Rowand for Bradley: The idea that just won't die
by Grant on Nov 4, 2009 11:50 AM PST
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I've worked with some real freaks. I've trained a woman who, when the mouse reached the bottom of the mousepad, could not continue working until someone helped her figure out what to do. I worked with a person who ate peanuts constantly, chewed with her mouth open, and did it while asking you a question from six inches away. Just yesterday, my boss microwaved a hodgepodge of Halloween candy until it melted, froze it in a cup, and left the weird, gross, frozen mess in my desk drawer. Then he called me from the next office and said, "I can't wait any longer. Open your desk drawer!" Why did he do that? Because it amused him, that's why.
But I'd wager that if you tallied up my output -- the number of envelopes stuffed, pizzas cooked, reports filed, or whatever -- it would be the same with or without these people. They just made me hate certain aspects of my life a little bit more.
When Ryan Theriot was stepping into the batter's box to face Adam Wainwright with two outs and a runner at second, I'm pretty sure this wasn't going through his head:
Okay. Come on, Ryan. Think. He's going to set you up with a fastball just off the plate. Don't bite. Sit on a fastball in, and only a fastball in, just in case he misses badly with his location. He's not expecting you to try to pull the ball for power; he's thinking I'll be content slapping the ball into right field. Right field. Where that jerk Milton Bradley plays. Oh, man, that guy is a real jerk. He's always dipping his fingers into the salsa. I swear, if he counts cards when we're playing blackjack one more time, I'm going to kil...DAMMIT, I GROUNDED OUT TO SECOND. Arrgh. That one's on Milton.
If Bradley was really a drag in the clubhouse, he probably just made everyone enjoy their job a little less. Maybe a lot less. That might have a small effect on production. You know what else might make a ballplayer enjoy his job a little less? Falling out of a playoff race because his team is unspeakably awful at hitting a baseball. Let's call it a wash.
(Aaron) Rowand is the life of a clubhouse and would restore the chemistry lost by the forced departures of Mark DeRosa and Kerry Wood. His hustle and nose for the baseball in center field are unquestioned, allowing Fukudome to move back to right field. A reprise of his Giants offensive numbers would be acceptable with all the other hitters in the Cubs lineup.
That's from a Cub perspective on a possible Rowand-for-Bradley swap. My response:
| Year | OBP |
|---|---|
| 2000 | .288 |
| 2001 | .288 |
| 2001 | .288 |
| 2001 | .300 |
| 2002 | .317 |
| 2003 | .421 |
| 2004 | .362 |
| 2005 | .350 |
| 2006 | .370 |
| 2007 | .402 |
| 2007 | .373 |
| 2007 | .414 |
| 2008 | .436 |
| 2009 | .378 |
| 10 Seasons | .371 |
| 162 Game Avg. | .371 |
Add in the $16M less that Bradley would cost compared to Rowand, the shorter contract, and I don't see how people can seriously think a Rowand-for-Bradley swap is anything but a positive for the Giants. I mean, it was awful when the Giants were so distracted by Barry Bonds that they were contending every year. I still wake up with cold sweats over that era.
In case you missed it, here's Extra Baggs last month:
But for what it’s worth, I asked someone on the Giants’ side — someone with veto power — whether he’d approve a straight-up Bradley-for-Rowand deal. And he said yeah, he would.
Of course he would. I'm filing the Rowand-for-Bradley scenario under wishful thinking and moving on.
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I would love to see Rowand traded so I could drop a couple of these on his new team:
HEY GUYS, GIANTS FAN HERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO LOVE ROWAND!
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
HE PLAYS THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE RUNZ INTO THINGS
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE’LL TAKE THE CUBBIES BOWLING, TAKE THEM BOWLING!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Had a dream last night, but I forgot what it was.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Nov 4, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE’S A REAL GAMER!
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 4, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I FOUND THE SWAGGART
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 4, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The cheese factor on those shirts is off the scale.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 4, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that professional corporation and marketing team made these shirts is just sad
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they also thought that “Let’s Play With Great Balls of Fire” was a good idea.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t you get it? You see, they wear camouflage because being paid millions of dollars to play baseball for six months of the year is just like being a soldier in war!
by Into the Void on Nov 4, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Warrior Spirit”? Great, give Sephen Jackson a glove.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he’s probably the least likely to be representative of that.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Camo print makes everything better!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honey, I'm taking Jr for a stroll through the war zone...
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your boss.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 4, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Grant should have worn a llama costume to work the Friday before Halloween.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another sideways proposition
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I once trained a replacement of mine to use Microsoft Excel, and we had to repeatedly go over the concept of “go to this cell.”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 4, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a perfectly qualified replacement.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Nov 4, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For that job, probably.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 4, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Back around 2000, I worked at a place that was moving from a DOS-based computer system older than I am to a Windows 2000-based system. I had to sit through like two hours of training on such advanced concepts as what is a mouse, what is a cursor, and how to double-click.
On the plus side, I didn’t have to do any work that morning!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
People still used DOS in 2000?
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really, no. The system there was so outdated it was beyond comical and on into pathetic.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I worked briefly in a research lab that was using a DOS machine as an integral part of the setup I was using. No one wanted to invest in new computers and software and spend the time needed to write the associated new scripts. That’s a large part of the reason I decided not to keep working there. This was last year.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
FREDEMPTION 2009
by neurofarm on Nov 4, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
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Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Nov 5, 2009 1:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lolwut?!
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 5, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrote a manual
I was a part of an implementation team at a large SF corporation in 1998 – and I had to write a manual on how to use a mouse. The users refused to use the system if there wasn’t a manual for it.
by GiantChris on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the training points we had in our fire and earthquake training about a month ago was “don’t hang on the fire sprinkers.”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We once attended an inservice training where the condescending twit conducting the meeting decided it was worth spending 20 minutes [of a 2 hour presentation] teaching a room full of teachers [all with at least Bachelor’s degrees] what a glossary was, where one would be located in a book, and how to use it.
by Merope on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my sister teacher has a masters, but she’s mostly a nit-wit
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
when I was an undergrad
I took a very basic statistics class (for non mathy people) and the instructor (I guess he was a grad student or something) thought it necessary to teach us how to tally.
“Now when you have four marks already, and you need to add another, you make a diagonal line across the first four!”
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s about where my sister steps off
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Had I been in that class, I probably would have asked “But what do you do next? Draw a diagonal line going the other way?”
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 4, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure it was real candy and not “Llama candy”?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ITS EASY. All we gotta do is
trade Rowand for Bradley
Sign Holliday
Bring back Bonds to play Catcher (WONT HAVE TO RUN AROUND A LOT)
Posey at SS (DFA Renteria)
and of course trade Cain for Fielder.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
and then trade Fielder back for Braun and Cain!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and to think I voted for you for best newcomer
for shame!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 4, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Install Holliday's new bionic legs.
VVVRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
by beat_la_25 on Nov 4, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had completely opposite work experiences from that. Almost entirely, the reason I loved or hated a job was because of the people, not the work. But I think baseball players are supposed to be unemotional and socially inept … all except Tomko.
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
by tk on Nov 4, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree with both points.
I think my work environment has a big factor on my productivity and still would no matter how many millions I ’m getting paid.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goofus, just how many millions are you being paid now?
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 5, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’d be cool to see an Earl Weaver-style outfield of:
Bowker/Bradley-LF
Velez/Torres-CF
Cameron-RF
Guys moving around, platooning, keeping themselves healthy (Bradley).
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wait wait wait…. where’s fred lewis?? :(
by PiKAgiant on Nov 4, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the A’s.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 4, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, while on the subject of dem A’s, heard that kid Wallace might play a little next year
by PiKAgiant on Nov 4, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude can mash, alledgedly.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can certainly mash. Very impressive. Not fast, but a great eye.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 5, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile, a scout offered this about Brett Wallace: "He can hit but he throws like a girl. They acquired a DH — I think he might be Jack Cust Jr. with fewer Ks.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 5, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'd all like to see Rowand for Bradley happen
But I think a lot of us are too optimistic.
The real question for McC is: Would you give Rowand and something else for Bradley? That seems far more likely.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would gladly give them Renteria as well.
by jewbacca on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa whoa whoa
Let’s not start giving people diseases.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
by capnk on Nov 4, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, clearly all “something else”s are not created equally. I’d throw in Merkin Valdez, for example.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Racist.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, I get the irony. ID GIVE MY FIRST BORN SON FOR A TITLE!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You beat me to it.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JUST ONE FREAKIN CHAMPIONSHIP
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’D DONATE A NUT
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d donate a walnut, because I don’t even like them anyway.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A DONUT?
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 4, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adopted father fail!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
depends if you're factoring in contracts
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 4, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See, with me i still have that thought that Fred still has a chance to become better, Bradley is a head case
by PiKAgiant on Nov 4, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants were identified as the team that put a waiver claim on...
Aaron Heilman last August. Haveta think interest remains. Sooo, he’d be the swingman in the pen, presumably. Thus the deal would expand even more…. they need IF depth that can field and brings a decent bat. Rohlinger/Downs?
by sanfranfreakshow on Nov 4, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS!!
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 7, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But how does this add to the payroll?
isn’t that what the Giants are all about? and then turning around towards the fans with their hands out for higher ticket prices?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 12:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're kidding, right?
Two big differences between a pro baseball player, and the every-day-man job. One, being on the road together 100 days out of the year. Two, working with all men, all testosterone, all ego, all the time. Talk to a firefighter about likeability among co-workers. I’m betting 9 of 10 would take Aaron Rowand, and the odd man out would be the rookie of the department.
Bradley has had freakishly epic discipline issues with every team for which he’s played. I think pro athletes are paid to adapt to many extreme personalities for the sake of getting the job done on the field, but some personalities are just bad news. I’m not ranking on Bradley directly, because I really don’t know what the deal is with the guy. But, when someone goes from throwing objects at a fan, to storming the radio booth, to getting suspended by the manager for the last weeks of the season, it’s reasonable to predict the guy is more trouble than he’s worth.
Not to mention, Rowand is still a pretty darn good ball player.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
2004 and 2007.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, the two years he didn’t get hurt. As opposed to the FIVE that he did.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said I thought he was a good player. I’m pretty sure those years were flukes.
Has Rowand actually been hurt that much, though? With his refusal to sit, it’s hard to tell.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the entire problem. He talks the whole “team before self” talk, but then refuses to go on the DL when he’s hurt. Turns out that that’s a very selfish thing to do – when Bork is your manager – because then you are hurt, ineffective and not healing and all the while you’re preventing a healthy player from playing.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The GM puts players on the DL whether they want it or not.
It’s really not up to the players at all. They have the right to refuse a medical procedure, but not a diagnosis.
by hokysmksbw on Nov 5, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So he’s due to be good in 2010.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 4, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand is average, which in the realm of available baseball talent is good. But I’m not sure I’d call him ‘darn good’. He’s good, average, but he’s more expensive than Bradley without being better. If Bradley can stay on the field for 400-ish PA’s, I would take him over Rowand every time.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Rowand’s defense is about to become epically bad, so I would sell “high.”
by Grant on Nov 4, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have this fear, too. But he did bounce back some last season defensively. I’m more worried about his plate approach. He looked brutal at the dish near the end of the year.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just at the end?
I’ve NEVER liked his approach. He’s a hacker, and he looks weird doing it, to boot!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
POOPIN
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 4, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, check out his K rate. It went way up in 2008, and got even higher this year. He seems to be on the verge of breaking down. His only chance is improving his plate discipline, and I’m not very optimistic about that.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BAM BAM!!!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
put him in
and Roberto Kelly… instant upgrades
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 4, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BAM BAM!!!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was unintentional
And strangely sig-less
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BAM BAM???
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand is a better ball player. Don’t make the mistake of over romanticizing Bradley’s offensive production in the American League. Look at how he has performed in the National League throughout his career. Along with his inability to stay healthy, I would consider Bradley “average” at best, as it pertains to the Giants.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+ in full seasons in the NL only
Bradley:
2004: 108
2005: 118
2007: 167
20009: 101
Rowand:
2006: 86
2007: 123
2008: 94
2009: 92
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Overall NL OPS+
Rowand: 101
Bradley: 102
And that includes Bradley being very bad for the Expos his first couple years. And Bradley was better last year, 101 to 92.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that includes Bradley being very bad for the Expos his first couple years.
Whereas Rowand arrived in the NL for what should’ve been his peak.
Rowand is probably the better defender, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m wondering how Bradley would do defensively in RF at Mays Field
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He might be acceptable. In 2,000+ career innings in RF his UZR/150 is +6.3 runs.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and if you add in the upgrade at the plate
bradley>rowand
by sfoakbay on Nov 5, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Small sample sizes for Bradley
There is more to OPS, like being able to play every day.
Rowand can help a team in a number of ways. I’m not discounting his epic struggles at the plate. But even with that he was a better slugger than Bradley in ’09. And, pretty much the only way Bradley is going to help a club is by slugging. And he posted a .397 slg% this year.
About the way Bradley was better than Rowand in ‘09 was by laying off more pitches and drawing walks. With all the other prevailing factors, it’s not worth it simply to shed salary.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OBP is a huge problem for the Giants and he can clearly help with that.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but sacrificing all other elements of the game because the guy can take a walk is going to hurt the team. Not help it.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And, pretty much the only way Bradley is going to help a club is by slugging. And he posted a .397 slg% this year.
