Mauer "catches" MVP Award
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And apparently the great writers of MLB.com were on the same line of thinking as me.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
JOE MAUERS HIS WAY TO THE TOP OF THE MVP VOTING
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
LOL SI.com, front page is about FA with pic of Johnny Damon
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions
Hey, good for the writers. Maybe they really are improving on their picks – Mauer got 27 of the 28 first place votes. I would have picked Jeter 2nd over Teix, but oh well, the difference isn’t that big. Bottom line, they got it absolutely right, so good job, BBWAA (for once).
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder who gave Cabrera that first place vote.
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A lot of “I am not saying” in that article.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 23, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Man, thats 3 of the big 4 awards I have agreed with. And the odds of it going 4-4 is overwhelmingly high. There is no way anyone can justify Pujols not being NL MVP.
Well done writers.
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I actually Utley and Ramirez gave Pujols a good fight, without anyone noticing, but Pujols is still the right choice.
Man, Utley’s last five years have been insane, and he’s going to finish them without ever coming close to winning an MVP. He’s basically been Jeff Kent at his peak:
Kent, 1998-2002: .307/.378/.548, 142 OPS+.
Utley, 2005-2009: .301/.388/.535, 134 OPS+.
Kent’s numbers are slightly better when you consider Utley’s park, but Utley had better defense and baserunning. Even if you go to the more basic stats it’s impossible to tell them apart:
Kent averaged: 100 singles, 42 doubles, 4 triples, and 29 home runs per season.
Utley averaged: 102 singles, 39 doubles, 5 triples, and 29 home runs per season.
Kent averaged 12 more RBI’s, Utley averaged 15 more RS.
If he keeps it up for a few more years, I think Utley should have an outside chance to make the HOF.
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but Utley had better defense and baserunning
And not just by a little bit. Utley’s arguably been the best defensive player in baseball, AND arguably the best baserunner in all of baseball over this time….
I think Utley at his peak is better than Kent at his peak by a sizable amount.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
One amazing stat this year that I think got almost no attention is the fact that Utley was 23 for 23 in stolen base attempts. As far as I can tell, that is the record for most steals in a season without being caught. That is amazing.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
I believe that is the record. According to this, the previous record appears to be 21.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
His UZR’s have been consistently great over his entire career, but I seemed to remember that he’s not considered a great fielder by the fans and scouts. He’s ranked as the 4th best fielder by the FSR, though, so maybe I’m wrong.
but I still don’t think he’s the best defensive player in baseball, not even arguably. Best 2B maybe, but he’s not better than the best defensive SS out there.
Best baserunner? I don’t see how he’s even close. He was great this year, before that just slightly above average. Do you really think he’s as good as Ichiro/Pierre/Figgins/Reyes?
I agree that his peak is better than Kent’s, but the difference isn’t huge. 5-10 runs.
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Well, when you’re talking about best defensive player, I meant in terms of the value he provides – the difference between him and others at his position is pretty much as large as anyone in baseball. SS’s and CF’s are better fielders than 2B, though, as you pointed out. As for baserunning, he seems to bounce around a lot in the EQBRR ratings at baseball prospectus. I dunno what to make of that. This past year he was the 2nd best base runner, by their metrics, in baseball, though. At his peak he wasn’t quite the hitter Kent was, but he more than made up for it in other ways. I would probably say 10 runs is a fairly accurate estimation. Whether or not that’s “sizable” is pretty subjective…but the point is, Kent is a HoF’er…meaning Utley is damn good.
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th Points Joe Mauer, Twins 27 1 387 Mark Teixeira, Yankees 15 6 4 1 1 1 225 Derek Jeter, Yankees 9 5 3 5 3 1 1 1 193 Miguel Cabrera, Tigers 1 1 5 8 4 3 2 1 3 171 Kendry Morales, Angels 3 9 10 3 2 170 Kevin Youkilis, Red Sox 2 7 3 4 2 2 4 1 150 Jason Bay, Red Sox 1 1 4 5 4 5 1 78 Ben Zobrist, Rays 1 4 3 1 2 34 Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners 2 4 4 3 33
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions
Is the formatting off on this? Where are the rest of the votes for 2nd?
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Maybe some writers just didn’t give second place votes.
