Offseason Fears, Vol. MCMVII
by Grant on Nov 23, 2009 11:18 AM PST
536 comments
I'm almost okay with the Giants acquiring another second baseman and moving Freddy Sanchez to third. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to pay a bunch of money for a player whose worth is completely intertwined with his ability to play a good defensive second base, but at least I wouldn't have to wince when 75% of the infield came up to the plate. The idea doesn't make a lick of sense, but I could file it under "acceptable silliness" if the team is improved as a result.
I'm almost okay with Aaron Rowand starting in center. Well, I'd better be okay with it, 'cause he's there for the next several decades, until we can draft Andrew McCutchen, Jr. Rowand's defense and offense are average. Rowand is a big ball of average. That's not just a gut feeling: FanGraphs ranked him third on their list of "Average-est Position Players of 2009." That's pretty danged average. It's easy to forget the month-long hot streaks that sustain Rowand, especially when he's in he middle of his "Imma gonna sit on a fastball in this 0-2 count and hit a home ru...slider?!?! Why, the nerve!" phases, but he does have stretches of competent hitting. Seriously. Look it up. Hopefully, he doesn't completely fall off an age-related cliff next year.
I'm almost okay with a short-term contract to an old timer. Johnny Damon wants something close to Bobby Abreu's deal -- two years, $19M. That's Edgar Renteria money! Who does Damon think he is? Still my biggest problem with the Zito and Rowand contracts wasn't the yearly amount; it was the length of the deals. A high-priced, short-term deal to Renteria is making a difference as to whom the Giants are pursuing this offseason, but at least it's over soon. While I hate the result, I still stand by the logic behind the Renteria signing. Damon, even with his noodle arm, would be a pretty good player for a team trying to win in the short-term, and he wouldn't be around long enough to affect long-term roster decisions.
I am not okay with Eugenio Velez starting. With Bengie Molina almost certain to go somewhere else, this is my new windmill. Velez in the starting lineup means that the Giants:
- do not care about past minor league performance
- truly have no idea what kind of offense is usually provided by a corner outfielder
- have proven the capacity to overreact to an unsustainable streak of 100 hot at-bats
- wouldn't know a legitimate building block if he streaked the front office
- are telling the world that it's more important to have a fast player lead off than it is to have a player with an acceptable on-base percentage
- really, truly have no idea just how bad Velez is against left-handed pitchers.
That last point is debatable, as Velez is usually mentioned in concert with Andres Torres, but Velez is so, so, so bad from the right side that he's barely capable of being on a major league roster. As a 25th man on a roster, he's useful. He's fast (though not an especially good baserunner), he has a little pop, and he offers positional flexibility.
As a leadoff hitter and starting corner outfielder, he's a debacle. He offends me as a fan of a team that knows they need to improve offensively. It's like being snowed in at a house with a broken heater and watching someone leave the fridge door open in an attempt to solve the problem. It's not going to make things that much worse, but it sure as hell isn't going to help.
No. Just no. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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does MCMVII = 109?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
sarcasm
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I would have gone with: DCLXVI
but that’s just me.
by Merope on Nov 23, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUDDING SUPERSTAR CORNERSTONE
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE MOST EXCITING PLAYER ON THE TEAM
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VVVVVRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Brandon Graham for President.
Pickles can definitely be the VP.
by beat_la_25 on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ALL HAIL THE PHARAOH
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 23, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HANSEL
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HES SO HOT
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose. I mean, if you are into that whole Abe Lincoln/Zorak look.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the Brak type.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brak > Zorak > Moltar
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"BLOOD DUMPSTER!"
Re: Rowand…
Hopefully, he doesn’t completely falls off any age-related cliff (available before)next year.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Nov 23, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not ok with Damon (if he’s getting Renteria money) OR Velez starting in LF next year.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+MCMLVII
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 23, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. You’re totally right. Why type random numbers when you can imbue them with deep, agonizing meaning?
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 23, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am ok with Rowand in center. For now. Cause as you say he is still average.
I really cannot stomach the idea of Johnny Damon on the Giants. He would be brought in as our power option, then Sabes would be surprised when his power numbers drop off the side of the Grand Canyon in our park. His knees are now bad that he would not be able to make great use of triples alley for the fly balls that are not caught.
The real problem is that outside of Holliday, all of the outfield options in the free agent market (CAUSE SMARTER PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TRADES) are loads of shit. It would be throwing too much money for maybe a marginal upgrade. While I cannot stand Velez starting in LF how much money are we willing to spend to rectify that.
Also of course the FA must want to come to our crappy city, with it’s smelly people, which Holliday obviously does not want, and Sabes knows this because Holliday did not even try to contact him or Bochy and beg to play there.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
While I cannot stand Velez starting in LF how much money are we willing to spend to rectify that.
Enough to sign Mike Cameron? Or how about none money? Bowker and Lewis.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Shit, +109. There are free alternatives better than Velez. How an actual, real-life, honest-to-god, built a World Series in the recent past, major-league GM doesn’t realize this just bottles my fucking mind.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*built a World Series team
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottles? Boggles my friend.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And there's one for me
Gotcha, my friend.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't call me buddy, pal
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 24, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't call me pal, guy
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 24, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't call me dude, man
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 24, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shut it man, and by the way, never call me man ever again, amigo
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not your amigo, partner.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 24, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you're not my partner, broseph
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't call dudes broseph, sport.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 25, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re definitely not a bro sport, you are a brah
by PiKAgiant on Nov 25, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While I cannot stand Velez starting in LF how much money are we willing to spend to rectify that.
The thing is, even if we don’t sign a single OF, Velez is the worst option of Lewis, Bowker, Schierholtz, Torres, Velez, so Grant’s points are still valid…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I would much rather have an outfield of Lewis-Rowand-Bowker/Nate in 2010.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Johnny Damon Idea
Is growing on me even though I was totally against it at first. I think it’s just the fact that he’s not Velez but I wouldn’t hate a lineup of:
Damon LF
Johnson 1B
Sanchez 2B
Sandoval 3B
Bowker/Nate/Lewis RF
Posey C
Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Granted we probably don’t have the money to sign both Damon and Johnson but leave me alone. It’s a long, cold and lonely winter.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis. To pass the time during the offseason I decided to try my hand at blogging about photography and music.
by j14 on Nov 23, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Damon justifications sound eerily similar to the Renteria justifications of a year ago.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 23, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sort of in the same boat except I still don’t like the Damon idea. Why pay Damon 10M/yr when you can get the same results + better defense for less money with someone like Coco Crisp.
For the record, I’m for starting Fred Lewis in LF but have accepted the fact that the brass will never let that happen.
by velvadp on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Crisp because a) he’d be cheap and b) he’d keep Zorak out of the lineup. Offensively, Coco’s not so great, but at least he’s pretty solid in the OF. And who knows? Maybe he’d even benefit a little bit by shifting to the NL.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
timmeh 3rd starter, AT BEST, on AL team.
by DrStankus on Nov 23, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon was actually a solid player last year though, unlike Rent the year before we signedh im
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am worried how much playing for the Yankees influenced that year.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it probably influenced his power, but he’s still been a 110+ OPS+ player 5 out of the last 6 years. I don’t think he’s gonna necessarily fall off a cliff next year or anything. And he gets on base!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about how most of MCC might be able to throw a baseball better than a Giants starting outfielder next year makes me want to laugh and throw up at the same time.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My gun was always fast but short…
go ahead.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this what futility tastes like?
Lucky Giants shorts from Target > Jobu
by AXmrdrir on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have the same feelings about this offseason…Velez status in the Giants plans is proof that the front office is incompetent.
by out machine on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Extending Boch and Sabes
is proof that the front office is incompetent.
There are so many ways to end a sentence with the phrase “is proof that the front office is incompetent.” =(
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Nov 23, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And many of them involve historical facts in the Giants organization.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man admits sending threatening letters to Giants coach over bogus sexual tryst
Never mind.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 23, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Taste the sad!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 23, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Get used to it for at least two more years.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/heard this in 2007
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Sabean
GM for life!
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 23, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a military coup is in order.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 23, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ glaces at a tree branch and wonder fondles a rope.
You don’t say?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 24, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Velez is our starting LF on Opening Day, I will be very displeased.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We keep saying this knowing full well he will be. Deep down, I think we are all just masochists
Lucky Giants shorts from Target > Jobu
by AXmrdrir on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve already admitted that I’m a masochist several times before.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Craigslist ads don’t count
Lucky Giants shorts from Target > Jobu
by AXmrdrir on Nov 23, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Masochist Chronicles
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was Lou Seal’s job
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 23, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the same team that started Aurilla at 1b in 2009.
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Nov 23, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DNW list
Dye
Damon
LaRoche
Abreu
Bay
But that’s operating under the unsafe assumptions that Sabean won’t go after DH’s like Sheff, Vlad and Godzilla.
