Who Should The Giants Acquire to Play OF In 2010?
by AndrewWK on Nov 8, 2009 2:41 AM PST
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Who should the Giants try and acquire to play OF in 2010? I think if there is one thing we can all agree on, it is that the Giants need some help in the OF. Below is a poll of at least most of the popular names brought up in recent posts on the subject. I have excluded Matt Holliday and Jason Bay to flatten out the curve. Sorry to all if I left someone off.
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So confusing
Should I vote for the first Carl Crawford or the second Carl Crawford?
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2009 7:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think getting Cameron and playing him in CF while moving Rowand in RF makes sense. It will never happen.
by xanthan on Nov 8, 2009 7:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rowand in RF at Mays Field will be pretty funny.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2009 7:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
what a drop down in arm strength from Nate to Rowand.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he would most likely be OK. He was +1.3 runs in CF last season. He’s an average defensive CF give or take a few runs.
by xanthan on Nov 8, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep wondering — do they account for the free bases he gives up with his incessant overthrows of the cutoff man in that system? Because I keep thinking his throwing should be costing him more in the defensive metrix than it seems to.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there’s a base taken penalty in it.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 8, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s one of those things that drive us crazy as fans but seldom make a real difference in the game. According to run expectancy tables, the difference between a runner being held at first and a runner moving up to second is generally between one tenth and one quarter of a run. So Rowand would have to give up a LOT of free bases for it to have a significant effect on his value.
by Evan on Nov 9, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has any one seen the stat that tells us the differnce in a GiDP when the runner starts out at first instead of second? I am willing to bet that it is signifcant.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if I guestimated that he did that 30-40 times a year (which seems about right to me), then we’re talking about somewhere in the nature of 3 – 10 runs given back in the year through this particular lack of fundamentals. If it’s as high as 10 then that is somewhat significant isn’t it?
And the driving us crazy part is because it’s frankly just profligacy. There’s no lack of skill or physical ability involved, he’s carelessly tossing away bases because he apparently can’t be bothered not to. And of course it’s one of those rookie mistakes that gritty veteran leader types never make because they know better.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Nov 10, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There’s no lack of skill or physical ability involved, he’s carelessly tossing away bases because he apparently can’t be bothered not to.
I admire your ability to say this with out a single cuss word.
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by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW (not much, probably) UZR has Rowand’s arm at -2.3 for 2009. Of course he might be giving away runs with his arm when there are runners on by missing the cutoff man, but getting some back by preventing singles being stretched to doubles when the bases are empty.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he only has to nail the lead runner once to make up for a lot of idiotic throws. The difference between runners at first and third with one out vs. a sole runner at second with two out is nearly a full run.
by Evan on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’d be talking about the difference between runners and 2nd and 3rd with one out vs. runner at 2nd with two outs, no? Because it’s the tail runner advancing on the overthrow that’s at issue right?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/crashes into the bricks
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we could sign Stephen Colbert
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by say hey nation on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner, Neal, …
huh, I can’t even come up with a ridiculous proposal for Grady Sizemore…
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by thehavenot on Nov 8, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Podsednic, what the Fu€k?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rowand for Bradley.
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by dregarx on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think this is going to happen, the only question is
whether it happens early in the offseason or after some of the FAs get snapped up.
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by Al Rosen on Nov 8, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It won’t happen. Bradley most likely won’t get traded. And certainly not to the Giants. That deal makes too much sense for Sabean to consider it.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are definitely going to trade Bradley, especially after the way the season ended and a lot of people on the Cubs came out and ripped Bradley for his on and off the field behavior.
Trading him for Rowand straight up seems unlikely, though.
by Outshined_One on Nov 8, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. I see them getting rid of him, certainly, but I’d be surprised if they found a trade partner (a REAL trade partner. Swapping him for some high-A relief arm doesn’t really count, nor does eating the entire contract for a mediocre prospect). He’s been a great outfielder in the past, sure, but I think most GMs know the position Hendry’s in and they’re going to exploit that. He may get traded for some crap piece, yeah, but I don’t think he’ll bring anything of value.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean would never make that trade.