This is wrong. He helps the team by getting on base.
<blockquote
Yeah, but sacrificing all other elements of the game because the guy can take a walk is going to hurt the team. Not help it.
The difference between a .319 OBP and a .378 OPB is way way more important than the difference between a .419 and a .397 SLG
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blockquote fail
And, pretty much the only way Bradley is going to help a club is by slugging. And he posted a .397 slg% this year.
This is wrong. He helps the team by getting on base.
Yeah, but sacrificing all other elements of the game because the guy can take a walk is going to hurt the team. Not help it.
The difference between a .319 OBP and a .378 OPB is way way more important than the difference between a .419 and a .397 SLG
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he could run and jump and do shit, he would help the team by getting on base. All walks to Bradley are going to do for the Giants though is going to increase their LOBs.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
getting on base is a waste of time.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 4, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good, a clogging up the bases mention. That means I can just facepalm and leave.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say he was going to clog up the bases, but Bradley simply doesn’t make things happen with his baserunning to make OBP as valuable. If he could walk 80 times and produce more than 30-something extra base hits a year, then he’s producing more runs. But if all he is is taking more walks, and not doing anything to statistically put himself into scoring position, then what’s it going to matter. You need to surround someone like Bradley with batters of a likeminded approach. Bradley, in and of himself, isn’t going to improve the Giants one bit.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Advanced Baseball Thinking
Not making outs is better than making outs.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mind
blown
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, sbn acting weird
I don’t know why it keeps semi-double posting! sorry.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you need to quit your browser and reopen it.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I knew how to quit you…
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i am that irresistable, true
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright then … lets go get the .397 slugger whose legs are giving out, has a history of violent behavior, and who last year saw second base less than I did my sophomore year in high school. I’ll see you in the Milton Bradley for Wily Tavares trade thread this time next year.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the thing: even if we cut Bradley and eat his contract, we still come out ahead on the money.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Is Crazy Talk
You do not just throw away either player. They both are actually average players or better (2+ wins above replacement level). They would have to be near replacement level or lower for this to make sense.
by giantsrainman on Nov 4, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point is that if we got Bradley for Rowand and everyone hated him and refused to play with him then we can at least cut him and save some cash. God knows Rowand wasn’t helping us.
by quincy0191 on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"God Knows Rowand Wasn't Helping Us" Is The Crazy Talk
He is not living up to his contract but he is well above replacement level and therefore it is indeed crazy to claim he is not helping us.
by giantsrainman on Nov 4, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. He is still helping this team. He was the second-best hitter, among year-long regulars, on the team. However, his contract is crap, he’s injury-prone, and – not only is he unlikely to replicate 2007 or 2004 – he is very likely to get worse quickly. You can say many of the same things about Bradely, but at least Bradley’s contract is a year shorter and $15million cheaper.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s been under two WAR each of the last two seasons as a full-time player. That’s not exactly a rare commodity.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rare Or Not, Too Valuable To Just Throw Away.
by giantsrainman on Nov 5, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not throwing away
it’s a $20M dog for a $30M cat. The kind of deal that can transform a team!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 5, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my point.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if we can’t improve the entire lineup, we shouldn’t improve any of it?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 4, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We shouldn’t make any offensive improvements to the lineup unless it’s one guy who will magically turn it from a bad lineup to a good one!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHERE ARE YOU, 2001 BARRY BONDS?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That guy could have fit at 2B if we hadn’t clogged it up with Sanchez.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 4, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT’S TO IMPROVE?
88 WIN TEAM!
GM GIVEN EXTENSION FOR HIS SUCCESS!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Explain to me again how Milton Bradley is going to improve the lineup? Are we using the DH next year? Because that is the only way Bradley is going to be a legit middle-of-the-order hitter.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The words you have put together here make no logical sense. I can sort of see the point you might (MIGHT) have been trying to make, but with the words you used, you made no such point.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 4, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley no good as every day right fielder. Gets broken. Ergo, can’t hit.
Bradley ’09 ~ doubles + triples + homeruns = 30
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe those words made sense.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 5, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Face, meet Palm.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
even a slight upgrade is better than no upgrade at all
by sfoakbay on Nov 5, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Admit it- you're Shawon Dunston!!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But even with that he was a better slugger than Bradley in ’09.
Rowand 2009 wOBA: .323
Bradley 2009 wOBA: .345
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand can only play every day because he insists on playing hurt, and when he does that, he sucks.
Bradley has had injury problems, but the seasons I listed combined for nearly 400 plate appearances. That’s not a small sample size.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
400 plate appearances per over four years is pretty small when you’re talking overall percentages from a corner outfielder. The can’t play a full year.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
But only because I fucked that up. That’s the number of games he played, not the number of plate appearances.
He had almost 500 plate appearances last year alone.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1554 plate appearances
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that’s actually out of 3 1/2 seasons, not 4, because I accidentally included the season he split between the A’s and the Padres (Padres stats only).
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And notice how his production curtailed. The more he plays, the worse he performs. I’ll take the guy that can run down flyballs from CF.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seasons with 450+ PAs
2003: .321 / .421 / .501 / 147 OPS+
2004: .267 / .362 / .424 / 108 OPS+
2008: .321 / .436 / .563 / 163 OPS+
2009: .257 / .378 / .397 / 101 OPS
Two seasons below his career average OPS+, two well above it. Why, it’s almost like there’s no correlation.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if the Giants are going to need a DH next year, then that ‘08 performance may mean something to them. Otherwise, Bradley can’t play RF for an entire season without having it wreck his offensive ability.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, we can offset Bradley’s bad attitude by adding Mike Cameron who is supposedly an awesome guy in the clubhouse and a terrific centerfielder.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Offset? You can’t quantify an asshole.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re the one who thinks Bradley’s assholishness is going to have an impact, but you don’t think adding good personality types will matter?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fill me in?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean just because I don’t like Bradley on the grounds of his dysfunctional behavior does not mean I have to like Mike Cameron because he is a sweetheart. Not that I ever said I didn’t like Mike Cameron. I don’t. Not for the Giants. But I never said that.
I don’t think ‘personality types’ are the main order of the day, but Bradley is an extreme case. He has played for seven teams in 10 years. You could surround him with a team of Boy Scouts, and he is still going to poison the well. Even if he found Christ and embraced the goodness in any and all of God’s creatures, that doesn’t change the fact that he hit like crap last year, and he’s probably only going to get worse if he stays in the NL and has to play the outfield every day.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep up the good fight, StickRat. I don’t think you’ll convince them, but it’s fun to read.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, his “hitting like crap” was still better than what Rowand did.