I’m scarred :’(
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Nov 23, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think we are safe here
if there is one thing Sabean doesn’t overvalue, it’s high-walk sluggers who cannot play defense.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the MLBTraderumors note about Dye being asked about playing 1B (he’s ok with it, btw), and the implicit connection to the Giants? Two words: Yi - ikes!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at least we don’t know how bad he’ll be at 1B. he’s a terrible outfielder. sometimes with the giants i take solace in what i dont know. we know rowand is average and bochy is going to play the wrong guys and bengie is gonna hack at slop. MAYBE dye won’t suck at 1B. blegh.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
by jasomack on Nov 23, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
given what a stiffy Sabes gets for slick fielding 1Bmen, I have a hard time seeing it.
by DrStankus on Nov 23, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All you Negative Nancys will see
Holliday and Johnson to an average offense and then the awesome pitching staff of doom will dominate and world series here we come!
See, this roster building is easy.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How dare you! I am a Doubting Thomas!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabes can read minds, he knows Holliday would never play in our limp-wristed park!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Holliday is a V, and Sabes is trying to save us all
Lucky Giants shorts from Target > Jobu
by AXmrdrir on Nov 23, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we care if some crazy, martial arts trained, torture victim blows up the British Parliament?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky Giants shorts from Target > Jobu
by AXmrdrir on Nov 23, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, thanks for clearing that up!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
instead of clicking that link,
I am going to choose to interpret your reply as a sincere, and heartfelt statement of gratitude….
….in which case, you are welcome sir.
Lucky Giants shorts from Target > Jobu
by AXmrdrir on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he knows.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FAST BLACK ABE LINCOLN STARTING LEFT FIELDER
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Now I’m wondering: when was the last time we had a opening day left fielder who was white? The last several:
Fred Lewis
Dave Roberts
Pedro Feliz
Barry Bonds
Mike Felder
Kevin Mitchell before that, I think!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
’88-Mike Aldrete
Fred Lewis-09
Dave Roberts-08
Pedro Feliz-05
Barry Bonds- 93-04, 06-07
Mike Felder- 92
Mitchell- 89-91
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh dang.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last white dude put up a 257/367/329
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And is one of my favorite non-elite Giants!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The last white dude to start 2+ seasons for the giants in LF?
Ken Henderson from 70-72
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KEN HENDERSON IZ WHITE!?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he was. Perhaps he’s currently undergoing reverse-Sosa treatments.
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought he was Japanese
Ken Hender-san
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, thank you Baseball-Reference!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SFG/opening.shtml
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ah man! that’s a lot easier than just going through each year.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VROOM?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 28, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
before Mitchell:
Leonard
Herndon
Whitfield
So I think it was Darrel Evans in 1977.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chili started ’82
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of replacing Velez in left with a free agent. But can Bowker or Fred play right field adequately? Both seem best suited for left. I wouldn’t mind the Giants signing a rightfielder and playing Velez in left until he flops (which he should). But of course, there are few outfield options this year who can play right field in our park.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mike Cameron
He can certainly play right field in AT&T. Then Bowker or Lewis plays left.
by taliesin on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He seems like the best solution.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He reportedly doesn’t want to sign with a team that will move him to a corner. I say we move Scott Rowand to a corner.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“You’re in a timeout, mister! Once you learn how to take the slider low-and-away, you can come out!”
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 23, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO ONE PUTS SCOTT IN THE CORNER
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 23, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not, he already has the proper batting stance for it =P
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Nov 23, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to frame it as a positive.
The corners have twice as many walls to run into.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 23, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t want to be the one to make the Dirty Dancing joke.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 24, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that would make the most sense defensively anyway… Nate in right, Cameron in center, Scott in left might actually be pretty damn good.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 23, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, I have questions about Bowker and Lewis (especially Lewis) in RF, but even if they don’t play it well, they’re still better players in RF than Velez is in LF…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But I’m thinking (hoping) that Velez flops early and Bowker or Fred can take over in left.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough – all we need is one bad 100 PA stretch for Velez (which is pretty likely) for the Giants to finally sour on him, right…?
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong.
You’re wrong.
You’re wrong.
You’re wrooooooooooonnnnnnnnng.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
And not yay for the Bobean stiffy for Velez.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 5:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this is interesting about Dye
From MLB Trade Rumors:
Free agent Jermaine Dye is open to playing first base, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Dye’s played one game at the position in ’05, but teams are asking anyway. He played four games at first in Triple A back in ’98.
The FOX writers speculate that Dye could make sense at first base for the Braves, Mets, Giants, and Orioles. Getting Dye out of right field would certainly improve his value. He’s been quite bad for at least four years, and that’s a sample of nearly 5,000 innings.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 23, 2009 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Moving to first base = more valuable!!!!!!
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More lineup fun
1) Eugenio Velez LF
2) Freddy Sanchez 2B
3) Pablo Sandoval 3B
4) Jermaine Dye 1B
5) Bengie Molina C
6) Aaron Rownd CF
7) Andres Torres RF
8) Edgar Renteria SS
WE WILL WIN WS!!!!
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That does make it easier to take bathroom breaks.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Things will certainly be fun on McCoven during game day threads.
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by SFGuy on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not bad
I mean except for Velez, Molina, Torres and Renteria.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And having a cleanup hitter who’s been sub-replacement two of the last three years?
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Of His Outfield Defense Not His Bat
We do not know what kind of defensive 1B he would be. That siad, I have strong doubts that this makes any sense.
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but he was, for example, a worse hitter than Garko in 2007 and not that much better in 2009.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So its progress then, in 2009 it was “that’s not bad, except for everyone but Panda.”
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by Tellias on Nov 23, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just vomited in my own mouth.
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by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
velez
torres
sandoval
uribe
sanchez
rowand
renteria
molina
pitcher
by KENN on Nov 25, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Isn’t defense less valuable at 1B than in RF?
Bill James has Dye at .261/.333/.480 next year. That’s not bad, but his defense is awful. Why not move him to a position where defense is less valuable?
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by GiantPain on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First, 1B is even less of a premium position than corner OF.
Second, there’s no guarantee he’d be any better defensively at 1B. He’s never played there before, plus check out Adam Dunn’s UZR/150 at 1B compared to LF. SSS, but he’s cost almost as many runs at 1B as LF.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
An .813 OPS from a first baseman is pretty shitty. And he’s been worse than that two of the last three years.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
CHONE is at .257/.332/.461
My question is this: If you had Jermaine Dye, would you rather play him in RF or at 1B?
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of these questions like would you rather die in a hot air balloon accident or by repeated stabbing. I don’t want either!
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and you know that no matter which one you choose, you’re just going to wind up getting repeatedly stabbed in a hot air balloon.
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by neurofarm on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aurillia/Roberts winery?
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by bgunn on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read this and immediately penciled Dye in as our opening day starter at 1B. 2 years 17 mil. Take it to the bank.
/sobs
by DFAAurillia on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
suddenly signing Dye isn’t the worst idea ever. Probably not the best idea either, but its less terrible now than it was before.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
still pretty awful, dude can’t hit enough for 1B
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by jponry on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh I’m not really for it, but its better than watching him play left every day.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 23, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you ever want to vomit
Check out Dye’s second half this year:
.179 / .293 / .297, struck out almost 20% of the time.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KDYE
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 words
DING ERZ
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by jponry on Nov 23, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Frederick Deshaun in the same period
.277 / .388 / .398. He did strike out 2% more often, though.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND ALL OF THOSE WERE IN CLUTCH SITUATIONS
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by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you forget the most important stat
BTPA (Being the Problem Average): .430
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you want to evaluate the same way sabean does, don’t bother with the OPS, just post avg/rbi/hrs because those are the stats that matter!
by snafu on Nov 23, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and all star appearances
Jermaine Dye, TWO TIME ALL STAR!
by DrStankus on Nov 23, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god he never won a batting title!
(He never won a batting title, right?!?!??!)
Thing C
by markdash on Nov 24, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/scoops up a ball in the dirt that bounces and hits him in the face
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by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/like Scott, plays through the injury, though rendered blind by it
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 23, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am missing part of a tooth because of this.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 23, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s easy to forget the month-long hot streaks that sustain Rowand, especially when he’s in he middle of his “Imma gonna sit on a fastball in this 0-2 count and hit a home ru…slider?!?! Why, the nerve!” phases,
couldn’t stop laughing after reading that
by NateEveryday on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Cameron in LF
That is if he’ll switch to LF because Rowand is dead set in CF. Yes, he’s quite ancient in baseball years but he just keep putting up 20+ HR seasons, 70+ RBI with a .340 career OB{ and is considered a good fielding outfielder. In fact if he wasn’t this old, the Giants would have little chance landing him.
And of course if he’s in left, there’s no chance Velez would be there or at 2nd or anywhere but a late inning pinch runner. I think adding both Uggla and Cameron are realistic moves that will help the offense become average!
