Time for a Semi-Rebuild?
by dregarx on Nov 7, 2009 8:55 PM PST
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Description: Just one of the many battle plans we could follow this offseason.
There is just something I find undeniably sexy about blowing up a roster. I look at what Neal Huntington has done to the Pirates with a mixture of awe and envy. However, like normal fans, I hate it when my team sucks, so a full rebuild is out of the question.
But there’s another option: the semi-rebuild applicable to grotesquely lopsided teams. What would it look like if we took the dynamite to the offense and left the pitching staff intact? The new lineup may even be better than 2009’s, and no matter what, our pitching means we will be some sort of a contender.
Game Plan
Aim for a top-10 offense in baseball in 2011.
1) Get rid of highly-paid veterans; cut costs to maximize options in the 2011 offseason (no free agent signings)
2) Open up as many positions as we can for our young (relatively) players and take inventory of their various skills by starting them the entire year: a season’s worth of statistics can go a long way in making personnel decisions en route to a top-10 offense. Also, many of these players are improvements over what we have now.
3) Use any compensation picks and freed up money from step 1 to draft players above slot. Preferably, find college hitters with a good chance to contribute soon and offer the money needed to sign them posthaste. This will get them on an affiliate quickly and put them on the fast track to the big league club.
Specifics:
Send off Molina and Winn; maximize draft pick compensation
Deal Rowand; it will probably be necessary to eat some of the contract
Start:
LF Bowker
CF Schierholtz
RF Lewis
1B Ishikawa/Garko
C Posey
Current minor leaguers who are possible ’11 starters include Neal, Crawford, and Bond; see how they handle transitions to new levels.
The 2011 offseason, we would have a ton of spending money. Priority: locking up Caincecum to long-term deals; an early hella-year deal with Sandoval is possible as well. SS and the positions (1B, OF) where the homegrown players bust will be open for premium free agent talents.
As I said, this is but one of the many paths possible this offseason. It is probably the most efficient way to a sure playoff team, but it most likely leads to another middling near-contention year in 2010. For those of us who are impatient, this approach is not desirable. But if the ultimate goal is a ring, and not just contention, this strategy is commendable.
Edit: From the first few responses I'm getting here many are seeing this as some large amount of roster turnover and as essentially a white flag strategy, giving up on the season to put players on the field who otherwise would not have played before. However, almost all of these starters are the best we have in-house at the moment (Schierholtz being probably the lone exception). Please recognize that the 'Semi-Rebuild Strategy' is defined much more by what it doesn't do- sign the free agents available this offseason and trade away pitching for hitting- than by what it does do, because the primary aim is extreme payroll flexibility next offseason.
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Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 7, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would LOVE this approach
Which is why I was against signing FSanchez – imho, Freddie won’t be the 2B on The Next Good Giants Team™, which isn’t even possible until 2011 at the earliest, and is more likely for 2013.
So I’d put Downs at 2B.
Garko at 1B.
Rohlinger at 3B.
I guess we’re stuck with Renteria at SS.
Posey gets a year in AAA.
Sandoval at catcher.
Bowker definitely in LF.
Torres in CF.
Bradley in RF (for 1 year only, and with Nate as ever-ready backup).
Clear the decks. Winn and Molina are gone. Get rid of Rowand. My Cubs friend says he would absolutely do the Rowand/Bradley trade, so maybe that’s a start.
Bring on the Semi-Rebuild!!
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 9, 2009 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Generally, I would agree, but I’m also not putting up the white flag.
So I would rather play Posey over Rohlinger (with Sandoval at 3B) and not have Downs in the lineup if it could be helped.
If the Sanchez trade never happened, I think a trade for Kelly Johnson or a signing of Sanchez in free agency to a 1-year deal less valuable than his current extension would still go well with the Semi-Rebuild. We really don’t have good 2B options in-house.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rohlinger could play some second rather than downs. Not that I agree with the plan, just sayin’.
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit, who is currently teaching Madison Bumgarner the art of being intimidating.
by Speedforthewin on Nov 9, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Rohlinger>Downs if only for the versatility.
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Uribe signs elsewhere is this Spring Training a Steel Cage Death match between Rohlinger & Zork ? If Rohlingers has harnessed his arm I got to like his chances.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys vastly underrate Matt Downs. Not that he’s an All-Star or anything. But I think he’d be perfectly competent, and with a modicum of power.
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 11, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not a utility guy. He’s played some first and some third in the minors, but he’s really a second baseman. Rohlinger’s a 3B/SS/2B, though primarily a 3B, which gives us an extra 1B in Pablo.
by quincy0191 on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of what Quincy is saying. I think Downs has a very legit chance to take a starting position in the next couple years. Though, I guess, in the Sabean era that probably dooms him to wondering the diamond playing positions on the MLB level he has not manned since before he was drafted. But that is reason I was not counting him in the 2010 Utility Man Steel Cage Match.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. I can totally see Bochy having no idea how/where to play him.