And as for breaking down over the season due to playing in the field, check the second halfs the two had:
Bradley: .273 / .377 / .415
Rowand: .218 / .271 / .358
Although Bradley had fewer plate appearances, he had the same number of home runs and extra base hits. Rowand struck out at a higher rate (over 25%) and walked less than 4% of the time.
Of course, Bradley was pretty bad last year away from Wrigley, so you could make that argument if you wanted, but you haven’t.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps it’s the bad apple principle.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants did just fine with Kent & Bonds. Any assholeyness apparently had no effect on the result on the field.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 4, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is like the
POSEY GIVES UP 10 PASSED BALLS PER GAME argument
by sfoakbay on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really
Year Age Tm Lg G HR BB BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
2004 26 LAD NL 141 19 71 .267 .362 .424 .786 108
2005 27 LAD NL 75 13 25 .290 .350 .484 .835 118
2007 29 SDP NL 42 11 23 .313 .414 .590 1.004 167
2009 31 CHC NL 124 12 66 .257 .378 .397 .775 101
10 Seasons 941 115 455 .277 .371 .450 .821 116
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how do you make it all nice and neat like that?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
baseball reference has a link.
Go to the table you want click, share
then edit it to show what you want
then select share preformatted for SBnation
copy and past
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Test:
Year Age Tm Lg BA OBP SLG
2007 28 PIT NL .247 .327 .418
2008 29 TOT MLB .286 .373 .522
2008 29 PIT NL .282 .375 .519
2008 29 BOS AL .293 .370 .527
2009 30 BOS AL .267 .384 .537
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/4/2009.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
badass
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Test: E
Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
2007 26 CLE AL 138 541 484 62 140 29 1 21 61 0 1 34 94 .289 .359 .483 .842 117 234 12 20 0 3 1 *3/D
2008 27 CLE AL 141 563 495 61 135 21 1 14 90 0 0 45 86 .273 .346 .404 .750 97 200 10 15 0 8 1 *3D
2009 28 TOT MLB 118 400 354 39 95 13 1 13 51 0 0 29 50 .268 .344 .421 .765 99 149 8 13 2 2 1 3/D79
2009 28 CLE AL 78 273 239 29 68 10 0 11 39 0 0 20 40 .285 .362 .464 .826 113 111 6 10 2 2 1 3/D79
2009 28 SFG NL 40 127 115 10 27 3 1 2 12 0 0 9 10 .235 .307 .330 .638 68 38 2 3 0 0 0 3
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/4/2009.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mountain Goats – Song for Dennis Brown Intro/Verse riff e-||------3------------------- B-||------3------------------- G-||------0------------------- D-||------0---------0--------- A-||------2-----0h2---3-2-0-0- E-||---3------3---------------
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First appearance of tabs on McC?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to post the solo to November Rain once but it didn’t come out so well. Now with the pre/pre stuff though…
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to post a Kevin malone sound bite.
Didn’t work.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 4, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand would be gooder in a ballpark that was smaller.
Like Wrigley.
by hokysmksbw on Nov 5, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Bradley Would Be Worser In A Ballpark That Was Bigger.
Like AT&T.
by giantsrainman on Nov 5, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And aside from all the STATS
I lost any belief whtsoever in the importance of clubhouse chemistry in 2002, when Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent got into a fight in the dugout in front of television cameras and they nearly won the World Series.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I’m sure a lot of players have wanted to confront fans and/or media types.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does the importance of team chemistry really factor into the number of wins and losses though? just wondering
by PiKAgiant on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes. there are lots of intangibles in baseball—sorry, statz heads (and Buster Olney)
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
grit, savvy
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran savvy
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think the giants have some of that…..
by PiKAgiant on Nov 4, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran gritty savvy gamerness
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 4, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What now?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
beats me, haven't seen that in a very long time
by PiKAgiant on Nov 4, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THAT’S WHAT MOLINA SAID ABOUT HIS TOES
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I could have written something else, but I went for the less obscene one.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you referring to Bochy?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what are you saying? that everything can be quantified?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just look at Al Weis, ’69 Mets…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Leading by example when the team is graduating young players the caliber of Pablo Sandoval, Buster Posey, Eugenio Velez, Nate Schierholtz, etc., etc. Major League Baseball isn’t Strat-o-matic, or the D3 Fantasy League. If even Lou Pinella can’t deal with Milton Bradley, what kind of effect is he going to have on an organization that has spent the last two years rebuilding its foundation through the youth movement?
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bold dot rules
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you tried to italicize it?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that’s why Matt Williams never became a productive Major Leaguer – he came up with the bad examples of Alleged Racist Will Clark and Alleged Cat Decapitator Kevin Mitchell.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams, Clark, and Mitchell were all within two and a half years of one another age-wise. Completely different than having a wack-a-loon veteran.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay then
Did Barry Bonds ruin Bill Mueller, Russ Ortiz, Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, etc.?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He ruined Tony Torcato and Todd Linden’s careers. Also I heard he teased Cody Ransom about that error in 2004.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s Bonds who who should be in player development. He called those three losers correctly.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Torcato and Linden’s careers were ruined by lack of talent (compunded, in Torcato’s case, by injuries).
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what the Bonds loving media wants you to think but really it was Bonds’s crappy attitude.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 5, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear lord … Barry Bonds was a marquee player whose existence single-handedly enabled the Giants to finance a new stadium. Milton Bradley is a headcase subpar right fielder who hit 12 homeruns this year.
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This might be the only point on which I agree with you...
For all the horrible things written about Bonds, I’ve never gotten the impression that his teammates despised him—at least not his Giants’ teammates—or that he actually was a bad influence in the clubhouse. On the contrary, I’ve read on several occasions teammates singing Bonds’ praises for things they’ve learned by talking to him, or ways that he’s helped them. I’ve always gotten the impression that it was mostly just the press who hated Bonds, and that they tried to portray him as a bad teammate, and a clubhouse cancer.
The worst that usually was said about Bonds was that he kept to himself, or that he would at times walk right by teammates as if they didn’t exist. Bradley, on the other hand, does come across quite differently, as quite volatile, a problem and a distraction and a bad teammate. Much different from Bonds. That’s my impression, anyway.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 4, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds did get in fights with two different teammates. I just don’t think personality matters much in the big leagues.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MInor scuffles at best.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he socked Christensen pretty good but I don’t disagree with the overall point anyway.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting Jason Christiansen was just his attempt to improve the bullpen.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Nov 5, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of whom was Jeff Kent. Now, Jeff Kent may be a reasonable, nice person, but he certainly seems like a guy who would get in a fight with a kitten for being too cute.
by quincy0191 on Nov 4, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also Barry did that in defense of another player.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the fight with Kent started with Kent berating David Bell over a mistake.