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather see Cameron play RF, actually. His D would be great there.
by tyrannoman on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That'll work too
Maybe resign Uribe and trade for Uggla then UPGRADE! Although LF will still be undecided between Bowker, Lewis, Garko and Schierholtz. Power-wise I like Garko and Bowker, OBP-wise I like Lewis and Nate has the best arm out of the 4. If only they can morph all 4 into one super outfielder.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Nov 23, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Operation Housecat and Operation Panda worked out pretty well.
Get to work, Neukom!
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 23, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am like a cat. I always end up on all fours… like a cat.
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by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign a Mike Cameron, trade for a Dan Uggla
Mike Cameron – LF
Freddy Sanchez – 3b
Dan Uggla – 2b
Pablo Sandoval – 1b
Aaron Rowand – CF
Buster Posey – C
Nate Schierholtz – FR
Edgar Renteria – SS
Tim Lincecum – SP
Opening day lineup in two easy steps.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 23, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow
way to take a marginally value F. Sanchez and turn him into a replacement player.
And I guess this will work if you traded Cain or J. Sanchez for Uggla. Or do you think they are going to take Fred Lewis?
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think Sanchez loses value going to 3B?
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
average replacement level hitter at 3B > 2B (although gap very close in 2009).
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And 3b and 2b are virtually identical in defensive value, if you buy the Tango positional adjustments.
by Evan on Nov 23, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so...
the only reason that it makes sense is if:
1) Sanchez is a much better (say +10) fielding 3B than he is a 2B.
2) We can find a 2B that hits like an average 1B, and fields no worse than Panda does at 3B.
In short, the smart thing to do is keep Sandoval at 3B and GET A FREAKIN’ FIRST BASEMAN THAT CAN FREAKIN’ HIT LIKE ONE.
But I have been saying that last part since about 1994.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure I follow, though. If the positional adjustment is equal at 2B/3B (which is what I’ve been told by smart people)…and we assume he hits the same, then the only difference in his value is the difference in his defense, right?
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The positional adjustment is a defensive measurement. What it’s saying is that the same player tends to score about as well as a fielder whether he’s playing second or third.
Freddy might be an exception (his UZR from when he used to play third is superb), but probably he’ll prove to be no better as a third baseman than as a second baseman. And since 3b as a group are 6-8 runs/season better with the bat than 2b, his value will drop.
by Evan on Nov 23, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This has been something that’s confused me – Fangraphs WAR treats offense compared to the league average, not compared to the positional average, so valuing Sanchez using Fangraphs method, where does the loss of value occur? Theoretically it seems to me offense should be compared to their position if defense is, I assumed positional adjustment captures both of those, but apparently it doesn’t….so…I guess that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me? Basically, just using Fangraphs method, his WAR will stay the same if his defensive value stays the same, so where does the loss of value come from?
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh. Maybe the replacement level is set at a different point?
Or maybe they’re systematically overrating second basemen.
by Evan on Nov 23, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you put put Sanchez at 2B, and sign an average 3B, you will have Sanchez + a .765 OPS.
If you put Sanchez at 3B, and sign an average 2B, you will have Sanchez + a .750 OPS.
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by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any reason to think the new trend that started last year (2B = 3B offensively) is going to stick? I’m still confused why defense is looked at relative to your position, while offense is not.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3B are still hitting better than 2B.
Studies have shown that 2B might not be harder to play than 3B. So, from a pure talent point of view, threre is no difference between a .750 OPS at 2B and a .750 OPS at 3B. Assuming average defense at both positions, Sanchez won’t become a lesser player if we move him to 3B.
But the average 3B does hit better than the average 2B. So if your option is signing an average 3B or an average 2B, you should sign an average 3B. By moving Sanchez to 3B, you’re forcing yourself to get a 2B instead of a 3B, and that costs you 15 points of OPS. So, from that point of view, Sanchez is a bit more valuable at 2B.
Fangraph’s method ignores offensive trends and focuses on true talent (2B isn’t harder than 3B, so there’s no reason to penalize 3B for being better hitters). The BP method is to adjust to the offensive trends (a good hitting 2B is harder to find than a good hitting 3B, which makes the 2B more valuable). It overrates 2B from a true talent point of view, but you could make the case that it gives you a more realistic estimation of value.
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by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BP’s thing seems to be more logical, as the whole point of WAR is to estimate the players value to the team. If his peers are better, to provide an equal amount of value, he must be better…
I’m pretty sure I read offensively 2B basically = 3B this last season…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2B may not be harder han 2B.
But that doesn’t mean that players can be transferred between the positions without effect uon their defensive value. All the positional adjustment mean is that the abilities required to play average defense at the two positions are equally rare, not that the two positions require identical skill sets.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 23, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t they calculate them by looking at how players who play both do, though? Meaning on average, players transferring will have the same defensive value, though obviously they do require slightly different skills so there’s reason to believe most players won’t be neutral in this regard, but again, on the whole, the average is the same. That’s my impression, at least.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they derive from from offensive stats
but cross check/ adjust them with players who switch IF → IF and OF → OF. There are not many who switch IF→OF, and 1B/C are obviously special
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at The Book’s thread and Fangraphs glossary, it’s all defensive based…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's impossible to do this.
there simply is not enough data.
Read the “The Book” threads linked below
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly what I was reading. Unless I can’t read, the threads are entirely about comparison defense from players who played both positions?
For the OF, this is no sweat, since the skill set involved in all three positions is very similar. From 2003-07 (that’s 5 years of data), I’ve got 7523 matching games for LF/RF. For example, take Geoff Jenkins: he has 351 games in LF and 280 in RF. I count that as 280 "matching games" (the minimum of the two).
Games, by the way, is basically based on number of flyballs hit to the player divided by the league average number per game.
Do this for the 300 players that played both positions. Add it up, and you have 7523 games. The UZR for those guys, while in LF, was +0.7 runs. And those exact same players, while in RF, was +0.1 runs…
That’s exactly how they derived the positional adjustments – using players who played multiple positions and comparing how they did at each position. I don’t think I’m reading this wrong?
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 6:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. The number of games is actually pretty huge.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true.
Then the data is inherently selection biased to “weed out” players who would never be given the chance to switch positions based on tools (for instance, no 2B with a weak arm will have meaningful number of games at 3B, nor would a statuesque 3B like Sandoval or Glaus be given the opportunity to play 2B). Furthermore, you’d have to figure a way to weed out player who are moving down the spectrum due to a legitimate drop in their abilities (either due to age or decline, both of which occur in the 5 year window of data in the example of Jenkins). The “matched sets” would all have to come from the same player in the same season to minimize any inherent error, I’m not sure they did that based on the blurb you qouted.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t quote the whole thing, but if you read the full article my understanding is the matched sets do come from the same season, so i don’t see any issues with bias.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and they also noted that “arm”, at least for OF’ers, was not included in their calculations.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is only
for comparing LF/RF and 2B/3B/SS
it is NOT true for C or 1B. Not sure about CF… it’s confusing. Some places they say it’s about the same as LF/RF (huh?) other places it’s 0.5 wins or 5 runs harder.
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by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they said CF is 10-12 runs harder…I guess it is confusing!
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always wondered this about those studies. Guys who play both 2B and 3B may be a very distinctive group. In general, if you’ve got the range for second and the arm for third, why the fuck aren’t you playing shortstop?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because of Derek Jeter.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 23, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. This is why I want to sign Chone Figgins and have him play shortstop.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But
His career UZR at 2B is -8.5 per 150 games. Not alot of innings, but still.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Careerwise, he’s got a -8.5 at second, a -7.7 at shortstop, and a +8 at third base. But he has five times as many innings at third as at the other two positions combined. Add that all together and apply the standard shift from 3B/2B to short of -5 runs and you’re basically looking at an average defensive shortstop.
And this does not take into account that he seems to be getting better. Over the last two years, which is really the first time he’s had a full-time position, he’s been about +16.5 at third base.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone’s going to pay Figgins way more money than they should. I want no part of Figgins for the Giants.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You want no part of a decent defensive shortstop with a .375 OBP and great baserunning. Fair enough.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want the talent, obviously – I think he’s going to be overvalued in the market, though, and I want no part of that. He’s 32, coming off a career year, and I’m just seeing him paid like that year was completely for real. Sure, he got his BB% rate up, a very good thing…but still, he posted a .319 wOBA the year before….I think someone’s going to make a Rowand-esque mistake on Figgins (though not quite on the same scale as Rowand).
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s only had an OBP of .375 twice in his career over a full season and there is not yet any data to suggest he’s a decent defensive shortstop. You can take the stats if you want, but that doesn’t reflect the fact that the positions are actually different and require different skills (see the above discussion about second-basemen and third-basemen not being equally talented, but instead equally rare). Yes, he’s a good base-runner and gets on base, but his chief skill is going to erode quickly and there’s a high probability that his contract will be an albatross before it’s over. Pass.
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by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve done this a few times already, so I’ll bullet-point my argument:
- people overstate the importance of year-to-year fluctuations in performance
- people overstate the importance of anything that happened more than three years ago
- people understate the portability of defensive skills from one position to another
- Figgins has a skill set that tends to age well
- Figgins has a skill set that suits our park well
- Figgins has a skill set that complements our current roster well
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The better question is this, Evan:
What’s the most you’d be willing to pay for Figgins? I think we all agree in principle that we would like him, we just all have difference prices that would be acceptable…
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This. There is no way I’d give him a contract of more than three years for more than ten a year. No way.
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by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4/40. I could maybe be talked into 4/44. Depends on how much money is available, of course.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 5:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if Figgins
can really be a league-average fielding SS, then he would probably be an awesome pick up – even at 4/48. He’s probably a 5 WAR player at SS.
I think that might be stretching the defensive spectrum a bit though.
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by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Positional Adjustment For SS Just Half A Win Above 3B
Do you really think he would not lose this defensively at SS compared to 3B? Seems to me he should be the same WAR player at either position.
by giantsrainman on Nov 24, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand...
He’d be replacing Renteria instead of our firstbasemen (whoever that ends up being), so the actual impact on the team should be greater whether the positions switch adds any value or not.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4/$48 is definitely a lot more than I’d pay for Figgins. He’s only gone above 3.2 WAR once in his career, obviously more recent performance = more important, but given his age, his below average production as recently as last year….just too many questions for me. I might offer him something more along the lines of 3/$30, I might go a little higher, but probably not 4 years or $12M+ a year…
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
consure
3 years/$33M is probably the hard cap for me.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that should be "concur"
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Wouldn't Go Above 3yrs/$25M
I just don’t see him truely being a $10M/yr player.
by giantsrainman on Nov 24, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Are you expecting a big age related dropoff, or do you think last year was a huge fluke? All he really has to do is be a 2 WAR player, on average, over the next 3 years to be worth your contract, which he’s been well above the last 3 years (even with a down year last year). Essentially one more year like the one he just has puts him at that, alone. So, why are you thinking that low?
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The Giants need to shop for bargins that have a good shot ot deliver significabntly more value the contract they sign for pays them. If Figgins prices drops to such a level then by all means sign him otherwise pass as there will be such bargins available.
by giantsrainman on Nov 24, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s been worth about that much for 5 of his 8 major league seasons (5 of 6 if you throw out his partial rookie and sophomore campaigns). And last season he was worth more than twice that much.
But then, I’m not particularly averse to signing a player who is worth 7Mor 8M a season to a 10M salary. the WAR dollar numbers are approximations, the FA market is so limited that no large sample size average is going to apply well to individual circumstances. The danger isn’t so much in guys who fall a bit short of their salaries (though they can certainly add up if you have enough) it’s in the guys who don’t even come close.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure it would work, just as I’m pretty sure Pedro Feliz would have been a plus shortstop. But I’m quite sure no one’s going to actually try it.
by Evan on Nov 25, 2009 5:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus
really, his high OBP have been inflated by a high BA, and therefore, high BABIP. he has shown the ability to take a walk only recently.
by sfoakbay on Nov 24, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His BABIP was only 14 points above his career average, and he’s been very patient for a few years now.
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by Cookyman on Nov 25, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s my take. The positional adjustments that Tango et al. developed were intended to give a real-world value to the position that a player fields. Those adjustments resulted in a disagreement with the conventional wisdom that second basemen are better and more rare fielders, and therefore their offense can be judged by a lower standard than that of third basemen.
So the Fangraphs WAR numbers reflect the true value of playing second base—but they don’t reflect the value of players as they are actually deployed in the game today. In other words, they are systematically overrating second basemen.
I do think that the offensive levels of the two positions will draw closer together, precisely because the new defensive measurements show that second basemen aren’t carrying their weight. Kelly Johnson and Skip Schumaker indicate that some teams are now willing to experiment with moving players from “easier” positions to second base. Dustin Ackley may be making the same move.
by Evan on Nov 23, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, thanks for talking it out, that makes me think Fangraphs really needs to change their WAR methodology – it just doesn’t make sense not to compare offense across positions. I feel that their version of WAR maybe overrate 2B and underrate CF (and possibly SS), then…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what? There’s no way Fangraphs overrates 2B. They’re holding them to the same offensive standards as 3B. They basically treat 2B as a neutral position, not a defense-first one. They’re harsher on 2B than BP.
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by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2009 5:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, I got it backwards. I think the best way to state it is that the positional adjustments reflect the “true” relative value of the positions, but in the real world, a 2b who hits .290/.330/.420 is more valuable than a 3b with the same line.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What it really means is that teams should consider moving their 3B prospects to 2B.
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by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gillaspie?
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by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they got Sandoval there, then what’s the deal with Gillaspie? he’s how long away? 2 or 3 years?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Him too. Though Rohlinger seems to be more of a glove man.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But right now everybody’s down on Gillaspie because he’s a poor defensive 3B without much power. Move him to 2B and he’s Denker with better contact skills. Nothing great, but still a solid prospect.
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by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
intriguingly
from fangraphs:
Positional
- Positional Adjustment set at
+12.5 for C,
+7.5 for SS,
+2.5 for 2B/3B/CF,
-7.5 for RF/LF,
-12.5 for 1B,
-17.5 for DH
So, you are correct – his WAR would not change if he had the same UZR value at 3B and 2B.
An interesting discussion on this: But I am not sure of the conclusion.
What I think TT is saying is that if the fielding difficulty is the same, then the fact that 3B out hit 2B is just inefficiency.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm where my link go
I think Evan has a better handle on this than I do. Probably the differences in 2B/3B are small compared to “what options are actually available to a given team”.
If you have Sandoval, Sanchez, Garkawa, to play 3B/2B/1B and you have the $ to replace one, you should obviously replace Garkawa. But lets say that your choices are “Adrian Beltre or stand pat” (a simplification, obv.). Is Beltre worth it? He obviously pushes Sandoval to 3B, and probably provides + on 3B defense relative to Sandoval. Does Sandoval improve 1B defense over Garko? (we can still keep Ishikawa on the bench) Probably by a little. Does Beltre improve the OFFENSE over Garko? CHONE has Beltre projected at +1 R/150 and Garko at +8. I doubt that the defensive gain is 7 whole runs.
If you just skip to the bottom… you can see the answer:
Nick Johnson.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, that’s what I needed to read. So basically the value of moving a player between 2nd and 3rd doesn’t change, but your options to fill that spot, in terms of WAR, change. On average, available players to fill 3B should have higher WAR’s than available players to fill 2B (because they’re better hitters so they get more hitting runs). Sanchez doesn’t lose value, moving from 2B to 3B, per se, but our options for filling 2B likely dwindle.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's hard to say...
I am going to recant my statement that moving Sanchez to 3B makes him a replacement player… it’s however very stupid when the effect is to move Sandoval from 3B→1B.
What I think the upshot of Tango Tiger (and others) research is that what you SHOULD do is NEVER sign a 2B (who hits like an average 2B), but rather sign average hitting 3B and make them play 2B! (at least until the offense equilibrates – then it doesn’t matter)
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s how I take it too. But also consider the huge positional adjustment from third to first: 15 runs. What that’s telling us is that an average-fielding third baseman will generally become a +15 first baseman. Since the offensive difference between first and third is 10-12 runs, you might well come out ahead by moving Pablo (or any 3B) to first.
by Evan on Nov 23, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's correct
you generally cannot be a +15 run 1B. The best 1B in the majors last year was +5. The year before that +10. 2007 had Pujols at +16, but 2006, the best was +6.4
I think the majority of the fangraphs positional adjustments is based NOT on players switching positions. I think it’s SUPPORTED by 2B <→ 3B moves not resulting in a significant change… But for example – you wouldn’t say that a RF → C results in -20 runs… there’s no player switching data to base that on.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the final thread baetown posted undermines what I just said. At first base and catcher, he’s just kind of making up the positional adjustments.
by Evan on Nov 23, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he does mention
OF → 1B conversions tend to gain 5 runs on defense, and I expect 3B would be similar.
And Pablo (SSS alert!) is -6.4 at 3B and -0.5 at 1B per UZR/150 in 2009… more like +10 diff over his career… but I would say +5 runs on defense seems about right.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but why then is 15 runs the difference in the “official” positional adjustments? The handedness thing doesn’t get you all the way there.
by Evan on Nov 23, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because of the relative average offensive level
i.e, based on scarcity.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Relative average offensive level” and “scarcity” are two different things, and I think they’re both meaningless in this context.
Average offensive level at first is goosed by the fact that there are a bunch of great sluggers at the positions, but that doesn’t change the value of the position.
The scarcity argument has to do with the huge pool of players available to play first, from Garko and Josh Phelps to Scott McClain or Rich Aurilia or Jesus Guzman. But you could also put all those players at third. (I’m omitting left-handers, which maybe is a mistake, but whatever.) Hell, you could put them at shortstop if you wanted to. What we need to figure out is how many runs (relative to the peer group at the position) you’re going to gain or lose on defense by doing so. That allows you to calculate the relative worth of the bat.
So it looks to me like the position penalty for first base is too high.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no they are related
if you assume on the “spectrum” going harder to easier:
C > SS > 2B = 3B = CF > LF/RF > 1B
The pool of players that “can” play 1B is essentially “all” players. The pool that can play C is the smallest.
Hence “relative offensive level” and “scarcity” SHOULD be correlated, unless the system is out of equilibrium. I think it’s suggested that 2B/3B is OUT of equilibirium (most 3B can play equally well at 2B despite being able to out hit them)
We cannot do the experiment of moving Garko to SS to see how many runs it would cost. There are selection biases throughout.
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by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still question the whole CF = 2B/3B thing. Intuitively I would have guessed CF was clearly a notch better than those two…
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
very tricky
because how many guys play 2B and CF?
If you go by offense (as a proxy for scarcity – CF hit about the same as 2B or 3B last year)
Velez! (if you want to amuse yourself with small sample sizes, you can look at his UZRs on fangraphs)
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by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you assume the system is in equilibrium if the 2b/3b thing shows that it isn’t?
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering this myself.
I guess I would like to see a graph over time (say 15-20 years) of relative average offensive value by position.
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by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly what I tried to say.
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by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2009 5:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just got confused and needed to sort things out. Trying to remember everything I’ve learned si a daunting task, at times… :)
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 6:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, these things can get confusing.
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by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Read the comments too people...
Here’s the original positional adjustments thread
Here’s the update
And here’s why people use positional adjustments
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
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by baetown415 on Nov 23, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you badmouth Todd Benzinger!
by tyrannoman on Nov 23, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by daveinexile on Nov 23, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if Cameron is a leadoff type of guy..
That said, he would probably lead of on that team. I would probably switch Pablo and Uggla at 1st.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This lineup is amusing given your sig.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
My sig is in relation to Nick Johnson. I would prefer Uggla to Garko, and Garko to NJ.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you have against New Jersey?
by tyrannoman on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that is compared to Philly! Compared to SF it is hell.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct, other Philly resident!
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Also known as, sucker.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well then stop having sex in New Jersey!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My half-hearted defense of New Jersey since I don't even like it there myself
Like most places, some of New Jersey is pretty shitty and most of it is just dull/average. A few places are even quite nice.
The worst parts of Jersey, though, are the ones closest to NYC and Philadelphia, so.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The issue with NJ is that its nice/bad ratio is way to far to the bad side.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. In my experience (and I lived there for several years), the great bulk of the state is really just bland suburbia.
But like I said, I hated living there myself.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What pisses me off most are the beaches. The “Jersey Shore” is talked up so much that you think its the entrance to heaven. Its just crap!
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jersey Shore is a toilet, yes.
Well, Cape May can be pretty nice. But generally, yeah.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cape May-Nice (not as nice as cape cod and other NE coastal places)
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a huge fan of the Atlantic coast in general. Give me the Pacific any day.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You just gotta get farther down south. I like OBX and Myrtle…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’ve been to several beaches in Florida.
My favorite piece of coastline: Lands End. There’s really nothing quite like that on the east coast.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the UK?
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In San Francisco
North of Cliff House, by the Palace of the Legion of Honor.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here: http://www.parksconservancy.org/visit/park-sites/lands-end.html
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite coastal spot in the UK was St. David’s Head, the westernmost point in Wales. Very rocky and SF-like in many ways.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite Euro coast is Mt St Michaels
PS. the beach in Nice is really crappy.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
St. Davids
Taken with a digital camera from the 90s, so the quality isn’t great, but oh well:
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DAMMIT NARROW VIEW
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Welsh coast is gorgeous. Rainy though!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, is that just west of the golf course?
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. You part at the Palace and walk through the golf course to get to the trails.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks cool based on the wikipedia picture – more like the Pacific. It is true that the Least Coast doesn’t measure up, but I think there are some decent places throughout the South (I’m a big fan of the South in general)…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty meh about the south. The climate kills me. Plus I don’t like grits, sweet tea, or Waffle House, which in the south makes me an incredible weirdo.
Which is a problem since I’m moving there.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
service industry in the south worse than any place in the world.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My fiance has to deal with the University of Alabama-Birmingham (they are the lead on some studies) She says on conference calls the ladies from Alabama will spend 10 minutes discussing recipes and children and whatever. She also said on one on one calls they are rather racist. Saying “I just don’t know where they get their names” about a Native Indian (India) that works with my fiance.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The humidity sucks, sure, but pretty much everything about the South is awesome. I’d take the bad summer over most other places so the winter was nice (especially somewhere like Philly). In general though, I really like the people, and enjoy the same type of stuff they do. I could care less about Nascar but I went to the Richmond race and had the greatest time ever. I love college football, and any events in general that involve a good tailgate (especially one that isn’t in the cold). They know how to party properly. Plus, while I’m not a fan of grits or WoHo, either, Southern BBQ is great. Plus, people are friendly. It’s good stuff.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The people are friendly, but a little too gregarious for my taste. This was also true when we were in Chicago – I never stopped being weirded out by the fact that it was normal for absolute strangers to just start chattering away with you for no particular reason.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly is the opposite. SF is just right.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The formality of the south is also a little weird for me. My sister went to middle school & high school in Tallahassee, and you would get in trouble for ever addressing an adult without saying “sir” or “ma’am.” And I know some people like that, but I am a Californian through and through and it weirds me out.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It took me a while to get used to that in Texas. People just trying to get to know you in the 10 seconds you spend in an elevator, or the 3 minutes in line for a movie ticket. The first few months I gave them a look like “What do you want out of me? What are you selling?”
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When my parents first moved to Tallahassee
Their neighbors came to greet them, made small talk, and then, after a few minutes, looked them up and down and said, “So…you are church-going folk, aren’t you?”
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another good thing about the South!
Nice quiet Sunday mornings. The neighborhoods are quiet and the breakfast joints aren’t busy until later.
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by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In general, I like the friendliness and laidback pace of life in the South. At least for a few days while I’m on vacation. It would probably be different if I was raised or lived there, though.
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by esseffgeez on Nov 23, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you moving?
Officially disinterested in any outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
by Lyle on Nov 23, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same town. Tallahassee.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, I’m not so much like that either, and I’ve spent all my time in the “progressive south” as I call it – the more northern states like Virginia/NC….
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Plus I don’t like grits, sweet tea, or Waffle House"
FINE! SHUT THE WORLD OUT!
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my experience with NJ. I was in the Edison/New Brunswick/Freehold area, so my memory is not of beaches or crushing ghettos, but of overwhelming Meh.
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by rotorueter on Nov 23, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY!
I lived in Highland Park for, um, like 5 years. If you don’t know it’s that uninteresting town between New Brunswick and Edison.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, that’s basically where Rutgers is, which we drove past.
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by rotorueter on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right across the river, yeah.
My mother taught at Rutgers for a number of years.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And, for the record, that river is filthy and polluted and nasty, so it lives up to Jersey’s reputation.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my experience (and I flew over it once) you are correct. Either suburbs, or clouds. I don’t know how they stand it.
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by Ott on Nov 23, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The issue with New Jersey is it’s filled with New Jersians. Oh, and you can’t make left turns. That really bothers me.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is self-service gasoline still illegal there? It used to be.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JCB, I have a New Jersey question
Why do the women there all have huge hair?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s cause they’re Italian or Jewish…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I can tell you that my mother’s hair got really frizzy when we moved there, because of the humidity!
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah that bothers the shit out of me too.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got to pump my own gas on the Turnpike this summer. I was very surprised by that. Also, I used to live in Middletown (one of the Tri-Towns at the north end of the Shore), which is very nice, but bland. Meh.
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by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got yelled at one time for trying to pump my own gas. Nobody was pumping it for me so it’s like….wtf.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And do you tip??? I never know!
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by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 6:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, never have, never would. Nobody I’ve ever asked tips, most people think it’s crazy. Of course, I’m not big on tipping in general – I feel it’s supposed to be an incentive to give good service, and most situations simply do not call for it. For instance, I do not tip if I pick up a “to go” order from a restaurant, because really, what are they doing different from the person who takes your fast food order? We’re not expected to tip them…
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
People tip for to go orders?
I consider myself a generous tipper, but I’ve never even thought of doing that.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. What bothers me most is people who tip at coffee shops or ice cream shops. Wtf is that, seriously. I like to tip well in situations I think tipping is appropriate (like at a restaurant)…but in general I think there just aren’t very many situations where tipping is necessary.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My advice: don't go to Europe.
