Question about Nick Johnson and other stuff
by Mike Fox on Nov 28, 2009 11:57 PM PST
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PrintI see now that after seeing all his stats he is very much worth pursuing, but what do we do if we sign him. Can we afford to trade hitting for pitching, no. Also what are we supposed to do about a catcher, and resigning uribe, Penny, and any other players who are key to are success. I realize now though that the free agent posts are retty much pointless. i mean there is not really any player who we can sign that will make us that much better offensively. Nobody knows who we can get to play catcher. I will reiterate my point again Buster Posey really isn't ready and I don't know why we would bring him up so prematurely. Its just really frustrating because no trade or signing will really make us great. We cannot trade pitching because that is our identity and if we trade pitching we change our identity and it messes up chemistry. Our offense is not gonna get that much better. Even if we resign Uribe, Bengie, and get Nick Johnson we will only be left with an offense of 5 good hitters and left with for holes because we don't have that many other capable hitters. We are left with just throwing the lineups up and seeing if they stick.The only thing realistic option is to wait, wait for oppurtunities to present themselves, wait for young minor league guys to hopefully translate into good ball players. I really think that whats probably gonna happen is nick Johnson will not sign with the Giants and we will have to sign some old bad players to bad contracts. Hopefully this year Rowand can suck less on offense, Rentaria can hit above .260 and the outfielders aren't too bad.
I have to ask a few questions
Why are you so obsessed with Posey starting, Why?
Why do you want Dan Uggla when we would have to give up Sanchez and he wil hit low average, play poor defense, and lose power in AT&T.
and What would you think would be the next best option if we don't sign Nick Johnson?
and who do you think is the best choice for catcher since you guys are so down on Bengie
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but Molina knocks in runs and gets hrs and his a good catcher
Posey I don’t know what else to say he isn’t ready, isn’t ready to catch big league pitchers, and i don’t know if he is ready to face big league pitching yet
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by kaliber on Nov 29, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Posey would have as much experience catching the Giants staff as any FA we sign
Molina can’t get on base and Posey is a definite ROY candidate. Posey is more athletic which lends itself to better defense and his ability to hit has never been questioned. He is probably the best prospect from the 08 draft. I think we need a veteran back up (like Ivan Rodriguez) to mentor him but Posey should get the lions share of the AB’s.
How do you know Posey isnt ready for the majors yet?
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catching is a tough position and major league catching is different than college he needs time to adjust to the major league level and experience the minors more
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how will he get experience catching in the majors if he’s just catching in the minors?
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 29, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 30, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
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I was going to try to explain the fallacies of his comment, but you nailed it.
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ITS TEH RIB EYES
And I don’t have any keys to the Stat Cave, but I know some nerd/computerhead posted a nice statistical description of how Bengie’s horrendous defense totally negates his rib eyes.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 29, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
What makes you think Posey isn’t ready? He was pretty good defensively in his brief sample in the majors this year. He mashed in the minors and has definitely shown he has nothing left to prove there. The biggest question about him is whether or not he can handle the pitching staff because he lacks experience calling games. If his game calling abilities are that suspect, we could simply pick up someone like Yorvit Torrealba as a cheap stopgap to hold the position until Posey’s ready.
We would not have to give up Sanchez to get Uggla. Uggla is due a huge amount in arbitration this year and the Marlins don’t want to pony up the 8 mil or so he will be awarded. He is also under contract for only two more years. And he apparently doesn’t get along too well with Hanley Ramirez, who is much more important to the Marlins. He would probably only take a mid level prospect or two. Also, average is a bad way to evaluate the worth of a hitter. He walks a good amount and hits for a lot of power, which wouldn’t suffer too much in AT&T because he bats right handed. His below average defense would be negligible if he played 2B and hit for his usual .800+ OPS.
I would prefer Uggla over NJ, but I’d settle for NJ. If we can’t pull off either, though, there’s a plethora of recently injured but potential rebound candidates on the FA market, such as Carlos Delgado, Troy Glaus, and Adrian Beltre. Adam LaRoche would be a decent pick up, too.
I think Posey would be the best choice for catcher. He would be a cheap in-house solution and he would probably be better offensively than Molina. Molina sucks. Yes, he hits dingerz. But he literally never walks, doesn’t hit much of anything besides dingerz, and his defense is pretty meh. He would also cost about 5 mil at least, and he allegedly wants a multi-year deal. It’s not smart to hand those out to 35-year-old catchers. We would be much better off offering him arb, letting the Mets sign him, and picking up the compensation draft picks we would get.
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I think we should avoid the FA market and make a trade
I think Luke Scott of the Orioles could be had for Ryan Garko and a mid level prospect. Scott put up good numbers last year 25 HR’s and a respectable .340 OBP.
I don't think they would take just anybody for him
it would have to include 2 prospects, one of our outfielders, and then Ishikawa because he is young and has potential
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Well I don't think they would want Ishikawa
They have a young 1B-Brandon Snyder-and they want a vet to groom him.
They also already have a great young OF with Nolan Reimold, Adam Jones and Nick Markakis, so they wouldn’t need an OF.
I also heard they were putting him on the market so it wouldn’t take a huge offer to convince Baltimore to move him.
oh then why not seems like a great deal for us and we need offense and outfielders
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wait he is a dh and a good hitter so he is valuable, also just because a team puts a guy on the market, it doesn't mean that that player can easily be traded for
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Can he play the field or is he just an DH
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I am not sure, I am guessing though they want something in return though if he hits well
probably a pitcher, they won’t just give him away for nothing
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He is 31
But his career UZR is positive in LF and RF, although he mostly ply LF. He also has 10 games at 1B.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 29, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Ishikawa is in his prime. He has little potential. His performance last year is very likely what you’re going to get going forward.
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I've seen you make this argument before
but he just went through his rookie year at age 25. He has some 492 total PAs. He has some years to grow and some time to adjust to Major League competition still. Not to mention get his head right so that his road split aren’t so putrid. I think its premature to say he has plateaued. It’s not premature to say you don’t think he will ever amount to much based on his skills/athleticism/failings/holes so he has little potential. But age and “prime”, I just don’t agree he is there yet.etc. He has potential for some career years if he can play himself onto a lineup card.
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A hitter’s prime is usually 25-29. I’d expect him to improve a bit, making the adjustments you pointed out, but that’s it. I wouldn’t expect to make a big leap, though.
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What I was mostly trying to point out, though, is that it’s fallacious to posit that Ishikawa has potential because he’s young. He’s not. He’ll be 26 next year, which certainly isn’t old, but isn’t young, either. His age-related potential is limited by the fact that few players improve significantly in their late 20s.
And this doesn’t even account for the lack of offensive talent he displayed last year (in my opinion).
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why would anyone want Garko?
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Thats what I mean
I mean keep Posey in the minors for half to a full season and hire a veteran catcher like Pudge
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I think the Giants want Pudge to mentor Posey on and off the field
I don’t think having Posey as our #7 hitter (ahead of Rent) would be fine.
There is only one way for Posey to learn the staff
And that is to play him. He isn’t going to learn anything about them catching Ryan Sadowski in Fresno.
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I guess, but not rush him
give him abs here and there, but not full time you have to agree its a little unreasonable to believe he is ready.
It would be better I guess though to have him learning with the pros instead of the minors. He could get insite on the pitchers, tips, how to be good catcher. Thats a better use of his potential
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I love an argument that starts with, "you have to agree..."
Actually no, I don’t have to agree. That is why this is a discussion. Giving an opinion and stating, “you have to agree” is making it sound like you are giving factual evidence when really you, or I for that matter, have no idea. You are giving an opinion, that is it. We can argue all we want, but nobody really knows if Posey is ready for a full-time job unless he plays. Lets wait and see. Then maybe I’ll have to agree with you.
but not full time you have to agree its a little unreasonable to believe he is ready.
Why do I have to believe that?
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How is it unreasonable?
It’s not like he’s some bum signed off the street. Posey is the closest thing to major league ready you will find at the catching position right now in the minors.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
1. Posey = inexpensive, higher offensive ceiling. Molina = expensive, mediocre, fragile. And don’t forget, losing Molina (assuming they offer arbitration) nets the Giants an extra draft pick, something that can’t be undervalued.
2. I’m actually more pro the Giants picking up Chone Figgins or Mike Cameron or BJ Upton or resigning Juan Uribe, rather than them signing Johnson or trading for Uggla.
3. I’d like to see Yorvit back in a Giants uniform to tutor Posey, and give us a decent platoon/bench option
Well, the one good thing about Timmy getting rich in arbitration is that it might force the Giants’ into avoiding a stupid signing or two. Why sign a veteran FA catcher when you have the minor league player of the year right on your roster? Give Posey the job and keep Whiteside as the backup. If you’re wrong about Posey you can always find a veteran catcher available later in the season. Save what little FA money you have on clear upgrades, not on positions where you don’t necessarily need to do anything.
