9, 2009 10:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Moral Question
If he buys his way out… would you be comfortable having him on the Giants? And rooting for him?
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by GiantPain on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
1) B/C of the corruption in the DR we will never know if he was targeted for prosecution by a over zealous judge/DA/ public official.
2) Athletes are not role models. (Steroids)
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by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As I said in my post above, we might never know what happened for sure, but if he killed a guy in cold blood because he was dissed and ends up beating the wrap becuase he writes checks, I’ll have a problem with it.
I would think the Giants would too.
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by Goofus on Nov 9, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Morally
I’d have serious problems, especially rooting for him.
I can’t stand all this ambiguity.
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by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you root for Uribe?
IIRC, the facts surrounding attempted murder case were equally ambiguous.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 9, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps it’s the American in me that presumes him innocent until proven guilty, but that’s where I’m at
right now.
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I also think that although he’s young, it will be real difficult for him to have a baseball career regardless of the investigation’s outcome.
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by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since when did Americans presume innocence?
That’s only the justice system, the public can (and does) presume whatever it wants.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 10, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Something was just mentioned on KNBR that there are now witnesses willing to testify against AnVil. Kinda makes me go “huh?” when this is announced AFTER the paying money to the family thing is announced…
by Merope on Nov 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The KNBR guys might have read Bagg’s article from yesterday. He links to a six week old article about three witnesses testifying against him. Lots has changed since then apparently considering he wasn’t supposed to get out of jail before the trial at all
by m34josh on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Garrtt Broshuis’s take here: link
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by SF Pete on Nov 9, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t blame him for paying off the family. I would do the same thing if I was innocent and charged with murder in a corrupt country.
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 6:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If nothing else
It shows that there’s enough evidence against him for the case to go forward. If there wasn’t, he’d have simply been let out of jail.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 10, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All the evidence we know of is eyewitness testimony; not exactly the most reliable thing in a situation as cloudy as this, and as easily bought as this.
Basically, paying off the family means nothing either which way. Even if he were innocent, a good lawyer would almost always advise him to avoid a trial. Weird things can and do happen at trial even in relatively well ordered legal systems. And the D.R. ain’t any of that.
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by haverecords on Nov 11, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think all it proves is that he doesn’t want to go to jail. It says nothing of his guilt
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another question: What should the Giants do?
It’s fascinating (in a weird way) to consider what the Giants would do if he doesn’t face charges.
I’d say this situation is probably unprecedented. Sure, teams (in all sports) have had to figure out what to do with players who were accused of all sorts of crimes. But has there ever been a case with such a strong stench of checkbook justice? Americans can forgive a guy who beats the rap, like a Ray Lewis; we generally trust our criminal justice system and we figure that if a guy walks, it’s because his lawyers were better than the prosecutors’ and that’s how the game is played. But that’s not the case for third-world countries; we get offended if a guy bribes his way out of jail.
Myself, if I owned the Giants . . . I’d run away from him. It’s too risky.
Right now, it seems to me that the notion that he’s innocent and being squeezed is just wishful thinking that’s not supported by a lot of evidence.
Throughout his career, there will always be a strong possibility that at some point, a fuller picture will emerge that does implicate AnVil. Imagine if this comes out right after he makes his first All-Star team. It will be hanging over him until he retires.
Worse, imagine if some criminals came into possession of evidence implicating him. Would you feel comfortable having someone like that on your team?
Furthermore, if he’s guilty, who’s to say he wouldn’t do something like this again?
All of this, of course, assumes that we learn nothing more about that night. If exonerating evidence came to light, of course, that would change things. But based on what we know already, he does sound guilty.
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by Flapjacks McGurty on Nov 10, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’s a position player in the Giants farm system. He’ll play himself out of a job soon enough.
by seyheystretch on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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