Why don't wins count anymore? - STLtoday.com
"If won-loss records are suddenly obsolete, why do we bother to keep the stat?"
Ding ding ding. And if 8-tracks are suddenly obsolete, why does "Close to the Edge" sound so sweet in my Vega?
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 24, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
mind-numbing, highfalutin’ brain twister.
Please put your hands in the air and back away from your thesaurus.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions
Apparently I have been misled for all these years. Here I was thinking that guys who win 18, 19, 20 or 25 games were some kind of special. I always figured that a guy who was able to go out on the mound every five days and pretty much guarantee his team a victory was one of those Cy Young-type hurlers everyone dreams about. Now I find out that I am wrong. Baseball’s new wave of deep thinkers and pseudo-intellectuals have told me so loud and clear with the voting in this year’s Cy Young awards.
Jeez, I hate this guy.
New Age Thinking! Pass the crystals and incense!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
f I lived in Dallas I would have a problem with this NL vote, so don’t tell me I’m a homer. And as evidence of that, please refer to my NL manager of the year ballot where I voted for Colorado’s Jim Tracy over Tony La Russa with no hesitation (La Russa was second on my ballot).
/Calls him a Homer
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions
Wow
Don’t tell me i’m a homer, i voted for that guy once! (And my hometown guy second)
Please, Tracy had Manager of the Year so locked up that if you voted against him you probably like the Zito deal, but great job voting for your hometown guy second… takes balls man.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 20, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Really going out on a limb with his manager of the year award, and award where it’s hard to find any real arguments for or against an opinion…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I read that, and threw my post-it stack against the wall. This guy’s terrible logic shines through his awful writing.
by CaliforniaBone on Nov 20, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
With that logic, then none of us posters who live outside of SF can ever be called homers.
Maybe he will be able to explain why the world is flat.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 20, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Comments are also pretty choice
" ‘As for the win total of each pitcher: I ignored that, because, as I’ve said for years, it tells us nothing useful about how well the pitcher performed’. Keith Law’s own words.So if someone besides Lincecum won 30 games this year, which has not been done since 1968, Keith Law would not have voted for him?How does this guy have a job with ESPN?"
Come on, 30-game winners are a dime-a-dozen these days. Of course Law wouldn’t recognize it.
This is the best
In his last 10 starts, the San Francisco ace was only 3-4 with a 3.15 ERA. I’m sorry, but that has to mean something, doesn’t it? If won-loss records are suddenly obsolete, why do we bother to keep the stat?
Now look at what Wainwright and Carpenter did. Let’s start with Wainwright, who had the most wins in the NL with his 19-8 record. In games that he started, the Cards won 23 contests. Over the final three months of the season, Wainwright had an 11-3 record with a stunning 1.90 ERA. In Wainwright’s last 11 starts, the Cards lost one game. All of this was done in the heat of a push to the postseason.
Carpenter was equally dominant, with a 10-1 record (2.06 ERA) in his last 15 starts after the all-star break, and the team won 18 games when he was a starter.
WTF? Can’t you keep one track of thought…last 10 starts=/= to last three months=/= to last 15 starts of someone who missed 6 starts
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by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:11 AM PST reply actions
the 1st part is especially egregious
In his last 10 starts, the San Francisco ace was only 3-4 with a 3.15 ERA. I’m sorry, but that has to mean something, doesn’t it? If won-loss records are suddenly obsolete, why do we bother to keep the stat?
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by Giant Voodoo on Nov 20, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Epic
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I think the outrage is hilarious.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 20, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions
This guy really won me over at the end here, because obviously the best way to punctuate one’s point about a situation in baseball is by quoting a football coach.
not only that, but Herm Edwards made those comments because he was accused of doing just the opposite. The NY media was constantly all over him because he would blow leads late because he would try to run out the clock or play that pussy prevent defense that would allow the opposition to march down the field and beat his team.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
This wasn't my interpretation
This speech came in the wake of a defeat that left the Jets at 2-5 and seemingly with little hope of making the playoffs. He was responding to a question on the order of, “Now that you’re essentially out of the playoffs, do you think your team will give up?” He was essentially saying that every game is important in and of itself, whether you have anything (beyond the game itself) to play for.
Interestingly, the Jets got hot after that and actually ended up making the playoffs anyway.
He really won me over at the beginning with the “clutching their spreadsheets” line.
Gee, I really need a spreadsheet to keep track of ERA, K, BB, IP, WHIP, and BAA.
