Giants add four to 40-man roster
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 7:00 PM PST
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Friday was the deadline to submit reserve lists and the Giants protected four players from the Rule 5 draft, adding 1B Brett Pill, OF Francisco Peguero, OF Darren Ford and RHP Kevin Pucetas to the 40-man roster.
Pill, a leftright-handed hitter, worked with new hitting coach Roberto Kelly Hensley Meulens earlier this month at AT&T Park and his inclusion was not a surprise after a banner year at Double-A Connecticut. He wasn’t considered a top prospect out of Cal State Fullerton and he’s still got to prove himself at every level, but he’s hit gobs of doubles while thriving in two pitcher’s parks (Connecticut’s Dodd Stadium, and two years earlier, Augusta’s ballpark). He’s also rated a better defensive first baseman than Travis Ishikawa, which is a nice compliment.
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Brett Pill isn’t very good. There, I said it.
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Neither is Ford.
Pucetas isn’t any great shakes either, but at least he actually stands a chance of sticking on a major league roster for a season, which I can’t say of Ford or Pill.
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I thought I recalled reading here that Ford’s season took off after he gave up switch hitting.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I hope Brett Pill doesn’t read this.
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
I’m sure he has way more important things to do than to check out blogs, and after how hard he has worked to get where he is, I really doubt if he cares about your opinion of him. Seems like there a “few” people on here who actually called this. I think they must be more informed than some of you other posters.
by flyonthewall on Nov 20, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Obsessions are fun.
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And people say I'm obsessed with Kim Batiste
flyonthewall’s total comments: 186
Use of the word ‘Pill’: 54
That’s 29%. And that doesn’t even include comments like the one above, where he discusses him but doesn’t name him!
Mentions of ‘Batiste’ make up about .003% of my comments, by the way!
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Isn’t it because you have 4,500,589 posts?
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Well, yes. But flyonthewall has managed to talk about Pill as often as I’ve talked about Batiste in a tiny fraction of the time/comments, is the point.
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But jcb9, I just figured that over half the time, when you typed “batiste” you really meant to say “artiste” or “baptist” or “baste” or “bastille day” instead.
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Good call. My son WAS born on Bastille Day!
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Thanks Brett Pill's Mom!
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 20, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a good one. I’m sure his family has more important things to do as well.
by flyonthewall on Nov 20, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Dining with Hugo
Apparently the kid is hacking his way thru Venezuela this winter. Read the box score today and saw Pill hit another HR and a double. Two more ribbies for the RBI Machine.
Let Pillapalooza commence!!!
Todd Linden, age 25: .321 / .437 / .682, 30 HR in 415 PA
Brett Pill, age 25: .298 / .348 / .480, 19 HR in 581 PA
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Believe a Bowker/Pill comp might be a little more appropriate. We can compare their AA seasons in the same Eastern League.
The rap on Pill prior to the 2009 season was that he did not have power. The buzz was that if/when he ever converted those doubles into HRs he would arrive as a prospect. Believe Pill arrived as a prospect in 2009.
He now needs to build on his success in the same way John Boy Bowker did. Hitting in the hitter friendly PCL should improve on Pill’s power numbers. If so then he could be knocking on MLB door.,
Bowker in Connecticut: .307 / .363 / .523, 22 HR in 587 at bats.
He was better than Pill across the board and almost a year younger. Plus not being a first baseman helps. Although the Giants tried to make him into one.
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587 PAs, not ABs.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yes I know their numbers. And their career paths. Both were thought to be underperforming and then had their breakout seasons in AA. Bowker then followed up his big AA with a very nice AAA season. Pill needs to follow that same successful path.
"Pill is hacking his way through Venezuela"
If we’re not excited about Nate Schierholtz hitting .522 this winter, Brett Pill’s two homeruns isn’t going to get us going.
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they clearly haven’t figured out how to pitch at Nate yet.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 21, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t understand all this “he’s a better defender than Ishikawa” stuff.
From what I’ve heard, he was mediocre at best until this year, when his fielding percentage skyrocketed.
Wonderful. As if fielding percentage were anything close to an accurate representation of fielding ability.
Lethargy
It has me
Nah, his glove was his best attribute even in college.
However, the notion that he “thrived” in Augusta two years ago (.265/.317/.410 with MLEs of .184/.216/.280) is just journalistic fiction.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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I’ve always kinda liked Snyder but it looks like the Giants took him out of the rotation this year. He was pretty tough on left-handed batters.
They did take him out of the rotation...