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by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that
But Bonds was the best player in baseball! People will put up with a lot more from the best than they will from average Joe.
by Shoeless on Nov 4, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to use the same hyperlink twice in the same thread, but:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005.shtml
That team had several Milton Bradleys on it.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
Everett? People ignored him. Thomas? He was hurt most of the year. AJ? Sox fans and the media loved him.
Who else?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys all wore out their welcome with their previous team, and then went on to win the World Series. That’s why trying to build team chemistry from a FO is a flawed exercise.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And this proves what, exactly?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's true, obviously.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Never get tired of seeing this posted
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 4, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That Michael Barett is a hero!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It proves that watching AJ Pierzynski getting punched is an enjoyable sight at any time of the year.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I could say “professional wrestler in the off season” and need to give no further explanation, but let me dip a little into his day job: professional ballplayer and all around pain in the ass. He has been punched in the face on the field, runs inside the baseline on purpose, knees team personnel in the nuts, runs to first base when he is out and then gets called safe for it. Now THAT is a bad mutha move we wish every major league player should try at least once.
http://huggingharoldreynolds.blogspot.com/2009/05/holiday-special-bad-ass-mothers.html
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that Rowand leads by example and isn’t just another jackass in the clubhouse?
You really don’t.
HOORAY NEBULOUS CONCEPTS!
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do think this is a concern when developing young players. But do you really want youngsters emulating Aaron Rowand? He goes to the plate without any plan at all, throws to the wrong base constantly, is more concerned with staying in the lineup than with helping the team. He’s just about the worst role model I can imagine.
by Evan on Nov 4, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and he parties too much
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuzzy PSA is fuzzy.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
from all the drugs
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It only looks that way to you because you’re high.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am only about 100 ft. above sea level.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PIXELS
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that blurry guy sharing his blurry dope with the blurry kid?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its like a unicorn. See also Aurilia’s RBI Single.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…a two-horned unicorn!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a bull. Stop trying to milk it.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Munson’d
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 4, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh, dude. That’s no bull.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 4, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They must have switched him and Nate’s descriptions
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 4, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Read that as
“Sandoval should be black Tuesday”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, whatever crazy treatment helps him take a few more walks.
by DrStankus on Nov 4, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite Giants Nickname (Non-Velez related)
Errant Throwin’
by chilibean_3 on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadison Bummedgarner
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Camper VanLandingham
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lou Pinella: hardly known to get along with players.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If even Billy Martin can’t handle Milton Bradley’s drinking problem…
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT THAT’S WHY WE LOST THE SERIES
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
aside from those two, that team had good chemistry
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the theater?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
funny, but this is baseball, not tennis; there is more than just one player.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if just one played doesn’t hurt chemistry, adding Bradley should be fine.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, maybe not. Why bother?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he’s a better hitter than Aaron Rowand and he’s cheaper.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The mere subtraction of Rowand is plus for the Giants. The fact that we’d actually get some talent back in the deal is a bonus in my book.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 4, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not bother? Why not take a chance on talent?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he’s got one less year on his contract and he’s shown the ability in the past to be a hell of a lot better than Rowand
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
perfect setup—we can resign him for twice as long, less per year, but 150% more overall. Giants finance.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we should never make any create moves to get better cause the braincrust will fuck it up in the end.
by DrStankus on Nov 4, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from those two, that team didn’t have a lot of offensive talent. Their hitting ability was why they were in the World Series, not the (unmeasurable on the field) “bromance effect”.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m betting 9 of 10 would take Aaron Rowand, and the odd man out would be the rookie of the department.
So given the choice of:
a) a jerk firefighter who helps put out fires more than almost anyone else on the crew
b) a nice, gritty firefighter who doesn’t really help much compared to the rest of the crew
You think b) is going to help put out fires quicker because he helps morale? And that’s what counts when the fire is the immediate task at hand? We’ll have to agree to disagree.
by Grant on Nov 4, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No prob. I’m hip. I’m with it. Tuk-a-tuk-a-tuk-a-tuk …
by StickRat on Nov 4, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOB
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
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by marcello on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your reply fail is more than made up for by your grit
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there such a thing as a non-gritty firefighter?
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/crashes into a firetruck while running with a hose.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 4, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
/runs around a burning house diving for every timber that falls from the ceiling.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 4, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but most firefighters wouldn’t even get to that hose.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Firefighters….hoses….mmm….
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps this is why I thought you were a confirmed homosexual?
by DrStankus on Nov 4, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn’t be the first!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JCB9 IS GAY?!
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His wife is in for a surprise!
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My standard reply:
I don’t even like men as a friend.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I missing a joke here?
I’ve seen you say that exact thing twice
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by bondslegend on Nov 5, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joke?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 5, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The firefighters might prefer B.
But the person whose house is on fire would prefer A.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the roof collapses on you,
B would stop and try to help you out from under it. A would just keep spraying water on his side of the fire.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but B would get crushed and never even come close to rescuing you.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that A is better at his job, so no.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a) a jerk firefighter who helps put out fires more than almost anyone else on the crew
Putting out fires and coming to your co-worker’s aid aren’t necessarily the same thing.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, keeping other firefighters alive is totally part of the job.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grant specifically said “put out fires”, not “better at his job”.
Adam Dunn is a good hitter. That doesn’t mean he’s also a good defender just because it’s totally part of his job.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But how is he at putting out fires?
I have totally lost what we are arguing.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about the one that’s just dressed like a fireman for his stripper job?
by chilibean_3 on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This made me LOL. Are you nominted for “most amusing”?
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you deliberately misinterpreting this metaphor?
The entire point is that one is a jerk who’s very good at his job and one is a nice guy who isn’t. “Putting out fires” means “good at baseball” and “jerk” means “bad at clubhouse chemistry.”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Goofus
He’ll never understand. Feed him a pellet and move on.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can look at the metaphor another way.
You could say one guy is “really good” at putting up offensive numbers, but is a jerk when it comes to other stuff (i.e. hitting behind a runner, taking a pitch on a steal, throwing to the right base, sharing knowledge of a pitcher’s tendencies with teammates, etc) while the other guy might not hit as well, but does other things that contribute.
I’m not saying Rowand and Bradley are those guys, but I think the other things do matter and hitting alone should not be looked at in a vaccum.
People bring up Bonds as the textbook case of a jerk who helped his team win, but Milton Bradely is no Barry Bonds.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Scott doesn’t do any of those things (except maybe sharing knowledge) you put in parentheses. And Bradley is at least an average defender in right field, maybe even slightly above average.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn’t a jerk, he just went to Serra… the two are easily confused.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Serra is filled with jerks. Jerks.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They have an excellent jerkiness program there.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are all Catholic HS full of jerks?
There were a fair number of a-holes at De Le Salle that I knew. Ditto people up here in Sacramento who went to Jesuit.
by DrStankus on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew a few that went to Sacred Heart HS in SF.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 4, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
St Francis had a couple when I went there. Not as many as Serra or Bellarmine, though.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I only lasted a year at Saint Francis… both sides were relieved to have it last only that long.