THESE ARE THE ADVANCED STATS THAT WON THE CY YOUNG
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
This was a lazily written, poorly informed tantrum by an obvious homer, from the nonsensical start to the Herm-Edwards-quote finish.
I’ll see his outrage over the Cy Young, and raise him my outrage over his shitty writing.
by oneflapdown on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
DONT CALL HIM A HOMER!
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by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Ack. Jeez, he even said that, didn’t he? Boy is my face red. Cardinal red. Hey, speaking of Cardinals…
by oneflapdown on Nov 20, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
My dot matrix is spitting out the spreadsheets as we speak.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
/clutches my spreadsheet
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 20, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Got ’em all printed out on mah bedsheets
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
suck it st. looey
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions
WE DON'T COUNT THEM BECAUSE THEY AREN'T AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF THE VALUE A PITCHER BROUGHT TO A TEAM
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
As an aside
Is anyone else surprised by the lack of action at Viva El Birdos or is the McCoven a rarity? If Tim would have lost, there would have been a lot of action here but there isn’t even a post up over there. I find this strange. Does this me we are the lunatic fringe after all?
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 20, 2009 10:13 AM PST reply actions
They accepted Tim’s win and moved on. I got the impression they expected Tim to win but would have been happily suprised if Carp won.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 20, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
What’s this moved on you speak of? We still have 100+ comments when talking about the Benetiz signing and but they are already over this?
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 20, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
BENETIZ YEARGH
/swings glass of water at the wall
by chilibean_3 on Nov 20, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
They probably don’t even eat lunch over there!
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They probably don’t work over there! (I generally go on this site during work…)
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
They probably don’t even know what a burrito is!
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Something to do with donkeys?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
a lot of their rule 5 post is dominated by CY comments. They seemed to have largely took it in stride, like smart fans would.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Would there have been an uproar here? Personally, I know I wouldn’t have been surprised/terribly upset if it went to any of the three.
Of course I’m glad it went to Timmeh, though.
Yeah, but we still would have had a 1,000+ discussion breaking down each start they made and talking about how the BBWAA is a bunch of old fogies.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 20, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I honestly didn’t expect Lincecum to win, and would have been fine if Carpenter or Wainwright did.
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by can of corn on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno about Wainwright. Carpenter, sure. Wainwright? Not so sure that would be acceptable.
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
In terms of value Carpenter and Wainwright were almost exactly the same. Carpenter pitched quite a bit better, but Wainwright pitched quite a bit more. Both matter.
I am aware they both matter. I dunno if I’m completely on board with the end result being equal, though…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
That's fair
But if you think about averaging Carpenter’s performance with six starts of replacement-level ptiching, he doesn’t compare nearly so favorably to Wainwright.
I dunno. The award is for “most outstanding pitcher.” It’s not as though there’s a concrete definition for that.
I know the point you’re making – Carp + replacement players that pitched the innings he didn’t and Wainwright did basically equals Wainwright, I just think the difference might be bigger than FIP indicates. The difference in their ERA and tRA were both larger than their difference in FIP, so I think there may be a chance FIP is valuing them closer than they their actual performance was.
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
The would have been a quasi epic freak-out I suspect.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I would’ve been okay with Carpenter winning. Not so much with Wainwright.
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I don't understand this
Carpenter was the better pitcher, but he also missed six starts.
WAR has them basically identical. But nobody except Keith Law is using that as an argument.
People who supported Carpenter were all, “OMG ERA!!!!”
People who supported Wainwright were all, “OMG WINZ!!!!!”
I’d rather OMG ERA win than OMG WINZ.
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I feel like there’s a respectable argument that Carpenter was as good as Lincecum, he just missed some time. Just like like Lincecum can’t control that he had a worse defense than Carp, Carpenter isn’t the boss of his oblique muscles (which is a really tough injury to come back from!)
I don’t really see the argument for Wainwright at all.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
The defense thing was key to Law’s argument. The Cards’ infield D was totally boss this year. The Giants’? Well, not so much.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I’m hoping I can get Law to explain the defense argument more, though. Our OF D was pretty good, and Lincecum is a fly ball pitcher (though maybe not as much as I thought looking at the numbers?). We had the 5th best UZR/150 in the league, much better than the Cardinals, the main reason for that is our OF – which, similar to how infield D should affect Carp and Wainwright to a higher proportion because of their GB’s, OF D should affect Lincecum to a somewhat higher proportion, right?
Two notes: I wonder if Lincecum’s low HR/FB is a skill, is bound to regress, or is just a park aided number. Second, while searching for Cain on Fangraphs as a comparison, I discovered there was an actual baseball player named Sugar Cain.