They’d tip a policeman for writing them a speeding ticket.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what? Europeans are notoriously terrible tippers.
I occasionally tip the counterpeople at places I go to regularly.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why? I don’t understand what you’re tipping for?
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any real difference in the service you get from these people, though? At a restaurant there can be a huge difference between good and bad service, you know? So I tip to reward and appreciate the good service, but is there really a difference between good and bad service from these counterpeople? All they do is write down your order, and maybe prepare it, but if its like coffee or something…I mean come on, all they’re doing is filling a cup with coffee, anyone can do it, and it’s always going to be the same.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not so much about rewarding them for some special service as recognizing that in certain fields, labor costs aren’t fully built into the price of things. You tip waiters and taxi drivers not because they’ve done a spectacular job but because everyone tips them, therefore the wages they get from their employers are crap, therefore the price of the meal or the ride is artificially low. Something like that is in effect in coffeeshops, lunch counters, etc.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is ridiculous. The whole concept of tipping is supposed to be a reward/incentive for good service, to try to make ensure the staff does their job to make your experience as good as it should be. All those people are essentially are cashiers – their wages should be built into the price of the good, just like a cashier.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, worst grammar ever. Hope the point isn’t lost…
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree — and this is why Europeans are lousy tippers, because waiters and cab drivers get paid a decent wage over there — but the system is the way it is. I don’t think you’re going to be able to change it by refusing to tip anyone.
And there are differences in quality of service. Hell, there’s a big difference in the quality of service among people who really are cashiers. Sometimes I think supermarket cashiers should have tip jars too.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Maybe I just noticed it because they were tipping the dealer.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I would never tip my drug dealer. That’s just silly.
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if it's that weed delivery service?
I tip my pizza delivery man.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In Berlin you don’t tip at all. Ever. It’s just not something you do.
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by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been told to tip 30 or 40 cents in Berlin. I usually overtip just because that feels so weird.
What’s the tipping situation in Israel?
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understood that you don’t actually tip, you just round up. It was definitely weird for at first, I kept on feeling like dick, but it’s just the way it is. The waiters are probably better off that way anyway.
In Israel you tip 10-15% usually, including taxes. The laws are different, though, it’s illegal to pay less than minimum wage, regardless of tips.
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by Cookyman on Nov 24, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s for the birds.
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by ResDog on Nov 24, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Starbucks staff makes most of there money off tips.
I worked for a local catering company at a The Sonoma County Fair at a take and eat for a few years and the tips added up to about 100 extra dollars/week
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by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eww starbucks…. Peets is where it’s at
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I did know that, and that’s exactly what I was referring to when I said it bothers me. All they’re doing is being a cashier, writing down your order and filling a cup with coffee. Come freaking on. There’s nothing tip worthy about that, nor is there a meaningful difference in the level of service between different “baristas”, as I believe they call them…
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I don’t tip at places like Starbucks b/c it allows corporate the ability to under pay employees and increase there profit margins at the expense of the workers pay. Which is why I also hate restaurants that add gratuity to large parties. The services is always shittier when the tip is guaranteed from the very beginning. I actually went to a place with some friends before a show that added on a 20% gratuity!
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by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you refuse to to pay gratuity that’s added on? I mean, I wouldn’t do that, just because I argue against tipping doesn’t make me a cheap ,tacky bastard…but I’m just curious if you’re obligated to pay that….
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think so. It just pisses me off that I can’t tip ti quality.
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by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw an article a few days ago where a couple was arrested by the police for refusing to pay the gratuity added on their bill. I think it was in Philadelphia.
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by SFGuy on Nov 25, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha not only would that directly answer my question, but as a current Philly resident, it would be direct applicable to me…
by Missing Barry on Nov 25, 2009 6:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Figures that would happen in Bethlehem. What a shitty city. I almost went to Lehigh…great decision on my part not to.
by Missing Barry on Nov 25, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, what if you just used your card instead, you don’t technically have to pay… i’ve never heard of tipping at starbucks, maybe put in a buck or something when getting a latte and muffin or something
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They do that because large parties screw with the kitchen.
It’s much harder to get 12 dishes out at the same time than three tables of four. Also, because larger groups tend to tie up the tables longer than smaller groups, and because they can. It really doesn’t have to do with the front of house per se.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know there is a lot that goes into it. The service quality really seems to plummet, though when it does happen.
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by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
eh. I worked at the bucks for a few years, and the tips never exceeded $2 per hour.
Back then the base pay was better relative to other food service jobs.
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by oldjacket on Nov 24, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and it is still cheaper than PA!
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
my dad tried pumping his own gas there and the gas stattion owner started cursing him out in italian
by sfoakbay on Nov 24, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s New Jersey for you, aspiring to give it’s citizens gas station pumping jobs. Why let people pump their own gas when we can make sure the workforce is employed at minimum wage…
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whereabouts?
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wayne, NJ. And then we are heading into NYC for a day to tool around and catch a play.
by xanthan on Nov 23, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Never been there.
I’m jealous about New York! I moved away in 2003 and haven’t been back since 2004. I miss it.
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by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife’s dad is originally from NYC and her side of the family has a ton of family in NJ.
by xanthan on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I found a pic of you and your wife
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by rotorueter on Nov 23, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My aunt and uncle live in Wayne!
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by jponry on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I AM SO SORRY!
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to drive through NJ for Thanksgiving…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to visit my family in Boston, but decided not to b/c of the NJ/NYC traffic. A 5-7 hour trip quickly turns into a 10-12 hour trip. Especially if someone decides to scale the George Washington Bridege again. I sat on the x-bronx expressway stopped for 3 hours that day.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep I’m heading up to New England, I think I’m going north to the Tappen Zee to avoid that stuff, though. I did the George Washington route last year and it sucked.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am just worried that the mass exodus to and from the NYC area will be horrible. Traffic between SF/Sac/Reno got really bad during Thanksgiving. I don’t want to find out how bad NYC holiday traffic is.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is pretty terrible, no denying that. I’d just much rather avoid NYC at all costs.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Driving in the city sucks, man. I had a meeting in Manhattan over the summer and had to wait in traffic for over two hours just to exit right before the GW bridge. Gah!
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by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I once pulled an awesome move right before the GW bridge. Totally illegal. You know how roads to the top and bottom are seperated? I went through a gap in the barrier because the other one was moving while I was in bumper to bumper traffic. Very decent.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
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by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But don’t we have to trade someone of value to get Uggla? I would much rather have Johnson for cash.
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by SeeingStars on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries. I want no part of nj.
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by GiantPain on Nov 23, 2009 1:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
we might get him for a dsicounted price
by sfoakbay on Nov 24, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whether you want Uggla or not, one thing is sure: He’s not coming for a discounted price. He’s going to make $8M this season, which is not too different from what his free-market FA value would be. So even if the prospects heading to Miami are completely worthless, Uggla is not coming at a discount. (Caveat: I suppose it is remotely possible that if the Giants were willing to kick in really good prospects like Bumgarner, that the Fish would either send back players in addition to Uggla or agree to pay part of his salary — but I sincerely doubt it.)
by taliesin on Nov 24, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i would be fine with uggla
what i meant by discounted price was giving up shitty prospects for him but paying all of his salary.
by sfoakbay on Nov 25, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You would be better off at putting Uggla at third base.
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by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But then you make Panda’s bat less valuable. It’s a cycle. In the end, this team will eventually have to acquire someone who actually hits like a first-baseman.
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by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you have a given group of infielders, where their bats are doesn’t matter, you still have the same 4 guys regardless. You should try to maximize their collective defensive value.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Am Not Worried About Sandoval's WAR - I Am Worried About The Giants Infield's WAR in Total.
His bat will play just fine at 1B and his career UZR/150 is 11.2 runs better at 1B then 3B (+7.6 vs -3.6) which almost whips out the 15 runs of positional adjustment. To my way of thinking a 1B/2B/3B combo of Sandoval/Uggla/Sanchez is clearly superior to one of Garko/Sanchez/Sandoval.
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can buy that kind of thinking.
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by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that +11
is not particularly believable. I’ll buy +5, but he’s going to need a lot more games at both to convince me he’s an awesome 1B and bad 3B.
Offensively, is Uggla > Garko? CHONE says no, Garko +7. James says they are about equal. We’ll split the difference and give Garko a +4. Garko is, over his career a -6 UZR/150 at 1B and Uggla a -3/ UZR/150 at 2B – basically the same level of fielder as Panda. Moving either one to first is worth +5 fielding runs, so that basically cancels out the 4 runs of offense
So, a free Uggla would improve the team. But paying an Uggla, or trading for an Uggla, … kinda Uggla.
Note that this assumes Bochy will actually let Garko hit.
