Giants add four to 40-man roster
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 7:00 PM PST
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Per Baggs:
Friday was the deadline to submit reserve lists and the Giants protected four players from the Rule 5 draft, adding 1B Brett Pill, OF Francisco Peguero, OF Darren Ford and RHP Kevin Pucetas to the 40-man roster.
Pill, a leftright-handed hitter, worked with new hitting coach Roberto Kelly Hensley Meulens earlier this month at AT&T Park and his inclusion was not a surprise after a banner year at Double-A Connecticut. He wasn’t considered a top prospect out of Cal State Fullerton and he’s still got to prove himself at every level, but he’s hit gobs of doubles while thriving in two pitcher’s parks (Connecticut’s Dodd Stadium, and two years earlier, Augusta’s ballpark). He’s also rated a better defensive first baseman than Travis Ishikawa, which is a nice compliment.
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Brett Pill isn’t very good. There, I said it.
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Neither is Ford.
Pucetas isn’t any great shakes either, but at least he actually stands a chance of sticking on a major league roster for a season, which I can’t say of Ford or Pill.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 20, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I recalled reading here that Ford’s season took off after he gave up switch hitting.
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by SF Pete on Nov 20, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You did, and it did. That said, he’s now a new commodity; you just can’t say what his ceiling might be. The best description of him now might be “intriguing.”
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by Lyle on Nov 21, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Ford MIGHT be interesting enough to keep around. Everybody seemed to love him once he went back to hitting right handed.
by Dan from NM on Nov 20, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I’m rooting for the guy but …
by Dan from NM on Nov 20, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Brett Pill doesn’t read this.
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
by I'm_a_Man on Nov 20, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure he has way more important things to do than to check out blogs, and after how hard he has worked to get where he is, I really doubt if he cares about your opinion of him. Seems like there a “few” people on here who actually called this. I think they must be more informed than some of you other posters.
by flyonthewall on Nov 20, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obsessions are fun.
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by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And people say I'm obsessed with Kim Batiste
flyonthewall’s total comments: 186
Use of the word ‘Pill’: 54
That’s 29%. And that doesn’t even include comments like the one above, where he discusses him but doesn’t name him!
Mentions of ‘Batiste’ make up about .003% of my comments, by the way!
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by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it because you have 4,500,589 posts?
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by SFGuy on Nov 21, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes. But flyonthewall has managed to talk about Pill as often as I’ve talked about Batiste in a tiny fraction of the time/comments, is the point.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But jcb9, I just figured that over half the time, when you typed “batiste” you really meant to say “artiste” or “baptist” or “baste” or “bastille day” instead.
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by Lyle on Nov 21, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good call. My son WAS born on Bastille Day!
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RUSH
song
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Called what?
What was called?
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by marcello on Nov 20, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Brett Pill's Mom!
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 20, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a good one. I’m sure his family has more important things to do as well.
by flyonthewall on Nov 20, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dining with Hugo
Apparently the kid is hacking his way thru Venezuela this winter. Read the box score today and saw Pill hit another HR and a double. Two more ribbies for the RBI Machine.
Let Pillapalooza commence!!!
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Linden, age 25: .321 / .437 / .682, 30 HR in 415 PA
Brett Pill, age 25: .298 / .348 / .480, 19 HR in 581 PA
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by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe a Bowker/Pill comp might be a little more appropriate. We can compare their AA seasons in the same Eastern League.
The rap on Pill prior to the 2009 season was that he did not have power. The buzz was that if/when he ever converted those doubles into HRs he would arrive as a prospect. Believe Pill arrived as a prospect in 2009.
He now needs to build on his success in the same way John Boy Bowker did. Hitting in the hitter friendly PCL should improve on Pill’s power numbers. If so then he could be knocking on MLB door.,
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker in Connecticut: .307 / .363 / .523, 22 HR in 587 at bats.
He was better than Pill across the board and almost a year younger. Plus not being a first baseman helps. Although the Giants tried to make him into one.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
587 PAs, not ABs.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I know their numbers. And their career paths. Both were thought to be underperforming and then had their breakout seasons in AA. Bowker then followed up his big AA with a very nice AAA season. Pill needs to follow that same successful path.
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Pill is hacking his way through Venezuela"
If we’re not excited about Nate Schierholtz hitting .522 this winter, Brett Pill’s two homeruns isn’t going to get us going.
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by rxmeister on Nov 21, 2009 5:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they clearly haven’t figured out how to pitch Nate yet.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 21, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fixed
they clearly haven’t figured out how to pitch at Nate yet.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand all this “he’s a better defender than Ishikawa” stuff.