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 18, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have a shot at the playoffs. That’s not something you should take for granted; when it comes, you go for it. You just don’t go all-out, spend every last dime on mediocre upgrades, and trade the farm for more mediocre upgrades, which is exactly what the Giants do.
by quincy0191 on Nov 9, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice if the ever read the memo from the Stats department noteing there are TWICE as many post season teams now days compared to 1992 and before then plan accordingly.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice if they ever read the memo from the Stats department noteing there are TWICE as many post season teams now days compared to 1992 and before then plan accordingly.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the words of The Smokin Ace...
puff…puff…pass
by ACgiant97 on Nov 7, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nah
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 7, 2009 9:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
1) Get rid of highly-paid veterans; cut costs to maximize options in the 2011 offseason (no free agent signings)
what does this even mean? you can’t just cut expensive players and not pay them. These contracts all constitute sunk costs. We have to pay them no matter what.
We could trade them, but its doubtful that Zito or Rowand could be traded w/o picking up a big chunk of their contracts or trading them for equally bad contracts.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 7, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I should have clarified which specifics refer to which categories.
In this case, it actually only refers to not resigning Winn and Molina, not signing any new free agents, and trading Rowand, if at all possible. I did not ever mention Zito.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 7, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2009 was the year to “hold off” and the Brass decided that wasn’t a good idea. They’re not going to suddenly decide that 2010 is a good year to play all of these young guys and hope they have a better record than 2009.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 7, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nor should they. Bowker to me is the only guy on the big club that I’m not sure what he’s entirely capable of, and he’s still got an option left barring a Schierholtz trade prbably won’t get many AB’s this year either.
Off topic I wonder what kind of trade value Schierholtz has, if any.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 7, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We know that Lewis is an average corner outfielder, good for 2+ WAR, so in that respect the team would be better.
We know that Posey does not have the brain-dead Puerto Rican approach of a Molina, and his hitting will likely improve the catcher spot, so in that respect the team will be better.
Schierholtz- his minor league career does not indicate an OBP so close to .300, and his BABIP was .36 points below his minor league career level and .43 below the BABIP of his previous years.
The Garko/Ishikawa platoon is another respectable position set.
Bowker is also playing here.
With the sinkholes at 2B and LF sealed up (the one at SS will just have to be dealt with by Edgar), this lineup is considerably better. So the only true ‘young player’ risk is Bowker- we’re not looking at a wholesale removal of talent in the lineup, in fact, this one is considerably better.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 7, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a little baseball approach racism.
We know that in general players from Bengie’s home territory do not like to take the walk, but Bengie is a special case all by himself.
by bradleybear on Nov 8, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We know the tendencies of the ‘Caribbean’-area (to generalize) hitters. And if we adjusted for that standard, Bengie is still extremely impatient. Yikes.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
with the pitchers this team currently has and the fact that they managed to get 88 wins while being tied for second last in RBI’s says that the team is on the brink of something and is only one or two bats away from locking up a spot in the post season.
it’s about what this team can get in the free agency (come on Bay) or what they can trade for which will get them results, not holding out until they get lucky.
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 7, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You realize that RBI for a team is statistically equivalent to runs, with a slight variation due to errors, right?
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
having guys who can get RBI’s is more important than having guys who can score on errors. you get guys who can get you RBI’s you get more runs. DUH.
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 8, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE CAN DRIVE HIMSELF IN
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LO-fucking-L
This absolutely hilarious. I haven’t laughed this much in a long, long time. RBIs are more important than runs? Ridiculous.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 8, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
when it comes to individuals yes. you need guys who are going to score. how many times last season did the giants have men in scoring position and couldn’t get them home? RBI’s are important
obviously overall runs scored are important, but even if you look at overall runs scored the giants are still 5th last, which means that they can get guys into scoring position, they just can’t get them home without the other team fucking up. which is an issue
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 8, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RBIs are not important. RBIs are completely situation-dependent and using them as predictive stat is absolutely useless because there are so many variables involved. Runs aren’t great, either, but they are more important and useful than RBI. Plus, they actually allow you to compare offenses. But if you want to improve the offense, you don’t worry about finding RBI guys. You worry about finding OBP and SLG guys because production in those categories at an improved rate will lead to more runs scored.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 8, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you trying to win the Fail of the Year award? Do you think RBI is a more important stat than OPS? I suppose you also think batting average is hugely significant.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, with the Giants runs are much more important that RBIs. Especially because you don’t get an RBI for scoring a runner on a double play.
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit, who is currently teaching Madison Bumgarner the art of being intimidating.
by Speedforthewin on Nov 9, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re in over your head in this argument
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 8, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, Do you realize you’re dangerously close to calling for a 5 run home run?