I think you’ve got something regarding Serra/Bellarmine…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 5, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sausage-fests, both of them.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 5, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DFAAurilia went to Serra
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 5, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/nods sagely
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 5, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grant
If we, the public, knew that that was the exact situation, we would probably insist that the fire department hire the jerk. But, since we don’t usually have that information, that will likely not happen.
On the other hand, the fire crew would MUCH prefer the nice, gritty firefighter. And given equal civil service test scores (or whatever they’re using these days), the guy they can get along with is the guy who is most likely to be hired.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
by Lyle on Nov 5, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you've worked with a talking elephant and Michael Scott?
Nice.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 4, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Grant, did you consider getting the woman a trackball mouse?
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by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure this must be a lewd joke, but I can’t quite work it out.
by Evan on Nov 4, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lars will figger it out
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read this as “finger it out” and laughed.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw Casino Royale
And this reminded me of Bond’s beyond-ridiculous “what I can do with my little finger” remark
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hello from a Cubs fan.
If you guys really want to make this deal, I’d drive Bradley to the airport myself.
Be prepared for a season of bizarre statements to the press, at least one suspension (either by the team or by MLB), and probably 60 or so games where he won’t be available due to various health reasons.
As we say at Bleed Cubbie Blue, GETITDONEJIM!!!!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HE RAN INTO A FENCE ONCE, HENCE, GAMER!!!!!!!
by PiKAgiant on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As we say on MCC, “LOL SCOTT ROWAND.”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“It’s a win-winn situation!”
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lisa Stevens should have posted this
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a win-winn situation!
by Lisa Stevens on Nov 4, 2009 1:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Does that make you Shane Snow?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that both sides are totally itching to get rid of their player
might be a warning sign to both.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 4, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
even if both guys turn out to be terrible for each team we still save $15M
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
on the bandwagon
I was anyway, because Bradley is a better player than Rowand, but for Cubs fans to want Rowand – they must really hate Bradley
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The guy is a nut job, and he did not speak too highly of the Cubs fans this season.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually know a guy who played with Bradley in low A ball. I saw him at a reunion dinner shortly after that season and asked him about his summer. He said “you wouldn’t believe this guy on our team. First of all his name is Milton Bradley. Second of all he refers to himself in the 3rd person all the time. We’re in low A ball for christ sakes.”
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Nut job".
That’s pretty close.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I think you all are letting the emotions get the best of you. Good opportunity for us to take advantage, but if Rowand and Bradley both tend to get hurt, and Bradley plays a bit better when he’s not hurt, and he’s cheaper, then I just can’t put too much stock in “bad personality”.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 4, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nut Job
Isn’t that what Beltre was treated for?
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Be prepared for a season of bizarre statements to the press
We’re already used to those.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not even sure why “bizarre statements to the press” would even matter?
So what?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 4, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In this media market...
… it matters.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL self important
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope this deal gets done soon, then.
You’ll find out.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We used to have Jeff Kent and Barry Bonds on the same team. I think we’re already familiar with the effects or lack thereof of having cranks on team.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget Mr. “I did my job”
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005.shtml
A team with malcontents like that could never win the World Series. Especially not in such a sensitive media market!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Malcontents?
Who was a malcontent on the 2005 White Sox?
Plus… believe it or not, the White Sox are almost in a different media market than the Cubs are. I know that doesn’t make logical sense, but they are.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pierzynski and Everett were two of the biggest malcontents of the past decade.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand why you, as a Giants fan, would think that about Pierzynski.
But White Sox fans and Chicago media love him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That means even less than clubhouse chemistry.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but...
… he’s also performed well for them. If he doesn’t pull the little stunt with Doug Eddings in the ALCS, they probably don’t even get to the WS.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Milton Bradley has performed better than Aaron Rowand two years in a row.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We'd like the Aaron Rowand from 2007, please.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So would we
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So would we!
But nobody is getting him.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So would we.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I label him that, will it make it easier?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad 2007 was a fluke.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
/swings at slider in dirt
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just beautiful
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOLCHARTS
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nurd
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why does he
take all the sliders in the strike zone, and swing at all the ones out of the zone??? Or am I misinterpreting the data? Must be because we’re not seeing the called balls. How many sliders outside the zone did he lay off?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 4, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the one graph is just swinging strikes and called strikes on sliders. So, it’s not representative of every slider Rowand faced in 2009, just the ones he either swung at and missed or watched for a called strike.
I could do a plot by total results.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GET ON IT, BAY CITY BRAZZZZ
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you have a real life?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, after I get settled, I’ll fix that.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the new basement is nice!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Curse your personal success!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why does a computer need a house?!!?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Server farm
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
house server farm
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brain twin!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered what happened to jcb8.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame your wife’s bad attitude
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
buying a house
LOL NOT LIVING IN THE BAY AREA!
Wait…
by Grant on Nov 4, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We would too
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 4, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s that?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 4, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Everett and A.J. Pierzynski have both been widely regarded as clubhouse cancers at various points in their career.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Everett doesn’t believe in chemistry. Or any science for that matter.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dinosaurs?
NO FOSSIL RECORD!!!
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL You should investigate the Bay Area Media. You will be horrifically surprised.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps so.
It just doesn’t seem like Milton Bradley likes being anywhere. There’s a reason he’s been on 7 teams in 10 years.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By your logic Reggie Sanders was hitler.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
… Reggie Sanders played in six postseasons. Care to rephrase that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What does that have to do with anything? Xanthan was referring to the fact that he bounced around.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds played in seven!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Non sequitur yessss
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Natto get on this.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Lofton was Mussolini.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I meant to say Stalin.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lofton had a weird career
CLE (10 yrs)
PIT (1 yr)
SFG (1 yr)
PHI (1 yr)
ATL (1 yr)
TEX (1 yr)
LAD (1 yr)
CHC (1 yr)
NYY (1 yr)
HOU (1 yr)
CHW (1 yr)
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He definitely got squeezed out in the last FA market that killed a few vets. In his last season in 2007 he was a 3-win player.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lofton might be one of the more underrated players of the 90-00s
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Really long career, amazing baserunner, almost an All-Star every season.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BeyondTheBoxScore, when they aren’t deeming the Giants to be the worst team in baseball, thinks that he should be in the HOF.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Raines, Craig Biggio.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggio was really good. I’m not sure I’d call him underrated. But that’s just me. I can see Raines being called underrated. Since he should be in the HoF, imo.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
Raines and Lofton basically have the same career wins above replacement.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Raines and Lofton are both, somehow, going to be kept out of the Hall because they weren’t as good as Rickey Henderson.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t fucking believe that Jim Rice is in the Hall of Fame and Tim Raines and Bert Blyleven aren’t. WTF, voters. WTF.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, it’s ridiculous.