From what I’ve heard, he was mediocre at best until this year, when his fielding percentage skyrocketed.
Wonderful. As if fielding percentage were anything close to an accurate representation of fielding ability.
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by dregarx on Nov 20, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has always been golden
Brett Pill was born with a gold glove
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, his glove was his best attribute even in college.
However, the notion that he “thrived” in Augusta two years ago (.265/.317/.410 with MLEs of .184/.216/.280) is just journalistic fiction.
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by Roger on Nov 21, 2009 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, good. I must have been given misinformation.
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It has me
by dregarx on Nov 21, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so
I take it we didn’t need to protect Neal? How about Snyder?
by BigO on Nov 20, 2009 7:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always kinda liked Snyder but it looks like the Giants took him out of the rotation this year. He was pretty tough on left-handed batters.
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They did take him out of the rotation...
…but that’s all the more reason to protect him. Easier to hide a reliever off of a Rule 5 draft.
It was a solid move for Snyder. He averaged nearly 2 1/2 innings a stint in relief, which is fairly long, and he finished the season with four consecutive starts. That also makes it hard to judge his starting stints. As a starter, he allowed 15 earned runs in 26 1/3 innings (5 starts). As a reliever, he allowed 16 earned runs in 70 2/3 innings (29 relief appearances).
I like Snyder. A lot. He’s also someone I think is the most likely to be taken in the Rule 5 draft.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 21, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And, new hitting coach Roberto Kelly? Does Baggs mean Bam-Bam?
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 7:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
just like Steven Colbert
the Ginats don’t see color.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Nov 20, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Feliz is the new hitting coach?
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 20, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’re all the new hitting coach.
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by SFGuy on Nov 21, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I told Nate to swing at everything – was that wrong?
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by Lyle on Nov 21, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i told him not to swing at everything!
by sfoakbay on Nov 21, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I told him not to swing at anything.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 21, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I told him, Ishi, and Bowker to all swing at the exact same pitch in the dirt.
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by jwizzle241 on Nov 22, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All look same
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hm
I guess I don’t actually know who Pill is. I always thought of this video I saw of a guy hitting, but he was right-handed, so now I don’t know who that actually is.
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by raisingcain on Nov 20, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pill is indeed a RHH. Poppy Baggs must have played an early round of golf and has been at the 19th hole since Happy Hour began
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let us never call him Poppy Baggs ever again.
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can we call him
Coleostomy Baggs?
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by zenbitz on Nov 21, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Colostomy
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by cornball on Nov 22, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See, all that medical schooling is paying off! Just don’t make the same mistake kenshin1 did, and refer to Mike Piazza as a perineal All-Star.
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by Lyle on Nov 22, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I’m officially going to select Darren Ford as my minor leaguer that I irrationally expect great things from this year.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 20, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like Ford, too. If his defensive rep is real, he doesn’t have to hit a ton to be useful in CF.
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like FordTorres, too. If his defensive rep is real, he doesn’t have to hit a ton to be useful in CF.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 20, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a little bit younger than Torres!
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And we would have gotten some kind of return from the Durham trade.
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by Natto on Nov 20, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also had a good number of walks. I like OBP.
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by dregarx on Nov 20, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
from what I observed in the 7 San Jose games I saw this year (gigantic sample size) Ford looked like a MLB center fielder
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 21, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VROOOOOOOOOOM!!!
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by tedfordfan on Nov 21, 2009 7:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a big fan of the VRRROOOM when it comes with actual baseball skills!
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 21, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand why people may not excited about Pillapalooza however do not understand why they would be excited about Darren Ford. Yes Pill is a year older but he also has been successful at a higher level of play than Ford . The 2009 season was the THIRD season Ford has played at the Hi A level.
by wilriv21 on Nov 21, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VROOOOM!
Like you, I’m a big fan of good CF defense. I’m also more apt to believe in a late-bloomer if it’s coupled with good athleticism.
I wouldn’t even go so far as to claim that Ford even warrants being believed in at this point. He’s done just enough to show that he has a shot of reaching his upside.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 21, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ford gets walks too. I ran through the Giants minor league system and he was one of three Giants who had OBP more than 90 points higher than his average (excluding short-season play). The athleticism is a plus, obviously, as something that doesn’t drop off as you ascend leagues. I would put him above Pill on the excitement level for these reasons, but I’m not excited excited.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 21, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well in their minor league careers so far they’ve hit around the same (Ford has a slightly higher wOBA) with Ford having a much higher walk rate and Pill having a much higher strikeout rate. People will value Ford higher because a CF with great defense is much more valuable than a 1B with great defense if they are similar hitters.
Personally I’m not all that excited about either of them, but Ford is a lot more interesting than Pill.
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by GiantFan on Nov 23, 2009 5:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Pill is a better fielder than Ishikawa, he should be playing second.
by Evan on Nov 20, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One of my favorite Vin Scullyism was a comment about JT Snow – “He is a SS playing 1b”
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he probably could if he doesn’t throw left-handed
by DJ Tofu on Nov 21, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe that if Sabean signs two FAs, the first to go off the 40-man is Bocock. I mean, he has to be.
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by cornball on Nov 21, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like you are trying to apply LOGIC to the Giants use of the 40 man roster. Let me know how that works out for you… I’ve never had much luck with it.
by Merope on Nov 21, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Being a Giants fan is a very Quixotic existence.
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by cornball on Nov 21, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. You’d think so, but it’s been like a year and a half, and he’s already dropped about 15 guys ahead of Bocock.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With apologies to Churchill and Russia
Bocock is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
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by esseffgeez on Nov 21, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’d all like to believe that. I simply don’t anymore. Bocock will never go away.
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by kennv on Nov 21, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you experience a Bocock lasting longer than 4 hours, consult a physician.
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by j14 on Nov 21, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
100 years later
McC: “Robo-Sabean, for the love of God, take Bocock off the 40-man! He’s been dead for twenty years! At this point I just don’t think he’s going to make the majors!”
/Robo-Sabean clanks
McC: “And you’re a bad left fielder too!”
by quincy0191 on Nov 21, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Protect your Bocock
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 21, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe sabes doesn’t want to make the same mistake he made with Cody Ransom who turned out to be better than ARod at one point after the Giants gave up on him.
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by SF Pete on Nov 22, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was worried that Ford would be exposed to the Rule 5 draft. So, I’m pleased with these additions.
I think Snyder’s likely to get taken but I’m okay with that.
I really think there’s a chance that Ford is figuring things out, so I’m pleased that the Giants may feel the same way.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 20, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So if they protected these guys,
who are they leaving unprotected that might be a surprise to us?
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by Al Rosen on Nov 20, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That leaves
anyone not on the 40-man roster who has been in the organization for at least 4 years if signed at age 19 or older, or 5 years if signed at age 18 or younger.
(I think)
by KrazyKrabMeat on Nov 20, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any younger and rosterbating about them is just… wrong.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pill
Bats Right
Skinny cooks?
I don't trust em.
by LargeFarva on Nov 20, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sorry
should read the threads a………….bit……………more……………..slowly………..before I post.
Skinny cooks?
I don't trust em.
by LargeFarva on Nov 20, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roster now at 39
Prior to adding the four players the Giants roster was set at 35 players. There are a couple of pitchers and position players on the bubble.
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was worried about Neal given he was a 36th rounder in the 2005 draft, but hadn’t realized he was a draft-and-follow and didn’t end up signing until 2006 (and I presume short season doesn’t count as the 4th full year in the organization.)
As I have said many times before, they gotta do something about the 40 man and make decisions on the Frandsens and Lewises of the world.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Nov 20, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the Bococks
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by giants9107 on Nov 20, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s something about San Francisco and Bococks
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by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWHS
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by Lyle on Nov 21, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering who they took off the 40-man roster. Kind of assumed it could Bocock and a few others.
by flyonthewall on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They already had the space because of the folks who’ve filed for free agency, I believe.
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by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes – Molina/Aurilia/Johnson/Miller are gone, and I may be missing someone else.
Today’s moves are all about the Rule V draft; I believe the 20th is the last day to protect someone, and then you always want to have at least one spot open if you want to claim another player.
Where it gets more interesting because of their mess of 40 man management is what happens if they’ve offered arbitration to Molina and he accepted. I don’t think he’d go back on their until the arb session, which presumably if they have a brain would be after the draft proper (which is like the 10th or 11th.) Someone more versed in roster mechanics can probably clear that up.
It’s unlikely we’ll see any FA signings now until after the draft, since Bocock clearly has something on Sabean in his black book.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Howry, Winn, Penny, and Uribe are also Free Agents.
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by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Medders was too, but he’s not on Cot’s. I guess he doesn’t have the service time.
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by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowry Too.
We finished the season with 44 (four of which were on 60 Day DL). 9 were eligable and filed for free agency (Johnson, Penny, Lowry, Howry, Miller, Molina, Aurilia, Uribe, and Winn) taking us down to 35. Thus adding these four takes us ot 39.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One can never have too many players that can’t OPS more than your winning %.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 20, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he gets 5 years.
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Roberto Kelly Hitting Coach? Since when?
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by bradleybear on Nov 21, 2009 12:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would say I don’t understand the hate on Pill but I do. We all have been hurt so thoroughly before. Me, I’m interested, more than I ever was by Ishikawa. But I’m a romantic.
by Rorsavelt on Nov 21, 2009 4:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone hates Pill. I just don’t think he’s any good, for about a million reasons.
One of which being that he’s not very good.
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by jponry on Nov 21, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also don’t hate Pill, I just don’t think he has much going for him or that he’s the 1B OF TEH FUTURE!
by xanthan on Nov 21, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like how people always automatically think we hate someone if we don’t consider them a viable option for the major league team.
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by Natto on Nov 21, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's true for me
For example, if I met Julio Izturis, I would totally get into a fight with him solely because I don’t think he will ever be a productive major leaguer.
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by groug on Nov 21, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate him
because his mom posts here
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Jack Taschner’s mom.
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by Natto on Nov 21, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume xanthan hates anything until stated otherwise.
Have I drained this meme yet?
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 21, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the hate on Pil
Contraceptors! Repent!
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 21, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what you want, this is what you get.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 21, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not hating on someone to realize that his upside is present-day Ishikawa. Which means, as soon as Ishikawa is making more than the league minimum, he’ll be cut and Pill will replace him.
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by tedfordfan on Nov 22, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Pill making some MLB monies with a career as a pinch-hitter/defensive replacement.
If “hating” a guy consists of believing he can make a couple mil as a player, then I’m full of hate.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 22, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Peguero
I’m really surprised about Peguero. He’s only been in the US leagues for two seasons and prior to that two seasons in the DSL. That would have him coming into our system at 18 in 2006. Had he been an American teen drafted in ‘06 he wouldn’t be eligible for Rule 5, and I thought Latin American signees had even longer protected status yet. Color me confused on that one.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 21, 2009 6:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's actually been in the system for a while
I think he was a signed in something like 2004 or 2005, but was hurt for the first year or two.
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by tedfordfan on Nov 21, 2009 7:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. I couldn’t find a sign date for him in any of the usual places, so I assumed his first year in the DSL was his first year with us. Thanks.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 21, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Peguero but I’m wondering if the hype around him is Adrianza lite.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think the hype on both is ridiculous. Adrianza = the latin Bocock. Peguero is Andres Torres.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 21, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes the hype makes total sense. After all it’s the Giants organization that is the originator of the hype. They’re high on all 4 of the people you just named.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 21, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabes was going to do some actual scouting
But he got high, but he got high, but he got high.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 21, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adrianza is a much better prospect than Bocock ever was. Age makes a difference. Adrianza has a lot more time to develop physically.
by Dan from NM on Nov 21, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
any guesses on who we could lose in the Rule 5 draft?
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a team take a flier on Craig Whitaker to see if he can make their roster as a reliever.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 21, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think we’ll lose McBryde or Snyder.
by nelson95 on Nov 21, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Craig Whitaker is a minor league FA as of this week. No need for anyone to take a Rule 5 flier on him. That said, there’s no way in hell he could make a major league roster.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 21, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
other guys dropped from minor league contracts
san jose giants site had a story a few days ago on the guys given free agency:
Mike Musgrave, Trey Webb and Craig Whitaker,
more pitchers Kelyn Acosta, Matt Kinney, Osiris Matos, Kelvin Pichardo, Ronnie Ray and Ryan Sadowski,
catchers Steve Holm and Todd Jennings, infielder Jake Wald and outfielder Mike Mooney.
I am figuring Matos was procedural or something and he will come back to us as minor league free agent. Maybe Webb too, as we have had him several years and Giants supervised his journey from shortstop to mound. And I expect Holm to be back. But…other teams can wave dollars at them.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Nov 21, 2009 4:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like Holm and Matos. Don’t care so much about the others.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EME still has another year, I’m guessing.
At least he’s guaranteed a place besides Dodd.
by DesertFox on Nov 21, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EME was eligible last year and not taken. He won’t be taken this year either.
by nelson95 on Nov 22, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From Giants Twitter
Giants prospect Darren Ford was robbed at gunpoint in Vineland, NJ. He was taking a deposit to the DMV from his offseason car dealership job
Hope hes ok
(insert Ford works for car dealership joke here)
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 24, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
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by Natto on Nov 24, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our prospects have lousy luck recently.
by xanthan on Nov 24, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NEED MOAR IN SYSTEM
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vineland isn’t even all that bad, IIRC
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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