There is only one way to score a run or an RBI without a runner already on base when the better steps into the box. This is called a solo Home Run and even the greatest of home run hitters have trouble hitting over 50 home runs in a year a lot of those already have a runner already one base. This is the only time an hitter creates a RBI on his own and it is an exreamly rare event.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 8, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that teams win by scoring more runs than each other, not by tallying more RBI.
DUH.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
reality-based analysis
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem that the Giants’ management has is that once they see a chance at competition one year, they jump to do everything they can to build a contender for that year. Some offseasons (like this one) just don’t have good free agents, but the FO signs a bunch anyway because they think Players X, Y, and Z will catapult us to contention. They don’t look to the future, and they tend to try and build teams around the free agents they pick up and fill holes with the farm, which is backwards.
The Giants have the opportunity to contend next year, and they absolutely should not squander it. But they shouldn’t take their traditional “all-out” approach and grab everyone they can find, tie up FA and arb dollars for the next five years, trade the farm, and send us into a spiral of failure for five years in exchange for a couple playoff appearances. We should grab a couple medium-risk, high-reward free agents for reasonable deals; if we can’t get the player we want, we don’t bid like crazy or replace him with a worse version. And I think there are trade/FA targets (Nick Johnson, Mike Cameron, Milton Bradley) that would greatly improve this team for relatively little money. We can and should be able to compete for a while on the strength of our pitching and young guys; winning in the postseason is not so much a matter of how good you are as how many opportunities you get.
by quincy0191 on Nov 7, 2009 10:32 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
+1
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 8, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 9, 2009 6:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+3
Cameron and Johnson would be massive improvements.
OF of Cameron CF, Rowand LF,Nate RF would offer GREAT defense and good enough hitting (okay well, not really good enough, but better than what we’re used to.) Johnson would be an huge upgrade over Garkawa.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 9, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute, when did this team stop rebuilding?
Re-building requires something to tear down. This team ain’t done shit yet.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 7, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, since we’re talking about the offense…
The last time this team had a legitimate offense was 2004. In related news, that year was the last that we had 90 wins. This would be the ‘rebuilding’, for lack of a better term, delayed by Sabean for for 3 years as he clung to the last throes of the Bonds era of offenses and inexplicably delayed further in 2008 and 2009 with his Rowand and Renteria signings, neither of which put the team closer to a title than in-house alternatives would have.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 7, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just building, though.
The “re” part implies that we have some veterans to trade away, which we really don’t.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but now we’re talking semantics, and not strategy.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It requires that you tear something down. It doesnt require that you tear down something good.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nahhh
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
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by haverecords on Nov 8, 2009 1:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I really “envy and awe” the Pittsburgh Pirates. The first time any one of their young players starts to reach their potential, the salary demands will cause the Pirates to trade them off. Pedro Alvarez is a Scott Boras client. They will never supplement their young players with good FA signings, so they will never win.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 8, 2009 7:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't make that assumption
We’ve already seen, negative one days after the World Series ended, a trade in which they committed $5 million to a supplementary position player. The net result was trading Chavez and Sanchez for Alderson and Iwamura and $3 million.
But nobody expected such an investment from them.
Also, I don’t ‘envy’ the ownership’s strategy re: payroll and overall stinginess, but rather the course of action taken by Huntington with his moves.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s more evidence to support the idea of a shift in mindset in Pittsburg.
First of all, the fact that Alvarez was drafted at all. As you said, he’s a Boras client. A couple of years ago, the Pirates wouldn’t have gone near such a player in the draft. But now, their drafts are characterized by signing players to higher bonuses and sacrificing monetary costs to get player quality.
A couple of years ago, Kevin McClatchy was replaced by Bob Nutting; since then, the shift in draft bonuses took place. It would not be an unreasonable expectation to see them lock up their young talent to long-term contracts rather than trading them now that their veteran wares have been stripped bare, especially considering the fact that in the past they never would have drafted an Alvarez in the first place.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Pirates for the same reason I like the Marlins and Rays. The Pirates have been far less successful than either Tampa or Florida, but they’ve had a little worse luck, too. The Marlins and Rays seem to been good at developing young stars, then flipping them for more budding stars. The Pirates are trying to do that, but they don’t trade quite as well and their farm doesn’t spit out great young players like the other two; that’s a little bit their fault and a little bad luck.
The Pirates also haven’t taken advantage of their young stars as well as the Florida teams, which is why they’re not as successful. They don’t build around a core for a few years, they keep trading pieces of the core so every few years they have a different core. But they’re working from a successful playbook for low-budget teams and that’s to be admired. Higher payroll teams should work from the same playbook, and use their money to better complement the young players and erase mistakes, which the Giants aren’t doing.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McCutchen for Cain!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 8, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No man, Huntington would come to Sabean and Sabean would be like
“Please! What is this 23-year old outfield crap! You’ve got nothing to offer me, Neal. WHERE ARE TEH VETERANS???!?!!?”
