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I hope they get him.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 3, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL Mets
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 3, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
more like
GO Mets!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 4, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Papa mention this in the ad for Sportsnet Central tonight. I don’t know what the source was for it, and I didn’t watch SNC. Did anyone catch that?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Nov 3, 2009 7:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Mets, so I don’t want anyone from the Giants to ever play for them. I hope he goes elsewhere.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 3, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Mets, so I don’t want anyone from the Giants to ever play for them.I hope he goes elsewhere.
fixed
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Nov 3, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the mets too.
I hope they “enjoy” their new cleanup hitter.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 3, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate them too. That’s exactly why I want them to sign Bengie. 4 years, 20 mil please.
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by boonitez on Nov 3, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me say
LET’S GO METS!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 3, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong
the Met’s have a protected first round pick so if they sign him before the arb period is up then we get a sandwich pick?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 3, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
how did that apostrophe get in there?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 3, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The apostrophe marks the omission of “ropolitan” from Metropolitans.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 3, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You were thinking of the A’s.
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by bgunn on Nov 4, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we get a sandwich pick and their 2nd rounder (unless they sign a higher rated FA)
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by jponry on Nov 3, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there’s a lot up in the air. I haven’t seen the rankings posted yet, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that Molina is a Type A catcher.
The Mets do have a protected first round pick (#7 overall). So, if the Mets sign Molina and compensation is required, the Giants would at least get a sandwich round pick between the first and second rounds, and one of the Mets picks which would be at best a second rounder. It could possibly be a third or fourth round pick depending on if the Mets also pick up higher-ranked players.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 3, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
According to these projections Molina’s looking like a Type A catcher.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 4, 2009 6:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm… well on the one hand I was hoping the Mets would have no disincentive to sign before the arb period is up but on the other hand two compensation picks are better than one.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sandwich picks are delicious.
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by satyricrash on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He must be a very talented artist.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 3, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he must be funny or something.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 4, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You lost me.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 4, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The sourcing seems kind of thin on this one.
by Dan from NM on Nov 3, 2009 8:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Mets probably wouldn’t go more than 2 years, with Thole pretty much ready. And they have a lot of needs.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it doesn’t even include a quote from kuyote
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yesssss yessssss
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 3, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
woot
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But do the New York Mets draw interest from Bengie?
Hmmmm? Mull that oddly-constructed sentence over for a while…
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 3, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lots of great restaurants in the Big Apple. Bengie and Jose can stuff their guts anytime of the day or night.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Nov 3, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's about the worst Mets blog there is, by the way.
I loathe Bengie Molina as a baseball player and want no parts of him. He’s barely above replacement level if you factor in his awful defense and baserunning. Unfortunately for me, the Mets are braindead and have a need at catcher. Can you say 2 years, $10M?
By the way, Keith Law said in a recent chat that he wouldn’t rank Molina in his Top 50 Free Agents.
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by All Shook Down on Nov 3, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he’s “clutch” and was the centerpiece of the worst offense in baseball. Trust me, you guys want him.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the droid you're looking for
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 4, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if you don’t factor in his terrible defense and baserunning, his hitting (.285 OBP FTW) puts him near or below replacement level.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Nov 5, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bengie Is About League Average On Defense
His % caught stealing is about league average, his % of PB/WP allowed is about league average. You have zero evidence other then Body Bias and Sabean Hating that his defense is terrible.
Bengie Molina is pretty damm close to a league average catcher overall and for you to claim otherwise is just silly.
by giantsrainman on Nov 5, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I trust Keith Law more than Brian Sabean
And he says Molina’s terrible, so yeah, I’d take Josh Bard over him at this point.
www.twitter.com/willDavidian
by All Shook Down on Nov 5, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here Is Some Actual Data That Shows Bengie's Catcher Defense In The League Average Range
I am defining league average range as +3.5 runs to -3.5 runs with above average range being > +4 runs and below average range being < -4 runs.
Keith Law’s opinion shows me he is just as much body and OBP biases as you are. I prefew to trust evidence as opposed to biases.
by giantsrainman on Nov 5, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Body Bias Is Back!
If Bengie Molina is -3.4 runs on defense (102nd out of 114 catchers), and a subpar hitter (and a terrible baserunner), why would a Mets fan want him?
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by groug on Nov 5, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You Really Think These Measurements Are That Percise?
I conclude from this that their are a handful of outstanding defensive catchers, a handful of terrible defensive catchers, and for the vast majority (including Bengie Molina) we really don’t have enough to tell their abilities apart.
by giantsrainman on Nov 5, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Mets fan, what part of Bengie Molina should he like? Maybe it’s flawed evidence, but the best evidence we have says that Bengie’s not really good at anything.
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by groug on Nov 5, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He Has Had A SLG Of .440 Over The Last Three Years
He has been extremly dependable over these three years starting in 377 of 476 games. He has lead a young pitching staff from average to elite level over these same three years.