I think Bert might finally make it in in one of the next couple years (I think he has 2? 3? years left on the ballot).
I’m also concerned that Larkin might not make it in first ballot
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers were afeared of ol' Jimmy Rice
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers were afeared of ol' Jimmy Rice
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you can say that again.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Pete Rose, but that’s another matter.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m totally fine with Rose not being in
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t believe in keeping players out for moral reasons.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when those moral reasons seem to change on a person to person basis.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What other players who have been proven to have bet on or thrown games are in the Hall?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant different moral reasons, ie players who were racist, anti-semite, spitballers, cheaters, etc.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But they don’t really keep people out for those reasons (we’ll see about steroids, no one’s really sure what’s going to happen there yet). They keep people out for throwing/betting on games.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/Points finger at McGwire
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not off the ballot yet.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is
He got 21.9% of the vote this year.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the cutoff was like 5%
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s my understanding too.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he is
He got 21.9% of the vote in 2009.
I REALLY hope this one doesn’t double post too.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the cutoff was like 5%
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s my understanding too.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 4, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh DUH
I read that as “not even on the ballot yet.” My mistake.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From wiki:
Any player named on 75% or more of all ballots cast is elected. A player who is named on fewer than 5% of ballots is dropped from future elections.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We already have HOF voters that have come out and publicly stated they will not vote anyone into the Hall that is linked to Steroid use.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s their personal decision. That is part of the criteria on the ballot and if they think it means a player shouldn’t be voted in, it’s their choice. I don’t agree with it. But it’s not the same thing as a player who is permanently ineligible, like Rose and Jackson are.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what he (and I) have an issue with is keeping people out for betting on games, and claiming that’s worse than taking steroids or cheating in other fashions.
I think it’s one thing if you throw a game, but it’s never been proven that he bet against his team, IIRC.
So really, it’s a moral issue, and I don’t see the difference between that and steroids and what not.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t matter if he bet against his team or not – he was in charge of a baseball team and he bet on the outcome of games played by that baseball team. That’s just not on.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Donaghy basically went to jail for doing just about the same thing. It’s not kosher.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 4, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He voluntarily accepted a place on the permanently ineligible list. The end
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Howe was banned for life
…and came back like two years later.
The debate ultimately comes down to what you see as the Hall’s purpose, I think. If you see the Hall as primarily a way of honoring people, you probably don’t want him in. If you see it as primarily a historical institution, as I do, you probably do want him in.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see why the HoF refuses to tell the entire story of baseball. Why not applaud Rose’s acomplishments and denounce his shortcomings?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m in favor of a “warts and all” HOF. That includes Barry Bonds, Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, and Ty Cobb.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t they have some memorabilia of his career though? Like bats and balls from his historic hits. I’m pretty sure they do.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But not including the player that performed the feats? That’s stupid. It leaves a huge void. You cannot pretend that they never exisited.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gah, EXISTED.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But they aren’t pretending they never existed. They aren’t eligible for the Hall of Fame, therefore they themselves cannot be inducted into it.
You can say what you want about racism and spitballs and steroids, but betting on games and throwing games is the one thing that just flat-out does compromise the integrity of the game, in my opinion.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What sucks about Rose is, IIRC, the HOF put in the rule not allowing players with a lifetime ban by MLB into their museum specifically for the Rose situation. MLB had nothing to do with their decision, they could have put him in the Hall if they wanted to.
Again, IIRC, which is not quite often.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 4, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shoeless Joe?
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that’s not true, considering the Black Sox.
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wikipedia agrees with you so you must be right
The primary cause for lifetime banishment, according to the Commissioner’s office, is that the banned person violated or otherwise tarnished the integrity of the game. On February 4, 1991, the Baseball Hall of Fame voted to bar players on the ineligible list from induction.
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by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I was looking for something like that.
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by ResDog on Nov 4, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they mention his name near the memorabilia. They just don’t have a plaque honoring him in the actual Hall. They’re not pretending he didn’t exist. They’re stating that he doesn’t deserve to be honored.
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re stating that he doesn’t deserve to be honored.
Yet they carry his memorabilia. It a little hypocritical in my opinion.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The memorabilia is celebrating his accomplishment.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So would inducting him into the hall.
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by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, I can see the argument that it’s hypocritical, but I don’t really agree. I think there’s a difference between having a bat to commemorate Pete Rose’s 4000th hit and having a plaque for Pete Rose himself.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, its ok to have the bat that struck the 4000th hit. But not the player that amassed the 4000th hit and its preceding 3999?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if said player was found to have bet on baseball and
you know
AGREED to be put on the permanently ineligible list.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he did not agree that it would ban him from the Hall.
He was banned from the game of baseball.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even without the rule, I don’t think it’s difficult to go from “banned from baseball” to “banned from the Hall” as well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh. I think jcb said it best:
The debate ultimately comes down to what you see as the Hall’s purpose, I think. If you see the Hall as primarily a way of honoring people, you probably don’t want him in. If you see it as primarily a historical institution, as I do, you probably do want him in.
We will have to agree to disagree I suppose.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, the Hall is pretty much different from person to person, isn’t it? It wouldn’t be interesting if everyone just agreed on everything relating to it!
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but there are some real douche bags who do not deserve to vote.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I mean there are a few things that just aren’t debatable.
(Thinking of the idiot who didn’t vote for Rickey last year.)
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, just for the whole “NO ONE SHOULD BE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED IN” crap.
Bullshit.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will forever claim that if you’re a HOFer, you’re a first-ballot HOFer.
It pisses me off – if you think he belongs, vote for him. End of story.
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by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed completely. Though I do think it’s possible for people to be convinced or to decide later on that someone is or isn’t deserving.
But if you’re not voting for someone just because you think they’re not a first balloter, then DIAF
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not really a baseball museum if it doesn’t include the all time hits & home run leader.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it is.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No it isn't
They have Roger Maris memorabilia, but he’s not in the Hall. Recognizing the man and recognizing the feat are completely different things.
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But they have not stated Roger Maris may never enter the Hall
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger Maris didn’t break the rule that came with it the consequence of being “permanently ineligible”.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was on the list of banned from baseball. The Hall of Fame did not vote to refuse people from that list until 1991 as listed above.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He = Rose.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really think that makes a difference. No one voted for Shoeless Joe, did they? I don’t think Rose would have been much different, at least initially.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s possible, but we do not really know for sure.
I do see that point though.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m in favor of a “warts and all” HOF. That includes Barry Bonds, Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, and Ty Cobb.
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by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is the new UI doubleposting? Seems a bunch of them are showing up.
