Why Jon Miller? Why?

ESPN Votes for their AL MVP

I can understand the one guy who picks Teixeira over Mauer (RIB EYES!), but really Jon? This is twice you have hurt my feelings.

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For a guy as informed as Miller, this is just baffling. Stupid Calm Eyes…

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by GiantsFanInExile on Nov 22, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

What was the other one?

Picking Verlander for Cy? that was bad too.

Its funny because fuck the dodgers

by kvdp12 on Nov 22, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Bochy for MOTY

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Nov 22, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Though in his defense, he DOES have to do 100+ Bruce Bochy Shows next year…

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Nov 22, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it’s refreshing to see so little stupidity among the ESPN “voters”

by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 22, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Miller loves the Yankees. I listened to most of the playoffs on the radio at work, and Miller was calling the games as if he worked for Steinbrenner.

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by rxmeister on Nov 22, 2009 1:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

/pukes

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by Giant among Angels on Nov 22, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

his mind must be warped from watching so much Giants baseball

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by wjackalope on Nov 22, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i’ve never really gotten the sense that Miller likes sabermetric stats. he’s always seemed more old school to me, and I think it probably counts a lot for him that Jeter’s team actually won a championship.

this is my theory, anyway.

by FPTV on Nov 22, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

He talks about OPS a lot, but that’s about as far as he goes.

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by jcb9 on Nov 22, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He says OPS funny.

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by xanthan on Nov 22, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, he says it like he’s Ben Sisko going to work.

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by jcb9 on Nov 22, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I tend to think Miller is quite open-minded about sabermetrics — at any rate, a lot more open-minded than a lot of BBWAA folk. He’s not going to become a SABR spokesperson anytime soon but I suspect he has more than conversational familiarity with why W-L record, for instance, isn’t a good measure of a pitcher’s value. The AL MVP vote however I don’t know what’s going on, both with his vote or why it’s controversial (I didn’t follow the AL at all this year).

I am a little put off though by he (and Flem, sometimes) pronouncing “OPS” as if it were short for “Operations”.

by non sequitur on Nov 22, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, the controversy is that Mauer was better than Jeter in pretty much every single offensive category, and did so as a catcher.

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by jcb9 on Nov 22, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Miller Didn't Even Vote For Jeter - He Voted For Teixeira

by giantsrainman on Nov 22, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jeter's a better candidate than Teixeira.

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by Bhaakon on Nov 22, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree - Just Saying JCB9 Seems To Think Miller Voted For Jeter When He Voted For Teixeira

by giantsrainman on Nov 22, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Nov 22, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Yeah, maybe Miller was just being mischievous. I just looked up the numbers and Mauer’s were better in both the traditional and the more SABR-approved measures, so if Miller thought the MVP were really about the best individual offensive player than you’d have to think he would have picked Mauer whether he overvalued BA/RBI/HR or not. So it’s gotta be something else.

If everyone agrees that an award is about the same thing but it’s just a matter of what measures you use to assess a player’s candidacy, that’s one thing. But I think the MVP debate is broader than that and, within limits, I think that’s fine. Whatever. Hey! Our guy is a rebel! Rejoice.

by non sequitur on Nov 22, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

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by jctGamer on Nov 23, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dat graphic wuz emphatic!

If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.

by esseffgeez on Nov 23, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Looks shopped

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by groug on Nov 23, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope.

Look at the page. Miller voted for Jeter. It was Steve Berthiaume who voted for Teixeira. Everyone else voted for Mauer.

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by jcb9 on Nov 22, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My Mistake - Somehow I Thought Only Miller Didn't Vote For Mauer And Thus He Was The One That Voted For Teixeira

by giantsrainman on Nov 22, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This Does Make My Point Below About Mauer Missing April More Valid For Miller's Vote

by giantsrainman on Nov 22, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jeter was not even the mvp of his team.

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by scout6 on Nov 22, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, yes he was. Normally I’m in the Jeter is overrated camp, and I don’t think he’s ever been the best player on his own team before, but in 2009, Jeter was the best player on the New York Yankees. He had a hell of a year, possibly the best year of his entire career.

by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jeter had his best year since 2006 but his best year may have been 1999.

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by SFGuy on Nov 22, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Offensively, yeah. There might have been enough on the defensive end to make up that value, though. Not arguing this point as a sure thing, just raising the possibility.

by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think you need sabermetrics to see that Mauer was better than Jeter. You can just take a quick look a their AVG/OBP/SLG and see it’s not even close. And even if you go by AVG/HR/RBI, Mauer leads by 30 points of AVG, 10 HR’s, and 30 RBI’s, and he did it with better defense at a tougher position. Mauer did miss a month, but still ended up with more than 600 PA’s.

Picking Jeter is just bizarre.

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by Cookyman on Nov 23, 2009 6:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

a catcher that bats .365, that pretty much happens every year so I can see why Miller was bored by it. Plus Mauer was the inspiration for the guy in the Major League movies that can’t throw back to the mound. Right?

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by natteringnabob on Nov 22, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Mauer Missing A Month Could Have Something To Do With It

Jon could be thinking if missing 4 starts is enough to drop Carpenter behind Lincecum then maybe missing all of April was enough to drop Mauer behind too. However, If he thought this way it should have been Jeter not Teixeira that got his vote.

by giantsrainman on Nov 22, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Obviously you guys have never heard of a little thing called INTANGIBLES

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by heimy25 on Nov 22, 2009 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Jeter’s not an awful selection. I think it’s wrong, but it’s not terrible. You could defend the position if you had to.

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by marcello on Nov 22, 2009 10:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Jeter had a pretty awesome year. I would have voted Mauer, but Jeter’s fine.

More broadly, I don’t really care if everyone starts using sabermetric stats. Guys like Morgan who get freaked out that other people use them bug me, but if Miller wants to evaluate players his own way, thats his prerogative.

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by oldjacket on Nov 23, 2009 7:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs