Aaron Rowand for Juan Pierre?
by AndrewWK on Nov 29, 2009 1:38 AM PST
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Couple questions on this one:
I know Sabean came out and non officially nixed the Bradley for Rowand deal, but was that because of his disinterest in Bradley? Or his infatuation with Rowand? If the latter, this whole post is mute and I apologize.
Does anyone know the length of Pierre's contract? I thought it was up at the end of this year which, if that's the case, would save the Giants the 10mm we owe Rowand for 2011.
Is this trade doable? Would either team need to absorb salary or include mid level prospects?
Can anyone stomach a trade with Dodger Ewww?
Is this trade worth it? On one hand, we get the speed and OBP. On the other, we get stuck with Pierre's defense and we lose Rowand's Grrrrr Sabean Grit.
Why do I feel like I'm going to be eaten alive on this one?
What's this? Some Rosterbation?
LF Juan Pierre
2B Freddie Sanchez
CF Mike Cameron
RF Nate Schieurholtz/Andres Torres/John Bowker/Eugenio Velez/Freddie Lewis
SS Edgar Renteria
Bench:
Yorvit Torrelba
Juan Uribe (Did I just go over budget?)
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I can't see the Dodgers doing this
with Matt Kemp entrenched as their CF
by Gobroks on Nov 29, 2009 1:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
thanks every post, christ the least you could do is just be respectful,
but no you guys just go on and on
Most of its not even conastructive
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq Chuck Norris lives in Texas
by Mike Fox on Nov 29, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This reply was entirely respectful.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s more fun than being proastructive.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 29, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just teasing Mike, you know we love you
by AndrewWK on Nov 29, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats not weird at all
gross
I don’t even know you, and you love me eww
grown men loving teenagers yuck
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq Chuck Norris lives in Texas
by Mike Fox on Nov 29, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Mike Fox, gay jokes get old once you get past middle school.
by AndrewWK on Nov 29, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not a gay joke, I Hate gay jokes , they are stupid
I am just creeped out
I am not a homophobe, not ignorant, or trying to offend anybody, just weirded out
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq Chuck Norris lives in Texas
by Mike Fox on Nov 29, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PROTIP
We don’t actually love you.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 29, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of us are grown women.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thought to be fair, I myself
am a card-carrying member of NAMMFLA: North American Man/Mike Fox Love Association.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh! I wanna join! Where do we get these cards?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Nov 29, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a copier and a laminating machine I stole from an office supply store. I keep it in my mom’s basement. Come by sometime!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to stay away from WalrusMan.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 29, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Christ
You forgot the capital C.
I have finally accepted the fact that I will never win a McCoven award.
by The Thrill on Nov 29, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre's Contract
I just answered my own question on this one. Contract is done at the end of 2011, same as Rowand.
by AndrewWK on Nov 29, 2009 1:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Rowand is alot of things
But he’s neither Frenchified nor a Dodger. Pass.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 29, 2009 1:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Heeeeeelllllllll no
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 29, 2009 2:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
your poll needs moar options
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Nov 29, 2009 2:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
YES
Juan Pierre OF
5 years/$44M (2007-11)
* 5 years/$44M (2007-11)
o signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 11/06
o 07:$7.5M, 08:$8M, 09:$10M, 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M
o contract includes limited no-trade protection
About half the price of a Rowand
by wilriv21 on Nov 29, 2009 2:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone seems to hate this idea, and it doesn’t matter because it’ll never happen, but I’m not against it so much.
by quincy0191 on Nov 29, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VRRROOOOMMMM
"My friend once told me a story about San Francisco Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum. He said his cousin went out to a bar in San Francisco and saw Lincecum there. He went up to him to give him a handshake.
Lincecum refused. He didn’t want to give him a handshake. He wanted to give him a chest bump."
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 29, 2009 3:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think the word you meant was...
that the point was moooo. its like a cow’s opinion. it doesnt matter…. its mooo
by projectmayhem713 on Nov 29, 2009 7:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's the sound your mother makes, Trebek
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 29, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
“I’ll take Jap-Anus Relations for 200, Alex.”
Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.
by beat_la_25 on Nov 29, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 29, 2009 7:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pierre doesn’t have as much contract left, but he’s also a worse player than Rowand.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 7:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre does not have on base skills.
That said, is having Juan Pierre for half as much money really that bad?
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
by MonkeyChow on Nov 29, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
there’s no way the dodgers would do that
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 29, 2009 9:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
by MonkeyChow on Nov 29, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the only hold up for me.
Why would the dodgers ever want scott? plus pierre actually has SOME value, especially off the bench for them.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Nov 29, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 29, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a fortnight of fail
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 29, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Nov 29, 2009 9:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 29, 2009 9:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Nu-uh.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 29, 2009 12:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
an OF with Velez AND Pierre?
VROOOM OVERLOAD
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
Registered Velezbian and supporter of Fredemption
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 29, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why would we keep Velez in the lineup if we had Pierre?
It most likely would be anyone else BUT velez in there if we got a lead off hitter while getting rid of Rowand.
Bowker LF
Pierre CF
Shierholtz RF
Or if we were to get a FA it could change things up. Cameron like he mentions would be nice.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Nov 29, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we keep Velez in the line up if we had Pierre?
