Them's Fightin' Words?
by shanghaijim on Nov 25, 2009 2:31 PM PST
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Lincecum is not eligible for my list because he has not yet won 50 games... I do think Lincecum is an awfully good bet for the Hall of Fame. Better than Greinke? I don't think so. I know many people prefer Lincecum's greatness, but I think a lot of that is because Lincecum pitches in the National League*. And, as good and as well-publicized a year as Greinke had, I think many people STILL don't quite get how good he is.
*Just as a starting point: Opposing pitchers have had 173 plate appearances against Lincecum in his career -- they are hitting .095/.142/.116 against him with 68 Ks against eight walks -- add a little of that to Greinke's totals and see what you get.
Guru Joe Poz on SI, article of whom you may already have read: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/11/25/pujols.hall/1.html
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Too close to call. Only sure thing is that they’re the two best pitchers in the game going forward.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
roy halladay doesn’t think it’s a “sure thing”
FREE BUSTER
by TimLincecumIsGod on Nov 25, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Halladay will be 33 next season. He was also not as good as either of them this year.
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
by boonitez on Nov 25, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this lowers his value in arbitration
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by jctGamer on Nov 25, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They are both awesome but Timmy's hair is better
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by NuschlerFace on Nov 25, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A combination of all three.
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by ResDog on Nov 27, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thrilling showmanship, divine nature, and the indestructibility of melted styrofoam
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by shanghaijim on Nov 27, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jennifer Connelly.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 28, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How dare you still my thunder!
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/11/24/1172910/what-this-giants-fan-is-thankful#26149579
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by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, your thunder wasn’t moving very much in the first place.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Copying from elsewhere
Regarding that split he references:
Their respective numbers against non-pitchers:
Greinke: .263 / .312 / .416 allowed, strikes out 20% of hitters
Lincecum: .226 / .300 / .333 allowed, strikes out 27% of hitters
In 2009:
Lincecum: .213 / .279 / .301, struck out 28%
Greinke: .230 / .276 / .336, struck out 27%
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by jcb9 on Nov 25, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying I agree with Posnanski, because I don’t, but one of the things he may be implying is the perceived superiority of American League lineups, pitcher or no pitcher. In other words, because Greinke has to face the Rangers and the Red Sox and the Yankees of the world more often than Timmy, comparing their BAA is comparing apples and oranges.
What are Timmy’s stats when making starts against AL teams? I don’t actually know, but would be curious to see them.
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by Kitspool on Nov 25, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His interleague numbers aren't great, but they are better than Greinke's!
Lincecum: 3.91 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, .256 / .323 / .354, 27% strike outs
Greinke: 4.36 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, .272 / .318 / .442, 21% strike outs
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 25, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
8 games for Lincecum, 20 for Greinke.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 25, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum’s bad interleague games, interestingly, were against the Blue Jays and…the Royals.
Also, Greinke hasn’t been very good against the Yankees thus far. 5.27 ERA in 10 games, 7 starts.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 25, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Timmy’s the better pitcher. If Greinke can replicate his season again next year and Timmy falls down a well, then they’ll be comparable. At this point Greinke’s had one breakout season and Timmy’s won two Cy Young awards.
by quincy0191 on Nov 25, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Timmy falls down a well, I hope somebody has the wherewithal to call Sting.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite Simpsons episode ever.
Marge: Sting, you look tired. Maybe you should take a rest.
Sting: Not while one of my fans needs me.
Marge: Actually, I don’t know if I’ve ever heard Bart play one of your albums.
Homer: Shhhh. Marge, he’s a good digger!
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by Kitspool on Nov 25, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 25, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/waits to see how many people fall
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by Natto on Nov 25, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh baloney! You were just off Googling “Lassie”
by Merope on Nov 25, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Safe search OFF, though. 0_o
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just say I discovered a remake of “Lassie, Come Home”…
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by Natto on Nov 25, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/Re-loses faith in humanity
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 25, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s closer than that. Greinke was better this year; Tim has been better over the last two years. How you call it depends on how much credit you give Greinke for pitching in the tougher league.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A fair, balanced, reasonable comment on this site? How dare you.
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by Kitspool on Nov 25, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With the unbalanced schedule, the league difference is somehwat offset by the fact that the AL Central is the worst-hitting in the AL, while the NL West – even with the Padres and Giants, amazingly – is above-average for the NL in terms of runs scored.
Overall, on average, AL teams scored 63 runs more than NL teams. Comparing the AL Central (less the Royals) to the NL West (less the Giants), the difference is half that – 29 runs.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 25, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s more complicated than that, though, because the AL hitters are doing it against better pitchers.
I recall reading that the difference is a quarter-run of ERA, but who knows how reliable or consistent that is.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but the point isn’t really the actual runs scored/allowed. The point is that the difference between the NL West and the AL Central isn’t as big as the difference between the AL and the NL generally.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 25, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it matters much, though. Every team plays more games against the other two divisions than they do against their own.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Posnanski seems to be forgetting the universal law that
Tim Lincecum > You.
You includes Greinke
by Gobroks on Nov 25, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval vs. Lincecum
/head asplodes
by quincy0191 on Nov 25, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m Greinke? Sweet!
/signs with Giants for 5 yrs/$500,000
by goGSW24 on Nov 25, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL I think you missed a few zeros there :-D
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by baetown415 on Nov 26, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry but there's only one thing I can think about right now:
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 25, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There's only one thing I can think of right now too.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's demeaning to women
you chauvinist
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 25, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay food blog tiem
My cousin made pumpkin pie cake for Turkey Day. You know, pumpkin pie filling over a yellow cake, topped with a crushed walnut/pecan butter crust …
Me, I’m cooking the turkey. Hopefully it will be defrosted by tomorrow morning.
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by shanghaijim on Nov 25, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Nov 25, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Imagine how good Tim would be if he got to face the Giants lineup 3-4 time a season.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 25, 2009 9:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WINZ ?
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by shanghaijim on Nov 25, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
42 winz
New record, and in only 35 starts. He’s that good.
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by cornball on Nov 26, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who gives a fuck, Joba is better than both of them.
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by jponry on Nov 26, 2009 12:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Joba would be unanimous Cy Young winner in the NL. In fact, he would be the only person to get a vote.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 26, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joba for Nobel Peace Prize
he hasn’t declared war on anyone since getting called up from Scranton.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Nov 26, 2009 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are both excellent pitchers
The stat difference between the N.L. and the A.L. with a large enough sample size can be 98% due to the DH, done by multiple regression analysis. There is a less than 2% superiority of the A.L. not due to the DH, but that could be a lingering effect, as guys still pitching quite good, do not have to be removed for a pinch hitter in a close game. The effect is probably quite less than 2%
by bradleybear on Nov 26, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He inspired a new world climate
(insert remark about increased CO2 emissions here)
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by shanghaijim on Nov 26, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE'S NO GURU
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by satyricrash on Nov 26, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What we should agree about
- Greinke was better in 2009.
- Lincecum was better in 2008.
- Overall, they were about even in 2008-2009.
- Neither one has had any injuries in his pro career, and both have proven that they are durable.
- The are probably the two best young pitchers in the game.
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by Cookyman on Nov 27, 2009 5:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I don’t think you need to qualify the last statement with “young”
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by jponry on Nov 27, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although Felix is worthy of mention as well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 27, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Verlander had an amazing year too.
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by Cookyman on Nov 27, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Miller seemed to think so.
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by Natto on Nov 27, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
repost
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by shanghaijim on Nov 27, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Win
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 27, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice.
a la Mac vs. PC
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
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