Hate the Yankees, not baseball.
by Grant on Nov 5, 2009 2:00 PM PST
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So it begins. I’ll bold the following, just so you know that I’m not crazy.
The Yankees have an inherent advantage. They committed hundreds of millions in one offseason to bring in C.C. Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, and A.J. Burnett, which is something that no other team can do. Signing those players is a big reason why the Yankees won a championship. The Yankees have an inherent advantage.
So I’ll never argue that payroll doesn’t matter. But I was listening to KNBR, and the hosts were going off on baseball’s lack of competitive balance. (If a KNBR intern can leave the following on a post-it note on Bob Fitzgerald’s desk, that’d be just peachy: according to the USA Today, the Cardinals were 17th among MLB teams in payroll, the Rockies were 18th, and the Twins were 24th. So please retire the "seven out of the top eight payrolls made the playoffs" line. Thank you.) Yes, the Yankees had an advantage. It was a substantial advantage. But, like every single championship team, they needed a little luck to go along with their spending, drafting, and trading.
The Yankees featured a starting lineup with four players who were 35 or older: Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Johnny Damon, and Hideki Matsui. Not only did all four stay healthy, but all four each had some of the best seasons of their respective careers. The Yankees deserve credit for developing Jeter and Posada, and they deserve credit for being able to separate the Damons from the Rowands, but having all four elder statesmen produce at the level they did is insane. And it wasn’t just the ballpark inflating their numbers; they all had legitimately fantastic seasons.
The Yankees outperformed their Pythagorean projection by eight games, which is also pretty danged lucky. The bullpen was anchored by a 40-year-old, a homegrown prospect, a 17th-round pick, a minor league free agent, and a guy who put up a 5.9 K/9 in the Mexican League two years ago. That’s a testament to solid scouting and player evaluation; it’s also a big grab-bag of luck and fortuitous circumstances.
Factor in some expected declines for any of the over-30 set, throw a couple of gas cans in the place of David Robertson and Alfredo Aceves, and the Yankees have a tougher road. You could do those kinds of hypotheticals until it gets ridiculous – "If Alex Rodriguez found a power ring on Ryxxl-4, he’d be a new Green Lantern, and he wouldn’t even play baseball." – but the larger point remains: Money, and money alone, isn’t all it takes to win a championship. There has to be a series of astute maneuvers – picking up Nick Swisher for a sack of doorknobs, not trading Melky Cabrera for Alan Embree, sticking with Robinson Cano after a down year – and a bunch of luck to go along with the money.
So, yes, the Yankees had an advantage. They’re able to brush off contracts like Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright like no other team can. When something that was legitimately unlucky happened – Chien-Ming Wang going Scott Munter on the AL – it’s more than luck that the Yankees had $500B in offseason acquisitions to help round out the rotation. The, uh, Royals don’t have that luxury.
But the Yankees didn’t win the championship last offseason. They haven’t already won the 2010 championship. Pretending anything differently is a disservice to baseball. The sport is fine, dammit.
Congratulations, Yankees. Now go eat a bowl of scorpions and break your ankles while tripping over a pile of champagne bottles because you can all screw yourselves. You and your spoiled fans can all screw yourselves. Winning a single championship would warm my heart for decades. Decades. I just want one. Can you please just give us one of your 27, you greedy, imperialistic bastards?
Great. Now I want to stab something.
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I still hate the Yankees.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WHEN WONT YOU HATE THE YANKEES
Always will
by PiKAgiant on Nov 5, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By combining all payrolls for all teams this year
The Yankees have spent 9.8% of that pool
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
On the other side, the Yankees payroll actually went down from last year according to Cot’s
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it did. That’s so incredible to believe with all the money they spent on just three players.
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by djp4cal on Nov 5, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A little OT:
When I was in NYC a few weeks ago, I noticed a huge change in sales tax percentages on purchases I made. A nice lady at a purse store informed the misses and I that the things we were buying were helping fund New Yankee Stadium. We returned a lot of purchases after that.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your mention of the Mrs. changes my reaction to the post.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 5, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/scratches head
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for working hard to not support evil in this world!
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Nov 5, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Yankees as much as any other proper American, but the ridiculous criticisms that come out about them do get tiring.
“THEY BOUGHT A CHAMPIONSHIP!” says the guy who was cheering for the Red Sox in 2004 as loudly as the rest of us were.
I also got an “I don’t see how they’re WORLD champions since I don’t remember them playing any other countries” and then pointing at the WBC as a respectable pool of competitors.
by troymccluresf on Nov 5, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you ain’t Dutch, you ain’t much.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 6, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drinking shots? Here come the Scots.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you can’t sign Will Ohman, look for lefties in Oman.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he scratches like he’s got fleas, he’s probably Portuguese.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Nov 6, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Close enough
If he’s poopin’, he’s Cuban
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 6, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we sign Bonnie Prince Billy?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least he sees the darkness that is our lineup.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 6, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t help but laugh last night when Ken Rosenthal asked Jorge Posada if it felt even more incredible after not winning a championship since 2000. 9 years! That’s a long time!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 5, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My heart bleeds for them.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fans in Chicago, Cleveland and San Francisco would like to tell Rosenthal to STFU.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 5, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would probably go right over his head…wait everything goes over his
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 5, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NINE LONG YEARS! HOW COULD THEY MANAGER TO LIVE!
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by djp4cal on Nov 5, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
now, that’s a drought
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere around the third game of the World Series I abruptly lost all interest. My heart shriveled up into a black lump of contempt for the Yankees and what I perceived to be their inevitable victory. I hope my baseball self mellows out some with old age.
by non sequitur on Nov 5, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I couldn’t get myself to care much after that either. Hell, I made plans for tonight, assuming nothing good (if anything at all) would be happening.
by troymccluresf on Nov 5, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I sometimes wish you’d make more comments that didn’t seem to have anything to do with the post at hand.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously my name gives me no choice.
What’s your sig line about?
by non sequitur on Nov 5, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid football fans.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I sometimes wish you’d make more comments describing other people’s sexual conquests.
by Grant on Nov 5, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if you lot would bother having a few I’d be able to describe them.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh great
Cue goofus with a “I slept with your wife/girlfriend/mom” joke.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All three were great, but I can rank them if you’d like.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 5, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m choking, trying to not laugh out loud.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Nov 5, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Will the rankings be over all of on strongest strengths?
( I am sure there is a + + joke in here if I look hard enough.)
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
Our own WalrusMan apparently made failblog:
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me too
except replace “third game of the World Series” with “Labor day”
I mean, at least the “Not Dodgers” won!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 5, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering they’re one of 30 teams, that’s not good enough. And considering that I only actively hate about five or six teams, the Yankees winning the World Series is unacceptable.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love baseball
But this is a problem with baseball. A problem that needs to be fixed, in my opinion.
Yes, teams like the A’s and the Twins and middle market clubs can compete, but as you said, they do so DESPITE this problem in baseball. The off-again, on-again success of those teams does not demonstrate that this is not a problem.
Again, I love baseball. It’s miles ahead of my enjoyment of any other sport. But I do envy the relative balance of the NFL and the NBA…
I just wanted to get in before finishing my work and going to get my kids. Because when I do that, this thread will have 900 comments and I won’t be able to participate as well as I’d like.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I don’t like what free agency and salary caps have done to football. You don’t often get players that spend their entire career with one team. I also don’t like the veterans will get cut to give salary cap room so they can pay some rookie 42 gazillion dollars to [most likely] suck.