Well according to Brian Sabean’s thinking
Velez=Vroom
Pierre=Vroom
Velez + Pierre=VROOOM VROOOM
VROOOM VROOOM=Playoffs
by Gobroks on Nov 29, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pierre in center? No thanks. But if this trade means Cameron in center then yes.
Pierre+Cameron > Velez+Rowand
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 29, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yesm
Less money.
Less years.
And we need a lead off hitter.
We dont need .270, and 125 Ks again.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Nov 29, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol Hits suck
youre right. stats are dumb. Rowand destroys Pierre in gamerness!!
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Nov 29, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats are a good way to analyze player performance
But batting average is extremely limited in its usefulness.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
If my whole comment was something like in 2003 Juan Pierre hit .322 while scott only hit .280. Then through 06-09 Pierre hit .3whatever and Rowand only hit .2whatever. Then sure because Id be basing everyone on Pierre>Rowand on AVG.
But I mention Ks, Salary, Length of contract and that need for a leadoff hitter.
And I got back a ‘lol’ to the the fact Rowand hit .266 as a giant.
Not a big deal, I guess i was looking for something more constructive then a lol using avg, when I talked about more then that.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Nov 29, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fine
but juan pierre still isn’t a leadoff hitter
by sfoakbay on Nov 29, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
?
His career OBP is about 40 points higher than the guy we’re probably gonna have hitting leadoff most of the year next season (and 60 points higher last season) plus he’s got more vrrroom. A great leadoff hitter? Not really. A significant upgrade at the top of the lineup? Yes.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 29, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but even crappy hitters look great when compared to the giants’ lineup. in the end, i think i would rather have rowand than him
by sfoakbay on Nov 29, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not arguing that Pierre is a better player than Rowand. I think his contract is slightly less bad only because it ends sooner, but mostly I just like the idea of Pierre hitting first a lot better than the idea of Velez hitting first. And I’d like to see either Schierholtz or Cameron patrolling center next year. If it weren’t for Bochy I’m not sure I’d like this trade either, but I don’t trust him to not give Velez the large majority of the LF playing time next year.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 30, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was OBP.
Not that there’s much difference with this team.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 29, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol Juan Pierre as a leadoff hitter
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 29, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol rowand 7th hitter
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Nov 29, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol Velez lead off instead
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Nov 29, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol false dichotomy
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 29, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol just wanted to get in on this action
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
by GiantPain on Nov 30, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre? Yes!
I’ve always been a JP supporter (insert jock strap joke here). The guy hustles, studies the game and preps opposing fields like a true gamer. He’s great in the clutch…whereas Aaron (God bless him), usually whiffs. In LF, he’d be an upgrade over Velez and Fred Lewis and would be an ideal place-setter now that Winn is leaving. Plus, he’s a good community guy and has World Series Championship experience. I’d be willing to forgive him for being an ex-Dodger…we extended a nice welcome for Penny, didn’t we? Lastly, he was named after Juan Marichal…so how bad can he be in SF??
"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum
by Timlincecum.com on Nov 29, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’s great in the clutch…whereas Aaron (God bless him), usually whiffs.
Career clutch splits:
Pierre:
2 outs, RISP: .263 / .331 / .338, 1 HR in 677 PA
Late and Close: .282 / .346 / .331, 0 HR in 872 PA
Rowand:
2 outs, RISP: .288 / .380 / .418, 10 HR in 527 PA
Late and Close: .283 / .352 / .448, 21 HR in 634 PA
You are right that Rowand strikes out more in those situations. However, both strike out at pretty much the same rate in those situations as they do overall, so I don’t think that has much to do with being “clutch.”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And compared to their overall stats
Rowand’s OBP is higher in those clutch splits than overall; otherwise, he’s pretty much the same. Juan Pierre’s clutch splits are worse than his overall numbers (mainly in BA and SLG).
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the stats...
But the real question is, what is more annoying/entertaining to watch: Rowand’s Crap-Stance or Pierre’s “I’m wearing Manny’s baggy pants” Stance?
"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum
by Timlincecum.com on Nov 29, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there's no contest!
GIT R DUN SABEZZZ
by sfoakbay on Nov 29, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
STUDIES THE GAME!! GAMEROICITY!! PLACE-SETTER!!! RINGZ!!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 29, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
THROWBAK
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
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You know what I hate. Couples at Barnes and Noble who use both outlets for two computers and end up using just one computer. Then when you ask to use one they say yes, only to say one hour later that they need it back and they leave the unused computer plugged in!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
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My computer was dieing and I asked to use one of the plugs they said yeah. I siad let me know when you need it back. 20 minutes later they asked for it back and I was all “sure” 5 minutes later they weren’t using both computers and my computer died… I had to go home
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by say hey nation on Nov 29, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of the former Braves GM in right.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 30, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL wow
Mike Fox is the new Swoop/TAGSNG
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 30, 2009 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is it a coincidence that others of this type have disappeared and Mike Fox appears??
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 30, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Rowand to the White Sox for Jones at this point.
JOnes can’t hit so it seems, at least any more but Rowand can’t hit for the second half of a season anyway. All that squating in the batters box has to take its toll on his hamstrings, thighs, calfs and gluteals.
by bradleybear on Nov 30, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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