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
I was expecting one of the Cardinals to win, so I wouldn’t have really said too much.
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I was, too.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
if it had gone to Carp, I would have been disappointed, but not outraged.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Viva El Birdos
Is anyone else surprised by the lack of action at Viva El Birdos or is the McCoven a rarity? If Tim would have lost, there would have been a lot of action here but there isn’t even a post up over there. I find this strange.
Their headline post is about it, with 700+ responses. Maybe you were missed it because all you can see from the home page is the Joe Jackson metaphor/parable.
Lots of like-minded geeks there. Calmed me down from the looney tuners agreeing with the columnist nutjob.
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by achiappanza on Nov 20, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
This just in: World is changing. Some continue to evolve, some live in St. Louis.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
That's funny
But it’s inaccurate (not that that’s any particular reason to avoid using it). Kansas City is the cowtown in Missouri. St. Louis, not so much.
If it’s not a cowtown, there must be one nearby, cause they had no problem scoring cowbells in a moments notice in ’87.
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When I’m in St. Louis, I keep track of time by the calf-hour.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I’m sorry, but STATS aside, I just don’t understand how anyone watches baseball regularly can think that Pitcher Wins tell you much about a pitcher’s performance. It’s not like bad run support, bullpen kerplosions and defensive Eugenioness are all uncommon occurrences.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
True dat
Before I knew anything about advanced stats I only looked at ERA. I never even understood why they kept track of pitchers’ wins.
This was me, as well. If a middle-schooler can deduce that wins are rather useless, it can’t be that hard.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
OMG WAINWIRGHT WENT 1 and 3 OVER HIS LAST 4 GAMES!!!!!111 IF HAD WON ALL 4 THE CARDS WOULD HAVE HAD HOMEFIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:16 AM PST reply actions
He probably did.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Tim should have had one flap down all during his Cy Young press conference.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 20, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions
TWOFPS
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
No, wait, TWOFDS
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
lol comments
I asked Keith Law if he would vote for a 30 game winner on twitter. He said “your telling me nothing about how he pitched”. No Joke. So I asked if a 400 batting avg would be MVP worthy? His responce… A .400 avg is only a partial picture. Batting average, wins … it’s 2009, Jeff. There are better ways to value performance
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by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions
if you bat .400 over a full season, it’s pretty hard to imagine a situation where you aren’t the MVP. But who cares? We aren’t talking about guys who won 30 games we’re talking about guys who won 12-18. If a statistic needs such an extreme result to give you the right answer, it’s not much fucking use, is it?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
people are stupid
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
If Bengie Molina hit .400 for an entire season, there’s a small chance that his OBP would exceed .300.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Crazy talk
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
He would be on the Giants, after all.
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The irony here, of course, is that the last player to hit .400 actually DIDN’T win the MVP.
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hitting streaks are more informative.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 15, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t finish.
AND I was skimming.
Trying to read that was a terrible experience.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
I read it as a comedy. I have to get as much entertainment as possible before I have a session with torture at 10:30 tonight…
…I have to see New Moon.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
the things you do so you have ammo in your belt when you want to watch baseball.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
My ladyfriend is a fan. I’m so glad she’s nice enough to not want me to watch them. I’ll watch a bad cliche chick flick but not that shit.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 20, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Why the fuck?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, there should have been a comma after the first word there.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
i c wt u did thr
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I just recently heard about the first movie, which apparently has vampire baseball in it.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
DO NOT BE LURED!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a CARP!
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wow I seriously lol’d
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No longer a Carp :(
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by Norm Median on Nov 20, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
They can only play when it rains because TEH SOUND OF THERE STRONG HITTING SOWNDS LIEK THUNDER!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
It was unintentionally laugh-out-loud funny. When I saw it in the theatre, the people in my vicinity were getting mad at me.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I laughed out loud to the new one’s preview when the guy exploded into a wolf.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 20, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I busted up laughing at the lab seen when the guy stares at her like a piece of meet. He looks just like my Shih Tzu dog.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
WHY ARE THEY EVEN IN HIGH SCHOOL ANYWAY? FUCK IT DOESN’T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
B/C IT MAKES THEM MOVE EVERY FOUR YEARS!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Have you ever seen the Anime series bleach?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Imagine them playing baseball, but instead of them picture ugly white people doing the anime moves.
…the one nice thing is. Ashley Greene is hot, I like looking at her.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
If you like anume the I suggest it. I don’t and it was cool.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Anume sounds dirty…
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Anume is overrated.
Well, some of it is unrated.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Sheesh...it was a typo. Get over it.
Clearly, Sey Hey meant anusme.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 20, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
some time I wish I could take the nation off my name
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Sadly, it has too much filler now.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I haven’t seen it since about season 5 or 6
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Natto used to have an icon of Rukia.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I can’t deny it.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Bunnies!
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Some of the battles where pretty epic. It also had a really cool concept.
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by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
lol @ 少年アニメ
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 24, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll summarize me talking to some friends who like Twilight (causing me to seriously reevaluate the company I keep).
Baron: Man Twilight is a bunch of crap.
Friend: Oh but you’d like it! There’s a scene where they play baseball! :D :D :D
Baron: ….
Friend: ?
Baron: That’s offensive to me as a writer, a baseball fan, and an unfortunate member of the female species.
Friend: D:
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Oh Jesus. Twilight is offense to me in like, eight different ways.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
When you have to see it, keep this in mind. Subtext!
by The GD Batman on Nov 23, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
“The guys I was going up against, Wainwright and Carpenter, had tremendous seasons,” Lincecum said. “I didn’t know how the cards were going to fall. It was a lucky one for me. I’ll take them as they come I guess.”
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE, TIM!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 20, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions
YES
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
This comment from Extra Baggs sums it up for me
The root of the problem, as others have pointed out before, is that the statistic is called "wins." It needs a less grandiose name, like, how about: "Starts Where Your Offense Scored Enough Runs to Win the Game While You Were Pitching."
Something tells me those old barnicles in the BWAA would think less highly of Adam Wainwright if he’d finished the year with 19 SWYOSERTWTGWYWPs.
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Tyler Graham is my favorite San Jose Giant because he has smart balls.
That’s exactly the line of reasoning I try to use against my dad, and it still doesn’t work.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
My new argument is it’s easy enough to show offense matters more than pitching to wins. Winning the game comes down to 2 things – runs scored and runs allowed. The offense is responsible for 50% of wins. The pitcher and defense split the other 50%…so a pitchers contributes less than 50% to wins, and less than offense. That’s a simple enough line of reasoning to understand, right?
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
He understands it. It’s like he follows my argument, agreeing with every little bit, but then at the end goes “But at the end of the day, a win is a win!” or something inane like that.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Or you could just put wins on a spreadsheet. That’ll shut ’em up.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Dear lord, this was painful to read.
Look, I think Lincecum is a heck of a pitcher, arguably the most gifted hurler in baseball. But I always thought the Cy Young was intended to honor the pitcher with the best season, not necessarily to reward the guy who has the best stuff.
THESE TWO ITEMS ARE CONNECTED.
Ignoring the picture of the author this is what I was picturing in my head [WARNING: BIG PICTURE IS BIG]:
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Thats the one point I can understand
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
its just that Tim was both this year.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
classic quotes from the 30 seconds that involve this scene...
no, we’ll hang on to those
freemasons rule the world!
i said, hop in
thats an impressive model, sir.
model?
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
OUTRAGE WEST COAST HEALTH CARE BALLON BOY SMUCKERS
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
IN LIMP-WRISTED SF THEY CARE MORE ABOUT WINES THAN WINS
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
THIS CABERNET FRANC IS SIMPLY DIVINE AND IT'S VORW IS OFF THE CHARTS
HINTS OF COCOA WITH A FRUITY YET NUTTY FINISH
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU
I HAVE A DICK IN MY EAR
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
OH HUSH!! I'M ALMOST FINISHED!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 20, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
That was one of the best episodes of the entire series, in terms of humor and writing.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
One thing I take away from that article:
If you do not want your blood pressure to reach boiling point, do not read the comments.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions
More comments
As for the win total of each pitcher: I ignored that, because, as I’ve said for years, it tells us nothing useful about how well the pitcher performed". Keith Law’s own words.So if someone besides Lincecum won 30 games this year, which has not been done since 1968, Keith Law would not have voted for him?How does this guy have a job with ESPN?" You answered your own question, Jeffrey. It’s ESPN. Especially Slanted Potsmokers Network.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions
As if ESPN was something so worthy to be protected by the likes of KLaw.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Seriously!
1- ESPN Sucks
2- KLaw, probably the best guy there doesn’t deserve to be there?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
That was my line of thinking, too. I think this guy is right, how does someone that’s actually knowledgeable have a job with ESPN…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
KLaw > Neyer >>>>>> Bill Simmons >>> everyone else >>>>>>>>>>> WOchigjwosdiski (how the hell do you spell that idiot’s name?)
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Todd McShay, Ted Miller, and Steve Muench = awesome, too.
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Those guys are okay, too. I’d put them between Neyer and Simmons. I ranked Simmons, not because he’s good at sports analysis (except for maybe the NBA), but because he’s one of their few writers who writes like he enjoys sports and the only one who writes about being a fan.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Simmons is a good writer and a funny, passionate fan. I don’t get all the hate he gets.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
This
Eli Whiteside : Catching no-no's and hitting grand slams
by BleedBlackNOrange on Nov 23, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
By the way, has anyone read any of his new book? I’m actually interested in it, I feel his Boston love/pop culture love won’t be in a book (or will at least be toned down heavily)….and so it could actually be good, and from what I’ve heard (which isn’t a lot, but still), it’s supposed to be really good.
by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I just like them because they’re fellow alumni of my fine college. I also dislike Simmons. Looking down, I see oldjacket doesn’t understand it. Well, first, the “OMG BOSTON IS AWESOME” gets old. We get it, he’s a fan, yet I don’t particularly care about Boston (I actually strongly dislike Boston, had 4 different Red Sox fans as roommates in college)…don’t need it thrown in my face even more on ESPN. Anyways, I can get by that. It’s his constant pop culture references that really get to me. If you took out those two things, you’d be left with about 5% of what he writes. I just don’t care about any of the pop culture crap. So yeah…Simmons has 0 appeal to me.
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
See, I love the pop culture references. I guess it’s just the way I think about the world. I have a feeling my references are a little more esoteric than Simmons’, but it’s a similar way of thinking. If you don’t think referentially, I can easily understand why you’d dislike Simmons.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I don’t know if it’s as much the way of thinking about it as the subjects he’s referencing. I’m just not that into pop culture – I’m not that into tv, I’m not a big movie buff, I could give two shits about someone just being famous – I think most famous people are uninteresting and pretty dumb in general…so it’s just subject matter I don’t follow or care about…
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Yeah!
As we all know, it’s the WEST FUCKING COAST that always gets favorable treatment on ESPN. Holy shit.
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Tell us more, enlightened Cardinals' fan!
It’s like their dissecting a cyborg instead of looking at the stats of a human being… really creepy.
By inference, they say that now, after 100 plus years of baseball, only Sabermetrics are valid in evaluating a players performance..
I think most realistic baseball people know how ridiculous this faddish assumption really is..
It seems as if a group of weak mined people are willing to jump on the “bandwagon dejour” at the time, (which in this case appears to be using Sabermetrics to define players abilities and performance), and then disrespect others who dare question the validity or preeminence of this scientific mumbo-jumbo as being passe or out of touch with “modern baseball thinking”.
“What a joke…” Other than strikeouts, what possible reason would their be for Lincecum to have won the award this year over Carp or Waino..
Answer None… I hate it when people (in specific or general), are too weak in character to resist jumping on whatever bandwagon happens to be passing by at the time!
Carp and Waino got robbed…
Where the hell did this Waino stuff come from?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
It’s like their dissecting a cyborg instead of looking at the stats of a human being… really creepy.
Wait, what? How did stats become creepy? Sure, I can think of a lot of things that are creepy (Walrusman with a 6-pack of Mikes Hard Lemonade outside of a child’s daycare) but stats?
To be fair, kids hate the taste of beer and since they stopped making Sparks so tasty, hard lemonade was his only option.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
The one upside to drinking it was the magnificent color it had when it came back up. It’s not every day you get to projectile vomit neon orange.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 20, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Wow…the brother Mael making their McC debut?
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"And somebody's gonna Cy, but I can't reveal who..."
Cold beer and pretzels takes care of cancer.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Nov 20, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Uh! That’s David Wain’s nickname. PLAGIARISTS!
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Math is just a fad.
Also, Tim IS a cyborg.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I VOTED FER CY YOUNG WITH MY GUT
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
This is true
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by Natto on Nov 20, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 12 recs
Needs moar hair.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
As much as Grant brings to the table, what would this site be like without Natto.
Thank you, Natto.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 20, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
By inference, they say that now, after 100 plus years of baseball, only Sabermetrics are valid in evaluating a players performance..I think most realistic baseball people know how ridiculous this faddish assumption really is..
Well you better not try use any of the new fangled medicine stuff.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
BURN HIM!
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Actually your logic is to sound.
If you set him on fire and he survives, he is witch. Who must then be killed.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
SAUTE HIM!
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
“And they say that now, in Paris, France, even as we speak, Louis Pasteur has devised a new vaccine that will obliterate anthrax once and for all.”
One of the funniest movies of all time.
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
KINKY
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
FUCK FACE
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Bay City Ball: A Website For Bandwagoners
PS: I like the new design.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 20, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
You have a website?
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I saw it again while I was searching for the Cyborg Lincecum picture. It definitely stuck out.
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You may have been a good smuggler, but now you're Bantha fodder!
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
No mine won’t!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
scientific mumbo-jumbo
The same science that gave us evolution and global warming. I’m tellin you, mumbo-fuckin-jumbo.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
weak mined?
irrrrrrrroooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyyy
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently more people do bothering reading the comments than I thought…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
they have a post about this very column at VEB
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/11/20/1166269/joe-jackson-talks-briefly-to-a#comments
I particularly enjoy the comments from the awesomely named “Felonius Monk”.
They have a poster that uses the same Willi McGee avatar as SF Pete. It feels like the episode of The Simpsons where the kids meet their Shelbyville equivalents.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
It probably is more appropriate for a Cardinals blog but damn if that pic isn’t sweet.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
this is what it sounds like when doves cry
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 21, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
So who wants to bet that next week when Pujols wins the MVP all of these posters and probably this columnist will be praising all of the Stats he excelled in?
Oh spreadsheet, we can’t stay mad at you!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 20, 2009 10:42 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Oh spreadsheet, we can’t stay mad at you!
This made me LOL. Awesome!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 20, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
What a moron, wins are a TEAM stat, not a pitcher stat.
the only interesting thing about this debate is that I was surprised to learn on average the Giants scored that many runs per game when Lincecum started.
The San Francisco Giants must win at least one World Series before I die.
by vinScullySucks on Nov 20, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions
bandwagon dejour
That’s a band name waiting to happen.
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
HAW HAW
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
welcome! BASK IN THE ENJOYMENT!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
TOO MUCH JOY TO POST COHERENTLY
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Here's a mind-numbing highfalutin' brain twister for you:
It’s the last game of the 2009 season. You’ve got to win this game to get to the post season. You can start Wainwright, Carpenter, or Lincecum. Who do you choose?
by baseballjunkie on Nov 20, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions
Wainwright. duh. You’re trying to WIN the game!
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
i choose you, lincesaur!
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
the correct answer, actually...
is livian hernandez….livian hernandez
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
INNING EATER!!
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Salomón Torres?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Sanderson!!
DUSTY SHOULD’VE STARTED SCOTT SANDERSON!!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Can I take Timmy with the Cardinals' lineup?
The San Francisco Giants must win at least one World Series before I die.
by vinScullySucks on Nov 20, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Wainright, obviously!
You all and your nerdy nerd nerdiness! Here’s what it all boils down to:
Over the final three months of the season, Wainwright had an 11-3 record with a stunning 1.90 ERA. In Wainwright’s last 11 starts, the Cards lost one game. All of this was done in the heat of a push to the postseason.
THAT’S CY YOUNG MATERIAL!!! Just… Wain? Baby?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
write in candidate: Barry Zito
please giants...don't make me cry like I did in 02....
Well Timmy...you make me cry tears of joy.
Or another one
You are a Cards fan, who thinks “Waino” got robbed. The Cardinals are offered Tim Lincecum straight up in a trade. Do you advocate taking it? (Ages about the same, 25 to 27.)
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
by achiappanza on Nov 21, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Of Course Timmy, then Carpenter to close it out if necessary. Wainwright can park the cars outside the stadium.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Funny and stubborn man is funny and stubborn
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions
HA
Here’s another great bit:
WHY WAS ANYONE SUPRISED ?……AS BURWELL HAS DEMONSTRATED, SOME OF THESE “WRITERS” DO NOT LET FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF PUTTING THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS IN PRINT.
Moderator’s note: Just so you know: The job of a columnist is to put his personal opinion in print.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
As the kids say, “pwned”.
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At least he said the job of a “columnist” as opposed to “journalist”…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
My guess is that even LaRussa and Burwell would choose:
TIMMY!
by baseballjunkie on Nov 20, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions
If LaRussa was sober he would.
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Hooray for vaguely reasoned anti-intellectual claptrap!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
How am I supposed to find someone willing to go into that musty old claptrap?
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Call up Todd Palin.
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by satyricrash on Nov 20, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
/golf clap
Too bad howie won’t get it.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Too bad for you, maybe.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
MORANS!