Good clubhouse Gamer for headcase loser. Never. I’d love to see it happen, but it isn’t going to happen.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a couple of intriguing guys
I like Baldelli but given his injury history he shouldn’t start but he could be a decent 4th OF/Platoon guy and if we could trade Rowand and sign Cameron that would be great.
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by Gobroks on Nov 8, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of Bowker/Schierholtz/Lewis in LF/CF/RF, and I’d be quite content with that. Of course, Rowand and Velez have to play somewhere, so I can’t have that, but still.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
/ takes this as tacit endorsement of my rosterbatory “semi-rebuild” post, which happens to have this exact outfield
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I half-agreed with that post; the Giants can add some pieces this offseason and contend next year, but we shouldn’t go in a FA-frenzy in an attempt to contend. Many of the internal options may or may not be viable, and we need to give the young guys a shot to find out who works.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we need to give the young guys a shot to find out who works.
Isn’t that what we’ve been saying for the last 3 years? I just don’t understand how Sabean hasn’t managed to give these guys a chance to sink or swim yet…
by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand how he hasn’t managed to figure out he has to give these guys a chance to sink or swim. I don’t understand why he hasn’t ripped into Bochy for how he handles the players. I don’t understand why he’s still the general manager of a major-league baseball team. There’s a lot of things to not understand about the Giants’ front office.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Left handed outfieLOLd
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SCIENCE
by CB30 on Nov 8, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we seem to have a ton of LHH and switch hitters. Not too many RHH, though a lot of them are starting so it seems like there are more than there actually are.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Crawford is the best player on this list, but there’s no way Sabean trades for him. Still, he’s the one I chose because he is the best on the list.
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by cornball on Nov 8, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson to platoon with a non-Velez lefty
/will keep throwing this idea out there
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Nov 8, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Crawford, Upton or Cameron
Those are the only ones I’d like to see on the Giants next season.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 8, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
TSUYOSHI "THE TSUSHIMA HAMMER" SHINJO
(fellas … I’m telling you … I gotta have more brightly-colored wristbands ….)
by SnowLeopard on Nov 8, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what we’re seeing this offseason (just like last offseason) is the epic failure of the Sabean strategy of signing free agent bats that is leftover from the Bonds era. There just aren’t any good ones available that we can afford.
Of course, the Sabean alleged strategy of trading pitching for hitting is an epic failure as well, but that’s more on execution than anything else.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sabean’s brain says, “You see, if the free agent class doesn’t have any stellar players, then a mediocre player may be the 10th best acquisition of the offseason, which makes him a good acquisition. And if you tie up all your free agent dollars in those mediocre players, you won’t have to try and outbid the bigger teams for a great player when one comes along. Because more often than not, you won’t be the one that signs that great player, which is really not good for your self-esteem.”
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait for Sabean to kick some tires!
/hides in corner
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 9, 2009 2:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take Vlad, Upton, Crawford, or Vlad
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by ejdacanay on Nov 9, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Woops meant Dye
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by ejdacanay on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This your OF in 10 years ago…
This is your OF now…
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VROOM!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kid's got some wheels there
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by RDreamer on Nov 9, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, how did the Rockies take the wild card with players like this?
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad
We don’t have a DH.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Woops meant Dye
We don’t have a DH.
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BJ Upton
But mostly to help with signing his brother when he becomes a FA.
by dprodigy19 on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not the fact that he posted a .387 wOBA at age 22-23, with an overall 4 WAR while being a bad defensive player, and has since become a stud defensive CF? Then posted 5 WAR the following season? Man, if that BJ Upton ever shows himself again, you’re looking at a HoF’er.
by Missing Barry on Nov 9, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rays Exercise $10M Option On Crawford
Crud
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 10, 2009 4:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That was always going to happen
Giants could still trade for him, but there was no reason for Tampa to decline a $10M option on a player who is worth more than $10M. Even if they want to shed salary, they had the choice of declining the option and getting nothing for Crawford, or exercising the option and getting something in return when they trade him.
by taliesin on Nov 10, 2009 7:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to be expected
look for him to be shopped if the rays are struggling at the deadline
by sfoakbay on Nov 10, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants don’t have the payroll to take him on unless they shed something big. This is the best pipedream of the offseason thought.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reply fail to taliesin.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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