Furthermore – getting Nick Johnson, who is for his career a slight + on defense, and a better hitter than Uggla, Garko, and Sanchez put together is an obviously superior move.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been saying a less thorough version of this for the last couple of weeks. Thinking of Uggla as basically a first baseman, suddenly giving up good prospects for him seems like a bad idea.
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by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Offensively, is Uggla > Garko? CHONE says no, Garko +7.
Crone shows Uggla a +12 R150 with Garko +8 R150 for +4 advantage for Uggla.
James says they are about equal.
James shows Uggla at .351 wOBA with Garko at .347 wOBA for a .004 wOBA advantage for Uggla.
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4 points of wOBA
is well within predictive error.
I must have misread the CHONE predictions… not sure who I was thinking was a +1. Overall I give it a +10 offense/defense swapping out Garko for Uggla. He only costs 7M more though, not including talent in a trade. for 1 win.
Of course, using CHONE, Freddie Sanchez is a -12, so he should have been shot into space and we should go with the OBVIOUSLY superior Sandoval/Uggla/Garko combination.
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What About Defense?
I would think Freddy’s defense at 3B vs Sandoval’s and Sandoval’s Defense at 1B vs Garko’s whould make up for Garko’s offensive advantage.
In addition, I think these projecitons under estimate Sanchez’s offense (I just don’t buy projecting that much decline) and overestimate Garko’s offense (I think having to play full time agianst righties will drive this down).
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, Freddies/Sandoval vs. Sandoval/Garko is probably not +20 runs worth of defense, but it might be +10. So is Garko 5, 10, or 20 runs > Sanchez with the bat? Not reallly sure.
I think the bad negative projection for Sanchez is presuming some large chance that he’s injured/washed up.
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by zenbitz on Nov 24, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Using career UZR/150’s Uggla is 8.5 runs worse then Sanchez at 2B (-2.9 vs +5.6). However Sanchez has actually played 3B and played it very well indeed thank you to the tune of +17.9 UZR/150 in 1340 career innings. This may not represent Sanchez’s true talent level at 3B but it does seem like a stretch to think that Uggla who has never played 3B will be within 8.5 runs of Sanchez on defense at 3B. To me at least it is pretty clear that Uggla at 2B and Sanchez at 3B is the better way to go.
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Cameron too, but as someone already mentioned above, I don’t think he will go to a team that will move him to a corner OF spot.
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
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by Tellias on Nov 23, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Note to Rowand: “Sit on a fastball” does not mean “swing at the next pitch assuming that it’s going to be a fastball”.
Not OK with Velez/Torres in LF. I’m not sure I’m ok with Velez/Torres in CF and Rowand turning into a magic unicorn that poops rainbows that we can sell for the price of his contract (and then spend it on an actual corner OF).
Speaking of SSS hot streaks, Torres’ career 848 OPS vs LHP is based on a whopping 178 PAs. I couldn’t dig up his minor league splits – but generally, RHH don’t have much of a (reproducable) platoon split (since they don’t face that many LHP anyway)
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In summary over Torres’ minor league career he’s hit LHP a little better than RHP, but the difference is not that big and nowhere near the difference that we saw from him this year in the majors.
by taliesin on Nov 23, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so "essentially no split"
because he hit 0.282/0.364/0.438 vs. RHP.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait for the first great MCC freak-out of the 2009-2010 off-season.
by deuce deuce on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Giants sign a 25 year old Willie Mays clone!!
MCC:
“I can’t believe this!!! It block Fred Lewis!!!”
by tyrannoman on Nov 23, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your clone bias is showing!
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hate Velez but I hate Eugenio Velez, starting LF.
And it’s gonna happen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 23, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My only hope if we do end up with Eugenio Velez, starting LF
Thomas Neal forces the issue sooner rather than later.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 23, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect Eugenio will force the issue all on his own.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
the last couple years we had “Daniel Ortmeier, starting 1B” and “Emmanuel Burris starting SS” and both of those ended before spring training was over. However it did lead to “Emmanuel Burris starting 2B”, which led to much gnashing of teeth.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 23, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Dan Ortmeier, Starting 1B lead to Rich Aurillia, Starting 1B?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read were Aurilia wantss to play in 2010? HHmmmm…
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 23, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
quiet you
I’d blocked that from memory. In any case, the non-Velez options for “Giants LF” are far superior to Aurilia. Well, and Velez, for that matter.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 23, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
someone has to have
the “Annual Bocock Award for being Annoited Starter for No Good Reason Whatsoever”
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the Giants 2nd highest honor behind the Willie Mac Award?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you have the naming wrong
should be the Ortmeier award, or alternatively the Ortie.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 23, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How many AB’s did it take for Bochy to realize he made a mistake with Emmanuel Burriss?
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He never actually gave up on him IIRC. Manny broke his foot after about 200.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Manny broke his foot after being demoted.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 23, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah I think you’re right
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He may start, but so did Fred. And look where that got him.
Which is to say, don’t believe anything the Giants FO says about anything ever.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 23, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that if a “five-tool player” streaked through the front office, someone would be bound to notice that.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the 5th tool.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
someone streaked through my 7:55 econ lecture last wednesday. everyone noticed
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son
by lincecuminyourface on Nov 23, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A little OT
I really wish Giants.com would stop putting Holiday in the subject of their emails.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was so tired of Giants.com sending playoff e-mails, that I blocked them from my account.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
I think if Velez does start the year in LF, he only lasts until May. It isn’t like the Giants have a track record of giving huge blocks of starting time to young, underachieving players (cf. Neikro, Ortmeier, Ishikawa, et al). The real question is what do they do then?
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Give Dallas McPherson a shot in left field…………………..
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s on the A’s now.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 23, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully they don’t show as much patience as they did with Burriss last year.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
Or Bocock. Maybe this needs a subclause – they don’t give playing time to underachieving young players – unless said player is playing at a key defensive position.
Although if that held true, Posey would get lots of playing time….maybe subsection B would make an exception for catcher, since that clearly needs lots of veteran presence.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus it seems like Bork is loves FastBlackAbeLincoln
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or young underachiening young player might have a remote chance to turn things arround. I am not sure which it is.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 23, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or as they did with Velez last year…
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ishikawa is the best of the lot – by a pretty big margin. Which is sad.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
very much this
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 23, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jcb9- have you received a response from the St Luis today moron?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nope, he never wrote back.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that’s spelled ‘moran’.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is America! Speak our lanuguage!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My offseason fear is seeing snakes because I’m afraid of snakes.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I used to be afraid of elevators.
I have a cousin who was afraid of buttons when she was a little kid. Her sister was (and apparently still is) afraid of magnification/distortion. For example, she used to have a fish bowl, but she had to get rid of it because the way the the curved glass distorted size scared her.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m afraid of roofs and wooden decks.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
when I was a little kid
I was afraid of pinecones
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 23, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
She wouldn’t enjoy the house of mirrors then.
Also, one time as part of a security job I had to stand in an elevator for an entire 8 hour shift while a building full of people go laid off. It was my last day as a security guard.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
get laid off at 5?
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Nov 23, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to work on a farm outside of Vacaville, near Winters, and I used to kill a Rattlesnake a day. They were everywhere in the walnut orchards.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how’d you do it?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 23, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chop their heads off with a shovel.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Step one- shovel
Step two- cut off head
step three- skin
step four- bbq
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
step five- sweet boots
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Always wear steel toed boots.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot about cutting off their rattles
I have a bag full of rattles at my parents house.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baby toys?
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 23, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you use one liners such as, “Bite me!,” when you would do it?
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m afraid of bad offenses. That mean’s I’m afraid a lot living in SF with the Giants and 49ers.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 24, 2009 1:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wake up ginatz brass, Eugenio is not the answer.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 23, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
/mails this cat to Abu Dhabi
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 23, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants Brass = Disappointment
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That looks like the Jets.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 23, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, its THE HERD!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Rex crying again?
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 23, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not Rex, that’s Rxmeister.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 24, 2009 1:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not ashamed to say that is that cutest thing I have ever seen.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nerd alert
The second law of thermodynamics basically states that there’s no free lunch- every process is inherently imperfect. Therefore, leaving a fridge door open would actually end up heating the room. It wouldn’t be terribly efficient, but the temperature of the room would rise until the room settled into a new, higher temp. equilibrium.
Therefore, leaving the fridge door open would actually help. Unlike Eugenio Velez. There is no law of thermodynamics that would help him.
by clevername on Nov 23, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Clever.
/steals co-worker’s lunch.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 23, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meesa gonna sit on a 0-2 fastball!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 23, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
/hacksa atta slidah in the dirtsa
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I havent posted in a while
I spent 3 days playing Modern Warfare 2, and another 2 days learning how to walk again.
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
Registered Velezbian and supporter of Fredemption
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 23, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
thoughts?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 23, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to read in between the lines but I think he hates it.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 23, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its kinda meh
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
Registered Velezbian and supporter of Fredemption
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 23, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this website would be more exciting if we could all sneak up on each other and stab posters to death, but only if they respawn in a different thread five seconds later.
by Grant on Nov 23, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Not the stabbing! Noooooooooooo! . . . This isn’t thread I’m looking for!?”
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This would be the greatest thing ever.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be better if they spawned on a different blog.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You would never escape TBLA because there would be no one to stab you though.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But not Purple Row
That would just be cruel
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
Registered Velezbian and supporter of Fredemption
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 23, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/stabs GrahamCrakalaka to death
/watches him reincarnate on TBLA
/laughs self to death
by sfoakbay on Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if you die by not stabbing what would happen to you? Materialize at Amazin’ Avenue?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rxmeister is like five steps ahead of you.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 23, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am tired of – an in his prime already and never a real prospect in the first place – Eugenio Velez.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 23, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why all the talk about Damon? What about Figgins, or has he already resigned with the Angels? I feel Figgins could contribute more than Damon, plus you get position depth.
I like N. Johnson as a hitter, but shouldn’t be concerned with his inability to stay healthy?
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
by Tellias on Nov 23, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So when Damon comes to SF will his beard come back with him?
I am still hoping that instead of Nick Johnson…Ishikawa has his break out season…is that too much to ask? Garkokawa seems like a good marketing campaign if we keep with this plantoon business. Seeing Figgins in a Giants uniform seems like a nice idea…but don’t know that Sabes has it in him. I think seeing Cameron in a corner spot and Uggla could be a much more likely scenario with the Marlins looking to trim payroll…not saying that’s what I want…but I just feel like there won’t be any splashes this offseason with a name like Figgins.
Do you think Schierholz deserves a starting outfield position or is that a lost cause or trade bait?
by jbpeterson on Nov 23, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 23, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What a great photo…the only thing missing is a Giants hat…question…whose that ugly looking guy to the left of Johnny Damon?
I love that by being a Giants fan you get to see so many players passing from their prime who at one point you were like wow he is a decent ball player…several years down the road he starts in San Francisco…Thanks for reminding me of the good ol’ days Randy and Edgar…I sure enjoyed that world series Edgar…too bad I don’t even remember the year it was that long ago.
by jbpeterson on Nov 23, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who picked out the reference?
by positiveuphemism on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think at this point, tilting at windmills is beyond a reference — it’s one of those Shakespeare-like idioms that people will quote even if they don’t know the origin.
by Grant on Nov 25, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay! Validation. Thank you.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 25, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmmm, I'm no stat guy but...
Johnny Damon hit 24 homer runs last year. 17 of them were at the new Yankee Stadium, which I believe to be a very friendly hitters park, especially into RF.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/event_hr.cgi?n1=damonjo01&t=b
If you go to there, it shows you that 21 of the hr’s are into right field, and the other 3 are into right-center. I feel like this is not a recipe for success when you have to play half your games at AT&T Park. Was this addressed earlier by anyone?
by Hippoboy84 on Nov 23, 2009 10:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I've been using this example a lot
At this website, you can see a really close approximation of what Johnny Damon’s home runs looked like last season (and the previous two seasons).
My quick summary: I don’t think Damon’s home run power will translate very well to the park here.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 23, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Topic Mash-Up!
Why come no talk of The Average One being the leadoff hitter?
From the Small Sample Size Department:
.294/.341/.468 (217 PAs) Batting 1st last year.
by chefasaurus on Nov 23, 2009 10:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Batting in a different lineup spot is not going to change your ability. We should expect Rowand to produce at the same level no matter where he bats in the lineup.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you are suggesting we make test tube BLB’s?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Anybody else not a big fan of flying?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
As long as the plane has at least one more engine than it actually needs to stay aloft, I'm cool.
Unless there’s a baby nearby, I’m sitting next to person that’s too large for their seat, I get a seat with insufficient legroom (which, for me, is anything that isn’t in front or an emergency row), or it’s a transcontinental flight that only serves those shitty snack boxes.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a Delta flight from Cinci to SFO, but yea i’m in the exit row, i’m 6’ 3, so i need it, movie on flight, plus i think there is internet
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the airline
AA- Hate flying
UA- Hate flying a little less
SW- Flight kinda sucks and always cramped, but can’t argue with the price and the service free soda FTW
JetBlue…HEAVEN!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JetBlue is AWESOME! i flew song, but they don’t have that anymore from delta… i’m flying Delta, so we’ll see, i fly it all the time now
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To add to your list: US Air is effing terrible. You have to pay for water! Northwest is also bad because they pack you in and their main hubs are in Detroit and Minneapolis (think about flying through there in the winter). JetBlue is awesome but doesn’t serve my home-town.
Flying used to be more enjoyable, but now airports are such a frigging hassle that it’s really a pain.
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by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
US Air quickly scrapped their paying for drinks thing. They have 0 entertainment during the flight, though.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did not know that. Still sucks flying with them and they always lose my bags.
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by cornball on Nov 24, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flying blows, but I know that it’s incredibly safe, if anyone is not a fan because of safety concerns…
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? see that’s why i’m scared of it, i always fly, but that’s the one thing that bothers me, the safety
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you're flying an airline named after a third world country, I wouldn't be concerned.
And probably not even then.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, i like the way you think
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s incredibly safe. You basically hear about every single plane accident that happens in the whole country, and how many is that? We go years between accidents. I’m referring to major commercial airlines, at least. Little private jets are less safe. Even the regional airlines that the major ones outsource to (these will be all the flights on planes that hold at most 50 people) are very safe, though they are less safe than the big airplanes. Bigger, in generally = safer.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what’s wrong with me today.
Bigger, in general = safer.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
got ya, i’ll be in a big plane that goes from Cincy to SFO, so i’m not too worried about it now, so hopefully i’ll be able to post online even though i’m flying home
by PiKAgiant on Nov 24, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah if you’re ever getting on a 20 person propeller plane (like from say, SFO to SLO)…the reality is you’re safe but there’s at least enough there that worrying and/or avoiding the situation altogether isn’t unreasonable…
Bottom line, stick to the big planes with a major airline, try to avoid the regional jets if you can (often you won’t be able to), and you’re safer than you are walking your dog through your neighborhood.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Deadly US plane accidents: (commerical passnger airlines)
Buffalo- 2009
ComAir- 2006 (take off accident, my biggest fear)
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by say hey nation on Nov 24, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better to crash on takeoff than landing.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 24, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Every time I think we’re out of OT topics …
by Evan on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love flying. I always sleep really well on flights. Also as mentioned before, one of the safest forms of transportation. However, to add to your fear, if you are on one of those rare flights that has a problem, odds are usually not good, unless you are flying over the gelatinous mass of the Hudson.
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by scout6 on Nov 24, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate, hate, hate flying. Mr. Merope’s going back to Cincy for the Xmas … I’m staying home.
Though I’ve not exactly had the most pleasant of experiences flying. Had to fly the day after a major root canal once, by myself, so I couldn’t take any pain meds (they put me to sleep for hours). Have had innumerable screaming babies sit behind me, then there was the time the flight attendant dropped the beef terriyucky on my head. Oh and the the return flight from Cincy one cold December morning where we sat on the tarmac for an hour or so, and the co-pilot kept walking back through the cabin to check the wings? engines? for icing, even at one point opening one of the emergency exit doors to figure out if it was safe.
blech to flying.
by Merope on Nov 25, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure this is really off topic… I mean the subject title is “Offseason Fears” Christmas is in the offseason, flying gives you the willies… flying is your “Offseason Fear.”
by Merope on Nov 25, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WELL, now i’m just fucking glad to be back in the Bay, it’s about 20 degrees warmer and CLEAR, man i love it
by PiKAgiant on Nov 25, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols won MVP????
I thought Juan Pierre had it for sure
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 24, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Today I was thinking that Nick Johnson plus Mike Cameron wouldn’t be too bad. I still maintain that Nick Johnson will average like 300 ABs per season over a two year contract because he is always on the DL. Mike Cameron would be able to be effective defensively in the Giants large right field. He can steal bases. He hits for power. I’m not sure if he takes pitches or walks. Maybe he does.
I’m not for getting Johnny Damon. From watching the playoffs, he looks too old to play outfield. He’s also not really that much of a power hitter and looks slow.
I saw a Yahoo Sports rumor that mentioned the Giants were interested in trading to the Rangers for Nelson Cruz. I wouldn’t mind that as long as it wasn’t a trade involving Bumgarner or Cain. Which makes you wonder who else the Rangers would even want? I guess it would be Jonathan Sanchez, Pucetas, Henry Sosa or someone. I can’t think of the name of the reliever they were using a lot. I bet he’d have some value too.
by parisspleen on Nov 24, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hahahah
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 26, 2009 3:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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