I can guarantee you that Bengie will be thought of by the Mets (and any other team looking for a starting catcher) as not just the best available but as someone they would be very happy with as the leader of their pitching staff and an RBI bat in the bottom third of their batting order.
by giantsrainman on Nov 5, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I could lead time Lincecum and Friends from average to elite.
Bengie didn’t exactly ease Zito into the NL, btw. Not that I think he had any signficant impact on pitcher performance either way.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Very Much Doubt That You Could.
Find me a single quote from any MLB GM, manager, or coach that indicates he shares your view that who catches has no impact on how the pitcher performs. I don’t think you can. I don’t think support for this position exists within those actually making the decisions. This of course doesn’t make them right (and thus you wrong). The opposite couold still be true (though I personally tend to doubt it). But it does mean this is how they think and thus the bias that goes into every decision they make on who is going to catch.
by giantsrainman on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's called hyperbole
definition: obvious and intention exaggeration for effect.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Hyperbole Is Not My Issue
It is the underling view that catchers have very little effect on how pitchers perform that I was making my point about. Again, my point is not so much that this view is wrong (though I do think it is wrong) but rather that those actually making decisions in MLB believe the exact opposite and thus make all their decisions on who should catch based on this view.
by giantsrainman on Nov 6, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for clarification, is the consensus that we should offer Molina arbitration and risk the possibility of Bork stubbornly playing him for the year over Posey for the draft picks?
I wish Sabean was savvy enough to say publicly that Bengie would be back-up and some additional hurtful things to ensure he’d refuse arbitration.
by grape on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would support it…
I don’t want Molina back, but unless the market is dry, Molina has been clear he wants multiple years, so him accepting arbitration is unlikely.
Also, him accepting arbitration would also mean just one year, where a possible alternative might be another mediocre vet (there are quite a few of those) for two+.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 4, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Arb
He might accept!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 4, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he would. He’s not going to get the offers he’s hoping for.
by Evan on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even If True, He Will Not Know This Until After He Has To Decide On December 7th.
There is in my judgement very little risk that Bengie will come around tto thinking accepting arbitration is his best option before it is too late for him to do so. The upside of two draft picks is far more likely and the Giants should not pass on this opportunity.
by giantsrainman on Nov 4, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ITS A TRAP
HES PLAYING HARD TO GET
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Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I still like Money.
And I hope the best for him wherever he goes.
Even if he was bad this year.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 5, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get It Done Metz Brass!!
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Nov 3, 2009 10:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lolmets
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SCIENCE
by CB30 on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP METS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 4, 2009 6:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do the Giants dare offer Molina arbitration though?
by deuce deuce on Nov 4, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Please God No
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, b/c they can cut him later
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure!
You offer it and tell Molina he’s going to be back up to Posey when he’s ready, which will be this year. All of the sudden an offer from another team will look great because at least they offer a full time position. The only thing im afraid of is that the Mets sign another big fish and we get left wth fewer picks
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 4, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe get stuck with Molina accepting arb
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Nov 4, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
which isn’t a GUARANTEED contract!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No reason not to offer arb if this is true.
If we don’t or if he accepts arb and we cut him, then we’re no worse off.
The latter option gives the chance of draft picks. Win-win.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 4, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rly?!?!
Game set match! That’s a clincher- no reason not to do it if this is true.
We won’t get anything from him if we don’t offer arb and if we do and he accepts and we cut him, but the latter option at least gives the chance of draft picks.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 4, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a guaranteed contract.
For the Giants, I mean. Other teams might weasel out on a technicality, but the Giants wouldn’t. Not for a proven veteran.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 4, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t give Bork a choice. If Molina is on the roster, Buster will be the backup.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 4, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Molina is on the roster, Buster will be in Fresno the entire season.
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by SFGuy on Nov 4, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I too am interested in Bengie being on the Mets.
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t let the door hit ya!
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by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Get it Done, Mets
by kezargiants on Nov 4, 2009 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OMG YES PLZ
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 4, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure if anyone really knows what the Mets are going to do. Last year it was said they were broke because of the Madoff thing, now it’s being said that they got all of their money out of there with a huge profit before Madoff was caught. It’s also believed that Omar Minaya has been stripped of all of his powers and Fred Wilpon’s son, Jeff, is now running the team. Omar always liked Bengie, but Jeff Wilpon might not.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bengie Molina draws interest from New York Mets
Call me when Bengie Molina draws a paycheck from the New York Mets.
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by nvsfg on Nov 5, 2009 7:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
For any Mets fans reading...
Bengie really would be a GREAT addition to your club. He is fantastic at handling pitchers, gets clutch hits, is an aggressive hitter and a great veteran clubhouse presence. Go for it!
by Into the Void on Nov 5, 2009 11:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That gring you hear in his knees isn’t bone on bone but just condensed grit that powers his powerful 4-hole bat. Savvy!
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 5, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU’RE GOING TO LOVE BENGIE MOLINA!
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Nov 5, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he doesn’t sweat much for a fat guy!
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by satyricrash on Nov 5, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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