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by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s the new UI, I just think it’s SBN being screwy right now. I keep posting, and then stuff doesn’t show up, so I have to reload the thread and try again, and then it shows up twice.
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by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m having issues here too.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t they have some memorabilia of his career though? Like bats and balls from his historic hits. I’m pretty sure they do.
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by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m in favor of a "warts and all" HOF. That includes Barry Bonds, Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, and Ty Cobb.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU GUYS SUCK
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by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t they have some memorabilia of his career though? Like bats and balls from his historic hits. I’m pretty sure they do.
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m in favor of a "warts and all" HOF. That includes Barry Bonds, Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, and Ty Cobb.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU GUYS SUCK
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m in favor of a “warts and all” HOF. That includes Barry Bonds, Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, and Ty Cobb.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m in favor of a "warts and all" HOF. That includes Barry Bonds, Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, and Ty Cobb.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Which is the dumbest logic ever.
“THESE GUYS AREN’T ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS EVER TO PLAY THE GAME! LEAVE THEM OUT!”
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggio is rated, but not enough. I’d consider him one of the best lead-off hitters EVAH.
OTOH, Bill James called him the best active player other that Barry at one point. That’s overrating him.
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by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But! He’s got 3,000 hits and seems to be universally a HoF lock based on that.
by xanthan on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he’s going first ballot, no question.
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hall of almost-fame
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Caminiti, Biggio & Bagwell’s careers took off at the same time for the Astros. hmmm…
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by ResDog on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Ray Guy isn’t enshrined really annoys me….
by Merope on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a conspiracy.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Morgan was Pol Pot.
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t have the numbers.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Rafael Belliard was Mother Theresa.
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by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But his mom said he’s a good boy and just wants to play baseball!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, for example: “If you want to see walks go watch the mailman”
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what you fail to understand
is that we would trade Rowand for a bag of rocks. Not even shiny ones. If we traded Rowand for Bradley and CUT MB we’d break about even on the deal.
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by zenbitz on Nov 4, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Is Crazy Talk
You do not just throw away either player. They both are actually average players or better (2+ wins above replacement level). They would have to be near replacement level or lower for this to make sense.
by giantsrainman on Nov 4, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a decent player. He’s not worth anything close to $12 million. So if you get rid of Rowand and get rid of the contract, you’ve come out ahead, because you can use a fraction of that money to sign Rowand II if you really love Rowand and still have money left over.
by quincy0191 on Nov 4, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And no one is talking about eating the contract and releasing him, they’re talking about getting rid of him AND the contract, which is most definitely a good thing.
by quincy0191 on Nov 4, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Zenbitz Is Talking About Eating A Large Contract And Just Releasing That Player.
He stated:
If we traded Rowand for Bradley and CUT MB we’d break about even on the deal.
This is indeed crazy talk.
by giantsrainman on Nov 4, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s arguing that the money savings would be worth it alone, not that we should actually trade for and then release Bradley.
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by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That Is Crazy Talk
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by bondslegend on Nov 5, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, yeah, it's crazy
but the crazy part is cutting Bradley, who – whatever his faults are – is probably not worth cutting outright.
Let’s replace that with … “and Bradley immediately goes on the 60 day DL”
Rowand has 3 years, $36M on his contract, right? And Bradley 2/22?
Rowand is likely to be worth maybe 5 WAR over the next 3 years. If he ages well. That’s worth, what, $13.5M? So his contract is essentially a $22.5M loss leader over the next 3 years.
So, if Rowand only eeks out 5 WAR 2010-2012, then trading him for Bradley EVEN IF BRADLEY NEVER PLAYS (net cost -$22M), is only a very slight negative (it’s better to spread out the pain of a $22M loss over 3 years than 2).
Am I still crazy? Note that trading for Bradley and cutting him is $14M better than flat out cutting Rowand. Trading Rowand for NO ONE (just getting someone to eat the contract) is $22M profit in my estimation! (spread over 3 years… which makes it seem bigger than it is)
Using WAR like this is very, very crude… and no substitute for actual, you know, scouting and analysis. But it does mean that my suggestion is not purely crazy talk. Plus $4.5M/WAR might actually be “high” for the current market.
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by zenbitz on Nov 5, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Rowand has been less that 2 WAR three of the last four seasons, including both years with the Giants.
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by jcb9 on Nov 5, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I support this trade if it’s the difference in being able to sign Holliday.
Otherwise, I think we’d be paying less money, but getting less innings and more headaches.
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by Goofus on Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
a 3-4-5 of Panda-Holliday-Bradley sounds pretty flipping great to me.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
My astute analysis: I don’t like him.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 4, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I fully confess to an emotionally-biased opinion on this. Logically it makes sense. But I still would rather have Rowand.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I’d actually rather not have Bradley or Rowand. But between the two, I’d prefer the guy who played for the Giants to be the one who is better at baseball. And that’s Bradley.
by taliesin on Nov 4, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not cute enough.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s Andy.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 4, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want this to get done. If nothing else, it’ll save us a ton of money in whatever year would have been the last one of Rowand’s contract.
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by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
to be fair to the people arguing against Bradley
he clearly has an attitude problem. He has evidently worn out his welcome pretty much everywhere that he has played. We can assume that with his talent and the production he’s had, that some team would have wanted to lock him up longer-term if they felt his value outweighed his attitude and anger management problems. Maybe he really is just too much to handle. But I don’t think there’s any way to quantify the value of production vs to negative of attitude problems.
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by wjackalope on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cubs fans are more rabid to him because he specifically called them out this season as racist and other things.
Bay Area Fans have been called worse. Maybe we are just used to it.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, why would he ever think Cubs fans were racist!?
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by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we hate those too.
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by Al on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Enh
Fukudome came to the States after I left the North Side, but I saw lots of shirts that were just as bad as that EVERY TIME I ever went to Wrigley.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice, linking to an image I first presented to the McCoven.
I think he was talking about racist to him. To hell with Fukudome.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not the first black Cubs player to come out and say he was the victim of racism taunts/letters from Cubs fans.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying he was wrong. But saying that his comments in the press are why the Cubs fans seem particularly upset with him. Most of his other teams’ fanbase saw him as amusing. As I probably would if the Giants did that trade.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the bottom-left one say? (I’m a wee bit colorblind)
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by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it just says “Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs are gonna win today”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I’m not colorblind and I can only read about half of that.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of guessed at it, tbh. I can’t actually tell.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that’s what it says.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that can't be right
it’s not offensive or off-color. Except for being off-colors.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really hard to read even for us non-colorblind folk.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly, whomever produced these t-shirts has a devious heart. Harry Carey was a lifelong Bud shill. He would never have endorsed Old Style.
by toofruss on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And don’t they like Z?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny that they have one for Zambrano in Cardinal red.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol Julian Tavarez
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooh....
Shift-A is a little different now…
by Merope on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs