Rank Your Giants Prospects
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 11:34 AM PST
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I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone thinks about the top 10 prospects in the system before all the other blogs, sites and services start doing theirs. Admittedly, I have very little first hand exposure to these guys so my list wont be the best informed but I'll kick it off anyway.
1. Buster Posey
2. Maddison Bumgarner
3. Thomas Neal
5. Zack Wheeler
6. Rafael Rodriguez
7. Dan Runzler
8. Carlos Willoughby
9. Jorge Bucardo
10. Angel Villalona
Honorable Mention: Kieschnick, Dominguez, Joseph, Noonan
Tough to say where Wheeler fits in. I love Rodriguez line this season. Willoughby also put up a pretty silly line for a 19 y/o. Wonder if he'll be in Scottsdale this Summer. I don't know if I should have even put Angel on the list considering as it stands he wont be coming back to the states any time soon.
Willoughby's career line starting at 18.
Year G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
3 Seasons 173 685 531 157 162 13 14 1 78 91 19 107 86 .305 .440 .388 .828 206 2 27 12 8 1
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say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Willoughby
Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2007 18 Giants DOSL FrgnRk SFG 50 106 86 23 25 2 1 0 11 12 3 13 11 .291 .419 .337 .756 29 1 6 1 0 0
2008 19 Giants DOSL FrgnRk SFG 55 250 194 60 55 6 3 0 24 33 4 39 42 .284 .414 .345 .759 67 1 7 6 4 0
2009 20 Giants DOSL FrgnRk SFG 68 329 251 74 82 5 10 1 43 46 12 55 33 .327 .466 .438 .904 110 0 14 5 4 1
3 Seasons 173 685 531 157 162 13 14 1 78 91 19 107 86 .305 .440 .388 .828 206 2 27 12 8 1
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/24/2009.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 24, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A 20-year old in the DSL for the third year?
I’m skeptical.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 24, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the DSL because it’s a funny acronym.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what his deal is
but I like his k/bb.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SHITTY SHITTY Pitching
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ISWYDT
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cody_ransom does not see what I did there.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Missed it.
Something about acronyms?
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DSL – And not the internets kind.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 24, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that they have an image with it
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
22 images!
And I was a bit disappointed that I could recognize those lips.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 24, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy moly, Angelina Jolie.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 24, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. That's better.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My top 10
1-Posey
2-MadBum
3-Wheeler
4-Neal
5-Kieschnick
6-Rodriguez
7-Tommy Joseph
8-Dan Runzler
9-Hector Sanchez
10-Francisco Peguero
by Gobroks on Nov 24, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Will there be a Community Prospect list this year?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does BLB love himself?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 24, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good. I shall then remove myself from this thread
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 24, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. new here.
Am I preempting an annual prospect list generated by the board?
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Last year we did a board prospect list, but it was the first year. What you’re doing here is different anyways and probably a good way to start people thinking about it.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 24, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
could we have a follow-up the community list to see how well/poor the players performed?
by wilriv21 on Nov 24, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a good idea. Hopefully I’ll get off my ass this coming weekend and start it up. Maybe I could roll the review into the first vote, which should just be Posey vs. Bumgarner anyways.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 24, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome, marcello.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. No Crawford?
He’s got the glove to excel defensively at SS and we’ve seen some really great potential from him with the bat. And why so high on Kieshnick? I ask in sincerity. You probably know more about it than I do.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Look at prospect number four. There is the answer to your first question. Kieschnick, in his professional season, put up a 296/345/532 with 23 homers. That is a pretty good line for a corner outfielder debuting in HiA.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And where would you guys rank Alderson and Barnes in your rankings.
Sickles had Alderson at 7 for the Pie Rats.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It is sad to see Alderson and Barnes gone from the organization.
ESPECIALLY for what we got for them. A guy who can do a split but has 2 left feet, and a guy who can hit a lot of singles in a good year. but walks rarely!
by bradleybear on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking both would probably make the top ten.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BA ranked Alderson 7th for the Pirates top 10 too, yet they don’t even project him to be in the rotation in 2013.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 24, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Posey
2. Bumgarner
3. Wheeler
4. Neal
5. R. Rodriguez
6. Kieschnick
7. B. Crawford
8. Noonan
9. Joseph
10. Runzler
by nelson95 on Nov 24, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That seems about right. I’d drop Kieschnick a few spots.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am contemplating moving up Crawford after is good AFL showing to either the 5th or 6th spot.
by nelson95 on Nov 24, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks pretty much what i’d have aside from i wouldn’t have Runzler on there.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Nov 24, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t usually put relievers in the top 10, but Runzler was outstanding last season and I couldn’t think of someone else who deserved a top 10 spot.
by nelson95 on Nov 24, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would put him top 10.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 24, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Runzler but i wouldn’t put him in the top 10 as relievers just aren’t worth very much unless they’re shut-down closers. I guess the best candidates to replace him are Gillaspie, Dominguez, King or Graham.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Nov 24, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Runzler could become a shut down closer.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is he a prospect, though?
I mean, he came up, he dominated, he’s a major league reliever. He’s not really a prospect anymore.
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
by Giantsfan4life on Nov 25, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The definition most use for prospects is less than 50 innings for pitchers and less than 130 at bats for hitters. He’s only pitched 8.2 innings in the majors.
by nelson95 on Nov 25, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of that group, Gillaspie is the only one I would consider for a top 10 spot and his lack of power and suspect defense moved him down my list. I still think he is top 15 for the Giants. King will probably end up as a reliever. Dominguez did not dominate as a college player in rookie ball and I have trouble putting a 6th round draft choice (Graham) in my top 10 when he has never played pro ball. Runzler is a better choice than any of these.
by nelson95 on Nov 25, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Joseph will be in the Top 5 next season
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He is the Dingerzball Wizard after all.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And hopefully,
Posey and Bumgarner, wont be on the list.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUMGARDENER 4 FEELDUR!!!!!
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Brandon Graham for President.
Pickles can definitely be the VP.
by beat_la_25 on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants engage in Fielder/Bumgarner talks.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LTP
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LTP?
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Light Tower Power
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 24, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You down with LTP?
Yeah you know me.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 24, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Brett Pill
2. Brock Bond
3. are there even three prospects
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 24, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
3. Brian Bocock
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 24, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All of their names start with “Br-”
Coincidence???
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 24, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*takes off glasses*
…My God.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 24, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, here’s what we’ve got: Bruce Bochy, in conjunction with KNBR, under the supervision of Brian Sabean, is forcing our prospect lists to include only players with “Br” in their name, in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. We’re through the looking glass, here, people.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 24, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All the while they are trying to replace lunch with brunch!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Buster will never start until he changes his name to Bruster.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IT'S A SIGN!!!!! BRYCE HARPER WILL BE OURS!!!!!!!!
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Brandon Graham for President.
Pickles can definitely be the VP.
by beat_la_25 on Nov 24, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Breugenio Velez… hmm.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 24, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My first name is Bryce…I need to enter the draft!
by quincy0191 on Nov 24, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4. Brandon Crawford
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 24, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
STOP SHOWING OFF UR ANTI SABEAN BIAS
by sfoakbay on Nov 24, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT I AM VERY PROUD OF IT!!
/shows you
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 24, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHY DOES IT LOOK ALL BRUISED?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 25, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EXCESSIVE ROSTERBATION!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 25, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Power prospects (most important kind)—Neal, Posey, Joseph, Dominguez, Klieshnik, Crawford
Defense/speed/OBP prospects—Ford, Peguero, Crawford, Adrianza, Noonan, McBryde, Gillaspie
Pitchers—hard to rank as MadBum and Runzler already have ML experience. Like somebody said, we’ll dig out the lower minor stats later to rank Tanner, Snyder etc.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Nov 24, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If mentioning C. Domenguez then shouldn’t Ryan Cavan should be mentioned here? A middle infielder that posts a 241 ISO and 1:1 K/BB should get some interest from us.
Yes, I am currently converting the Denker Fan Bus PediCab to ’10 Cavan Fan Bus Pedicab. I fully intend to internet stalk him tell the restraining order comes through or he morphs into Cody Ranson the Second.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 25, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m on board the Cavan-wagon.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 25, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where have all the pitchers gone, long time passin' ?
1. Buster Posey
2. Madison Bumgarner
3. Thomas Neal
4. Brandon Crawford
5. Zach Wheeler
6. RaRod
7. Nick Noonan
8. Roger Kieschnick
9. Darren Ford
10. Hector Sanchez
11. Tommy “Pinball Wizard” Joseph
12. Chris “Dingerz” Dominguez
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 24, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like this list.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 24, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do, too. I’d probably have Wheeler above Crawford, but that’s it. Good list, Lyle.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh…Wheeler hasn’t even pitched yet
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you owe Pat Riley some dough now
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the list too. Wasn’t Noonan on the decline most of last year? He’s still young, still a prospect, but not rising like Klieschnick I think
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Nov 25, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His home K rate was substantially higher than his away K rate (22% vs 15%), I have heard that SJ has a wierd backdrop in CF that makes it harder to read pitches. He also dropped his K rate the last two months of the season (SSS, 130 AB) to 7%
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where have all the pitchers gone, long time passin’ ?
1. Buster Posey
2. Madison Bumgarner
3. Thomas Neal
4. Brandon Crawford
5. Zach Wheeler
6. RaRod
7. Nick Noonan
8. Roger Kieschnick
9. Darren Ford
10. Hector Sanchez
11. Tommy "Pinball Wizard" Joseph
12. Chris "Dingerz" Dominguez
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 26, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, meant to quote that.
I agree with 1-3. Although I could see Wheeler at 3 as well. i think 4 is too high for Crawford. I understand that positional scarcity and defensive skills raise his value. as does his AFL performance. The Ks really concern me a great deal though. I could see him as high as 5. but I’d put him more 7-8 personally.
Darren Ford at 9? Wow. Darren Ford’s probably my favorite Giants prospect. But 9? I have him more in the 15-20 range and I thought I was being bullish. I would agree that he has a top 10 upside, but he’s still about to be 25 and hasn’t even made it to AA ball yet. I really like him though and really want a speed demon in CF, so I hope you’re right.
I’m really not convinced that Dominguez will ever make anywhere enough contact to make it to the major leagues. I hope I’m wrong b/c if he figures things out he could be a star. But I’d really have to put Casilla, Stoffel (even as relievers,) J. Bucardo or Concepcion above him at this point.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 27, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So....
do you guys think AnVil’s career is ruined? Even though it sounds like he might not be guilty, it seems like the Dominican Republic is doing what they can not to let him come back to the US… When (if ever) will we get Angel back?
by thel33whosnotazn on Nov 24, 2009 2:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
his visa is revoked…
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Nov 24, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by the American government, isn’t it, not the DR? They don’t want him to flee; and maybe—I’ve seen it suggested—the DR doesn’t want him to flee either, till he buys his freedom by paying off officialdom as he had to buy off the either aggrieved or extortionist family of the dead man.
by campanari on Nov 24, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that’s what I mean by the Domincan Republic not letting him come back to the US, haha
by thel33whosnotazn on Nov 24, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really hard to tell at this point. The whole situation has been nothing but strange since the beginning. Even though he is out on bail, nobody really knows what is going to happen next.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 24, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
alright so I’m not the only one who has no idea what’s going to happen here…
by thel33whosnotazn on Nov 24, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet on…
By the time he is back in the states trying to play baseball again, he is too old, and too far removed to be considered a “prospect” of any sort.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 24, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Sabean will give him a 4/$60 contract
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Going out on a limb here...
An imaginary myopic limb…
1. Buster Posey
2. Madison Bumgarner
3. Wagner Mateo
4. Thomas Neal
5. Zack Wheeler
6. Brooks Kieschnick
7. Francisco Peguero
8. Rafael Rodriguez
9. Brandon Crawford
10. Thomas Joseph
Pray for a snow drift.
by BurkettandSwift on Nov 24, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure Brooks Kieschnick won’t ever join the Giants.
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 25, 2009 5:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Brooks would be happy to play for anybody at this point!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 25, 2009 6:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is really an even more than usual crapshoot this year, seems to me, because there are so many players that it’s really difficult to get any good read on at this point, particularly Villalona and Rafrod, but then also Wheeler and Joseph who haven’t really suited up yet. So with the caveat that this is totally uninformed, I’ll say:
1. Posey
2. Bumgarner
3. Wheeler
4. Neal
5. Joseph
6. Crawford
7. Kieschnick
8. Rafrod
9. Peguero
10. Villalona (if he gets back into the country in 2010)
10a. Nick Noonan (if not)
11. Jose Casilla
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 25, 2009 6:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
By the way, most recent Ask BA mailbox answers the question: should Tampa Bay have selected Buster Posey #1 instead of Tim Beckham. And BA’s answer: Yes, if they could do it again, Buster Posey should have been the #1 pick of that draft.
Back to back years of having probably the draft’s best impact player falling into our laps has got to turn into something special in a few years, no?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 25, 2009 6:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with BA, and thought so at the time of the draft. Even better, we might have gotten the player we needed: Justin Smoak.
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 25, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak has a good bat, but I still believe that Posey’s the better impact player overall by far. And I’m getting very excited about an all Golden-spike battery with Buster and Timmy. If just a couple of the complementary guys can come through and be complementary guys at the major league level, that’s a very good base. But it needs to happen fast because it’s hard to believe Lincecum’s still here after 2013.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 25, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum/Cain/Sanchez/Wilson/Sandoval/Posey is a pretty amazing young core. If only the veterans surrounding that core weren’t such a disaster.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So sad to think about.
If Sabean doesn’t get a LT Contract done I just can’t see the Giants competing with the multiple 200 million dollar offers Timmy will get in 2013.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 25, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger, what’s your take on Jason Stoffel?
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 25, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing our organization seems to produce nearly at will is live armed relievers. Stoffel seems like yet another. I wouldn’t be that surprised to see him move the way Runzler did last year and just chew up levels.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 25, 2009 6:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For bizarreness of position player development, the Giants seem to have a very simple plan for relievers. Strike motherfuckers out, get promoted.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 25, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Elementary, my dear Watson.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 25, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You prefer Casilla to Bucardo?
I’d like to believe in Peguero’s tools, but no plate discipline and no power in low A at age 21 is just a bridge too far. Noonan’s still ahead of him, I think. Probably Adrianza too.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a good father I probably should put Jorge in front of Casilla, and reports on their stuff is pretty hit and miss, but what I garnered is that Casilla’s velocity is a significant tick higher, and he’s always had a peripheral advantage on Bucardo, albeit with smaller IP totals becaused he’s constantly relieved rather than started. I think if they moved Casilla to SP they’d have a significant upside pitcher on their hands — better than Bucardo — but if they leave him as a RP, then Bucardo’s the better prospect.
My thinking with Peguero is that he’s the proverbial toolsy player whose power develops last. He’s had a strange American career, because they really threw him into the deep end of the pool sending straight from the DSL to the Sally. I don’t think that worked to his advantage (as he was not only demoted to the NWL, but then repeated the whole thing again in ‘09), but it does speak to how high the organization is on the player’s toolbox.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Nov 25, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As does adding him to the 40-man. But after all Burriss, Velez, etc., I don’t have a lot of faith in the organizational judgment there …
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
truth to tell…, but I’m also not with the Noonan really had a great year last year if you just look at it the right way bandwagon. Once you get past #2 or at best #5, our prospects are pretty crapshooty.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 25, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely, every single prospect except two have a asterisk next to their name.
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by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody has gillaspie on the list?
i know he had a crappy year, but i thought he picked it up in the second half, and it was his first full prof year, and to my knowledge, he is still on the 40-man. not that that means anything (bocock). i’m just surprised people have given up on him so quickly. It seems like just yesterday, that he and posey were duking it out in the CWS and being compared on the same plane.
by capn on Nov 25, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he and posey were duking it out in the CWS and being compared on the same plane.
Dude, what are you smoking?
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by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, maybe not the exact same plane, but he was a very highly regarded prosepect; most people projected him to go in the first round. Check out this nice summary posted by obsessive compulsive giants on draft day.
by capn on Nov 25, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI, OGC loves just about every move made by sabean
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by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe true…. i was not posting it for his opinion. i was more trying to make the point that Gillaspie was generally ranked very high when he was drafted. i mean he was the one called up in Sept of 08 and yes that was a gimmick, but the fact was that at the beginning of last season, i would bet he was all over these top ten lists and that now he is not. i am pretty surprised how far he fell. after all, he hit .296/.345/.413 in the second half. it was a disappointing season overall, but just one season (and yes i know that he should be hitting in the cal league)…
by capn on Nov 25, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by capn on Nov 25, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a highly regarded prospect out of college, but it’s a little hard to see why. He’s never been considered a good glove, and no one projected him to have significant power, so basically he needs to be an outstanding line-drive bat with plenty of walks in order to be a real player.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have any power
I still think he’s the best 3B in the Org but I don’t trust that Dominguez can play 3B
by Gobroks on Nov 25, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No love for Drew Biery?
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 26, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No I don't think he's a legit prospect
He’s probably 3rd on the depth chart behind Gillaspie and Dominguez
by Gobroks on Nov 27, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Giants Top Prospects
Are the guys that Steve S, Brute and Baron tell me should be the top prospects. They are, in fact, the boss of me.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 26, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 27, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My prospects of being on the Giants are ranked very low.
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by groug on Nov 26, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
1. Buster Posey
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3. Zach Wheeler
4. Thomas Neal
5. Rafael Rodriguez
6. Roger Kieschnick
7. Tommy Joseph
8. Dan Runzler
9. Brandon Crawford
10. Jason Stoffel
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