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I don’t think most of us would be upset if Posey started out in AAA. But that means signing a catcher who would have to know he’s not in the team’s long run plans. That generally means he’s going to be very good (unless he’s just terribly underrated). A lot of us are fond of Greg Zaun as a guy who should be a back up, but probably won’t kill you if allowed to start for a month or two. (He also has a badass website, if that helps).
Personally this is how I see it. The Giants are with a team that is not as talented as the Rockies or Dodgers. So they should be willing to take some risks, because if they don’t work out they weren’t going to win by playing it safe. Starting Posey at the mlb level would be one of those high upside risks that I would take.
Others have mentioned the important point that the Giants have a limited budget, and playing Posey may allow them to upgrade that position while saving money. That money could be spent upgrading other parts of the offense.
And yes, Posey likely will be an upgrade over 2008 version of Bengie. Bengie does have decent power for a catcher, but he’s not good at almost every other aspect of the offensive game. He doesn’t get on base, and if he does, he’s one of baseball’s least valuable base-runners.
The RBIs can fool you. They are partly a product of legitimate skill in that B Money doesn’t strike out much, but they are also due to the fact he spent most of the season in the 4 spot, often hitting behind the only good hitter on the team. No one should be fooled into thinking that, say, Jose Lopez’s RBI totals are anything special because he bats right behind a guy who’s always on base and usually going to take an extra one. Similarly the Giants will replace a lot of Bengie’s RBIs by just filling his spot in the line-up, and they’ll probably get that spot to score a few more runs, to boot.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
The RBIs can fool you. They are partly a product of legitimate skill in that B Money doesn’t strike out much
And even in that way, he seems to be moving in the wrong direction. In 2008, he struck out 6.7% of the time. In 2009, he struck out 13.1% of the time. He set a personal record for most strike outs and came close to his worst strike out rate.
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Yes. I was going to mention that B$ looks like he’s about ready for a collapse (and that K% spike is a big reason why), but I was getting up into OGC territory, word count wise.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
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Need RBIs? Go after some unclaimed 4 or 5 hitter. The batting order spot can give a poor or unrated player a good showing in RBIs.
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by lincecuminyourface on Nov 29, 2009 7:51 AM PST reply actions
I’ll chime in something else here.
We cannot trade pitching because that is our identity and if we trade pitching we change our identity and it messes up chemistry.
Actually we can’t trade starting pitching because we have nothing ready to graduate the minors. Madison is probably at least the better part of a season away from being able to repeatedly face MLB batters and get them out. The free agent relief pitcher market is very full as well so can’t expect much value from trading young relievers right now.
Certain fans like to poo – poo a pitcher because he does not play 4+ days a week and those that do rarely play 100 innings but the fact is half the roster is Pitchers now day. That is an awful lot of spots to have to fill with competent help. The way the game is played now day not only do you need to find 10+ quality pitchers and as good as the Giants staff on the 25 Man roster is they barely have that right now.
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Also what are we supposed to do about a catcher, and resigning uribe, Penny, and any other players who are key to are success. I
Other people have already covered the catcher thing, and your assumption that Posey isn’t ready doesn’t seem to be based on everything. Actually, you remind me of people who thought Pablo Sandoval couldn’t possibly be ready last year. Posey, like Sandoval, is a special talent who’s tearing up the minors.
Regarding your other point, check out Juan Uribe’s OPS+ over the last five years. If you’re not familiar, and I’m guessing you’re not, OPS+ adjusts OPS for league average and ballpark. 100 is league average, and higher numbers are better.
2005: 85
2006: 73
2007: 74
2008: 76
2009: 111
In other words, yeah, he was pretty good in 2009. Not elite (Sandoval, by comparison, had an OPS+ of 142), but pretty good. However, he had been far below average for four years in a row before that. In other words, in 2009 Uribe was playing over his head and he’s likely to regress next year. With that having been said, he’d still be a good value if we could get him for another contract like he had this year – but that’s not happening. He’s likely to get a multi-year deal and it’s very likely he won’t be worth it.
Besides, the “key to success”? Nah. A middle infielder with a 111 OPS+ is a nice thing to have, but it’s hardly the key to winning a championship. Notice how, with Uribe this year, our offense was still pathetic.
Brad Penny? He had a pretty good 6 games with us. Before that, he was terrible for 24 starts. In 2008, he was terrible in 17 starts and two relief appearances. Which do you think is more reliable – 6 starts, or 41 starts?
We cannot trade pitching because that is our identity and if we trade pitching we change our identity and it messes up chemistry.
First of all, chemistry is bullshit. You’re probably too young to remember this, but in 2002, Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent hated each other so much they once got into a physical fight in the dugout in full view of the cameras – and the Giants came within an inch of winning the World Series (before that meteor strike took out the city of Anaheim). Second, teams change their identity all the time. Until a couple of years ago, Barry Bonds was our identity – and had been for a good 15 years. Before that, Humm Baby was our identity. Before that, being absolute shit at every aspect of the game was our identity. I’m not keen on trading pitching, but you’re reaching the right conclusion – that we shouldn’t trade pitching – for nonsensical reasons.
Why are you so obsessed with Posey starting, Why?
Because he’s one of the two three or so prospects in the game, and the best hitting prospect we’ve had since Will Clark was promoted to the majors in 1986.
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Also
I was thinking of suggesting Mr. Fox spend some time on sites like baseball-reference and fangraphs, but I suspect those would just be overwhelming to start with. Maybe others can suggest sites aimed at explaining baseball analysis on a more beginning level.
Reading The Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract and Moneyball would be good.
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Chemistry
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by natteringnabob on Nov 29, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
But you promised!
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by say hey nation on Nov 29, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions
Even if we resign Uribe, Bengie, and get Nick Johnson we will only be left with an offense of 5 good hitters and left with for holes because we don’t have that many other capable hitters.
Four good hitters!?
1) Pablo Sandoval
2) Nick Johnson
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Do you mean Bengie!?
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If so, here's a Public Service Announcement
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Before you go, “OMG RBIZ!!!!!” consider this:
In 2009, there were 11 players who had at least 400 at bats as a cleanup hitter. Here they are, ranked by the number of RBIs they got :
1) Prince Fielder 141
2) Ryan Howard 138
3) Carlos Lee 102
4) Matt Holliday 101
5) Alex Rodriguez 100
6) Adam Dunn 98
6) Jorge Cantu 98
8) Miguel Cabrera 91
9) Brian McCann 87
10) Brandon Phillips 82
11) Bengie Molina 73
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by jcb9 on Nov 29, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And to clarify
That’s the number of RBIs they got AS A CLEANUP HITTER, not overall. Bengie, for example, had 80 overall – the rest came as a pinch hitter or those few games when Bochy finally dropped him out of the cleanup spot.
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I bet he means
Fred Lewis!
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by raisingcain on Nov 29, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
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Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Nov 29, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Is he Bruce Bochy in disguise trying to convince the Giants fanbase that we need Bengie?
by WilliamVanLaunchingpad on Nov 29, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions
Mike Fox has to be the alter ego of someone here. The spelling mistakes in his posts seem too carefully placed.
Also, no one can be this stoopid.
naw.
if so, his last name would have been Cox or Hunt.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 30, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
thanks I love being called stupid
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 30, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Let Posey make his mistakes in April
So by May, he will be rakin it.
wtf?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 30, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
At least Rx knows what he is talking about
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 1, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Let me ask you this...
“Nobody knows who we can get to play catcher. I will reiterate my point again Buster Posey really isn’t ready "
—What makes you think that Buster Posey isn’t ready? And to answer your question “Why are you so obsessed with Posey starting, Why?” with a question, why are you so obsessed with re-signing Bengie? See jcb’s post above regarding Bengie’s production from the clean-up spot. Pretty bad, no? Grant did a good piece during the year that showed how Bengie was one of the worst clean-up hitters in history and you want to re-sign him? Why?
“Why do you want Dan Uggla when we would have to give up Sanchez and he wil hit low average, play poor defense, and lose power in AT&T.” For the record, I’m not a big fan of Uggla but I suppose beggars can’t be choosers.
“and What would you think would be the next best option if we don’t sign Nick Johnson?” Well, I would love it if the Giants signed Figgins but that will never happen. It’s not a good free agent pool but if the Gnats don’t sign Johnson or Figgins, I would actually prefer them to go after some high-risk, high-reward talent such as Delgado, Glaus and perhaps Tejada who could be had on a decent salary.
“and who do you think is the best choice for catcher since you guys are so down on Bengie” uh…Posey.
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