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are certainly problems with both the NFL and NBA systems, as well.
I think it’s nearly impossible to find a perfect system. But for the overall health of the game, I think either of those other two systems is better than baseball’s system.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Utopian Baseball League
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 6, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The NBA system allows a team’s players to be re-signed over the salary cap with no exceptions (that I know of), unlike in the NFL.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Nov 5, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF, this looks like a massive reply fail. By like half a page.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Nov 5, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tomlinson looks like he’s going to be a Charger for his entire career and I’d bet a dollar that Brady, Peyton and Big Ben stay with their teams.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’d probably have made that same bet on Joe Montana, right?
by taliesin on Nov 5, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or that Green Bay guy… Brett wuzzizname?
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drafted by the Falcons.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you revenue share local TV and Radio revenues, I think you’ll see that the Yankees won’t be able to afford to spend quite like they do today.
To me, the only thing that shouldn’t be shared across the board is the gate. You have to have something to motivate a team to do well.
Jet
by joethejet on Nov 6, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think it's only about the money
Just remember how the good the Giants were when they had a $50M payroll, and how shitty they were when they had a $90M payroll.
Anagram of "suck it Russell Martin" = TRUER SKILL: SCUM STAIN
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 5, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Y’know, at this point, I don’t really hate the Yankees that much. Now, media coverage of the Yankees is another story…
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about this last night, there isn’t a single Yankee player I hate. It’s their fans and their arrogance that rubs me the wrong way.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate is a strong word.
But I certainly disapprove of A-Rod.
by Bad Horse on Nov 5, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sports hate not real hate.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But sports hate can feel like real hate.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 5, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though he’s going to par tay?
by troymccluresf on Nov 5, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like A-Rod, true. He’s pretty hard to like, what with the millions and the creepy narcissism and the hey-hey-hey. But I found myself rooting for him a bit in the post-season, just because he’d been unfairly branded with the “NOT CLUTCH” label. Well, that’s over now and I can go back to A-Rod disdain.
by taliesin on Nov 5, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CENTAURS ARE AWESOME! Fauns and satyrs, on the other hand…
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree
I think I have more of a problem with their cocky-as-hell fans than the actual players.
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by djp4cal on Nov 5, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is probably true for a lot of the teams I dislike. I don’t mind the players, but I get really tired of the media coverage and/or insufferable fanbase.
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Nov 5, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely. The coverage that the Yankees get is sickening. The players, other than A-Rod, I don’t have a problem with.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 5, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mutters, " Cowboy fans".
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YEE-HAW HOW 'BOUT DEM COWBOYS!
Meh.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 6, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Hideki Matsui and his giant porn collection
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He collects porn with the giants pictured?! Talk about weird.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can it involve these two, please?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their post game responses about how long it has been, and how they had forgotten made me hate them.
Also the scoreboard flashing “THIS ONE’S FOR YOU, GEORGE” If one person ever deserved to never live to see his team win another championship, it was that guy.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well on the one hand George Steinbrenner is an insufferable sonofabitch. On the other hand I sure wish the Giants had an owner who only cared about winning.
by taliesin on Nov 5, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Happy for Matsui. Now come sign with Hanshi n and fulfill another dream.
Screw the rest of the pinstripers.
by armzdealr on Nov 5, 2009 2:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Do it and all the Colonel Sanders in town will be spared
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, spending $200 million doesn’t guarantee winning a championship. They could have given all that money to me instead of A-Rod and Teixeira, for example. But it sure makes it a whole lot easier. And it’s when Yankees fans can’t acknowledge even that much that it drives me nuts.
This year was just so much more egregious than other Yankees championships—their entire playoff starting rotation (Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte) was acquired through free agency in just this past offseason. Their two best hitters, A-Rod and Teixeira, were also acquired through free agency, and have contracts that are simply unaffordable by any other team. Add to that the revelations that A-Rod was a habitual steroid user and that Pettitte used HGH and well, it’s like Mr. Potter bought the Building and Loan, and then kidnapped Tiny Tim for good measure.
This is the year the Yankees’ spending advantage went from barely rationalizable to outright parody.
by Bad Horse on Nov 5, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod was traded for. And they gave up Soriano to get him. But, the Yankees also have an advantage in trading because many times players push to get sent there and those players’ huge salaries often dictate that the Yankees are on of the few teams that are willing to take them on. Roger Clemens was another examle of this (I was going to comment on who the Blue Jays traded Clemens for but I can’t even remember their names…Homer something and a couple crappy pitchers).
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by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, good point on A-Rod being initially traded.
But after he opted out of his contract, he was a free agent again, and really, nobody but the Yankees could have afforded his new contract.
by Bad Horse on Nov 5, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
now now
Pettitte was $5.5M, and he’s pitched there for three years (although this year on a 1 yr contract). Granted, on top of the ten billion spent on pitching, it’s chump change to them, but it’s not like Pettite was breaking the bank. Remember the Ginats spent $8M on Johnson.
And as for the steroids/drugs, they’re not particularly unique. They just (unfortunately) didn’t have a board member get appointed to write the “investigation” report.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Nov 5, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah… Buck was saying last night “A lot of people accuse the Yankees of buying championships. [long list of outrageous salaries] …but Andy Pettitte was only 5.5 million!”
Way to make a point, Joe.
by troymccluresf on Nov 5, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…and he had a great series/post-season. I was impressed.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He usually does.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point he does he leave the Hall of Very Good Players and get serious HOF votes, right? Then I look a Raines and the way BLB is still talked about and I wonder just how all that will shake out in 10 years.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to make ONLY 5.5 million for a year of work. I think I could handle it…
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, if the Yankees have a single player making less than eight figures, they do not have an advantage. Them’s the facts.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I didn’t want the Yankees to win is because I knew I’d have to hear people whine about the money they spend.
So it was either going to be AROD SUX IN PLAYOFFS or YANKEES SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO SPEND MONEY. Augh.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 5, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Grant doesn't get mad, he gets stabby
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nother reason why I don’t mess with Grant.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“That’s a testament to solid scouting and player evaluation”
Money certainly is in play regarding this as well. Management goes out and buys the best scouts and player evaluators their obscene wealth can bring!
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Nov 5, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can't we all at least be happy for A-Rod?
Hey Sandoval, mix in a salad. Everyone else, mix in a walk.
by Woody'sShed on Nov 5, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nightmare fuel
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 5, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Rodriguez: Cheaters do prosper!!!
The best example of that is F.P. Santangelo. Safe to say that steroids secured him his role as a player and now a CSN analist.
Only reason he was able to be a utility player was the roids. No way he could have even been that otherwise. Got paid league minimum for however many years he was in the league. Because
All the money he “earned” and is receiving now from Comcast can directly be attributed to the roids. At least Bonds/Arod/Others would have been good players anyways
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Nov 5, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Different sport but you could put Romoanski on that list. He also ruined a teammates career by knocking him out. And now he’s an analyst for CSN.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they gave that job to him out of pity.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly……………
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the junk Romanowski is pitching now? Neuro1 ? Everytime that damn commercial comes on we both do a double take, it sure as hell sounds like he’s saying something else.
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HI I’m FP SANTANGELO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT STEROIDS AND THE PRESSURE I FELT TO USE THEM AND HOW THE SPORT IS DIRTY AND NOT CLEAN AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO COME OUT BEFORE THEY’RE CAUGHT AND HI I USED STEROIDS DID YOU HEAR THERE WAS A TEST AND I CAME BACK POSITIVE I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CHEATED I THINK WE ALL REGRETTED IT I’M FP SANTANGELO HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT STEROIDS IN BASEBALL PLAYERS THEY USE IT LIKE I DID LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT IT
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh, I could have sworn I had the caps lock on that whole time…
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KNBR Caller: You know F.P., uh, I really, uh, admire your courage in coming out and admitting, uh, everything.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 5, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You sure that wasn’t Ralph talking?
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by djp4cal on Nov 5, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HI I’M FP SANTANGELO
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HAVE I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE TIME I WENT TO THE PLAYBOY MANSION?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear he told Felipe what to “do,” if you get my drift.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FELIPE ALOU IS A NICE OLD MAN I’M FP SANTANGELO DID I MENTION THAT
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I might be done with this now.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him telling his story on KHTK in Sacramento and callers grilling him about why he lied all those years. He had no answer.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’M FP SANTANGELO AND I USED STEROIDS DO I REGRET IT NOW I SUPPOSE I DO BUT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURE WHEN EVERYONE IS DOING IT AND YOU CAN GET A LITTLE MORE BAT SPEED AND MAKE A BUCK YOU KNOW RIGHT
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anagram of "suck it Russell Martin" = TRUER SKILL: SCUM STAIN
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 5, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
BILLY MAYS HERE FOR MOUTH STEROIDS
TWICE THE TALKING WITH ONLY PARTIAL BRAIN MELT!!!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 5, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd, super hard
Also, salary cap leagues don’t have dynasties?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No. The NBA is a paragon of competitive balance. Durrrrrrrrr.
Another point I didn’t put in there: It’s a good thing that the Yankees have an advantage. They have five gazillion fans. They play in the league’s largest market. It would be a disaster for the economic health of the sport if they went on a Pirates-level run of futility.
by Grant on Nov 5, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a disaster for the economic health of the sport if they went on a Pirates-level run of futility.
I think that would be balanced out by it being really, really funny.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 5, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay schadenfreude!
Also, I would like everyone to know I spelled that right on the first try without looking it up first. This is the highlight of my week.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That, plus I can never quite figure out what impact the economic health of the sport has on my enjoyment of the game. Seems like I’ve always enjoyed Major League Baseball no matter how the game was doing economically.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 5, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Pirates-level, but the Yankees did have a pretty bad run in the late 80s/early 90s when they were far out of contention every year. The game did fine.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that’s why I find I don’t hate the Yankees as much as a lot of people. They were non-factors for like the first 10 years of my baseball fandom.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually rooted for the Yankees in 96. The Braves had been perenial contenders and the Yankees had largely been non-factors since the beginning of my awareness of baseball. I had no idea about their history or what was about to come.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Salary caps (or penalties for going over them) would be fine as long as there was also a minimum salary cap. ie – if teams go over a salary cap the penalty or a portion of the penalty would be divided up among the other teams (more for smaller market teams) and that money would be required to be put back into the team in the form of salaries for the following year.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Nov 5, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be down with a floor but I would want team’s minor league budget and amount of players they graduate to the Bigs to be heavily counted. The line of thought being even if the team doesn’t keep these players they are improving the overall level (and keeping costs) of the game.
Of course I also think teams should pay for bulk of their own yards so I might be a little farther out there than most people.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike the MLB playoffs, the NBA playoffs aren’t a crapshoot. The better regular season team almost always wins. The number of possessions might be a factor in this. Also, home teams have a significant, decisive advantage in the NBA playoffs in terms of who wins. I don’t know why this is the case, but it is.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Nov 5, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also the cheating, the league wanting games to have certain outcomes, and the corrupt officials. But those too.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The NBA playoffs bug me, why play a whole season if like 47 out of 43 teams go to the playoffs anyways?
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also the playoffs last about five years.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I refer to the regular season as the exhibition season.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 5, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For draft order purposes?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, their draft order is decided on a game show.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. The super lotto or the big spin or something.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More like the giant bin of bouncing balls deciding your drafting position. Which really sucks since the worst teams don’t always get the top pick.
by nataku on Nov 5, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, didn’t they have like a 50% chance for the top pick or something and came out with like the 3rd or something?
Silly system is silly.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4th if I recall. They should have a good chance at it this year too! Hurray second chances!
by chilibean_3 on Nov 5, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The system is meant to discourage tanking by bad teams toward the end of the season. I personally think it’s fine, even accounting for the fodder it provides to conspiracy theorists.
by taliesin on Nov 5, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. It’s pretty much the same way for the NHL too.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol warriors :(
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They won a game!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well, they’re done for the year then.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But the NFL is doing just fine with no team in Los Angeles.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 5, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What!? We have a man on the moon!! Alright!!!
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Nov 5, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dynasties aren't the problem
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Nov 5, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dynasty must be your safe word
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear to God, if I hear more of the actual Yankee players, not just their fans, talk about how it was so long for them since they won a title (Rivera stated he had forgotten what it felt like) I may go on a killing spree.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 2:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I grab my gun………….
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PEW PEW PEW
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cast lvl. 5 eroticism.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read that as “lvl. 5 erection”.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
call your doctor
if your erection is more than level 4
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 5, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Use mine ------------------------------------------------------------>
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I already have.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, if I’m gone for long periods of time, well, you know.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you serve the full 10 years, some of us might catch up to your comment totals.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You assume they’re able to catch me.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on the prison you will have internet access.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll write you letters.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Send him a kite.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol jaret wright
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 5, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL Jason Giambi
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
f(x) = winning
f(x) = salary * X1 +
spending_smartly * X2 +
drafting_well * X3
trading_well * X4
+ luck
My guess is that coefficient (X1 * salary) puts the Yankees at the top of the heap. The only reason they don’t win every season is some combination of the other factors. Blowing loads of money on washed up starting pitchers even hampers the Yankees a little bit. Spending lots of money on the best free agents plus having a solid farm system = good for a many many years. And a little luck always helps out.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Nov 5, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HI
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you did an F-Test on h0: X1=X2=X3=X4, I think you would fail to reject.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is that a thing?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like playing at the F-Zero stage in Smash Brothers.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Captain Falcon.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not very good so I usually play as Mario because I can do a crapload of damage to other people with him even though I can never actually knock them off the screen.
Although I did get kinda good with Falco for a while. It actually makes the game a lot more fun when you don’t completely suck.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don’t like Captain Falcon in that way, if you know what I mean.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big image
But I think you’ll enjoy this: http://burgertime.deviantart.com/art/BROTERSTORY-81142528
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of the Hiimdaisy comics.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 5, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve done a few comics with a similar style of humor in the past, but my sense of humor isn’t really tailored that way, so it didn’t last long.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was great. Toon Link looks appropriately retarded (but he’s amazingly awesome as a character).
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like StarFox 64
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I am still waiting for a true sequel.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a great game. I still don’t have foot mode. Stupid medal needing to be getting at Venom on expert. It’s not possible!!!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I literally have no idea what this means.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think salary is the most important thing to winning baseball games
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your not alone.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good job making everyone feel stupid, jerkface.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, now I fear you.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/continue food tangent
What was your post baseball drink of choice? After the final out was made, what were you drinking or what did you pop the top of?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
watching or playing?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinky.
your preference.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I usually had Mountain Dew when I was done playing baseball. But I can’t drink that crap any more.
I usually have either an orange San Pellegrino or a NewCastle while watching one.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Usually its a soda for me, most likley mt. dew.
On the alcoholic side when I am feeling it, I believe I mentioned this drink here before its my Amp/Dole Pineapple Orange Bananna/Vodka drink. Sometimes with a splash of Mt. Dew. Or a nice Rum and Coke.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d call you an elitist, but you’ve said you don’t like big cities. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO THINK!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
playing: High-C and orange slices, obv
by chilibean_3 on Nov 5, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
win.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
capri sun and kudos bars
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Paul pinot noir, than switched over to season one of Mad Men on DVD, and opened another bottle.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you put your comma in one word too late.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you’ve always had the ability to feel, howie. It’s been within you all along.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey...
I just noticed the banner text has changed. The “McCovey Chronicles” is back so that the tagline isn’t alone anymore. Looks better.
by non sequitur on Nov 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard a rumor that the tagline is going to change to:
Don’t buy any of the crap you see above this line
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, very good. Although the joke will be lost on Firefox users who inevitably have the AdBlock plugin installed.
by non sequitur on Nov 5, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a way to access the internet without FF+Adblock? Why?
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Corporate issued version of IE is only supported on VPN. I suppose I could work all day.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Money can buy you love & happiness, but not World Series trophies.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 5, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What if your love and happiness is contingent on a World Series trophy?
OR DID I JUST BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND?
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum cited for Marijuana possession
http://www.columbian.com/article/20091105/NEWS02/711069987
Tim Lincecum, star pitcher for the San Francisco Giants, is facing charges of misdemeanor possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia use after being stopped for speeding on I-5 last week.
At 8:23 a.m. Oct. 30, Washington State Patrol trooper and spokesman Steve Schatzel said, a motorcycle trooper working with a laser device timed a 2006 Mercedes Benz doing 74 mph northbound in Hazel Dell near Northeast 78th Street — where the speed limit is 60 mph.
by Orwell D. Catt on Nov 5, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fanpost!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That Schatzel guy must have a huge thumb.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 5, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all surprised.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what else is there to do between starts?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Got his stash from Zito
Veteran leadership teaching the kids to play the game the right way!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Performing enhancing drug?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Choco tacos makes sense now.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I was thinking.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FOR ONLY 2 CENTS
/buys 99 more choco tacos
by sfoakbay on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wut
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 5, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fucking A.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 5, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you ever have a 60mph speed limit on I-5?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
truckers on the interstate have been known to ride the rails…
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 5, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They have their own speed limit anyway. But 60 for real cars?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was really just interested in a topical way to reference Primus, who suck.
but, seriously, you can’t mix slow moving trucks (55) with (relatively) fast cars (70) on a two lane highway.
relax. speed kills.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 5, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Primus is xanthan’s favorite band
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Primus sucks.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 5, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you can. That’s why all the trucks stay in the right lane, and all the cars stay in the left lane, and if you want to pass someone you move into the right lane. At least, that’s what my dad did on all those trips, and it worked pretty well.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The evil green skunk monster has our Timmy in his smokey claws
By Spring he could have a full set of Manny dreds.
Hey Sandoval, mix in a salad. Everyone else, mix in a walk.
by Woody'sShed on Nov 5, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now we get to see if the rest of the nation’s media has left the 60’s yet. This will be “amusing”.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One problem with the bounty
at least for the Yanks, is that they end up with a pretty thin bench. Had the Phillies managed to force game 7 the Yankees would have featured Hairston or Hinske in the lineup (and Gardner, for that matter). And if Sabathia struggled on his third short start, I don’t know if Rivera could have pitched 5 innings (although they might have run him out there). This team featured, among others, Cody Ransom (filling in for A Rod) and Brett Tomko this year. They didn’t have much of a fifth starter to speak of. Nady’s injury probably improved the lineup because Swisher had a good year for them. So they were lucky in the sense the Centaur returned from his surgery and only Nady got hurt.
And Rivera, Posada, Damon, Matsui, Jeter are all over 35. Their success in the 90s was because the home grown closer, catcher, SS, and CF (B. Williams) allowed them to fill in holes with free agents and Chuck Knoblauchs and Leyritzes. There’s not much in the cupboard to replace any of these, and (as the Giants have proven over several years) oldsters break down increasingly.
Finally, this is not a new phenomenon, at all. Babe Ruth? Roger Maris? The weak sisters of MLB have always been farm clubs for the Yankees, overtly so in the case of your Kansas City Athletics. I too would like to see a little more communism in baseball (rather than a salary tax that basically only applies to the Yankees and Red Sox), but don’t hold your breath. If it didn’t happen in the 50s it won’t happen now.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 5, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t classify the pre-Ruth trade Red Sox as a “weak sister.”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU’RE a weak sister.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not on the field
but at the bank.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 5, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know they didn’t want to pay his salary demands, but I don’t really have any idea of what their finances were or if they were just being stubborn about salary or whatever, so I’ll concede the point.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If memory serves they had a fire the brun part of the left field bleachers and had not replaced part of those bleachers. Maybe the ownership was be stingy but to me that sounds like lack of capital.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 6, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing lineup and thin bench or mediocre lineup and mediocre bench? I take amazing lineup, especially considering they’re the ones in 90% of your games, and if you’ve got a $200M payroll you can probably afford a few good guys on the bench.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord. Go bitch some more! They won the world series. They beat teams with significant payrolls. The Giants have a significantly high payroll.
Remember that time we outbid the Yankees for Barry Zito? They make smart decisions with their money.
Congratulations to a team who won 7 Championships since the Steinbrenners took over with all the money. 20, let me repeat that TWENTY came before the money. So STOP bitching before you all lose the respect of the rest of the league as fans.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 5, 2009 3:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Giants’ 2009 payroll: $82,616,450
Yankees’ 2009 payroll: $201,449,189
The Angels and the Philles had about 55% the Yankees’ payroll. The Twins were at around $60 million.
They’re not really comparable.
Also, unless I’m forgetting something, we didn’t outbid the Yankees for Zito – we outbid the Mets.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
STOP ALREADY YOU’RE LOSING HIS RESPECT
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and actually
If you combined the payrolls of the Giants and the Red Sox, the combined number barely tops what the Yankees spent.
So, yeah.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
9.8% of the pool, my friend
just sayin
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And what happens if we combine the teams? A rotation of Lincecum, Beckett, Cain, Lester, Youkilis at first, Pablo at third, Martinez behind the dish, Papelbon and Wilson in the ‘pen. That would be an unbeatable team. The fact that the Yankees aren’t World Series contenders from Opening Day is shameful.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who gets to manage?? If Bork is manager, he’ll find a way to screw up the lineups: “Forget Victor Martinez. We have Bengie”
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 5, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Check the books. Yanks were in on that one and were likely to outbid anyone if they wanted him. They stayed away and allowed the Giants to have him at that price.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 5, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t find much info on Google. I did get one article saying Boras met with Brian Cashman at one point, supposedly discussing Zito and others.
Also from that:
The Yanks did talk Richie Sexson with the Mariners, but insisted Carl Pavano be involved. Seattle said no. They’ve also got some interest in Eliezer Alfonzo of the Giants as a trade target.
wheeeeee.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/12/giants-sign-bar.html
They mention the Yankees many times in this article
by gimpsta7 on Nov 5, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees did not make a formal offer.
That doesn’t actually back up your original assertion that we outbid the Yankees.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/12/yanks-giants-co.html
It is the headline of this one
by gimpsta7 on Nov 5, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the same link I was talking about above, yes. With Eliezer Alfonzo.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, your post didnt have a link, so I didnt see that.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 5, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They didnt make a formal offer. That doesnt mean that they werent in on him. The Giants outbid the Yankees. If you remember correctly, at the time people expected Zito to go farther into Free Agency, then the Giants offered him a deal he couldnt pass up. No team was even coming close to that. The Yankees didnt have the time to offer a deal before the Giants gave him that much money.
I was just trying to submit that they did infact play a big part in the Barry Zito sweepstakes. And I was right. The Giants outbid them for his services. Plus, remember that guy Barry Bonds who was the one of the highest paid players in Baseball for a while?
by gimpsta7 on Nov 5, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t outbid someone who decides not to bid.
Barry’s contract was a very good one for the Giants.
Anyway, I’m not sure what the point is.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The point was simply that Giants fans cant complain that the Yankees “buy” their championships. The Giants have a lot of money, more than most teams. The fact that we sit here and talk about getting Jason Bay, CC Sabathia, Matt Holliday, or other FA’s over the last two years is evidence that we too as fans are lucky enough to have a wealthy franchise. If we won a world series, Pirates fans would bitch about us buying it, and no one on this blog would accept that as the reason the Giants won it all.
That is my point. It wasnt the money. If it was all money, why did it take them 9 years? That is my point. And if Giants fans want to complain every time they dont win the world series, then they are just going to deserve it less and less.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 5, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we won a World Series, I wouldn’t really care about what anyone says.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the pirates fans be pissed if we won a world series?
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by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they would’ve been if we did it with Barry. Now I doubt they’d give a shit.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what if they win one with Tim Alderson?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They need to work on breaking .400 first.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
babby steps
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why did it take them 9 years
First, there are thirty teams, so eight seasons of not winning is not exactly remarkable. And they’ve won, what, six championships in fourteen years?
If they didn’t have all that money, they wouldn’t still have Jeter, Posada, and Rivera, let alone all the other free agents. Maybe they’d have been able to keep one, but all three? Even if the had our payroll as opposed to the Royals’, I doubt it.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And by the way
You keep talking about our big payroll – even with the idiotic Zito contract, we were 13th in payroll this year. $118 million less than the Yankees, $45.8 more than the Marlins. Middle of the pack in terms of rank, MUCH closer to the bottom than the top in terms of actual dollars.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I miscounted
Five in fourteen years.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so what happened with the Yankees all those years in the 80’s and 90’s when they weren’t good?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know payroll figures back then, but I don’t think they were so far out of line with the rest of the league then.
I never said money was all there was – obviously, they’ve been well-run, too. Very good at developing home-grown players, etc.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was an honest question because I don’t know all the payroll figures back then either. I do know there was that whole collusion thing. Maybe someone else can fill us in a little better.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in the late 80s or so, wasn’t Kirby Puckett the highest paid player on like a 3yr, $3MM per contract? And didn’t Rickey Henderson demand to beat that and get like 4rs at $3 per?
by DrStankus on Nov 5, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, salaries twenty years ago were WAY different from what I’ve read. There was some contract in the seventies where a guy got something like $2 million for ten years, which was the biggest contract ever, then he sucked and everyone was going crazy over it.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure we can. The Yankees are a product of their free agents. Without Sabathia, A-Rod, Teixiera, Jeter, Rivera, Burnett, Damon, Matsui, etc. (and yes, the “homegrown” players who were then given insane contracts count) they would be nowhere. The core of the Giants is Lincecum, Sandoval, Cain, Wilson, and soon Posey and Bumgarner. All homegrown players still under team control. If we win the WS with homegrown players, we didn’t buy it.
by quincy0191 on Nov 5, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants expect to keep Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval, Posey, Bumgarner, and Wilson. Plus the other players they will need to be a championship team, how high do you think their payroll will be once these players reach FA years? Just a thought.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 6, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why the Giants won’t be able to afford to keep all of them, which in turn is why we have to listen to insufferable Yankee fans like yourself mock us with shit like, “that Lincecum kid’s pretty good; can’t wait to see him in pinstripes in a few years! LOL!”
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 6, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim’s agent: Will he have to cut his hair?
Stiney the Younger: Of course he will—they all do.
Tim’s agent: We’ll get back to you.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 8, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im a huge Giants fan actually. And I dont see Timmy ever in Pinstripes. I think that the Giants will pay them all. I actually think you guys are all stuck in the 1980’s or 90’s spending mode, and forgot that the Giants have the cash to compete, they just chose to stay lower than they have to.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What books?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For what?
I was kind of confused by that part too.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IT’S A SAYING OKAY NOW STOP
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pssst… people these days don’t know what books are!
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a saying meaning “There is evidence”.
Where is the evidence? What is it? Provide it.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I found that random link (citing MLBTR, by the way) I found on Google.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a saying meaning ‘there is evidence, but I am too lazy to present it… yeah, I’m pretty sure there’s some evidence somewhere’.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 5, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking above the jackass.
I don’t see anything.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see a jacksmalloftheback.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They spent more than double the Giants paid to our shitty vets
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
STOP
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the Name of the Father?
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BEFORE YOU BREAK MY HEART
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THINK IT O-O-O-OVER
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 5, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DON'T GO BREAKIN MY HEART
I COULDN’T IF I TRIED!
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 5, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how this place breaks into song right away, let’s see how many times that happens tonight… i’ll subtly start a comment
by PiKAgiant on Nov 5, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SAVE TONIGHT
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FOR TOMORROW I’LL BE GONE!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SINCE YOU’VE BEEN GONE I CANT BREATHE FOR THE FIRST TIME
/kicks self in the ass
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 5, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MY LIFE
WOULD SUCK
WITHOUUUUUUUUUUUUUT YOU
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I FEEL ALMOST AS BAD AS I DID WHEN YOU WERE STILL HERE
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball has parity, NBA does not
The Yankees have an advantage in spending, and thus are able to make up for mistakes they may make payroll wise, yet other than that, Baseball has the greatest sense of parity of all the 4 major sports….
Since 2000:
Yankees 2000, 2009
Boston 2004, 2007
Philly 2008
Angels 2002 :’(
DBacks 2001
Marlins 2003
White Sox 2005
Cardinals 2006
8 different winners this decade. Clearly baseball is monopolized by the top spending teams.
Let’s compare this to the 3 other major sports for fun:
NFL:
2000 Ravens
2001, 2003, 2004 Patriots
2002 Bucs
2005, 2008 Steelers
2006 Colts
2007 Giants
6 different winners so far….
NHL:
2000, 2003 Devils
2001 Avs
2002, 2008 Red Wings
2004 Lightening
2006 Hurricanes
2007 Ducks
2009 Penguins
7 different winners.
NBA:
2000, 2001, 2002, 2009 Lakers
2003, 2005, 2007 Spurs
2004 Pistons
2006 Heat
2008 Celtics
5 different winners.
This myth about MLB being unfair and the Yankees winning every year is fucking hilarious. I’m not even a Yankee fan, but as a fan of baseball I feel compelled to defend them and the sport whenever it get’s so horribly mischaracterized.
While there probably is a better system they could come up with, I think the current one has helped more teams than hurt them. My biggest problem with Yankee haters is they fail to notice or acknowledge that there are many owners/ownership groups in MLB that have the ability to have payrolls pretty equal to the Yankees, they just don’t have the sell your soul devotion to winning that Steinbrenner and his sons have. The recently departed Karl Pohlad for instance had billions of dollars in worth and the Twins have been one of the lowest payroll teams in the league since the mid 1990s, despite having one of the highest just a few years before. Pohlad was known for being pretty cheap towards the last 10 years or so, but they succeeded in spite of that due to very good front office management, drafting and player development. Now they have a new stadium opening this year and me thinks they will have increased funds to spend to keep some of their home grown players. Royals owner, David Glass is another example of poor spending and frugality, despite having the means to spend much more on his team.
Anyway, I think it’s been proven that virtually every team in the ML’s is capable of making the postseason in a given year except maybe 2 teams currently, the Pirates and Nationals. And even those teams could get good enough in a hurry with all of the young talent they have. And unlike the NBA or NFL (where the best teams primarily win each year), teams that get on a run in the postseason or entering the postseason in baseball are the ones that tend to win out, not necessarily the best overall teams. Just getting in gives you a chance in baseball. That’s never been true in the NBA, where any 8th seeded team is almost always out of the playoffs after the first round. As we’ve seen with the Wild Card invention, giving more teams a shot increases the chances of more teams being able to win a WS.
Also with the increased revenue sharing we’ve seen it’s really pared down the widescale effect that Free Agency used to have in being able to improve a lot of teams during the off-season. I realize the Yankees got 3 big names this last year and just won the series, but that doesn’t exactly happen every year, and more often than not that strategy has failed them in the past. I do agree that having a floor for payroll spending would be a good idea. If the Marlins were forced to have a 50 million or 60 million dollar payroll they would probably be a WS contender every year. Right now they spend like 20, and keep winning 85 games.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 5, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
tl;dr
but your point is good.
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by bondslegend on Nov 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a matte how rich the owner is. It’s a matter of having tremendously high revenue streams. The Twins, regardless of ownership will never be able to spend as much as the Yankees because their local TV deals and other sources of revenue are miniscule in comparison. Even a billionaire can’t afford to put up $200M dollar payrolls while losing $50 M a year. Baseball definitely needs a salary cap (with a salary floor). It’s worked very well for the NHL, why shouldn’t it work for baseball? (And yeah, any team in the postseason has a chance at winning, but seriously, who expected the Twins or Angels to actually beat the Yankees?)
by tarlinian on Nov 5, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of the 8 teams you list, how many are in the bottom half of payroll in the year they won?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 5, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the last decade how many times were the Giants in the bottom half of the Payroll?
by gimpsta7 on Nov 5, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly does that have to do with the Yankees?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that unless you spend a lot of money, you aren’t going to do a lot of championship winning.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 5, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins, probably.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And unlike the NBA or NFL (where the best teams primarily win each year), teams that get on a run in the postseason or entering the postseason in baseball are the ones that tend to win out, not necessarily the best overall teams. Just getting in gives you a chance in baseball.
Don’t you see that this undermines your arguments RE: 8 different teams have won the world series this decade? Yeah, the Yankees haven’t won since 2000. But how many times have they been in the playoffs with a chance to win during this decade? Every single time. How many teams can say that?
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah
That was kind of a big deal, huh?
Which kind of lends credence to my point, I think. For what other team is it a big deal that they didn’t make the playoffs?
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 5, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Winning the title is not the whole story
Low payroll teams rarely even make the playoffs in baseball, while in the other sports payroll is pretty similar for all teams. The fact that the baseball playoffs, because of the nature of the game, produce pretty random results, does not change the fact that a high payroll is a really, really big advantage. I didn’t check to verify this, but I’m pretty sure that of the WS champs this decade only the Marlins were in the bottom half of payroll. Undoubtedly that is not the situation in the other sports.
by taliesin on Nov 5, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its also interesting if you look at what % of games is won by a team.
In the NBA, the Celtics and the Lakers together have won half of the NBA finals. In baseball, you’d have to combine the yankees, cardinals, As, and red sox to get the same result.
Sure the Yankees have won a lot, but their frequency of winning is below both the Celtics and the Lakers.
I don’t buy that no parity in baseball line.
When the Phillies won last year, they were 12th in payroll (Rays were 30th)
2007: Red Sox (2nd) Rockies (25th)
2006: Cardinals (11th) Tigers (14th) (Tigers jump up to 9th in 2007, 3rd in 2008, and 5th in 2009 but fail to make the playoffs in every one of those years)
2005: White Sox (13th) Astros (12th)
2004: Red Sox (2nd) Cardinals (9th)
2003: Marlins (25th) Yankees (1st)
2002: Angels (15th) Giants (10th)
2001: Diamondbacks (8th) Yankees (1st)
2000: Yankees (1st) Mets (6th)
Does having a big payroll give you a better chance of winning? Yes. Does this mean there isn’t parity in baseball? No. Being first in spending gave the Yankees the opportunity to get to the playoffs and be competitive, but there is more to winning championships than spending money.
This year, as an example, half of the top 10 teams made it to the playoffs (half didn’t). The Mets spend 150 million dollars and win 70 games. The Tigers lose out to a team with half its payroll size.
I’m not saying the Royals have a chance at the World Series next year, but money doesn’t guarantee a championship.
Maybe someone more familiar with the NBA can tell me why the NBA lacks parity in its championship games.
by Edge on Nov 6, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why the NBA lacks parity in its championship games:
This guy has a li’l something to do with it.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 6, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
simply put
you don’t necessarily need an enormous payroll to win it all. having a $30 million payroll isn’t gonna help, and likewise, having a $200 payroll isn’t gonna hurt.
by sfoakbay on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When does the game start?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 4:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Right now. Taking on the Red Wings.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Nov 5, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean a real game, baseball /james earl jones voice
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball isn’t a game. It’s a pastime!
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Nov 5, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be passing the time….for the next 101 days
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah if you can get the damn directv remote to actually change the freaking channel. TYVM BTW for recording the game on FSN-Detroit, Midwest, or whatever the hell the RedWings channel is THAT WE DON’T GET!
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bad day at school, eh mrs. merope?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had about 4 hours of sleep a night for the past 3 nights and I’m just a LITTLE BIT CRANKY!!! OKAY?!?!?
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m so tired I keep starting a chore only to realize that I need something from the other room to finish up the job… I go to the other room, forget what I went in there for and start some else, only to repeat the process. I’ve got half started projects in every room of the apartment.
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bang your head against the glass; it’ll clear out the cobwebs
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s when I know it’s time for a nap. That’s also why there are a lot of unfinished chores in my apt (and life). I resort to naps too quickly.
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Nov 6, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Timmeh charged with marijuana possession. Didn’t see THAT one coming.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Jason Stoffel, 2009 (Rookie + A-): 24IP, 1-0, 0.75 ERA, 5 S V, 25K. The heir apparent to B-Weez.