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 8, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
saying that Huntington is smarter than Sabean isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 9, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no but I sure as hell know which I would rather have as Giants GM
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not against the posters approach
I’m not so sure that some of these young guys would start getting major league better and start turning it around. Bowker, Schieholtz, Lewis, Torres, Velez outifield could be quite formidable. Just do not expect big power numbers from Lewis, although when he hits a few they may really be walloped
by bradleybear on Nov 8, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bowker, Lewis, and Schierholtz have the best chance to succeed IMO. But we don’t really know if they will, because Bochy won’t play them enough to find out, and Sabean keeps giving him alternatives. That’s the biggest problem.
by quincy0191 on Nov 8, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Feliz Option Declined!
Lets go Sabean, Sign him! He is far enough into his decline for us! Remember that one year he had a lot of home runs? Hes the power hitting corner infielder we have been waiting for! I am so not looking forward to this offseason…
Please refer to username
by SabeanPlusBochyEqualsEpicFailure on Nov 8, 2009 6:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sabean’s said all the right things this off season, so I’m not giving up hope until he makes an actual move. Yes, he re-signed Freddy Sanchez, but from what I’ve read he’s not talking to Bengie Molina or Randy Winn at all. He’s talked about increasing OBP, and he talked about taking his time and looking for bargains. I’m guessing he convinced Bow Tie, because he received a new deal, so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 9, 2009 6:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds okay,
except for the part where we punt the affordable years of Lincecain and don’t even begin to attempt to field a competitive offense until their controlled years are essentially over.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 9, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, Sanchez, Posey, and Lewis are all tangible improvements from our players from last year.
All it takes is a breakout season from one of Schierholtz, Lewis, Posey, Bowker, Ishikawa, or Garko to put this team in the playoffs, IMO.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you need to lay off the glue.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 10, 2009 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ grabs glue!!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 10, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ tries to get his glue back from daveinexile, fails, undergoes forced rehab
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 10, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to find better glue then
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, that's a stretch
Breakout season from one of those players would only get us to about 85, 86 wins.
Semi-rebuild is one option. I’m not endorsing it, just putting it out there.
It doesn’t necessarily preclude 1-year deals because the whole point is to have money to spend next year.
So a one-year deal for Nick Johnson, a one-year deal for Duchsherer/Bedard, and a Rowand for Bradley trade would not be remiss. I’d welcome all three of those moves, at reasonable payroll cost for the free agents.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the corner stone of your plan (don’t resign Molina or Winn) is a no brainer under any circumstances.
Rowand isn’t worth the money, but he’s better than what we have, may as well play him (unless the cubs are stupid enough to take him). Zito is the same way.
The rest of your plan is “don’t sign free agents” but that just assumes they will use the money they save ($20M?) and bump the payroll up next year… but they can only do that for 1 year… so by not spending $20M this year on FAs, they get to… add $5M to the pay roll for each of the next 4? Whee!
But of course, they will just pocket the money.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 9, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They’ll have around $15 million. I mentioned that much of that can go to signing bonuses for draftees and foreign amateur players. It would be great to use that money to have a kick-ass draft, picking up players who drop due to bonus demands.
There will be more left. One year contracts to a 5 starter, relief pitcher, backup catcher, utility infielder- these will pretty much tie up the rest of it. 1-year deals keep the flexibility for 2011 and can be used to give our roster more depth.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dukeshirer, Medders, Bard, Carroll. Sweet.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 9, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine. Go sign your Bay/Dye/Figgins/Scutaro to a multi-year deal.
Did I mention that all four of those are Type A’s? Three of them (Dye exception) are definitely going to be offered arbitration. Good look maintaining success with money that could have been used to extend Lincecum going to some vet in his 30s and no 1st round draft picks.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is just me but
I think I’d much rather have Bay than a late first round draft pick. Just sayin’.
by Josh L on Nov 10, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh. He’d lose some power coming to AT&T, and his defense is already bad enough that it seriously impacts his good bat. He’s probably worth a first round draft pick just because this year’s crop isn’t that great from the very little I’ve heard. But he’s not worth the pick and the deal he’s going to get and the fact that he’s going to block some kid with potential.
by quincy0191 on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t.
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by cornball on Nov 10, 2009 5:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to take the cost of contract into account.
The draft pick is an additional cost, and I wouldn’t want to sign Bay for what he’s going to get even without loss of draft picks.
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by dregarx on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as you were putting players in my mouth, I figured I’d do the same for you.
Unless I was assuming sarcasm that actually wasn’t there and you are enthusiastically awaiting the arrival of Josh Bard, backup catcher?
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hrm reply fail.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a fantastic plan
To make sure that Posey starts as many games as possible.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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