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1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th Points Joe Mauer, Twins 27 1 387 Mark Teixeira, Yankees 15 6 4 1 1 1 225 Derek Jeter, Yankees 9 5 3 5 3 1 1 1 193 Miguel Cabrera, Tigers 1 1 5 8 4 3 2 1 3 171 Kendry Morales, Angels 3 9 10 3 2 170 Kevin Youkilis, Red Sox 2 7 3 4 2 2 4 1 150 Jason Bay, Red Sox 1 1 4 5 4 5 1 78
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Still doesn’t have the other 1st place vote? Someone voted Jeter 8th? That’s pretty bad…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
All 28 Are Accounted For (2 each for the 14 AL teams).
Jeter also got a 9th and 10th place vote.
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Unless we’re seeing things differently I do not see anyone else with a 1st place vote besides Mauer?
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
If only someone had mentioned that at least twice!
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Hey, this is a big thread
You can’t expect everyone to read everything.
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by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
I'm seeing it
Maybe it’s you browser or something. It’s definitely there.
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Weird – I mean, I see all 27 for Mauer, the Teix has 15 3rd place votes, Jeter 9 2nd 5 3rd, Cabrera 1 2nd 1 3rd 5 4th…
Maybe the formatting is messed up and some of my columns are shifted to the right?
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, didn’t Jon Miller say he’s voting for Jeter?
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I don’t think Jon has a BBWAA vote.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
We can tell Grant isn’t a BBWAA member because the highest vote Zobrist got was a 6th place.
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That actually makes me sad. Hello, people, Zobrist was the 4th best hitter in the AL last year!
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t vote for him, though. I feel like a guy should have more than one good year before getting MVP consideration, to avoid the Zoilo Versalles MVPs.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
You wouldn’t put him in your Top 10, though? And I disagree with that, completely – if a guy has a fluke year…it still happened, why shouldn’t he get recognized for it? If it’s a fluke UZR or something where we don’t know for sure he really had that good year, that’s a fair point, but with something like hitting….those things happened, why should the person have to be an established star to get recognition for a great year?
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
2.6 Of His 8.6 WAR Did Come From Defense
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
That’s why my original statement was that he was the 4th best hitter in the AL.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
That’s all I was hoping for. I don’t think straight WAR values should decide the MVP or anything, I’m fine with Zobrist not being top 3-4, but he definitely deserves votes. I mean, Kendry Morales got more votes than him for gods sakes! Zobrist was a much better hitter, played wherever his team needed him (which resulted in him playing a tougher position than Morales overall), and played better defense at all those positions! What else do voters need! There wasn’t a single thing Morales was better at than Zobrist! (Obviously being on a team that makes the playoffs makes a player twice as good or something)
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not willing to give the writers any credit for this, it was incredibly obvious
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM PST reply actions
They have made plenty of horrible selections, but I can’t think of any instance in my lifetime of them blowing one this obvious. You could argue that picking Ivan Rodriguez over Pedro Martinez in 1999 qualifies, but that was due to some writers making up their own rules about pitchers not being eligible for the MVP, so I regard that as a separate sort of procedural idiocy.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Jimmy Rollins in 2007 over at least 5 other players including two of his teammates?
"It's too late now."
not a good choice, but not giving it to Mauer this year would have been a far bigger travesty than that
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
With The Existance Of The Cy Young I Think This Should Be The Case
These two awards are of equal value in my judgement and since the Cy Young is only for pitchers the MVP should only be for position players.
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
The Criteria I Find Bogus Is The View That A MVP Must Come From A Playoff Contender
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
that is no less bogus than not voting for a pitcher
both are completely made up
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I Understand
But I see logic behind one and none behind the other. To me is just does not make sense to have an award for pitchers only and not have an equal award for positon players only.
by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
I actually agree with not voting for a pitcher, for the same reason grm does. They have an award for top pitcher, already, so it makes more sense to me to have an equal award for position players…
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
well they already gave Joe Mauer the silver slugger and the gold glove so why should he be eligible for the MVP?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Eh those awards don’t have the same prestige. Plus they give a lot more than 1 of them out, so it’s not nearly the same feat to win it. :_
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
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by giantsrainman on Nov 23, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
wtf
who the fuck would give a 1st place vote to Miguel Cabrera?
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Here is something worth a chuckle:
Mauer receives a $100,000 bonus for winning the award, and Cabrera gets $200,000 for finishing fourth.
Cabrera gets a bigger bonus for coming in 4th. LOL at his contract.
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Cabrera will split his bonus with the guy that gave him a vote.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 23, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
wtf?
i would really like to read an article by Keizo Konishi of Kyodo News on why cabrera was not only better than mauer but tex and jeter as well.
I would really like to read an article explaining why Keizo Konishi of Kyodo News has one of 28 MVP votes
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 23, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
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