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by bigboneded on Nov 5, 2009 4:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
OT
Did anyone see Bill Simmons on Colbert pushing his new book? I thought it humerous that suddenly he is outspoken that he doesn’t care about baseball anymore, now that it’s becoming pretty clear that most of the 2004 Red Sox were taking steroids.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 5, 2009 4:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
shut yo mouth
No Red Sox took steroids- George Mitchell told me.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 5, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He makes it pretty clear in his podcasts that that’s exactly why he’s disappointed with baseball. Manny, in particular, stunned him. That and he feels that the Red Sox have become personality less.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because MLB has all the athletes with unnatural talent.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 5, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched it on Hulu. I thought the joke about the book being so thick (700 pages) that it could stop a bullet — it would stop at page 550 — was clever.
My impression was that the contrast he drew between basketball and baseball was less about interest vs. disinterest (although I agree that that was implied to some extent) than it was about marketing and fan bases. Basketball has more self-consciously marketed itself to youth while baseball revels in tradition and sells advertising time to Cialis peddlers. Obviously, Simmons isn’t in the business of making serious scientific or journalistic claims, but I think there’s something to this.
by non sequitur on Nov 5, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Simmons, he was in town for a book signing at Borders across from the ball park today.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.pinstripealley.com/2009/11/5/1117437/what-will-they-say-now
so apparently, even with a salary cap, players would still get Yankee money and have the same talent. I could of swore that talent depended on how much you make.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 5, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What a retarded argument the make: “If there were a salary cap, would A-Rod suddenly hit 20 homers or CC win 10 games?” Umm, no one was talking about the talent of the players. Way to miss the point entirely, Yankees fans.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what it’s like living in a bubble.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I already miss..
BLACK TACO
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ok, PINK TACO!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THAT'S SEXIST
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 5, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
umm—TACO!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CHOCO TACO
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 5, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with the line that baseball is fine. The Yankees bought themselves a World Series when they purchased the top 3 free agents last winter (which doesn’t include the other countless players they current have who they bought away from other teams).
Baseball needs to implement a cap system similar to the NHL. I use to not support a cap system, but the salaries have become outrageous and MLB players are now mere mercenaries. Baseball is not what it once was.
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Nov 5, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But baseball also has this great minor league system that no other team has and rules about player control and pay as novice players. Something that other sports don’t have. When football loses its salary cap next year (this off season) the sport is really going to suffer
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 5, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. stop your whining, y’all—the talent pool is very deep. It takes some cash, yes, but financial acumen, management smarts, discipline, and excellent player evaluation goes a long way.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, really—Steve Phillips? That’s why so many teams fail.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shut it Steve Phillips, go fuck another ugly gurl
by PiKAgiant on Nov 5, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, that is sexist. YOU PIG!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JERK STORE!
life begins and ends with a Seinfeld episode
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I HAD SEX WITH YOUR WIFE
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Nov 6, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the NFL.
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They need a salary floor not a ceiling.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 5, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck in getting the players union to ever agree with a salary cap. Scott Boras will never allow something that prohibits his clients from getting as much as they possibly can make. And it’s the owners own fault for ponying up the money in the first place. I’m not saying they had to collude, but giving average players 12 or 15 million a year is pretty reckless.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 6, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A salary floor and a guaranteed percentage of revenue might tempt them.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 6, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing off for a couple days…got minor surgery YAY!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 5, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Best of luck to you. We will miss you around.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 5, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what’s up, say?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
glorified nose job
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 5, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I broke my nose once—there was nothing minor about it. Are they putting you under (I hope)?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come back soon and safe
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 5, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was quick
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 6, 2009 6:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The real problem
The real problem is not that the Yankees spend everything they get. It’s that the other teams don’t. The way the system is set up, there’s an economic disincentive to spend money on payroll. Small market teams can spend nothing and the owners still rake in tons of money from revenue sharing even if fans don’t come to games. The Marlins work the system perfectly – they sell off everything, put a garbage team together paying it nothing, pocketing the profits while they redistribute their resources to the farm system trying to get tons of young talent up at the major league level at the same time. Thus they can sell “rebuilding” contend a few years every decade and make tons of money at the same time.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
by tedfordfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree. There are times where teams might deliberately skimp on payroll, but no other team can afford the Yankees payroll. The Giants couldn’t have gone and signed CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, and Mark Teixeira this offseason without going bankrupt. They just don’t have the money.
by Bad Horse on Nov 5, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is the system that incentivizes the Marlin’s model financially. Baseball has set up a system where the Marlin’s owner makes money and the Yankee’s/Red Sox/whatever big payroll team doesn’t. Granted, that the Yankees have 2x the payroll of the next highest payroll is also a problem, but I think it’s not as big as the other. The latter gives the Yankees an advantage. The former cuts the competition in half.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
by tedfordfan on Nov 5, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodness gracious...
The Yankees suck… thhhuuuuuuhhhhh, Yankees suck!!!
Not only have they bought another championship, but they’re announcers are the absolute worst in all of baseball. A truly disappointing way to end an otherwise great season.
by crazedcrustacean on Nov 5, 2009 6:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
101 Days
guess I’ll just have to be satisfied watching San Diego St. kick TCU’s asses all over the place
GO AZTEC’S
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
guess I’ll just have to be satisfied watching San Diego St. kick TCU’s asses all over the place
Look me in the eye
Then, tell me that I’m satisfied
Hey, are you satisfied?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 5, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not like everybody else
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I’m listening to the Great Lost Kinks Album right now.
Weird.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 5, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love each other so
Closer than you know
Androgynous
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 6, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got that backwards, dammit.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 6, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the first two lines.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 6, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Backwards seems somehow appropriate though.
by taliesin on Nov 6, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did not watch one pitch of the WS this year. I BET THEY NOTICED!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You know, I’m not sure I did either, I listened to Jon on the radio…but I don’t think I actually watched a game.
by Merope on Nov 5, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me neither actually. I heard Chase Utley and Hideki Matsui did well though, and Arod is a Centaur.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t trust any Giants fan who is not a baseball fan
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 5, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I quit watching after game 3. I knew the Yankees would win.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Joe Buck keeps calling the games and I have the opportunity to work OT I’m not going to worry too much about what I’m missing.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
best new band name from last weeks SF Bay Guardian
Joe Buck Yourself
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 6, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 7, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t trust any Giants fan who distrusts other Giants fans!
/jumps out window
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I clicked past a few times
Pretty much just watched three Feliz at bats. Including the DINGER!
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Nov 6, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TIMMY CAUGHT SMOKING REEFER!
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 5, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WHY DIDNT YOU POST A LINK
MAYBE IT ISNT TRUE
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 5, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
from RealGM
Mercury News – Tim Lincecum faces misdemeanor marijuana possession charges after Washington State police found a small amount of the drug during a traffic stop on Oct. 30.
Lincecum was stopped just outside Vancouver, Wash, which is just across the Columbia River from the Oregon border.
Lincecum produced a pipe from his dashboard console and 3.3 grams of material
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 5, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
eh big whoop
like no baseball player has smoked weed. I would be suprised if you found one player besides Poo-holes that has not
Please refer to username
by SabeanPlusBochyEqualsEpicFailure on Nov 5, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im looking for the story on csn but theyre showing a soccer game
by KENN on Nov 5, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the game is over. theyre gonna show a sportsflash on csn
by KENN on Nov 5, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
by KENN on Nov 5, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CARNEY LANSFORD SIGNS AS 3RD BASEMAN WITH GIANTS
Hey Sandoval, mix in a salad. Everyone else, mix in a walk.
by Woody'sShed on Nov 6, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow I didn’t mean to open such a wide chasm.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 5, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It kinda sucks
I moved home from San Diego to the bay area, anxious to listen to KNBR and news about my hometown teams. Instead I get uninformed opinions and a bunch of garbage. I dont feel like “Mr T” connects with the average fan or even the informed fan. They dont EVER have what I consider to be informed opinions of players, minor leaguers, statistics, coaches, the rest of the league. I am SOOOO disappointed.
Damon Bruce… wow. Never heard the guy before, but wow. The guy waffles on things on a nightly basis. Screams for BS changes constantly. Has a book in which he looks like a MAJOR tool on the cover. UGGGHH
Fitzgerald?? Really? He has a show now? I grew up on Papa as the voice of the Warriors and stopped listening when Fitz took over. Now he has his own show… awesome. Although I dont mind brooks.
Barbieri asks the most ridiculous questions in every interview, I cant take it, and i am pretty sure most of the people he interviews cant take it either.
I LOVE listening to kruk and kuip and miller and flemming (sp?) but I actually miss the old days. I listened to KNBR daily. I grew up on Pete Franklin (anyone remember him?) Hank Greenwald and even Lon Simmons. Now I feel like I know more about sports than all the people paid to talk about them.
Maybe the internet and instant knowledge has ruined the magic of radio and broadcasters.
by projectmayhem713 on Nov 6, 2009 1:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hated Pete Franklin, that phony bastard. Talked about how he hated the Yankees when he worked in Cleveland, (even invented the idea of waving “hate the yankees hankies”) and then came to WFAN in New York and became a Yankees’ fan.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 6, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently, the KNBR execs have decided that opinionated bloviating gets more callers than X & Os and stats, and talking about minor leaguers that most Giants fans haven’t heard of don’t get ratings.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 6, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fitzgerald had a show before he was the Warriors broadcaster too, but yeah, talk radio is almost always terrible.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it’s pretty sad what’s happened to baseball on KNBR…the best baseball commentating happens with the A’s crew (Lurie, et al), but I find that the junior circuit can’t hold my interest very long.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 6, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is me, leaving my house for the Yankees' parade!!
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 6, 2009 6:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Brian Wilson called; he wants his haircut back.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Baer called; he wants his crazy eyes back.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
by beat_la_25 on Nov 6, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just received an e-mail that changed my mind on everything.
Responding to your article " Hate the Yankees not baseball". I ‘m a Met fan. They’re is nobody that hate’s the Yankees more than our Met fans.. They won the Pennant fair and square. So shut up and get a REAL team moron and stop complaining like a B——!!
I retract all of my claims that the Yankees won the pennant fair and square because this guy so forcefully argued that he Yankees won the pennant fair and square.
by Grant on Nov 6, 2009 9:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder which Met it is that he’s a fan of.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 6, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He seems like an opera connoisseur
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 6, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no
probably a foundation member of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Or both, you know those culture whores.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like being told “get a real team” by a fan of the freaking METS.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 6, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT..BUT INJURIES!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 6, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, he’s got you there.
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Nov 6, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MATT CAIN IS TEH DEVIL
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 6, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY AND THEY ARE CLEAN CUT AND DO NOT SMOKE THE DOPE LIKE A B——-!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Nov 6, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop being a B, Grant.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What a song!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 6, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Community?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 6, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my understanding.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 6, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Potential Grant reply
“/hat tip”
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 6, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m always leary of people who use the double period.
And what makes himerher think that we don’t have “REAL team morons” around here?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I WAS the real team moron!!
Anagram of "suck it Russell Martin" = TRUER SKILL: SCUM STAIN
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 6, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Timothy or Dennis?
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The one who didn’t steal Bill Hicks’ act.
I actually have a Timothy Leary autographed sheet of (undipped) blotter, it’s my favorite collectable.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 8, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The writer of this email then broke his wrist while pressing the “send” button on his email client. He will be out 4-6 Weeks.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 6, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some interesting moves...
Hermida to the Red Sox, Hardy to the Twins. Hermida still has tremendous upside at age 26.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 6, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hermida Promoted from AAA Marlins!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 6, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've hated the Yankees since I was a kid and it's never had anything to do with money
From my post to OT: Bay Area Ties! – “I saw my first MLB game when I was 9-or-10 on a visit to see family in OH. The Indians got crushed by the Yankees and memories of that Yankee swagger have never left me. The Yanks were my first true "hate" in sports… today I hate them second only to the Dodgers.”
It’s always been about ‘that Yankee swagger’ for me. I watched at least part of all but Game 6 (because if the Phils couldn’t win it at home, they weren’t going to win it at all) and that fuckin ‘swagger’ it hasn’t changed one bit in more than 40 years.
At this moment, I hate the Yankees more than the Dodgers!
by karl m on Nov 6, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Game 4 was horrible. Yankee batters taking time during at bats to argue calls. Posada visiting the mount 7 times an inning
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 6, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what is the deal with the arguing
maybe they get a makeup call once in a while, but in general it seemed to me the more Posada whinged the smaller/bigger the strike zones got.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just hope the Yankees don’t take a shine to a couple players named Lincecum and Sandoval not too far in the future.. Might be tough to maintain the laissez faire love if that happens.
by maysian on Nov 6, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
From Rick Reilly on ESPN.com:
Oh — and the next Yankees fan who looks to the heavens and sighs happily, “It’s been nine long years!” gets tied to the front of the 4 train and run into a wall. Nine years? Nine years is a cigarette break to most teams in MLB. Chicago Cubs fans are at 101 years and counting. Cleveland Indians’ fans: 62. New York/San Francisco Giants: 55. Pittsburgh Pirates: 30. Gee, nine whole years? The Boston Red Sox waited 86 years for theirs. The Chicago White Sox — 88! There are people in swine flu lines longer than nine years.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 7, 2009 12:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What would the Yankees line up have looked like this year with a Salary Cap of $90million?
They’d have spent their entire cap on four players
Rodriguez: $33,000,000
Jeter: $22,000,000
Texeira: $21,000,000
Damon: $13,000,000
Pretty hard to win with only four players. That’s all the arguement you need for the institution of a salary cap. If these are the amounts these guys command on the open market, and there was a $90,000,000 cap in baseball, then tough shit Yankees, you’re out.
Sabathia would’ve gone to the Reds maybe
Rivera would be closing for the Pirates
Matsui would be playing dh in Kansas City
Burnett would be starting for A’s
Posada would be catching for the Padres
Texeira would be batting clean-up for the D-backs
Damon would be shagging fly balls in Washington
Hell, even A-Rod would be gone, he’d be playing 3rd base for the Giants
The Yankees would be able to keep Jeter, and then a cast of others.
Jeter
Swisher
Bengie Molina
Fred Lewis
Aaron Rowand
Jody Gerut
Livan Hernandez
Ryan Garko
Bob Funklenutz out of the pen
See what I mean?
Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s not cheating.
Baseball is the most screwed up sport of all the major sports.
Steroids didn’t ruin baseball.
Scott Boras and George Steinbrenner did.
Ruined it.
The 2009 year of baseball will go down as the darkest year the sport has ever seen.
Steroids? No way, not even close to what the Yankees are doing right now to a wonderful sport. If I knew that the Yankees were just buying up world series rings I’d be shooting myself up with steroids morning noon and night without a regret in the world. In fact, I’d advertise it. Hell yeah I would.
Yankees fans….step in front of a train
by clubber workout on Nov 10, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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