…but that’s all the more reason to protect him. Easier to hide a reliever off of a Rule 5 draft.
It was a solid move for Snyder. He averaged nearly 2 1/2 innings a stint in relief, which is fairly long, and he finished the season with four consecutive starts. That also makes it hard to judge his starting stints. As a starter, he allowed 15 earned runs in 26 1/3 innings (5 starts). As a reliever, he allowed 16 earned runs in 70 2/3 innings (29 relief appearances).
I like Snyder. A lot. He’s also someone I think is the most likely to be taken in the Rule 5 draft.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 21, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
just like Steven Colbert
the Ginats don’t see color.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 20, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Pedro Feliz is the new hitting coach?
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 20, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
We’re all the new hitting coach.
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I told Nate to swing at everything – was that wrong?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
hm
I guess I don’t actually know who Pill is. I always thought of this video I saw of a guy hitting, but he was right-handed, so now I don’t know who that actually is.
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Pill is indeed a RHH. Poppy Baggs must have played an early round of golf and has been at the 19th hole since Happy Hour began
can we call him
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I think I’m officially going to select Darren Ford as my minor leaguer that I irrationally expect great things from this year.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I like FordTorres, too. If his defensive rep is real, he doesn’t have to hit a ton to be useful in CF.
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And we would have gotten some kind of return from the Durham trade.
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from what I observed in the 7 San Jose games I saw this year (gigantic sample size) Ford looked like a MLB center fielder
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 21, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
VROOOOOOOOOOM!!!
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I am a big fan of the VRRROOOM when it comes with actual baseball skills!
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I can understand why people may not excited about Pillapalooza however do not understand why they would be excited about Darren Ford. Yes Pill is a year older but he also has been successful at a higher level of play than Ford . The 2009 season was the THIRD season Ford has played at the Hi A level.
VROOOOM!
Like you, I’m a big fan of good CF defense. I’m also more apt to believe in a late-bloomer if it’s coupled with good athleticism.
I wouldn’t even go so far as to claim that Ford even warrants being believed in at this point. He’s done just enough to show that he has a shot of reaching his upside.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Ford gets walks too. I ran through the Giants minor league system and he was one of three Giants who had OBP more than 90 points higher than his average (excluding short-season play). The athleticism is a plus, obviously, as something that doesn’t drop off as you ascend leagues. I would put him above Pill on the excitement level for these reasons, but I’m not excited excited.
Lethargy
It has me
Well in their minor league careers so far they’ve hit around the same (Ford has a slightly higher wOBA) with Ford having a much higher walk rate and Pill having a much higher strikeout rate. People will value Ford higher because a CF with great defense is much more valuable than a 1B with great defense if they are similar hitters.
Personally I’m not all that excited about either of them, but Ford is a lot more interesting than Pill.
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I have to believe that if Sabean signs two FAs, the first to go off the 40-man is Bocock. I mean, he has to be.
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It sounds like you are trying to apply LOGIC to the Giants use of the 40 man roster. Let me know how that works out for you… I’ve never had much luck with it.
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I dunno. You’d think so, but it’s been like a year and a half, and he’s already dropped about 15 guys ahead of Bocock.
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If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
He’d all like to believe that. I simply don’t anymore. Bocock will never go away.
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I was worried that Ford would be exposed to the Rule 5 draft. So, I’m pleased with these additions.
I think Snyder’s likely to get taken but I’m okay with that.
I really think there’s a chance that Ford is figuring things out, so I’m pleased that the Giants may feel the same way.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 20, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions
So if they protected these guys,
who are they leaving unprotected that might be a surprise to us?
Responsible for the last great homegrown Giants team.
That leaves
anyone not on the 40-man roster who has been in the organization for at least 4 years if signed at age 19 or older, or 5 years if signed at age 18 or younger.
(I think)
by KrazyKrabMeat on Nov 20, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Any younger and rosterbating about them is just… wrong.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
sorry
should read the threads a………….bit……………more……………..slowly………..before I post.
Skinny cooks?
I don't trust em.
Roster now at 39
Prior to adding the four players the Giants roster was set at 35 players. There are a couple of pitchers and position players on the bubble.
I was worried about Neal given he was a 36th rounder in the 2005 draft, but hadn’t realized he was a draft-and-follow and didn’t end up signing until 2006 (and I presume short season doesn’t count as the 4th full year in the organization.)
As I have said many times before, they gotta do something about the 40 man and make decisions on the Frandsens and Lewises of the world.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
There’s something about San Francisco and Bococks
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by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
I was wondering who they took off the 40-man roster. Kind of assumed it could Bocock and a few others.
by flyonthewall on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
They already had the space because of the folks who’ve filed for free agency, I believe.
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Yes – Molina/Aurilia/Johnson/Miller are gone, and I may be missing someone else.
Today’s moves are all about the Rule V draft; I believe the 20th is the last day to protect someone, and then you always want to have at least one spot open if you want to claim another player.
Where it gets more interesting because of their mess of 40 man management is what happens if they’ve offered arbitration to Molina and he accepted. I don’t think he’d go back on their until the arb session, which presumably if they have a brain would be after the draft proper (which is like the 10th or 11th.) Someone more versed in roster mechanics can probably clear that up.
It’s unlikely we’ll see any FA signings now until after the draft, since Bocock clearly has something on Sabean in his black book.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
Howry, Winn, Penny, and Uribe are also Free Agents.
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I thought Medders was too, but he’s not on Cot’s. I guess he doesn’t have the service time.
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Lowry Too.
We finished the season with 44 (four of which were on 60 Day DL). 9 were eligable and filed for free agency (Johnson, Penny, Lowry, Howry, Miller, Molina, Aurilia, Uribe, and Winn) taking us down to 35. Thus adding these four takes us ot 39.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
One can never have too many players that can’t OPS more than your winning %.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 20, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think he gets 5 years.
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by say hey nation on Nov 23, 2009 6:30 AM PST up reply actions
Roberto Kelly Hitting Coach? Since when?
The Marlins are having problems coming to grips with their 25 year old pitching ace, J. Johnson. He will be a free agent on or after 2011.
I would say I don’t understand the hate on Pill but I do. We all have been hurt so thoroughly before. Me, I’m interested, more than I ever was by Ishikawa. But I’m a romantic.
I don’t think anyone hates Pill. I just don’t think he’s any good, for about a million reasons.
One of which being that he’s not very good.
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I also don’t hate Pill, I just don’t think he has much going for him or that he’s the 1B OF TEH FUTURE!
I like how people always automatically think we hate someone if we don’t consider them a viable option for the major league team.
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For example, if I met Julio Izturis, I would totally get into a fight with him solely because I don’t think he will ever be a productive major leaguer.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
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the hate on Pil
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It’s not hating on someone to realize that his upside is present-day Ishikawa. Which means, as soon as Ishikawa is making more than the league minimum, he’ll be cut and Pill will replace him.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
I could see Pill making some MLB monies with a career as a pinch-hitter/defensive replacement.
If “hating” a guy consists of believing he can make a couple mil as a player, then I’m full of hate.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Peguero
I’m really surprised about Peguero. He’s only been in the US leagues for two seasons and prior to that two seasons in the DSL. That would have him coming into our system at 18 in 2006. Had he been an American teen drafted in ‘06 he wouldn’t be eligible for Rule 5, and I thought Latin American signees had even longer protected status yet. Color me confused on that one.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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He's actually been in the system for a while
I think he was a signed in something like 2004 or 2005, but was hurt for the first year or two.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
Interesting. I couldn’t find a sign date for him in any of the usual places, so I assumed his first year in the DSL was his first year with us. Thanks.
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I like Peguero but I’m wondering if the hype around him is Adrianza lite.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Which makes the hype makes total sense. After all it’s the Giants organization that is the originator of the hype. They’re high on all 4 of the people you just named.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Sabes was going to do some actual scouting
But he got high, but he got high, but he got high.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
any guesses on who we could lose in the Rule 5 draft?
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a team take a flier on Craig Whitaker to see if he can make their roster as a reliever.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 21, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions
Craig Whitaker is a minor league FA as of this week. No need for anyone to take a Rule 5 flier on him. That said, there’s no way in hell he could make a major league roster.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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other guys dropped from minor league contracts
san jose giants site had a story a few days ago on the guys given free agency:
Mike Musgrave, Trey Webb and Craig Whitaker,
more pitchers Kelyn Acosta, Matt Kinney, Osiris Matos, Kelvin Pichardo, Ronnie Ray and Ryan Sadowski,
catchers Steve Holm and Todd Jennings, infielder Jake Wald and outfielder Mike Mooney.
I am figuring Matos was procedural or something and he will come back to us as minor league free agent. Maybe Webb too, as we have had him several years and Giants supervised his journey from shortstop to mound. And I expect Holm to be back. But…other teams can wave dollars at them.
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by say hey nation on Nov 25, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Vineland isn’t even all that bad, IIRC
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