Seriously though, how hasn’t that pic been posted yet?
by Lisa Stevens on Nov 20, 2009 11:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’m really surprised about how surprised Cardinals fans seem to be. It’s like it never occurred to them that Lincecum was even a candidate. The rest of us knew it was a three-man race, so why didn’t they!?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Also, LOL at the broadcaster at the beginning, who apparently only knows of three stats for pitchers: ERA, Wins, Winning Percentage.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
From reading Viva El Bridos thread it seems pretty clear that most of the Cardinal fans that are all up in arms are the equivalent of Giants fans who comment on sfgate.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
SECOND HALF SUCCESS
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Incidentally, second half OPS against
Lincecum: .559 (3 points lower than the first half!)
Carpenter: .604 53 points higher than the first half)
Wainwright: .617 (61 points lower than the first half)
OMG CARDS WERE ROBED!!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
LINCECUM CAME IN AND STOLE THE AWARD
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THE ROBE IS A LIE
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
It’s funny that this has rocked the core of St. Louis’ baseball world.
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Oh my
I can’t believe someone dropped “west coast bias.” Really?
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It should be interesting to hear the reception for Lincecum next season if he pitches in St. Louis.
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BEST FANS IN BASEBALL
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
i 
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions
Let's face it
Lincecum won despite the Bay Area writers not voting him first, it just proves that the rest of the NL writers knew who’s the MAN when it comes to pitching. The Cards’ fans should be happy hat they won a division title, went to the playoffs and…
won the title
won the pennant
won a series
won a game
Okay, I’ll be pretty angry too.
Win the inning.
I still would like him patrolling LF at the phone booth.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Can’t catch a ball with your penis, stupid!
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a common misconception, actually.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Damn it. Now you’ve got me trying to think of a viable way to catch a ball with ones penis. I am failing.
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
It’s all in the timing.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Penes.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
A girl's gotta have her standards...
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
+100000
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Take that St. Losers-
Strike 1 Mateo contract voided means no more Latin American free agents for next two generations (icing on the cake if Giants sign him and he’s good)
Strike 2 Embarassing post season performance
Strike 3 Lincecum win ruins holiday season
by baseballjunkie on Nov 20, 2009 11:40 AM PST reply actions
Nicely done
Randy’s line probably could have been better though.
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Yeah
but “puff puff PASS, randy!” made me laugh.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously!
The whole thing made me laugh, but what a great capper!
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
by achiappanza on Nov 21, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
‘secret bowl – 5 minutes’
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
at at&t ill mess u up
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
u go ahead ill pass
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Alright, but the quarterly reports for the last year haven’t been so hot. I don’t think you’re going to be happy.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
D-E-D, DED
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
You potentially missed a Robin Hood Men in Tights opportunity.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, you’re younger than my brother.
I still have a hard time processing that there are non-toddlers in the world who are younger than my brother.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
My sister was born in ‘88, so it’s not as difficult for me.
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Got to experience the 89 quake… don’t remember since i was a year old, but dad told me i was in my high chair while he was watching the game, and i roll right into the sliding glass door, hit my head, and all he was doing was bitching “fuck this, fuck that”
If I could watch movies before I was born, I’d have less catching up to do now.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Oh lord.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
STONER
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Oh man, every panini they make at Illy by where I work is delicious.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus people,
even TONY KORNHEISER AND MIKE WILBON agreed that Lincecum should have won. And they thought he didn’t have enough wins LAST YEAR.
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Why are you addressing Rocky fans?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
misplaced comma is misplaced
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Did they?
Because I just listened to the podcast of TK’s radio show and he said there is “no chance” Lincecum should have won the Cy Young. He of course, said Timmy only had 15 WINZ!
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Yeah
I just heard that too. On PTI they said it was the right call though. Weird.
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It’s probably because I’m a highfalutin’ pseudo-intellectual, but what I really found mind-numbing was the tortured syntax of his opening paragraph (I would say sentence, but as long as it is I’m not entirely sure it qualifies as one).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Heaven help me, I wrote that dumb columnist dude an email
So, you don’t think Tim Lincecum should win the Cy Young because “he faltered down the stretch when his team was in the playoff hunt.” I realize from your article that you find it new fangled and confusing to actually attempt to objectively analyze what goes on in games, so maybe you didn’t bother to check what Lincecum actually did in the second half. Even a cursory glance over the numbers shows that Lincecum pitched very well in the second half – arguably as well as or better than either Wainwright or Carpenter.
Yes, his won-loss record in that period wasn’t great. If you know anything about the Giants, you’d know why: their offense is terrible. Arguably, it was the worst offense in the National League – maybe the Major Leagues. The Giants scored almost 80 fewer runs this year than the Cardinals did. They had one good hitter on the team, Pablo Sandoval. Everyone else who was starting ranged from league average to terrible. It’s not exactly new-fangled brain-scratching highfallutin’ fancy talk to say that, when your team hardly ever scores a run, you’re not going to get a lot of wins and you’ll take some undeserving losses – after all, nobody can throw a shutout every start. It’s not brain surgery to realize that, if you have Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday in your lineup, it’s easier to get a win than if you have Bengie Molina hitting cleanup.
So, beyond win-loss, how does Lincecum’s second half look?
Well, he had a 2.67 ERA. That’s slightly higher than his first half ERA, but it’s still incredibly good. It’s essentially identical to Adam Wainwright’s season ERA – so, if Lincecum was “faltering” in the second half, apparently Wainwright sucked all year.
Beyond the ERA, he looks very good: he struck out batters at the same rate he did in the first half (and at a significantly higher rate than Carpenter or Wainwright did, by the way). He allowed slightly fewer baserunners in the second half than the first, too. He allowed 6 home runs – slightly, but not significantly, more than Wainwright (5) or Carpenter (3).
Are you familiar with the OPS stat? It’s On-Base Percentage plus Slugging Percentage. It’s a flawed stat, but it’s handy in quick-and-dirty analysis. Fr a hitter, an OPS of .800 is about average. 1.000 is great, below .700 is pretty bad. Conversely, the lower an OPS a pitcher allows, the better they’re doing. Check out the OPS allowed in the second half by Lincecum, Carpenter, and Wainwright:
Lincecum: .559
Carpenter: .604
Wainwright: .617
In other words: no, he wasn’t faltering: he simply wasn’t getting run support. Check out how many runs the Giants score in his second half losses:
September 25: 0
September 20: 2
September 3: 1
August 23: 2
August 7: 5
July 22: 2
July 17: 1
That’s an average, by the way, of 1.86 runs a game. Counting all Lincecum’s starts, the Giants scored 2 or fewer runs 9 times in 14 starts.
On the other hand, in Carpenter and Wainwright’s second half starts, how often did the Cardinals score 2 or fewer runs? Also 9 times, total – in 30 starts. See the difference?
That’s why you can’t just look at wins alone and determine how well someone pitched. And if that’s too highfalutin’ for you, well, you’re hopeless.
Josh
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by jcb9 on Nov 20, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah! Yes! Fuck Yes!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 20, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHA. The Bork head cracks me up every time.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Nov 20, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Nice email.
One thing, hopefully before you send it.
Fr a hitter, an OPS of .800
Probably “For a hitter”
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Even if he doesn’t understand OPS, look at batting average against in 2nd half:
Lincecum: .195
Carpenter: .246
Wainwright: .241
So, we can basically disprove his points even with a flawed, basic statistic that the average fan understands. Suck it, Russel Martin, mainstream media, St Louis, and spreadsheet haters
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I Hate Spreadsheets And I Approve This Email
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
Gotta like this part
“so, if Lincecum was "faltering" in the second half, apparently Wainwright sucked all year.”
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
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by achiappanza on Nov 21, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
The butthurt St, Louis guy has not responded.
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In my mind, a win is something a pitcher can’t control, how many times have we seen the giants not score a run, and the other team still win, just from having 1 run
way too often
I still remember that game 2 years ago where cain threw a 1 hitter against the padres-and lost
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There’s nothing to be angry about. Think about it this way: for once in you life, you are fighting a battle, and not only are you positive that you’re right, but you also know you’re going to win. It’s inevitable. Everybody knows it. Bryan Burwell knows it – that’s why he’s so upset.
Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
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:-) :-) :-)
I’m not angry, but I do find willful stupidity annoying.
Less so in baseball than in, say, politics. But still.
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Yea, but it is what it is man, as annoying as it might be, some people are just stupid… like me for example, i say stupid things, and can just be plain dumb, do i annoy you?
“I’d rather be killed by a terrorist right now than give a terrorist the chance to kill me… just, just take me now.”
Not an exact quote. But, man.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
deloleberative body
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
So basically, Chris Carpenter is going to take a swing at Tim Lincecum, but Lincecum will be the one who gets ejected? Dammit.
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Things I'm doing right now
1) Talking about baseball with y’all
2) Writing about Frederick Douglass for grad school applications.
Whee!
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Things I'm doing right now
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2) Chewing some gum
3) billing
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
You should write about how Fredrick Douglas found 200+ uses for peanuts!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
ProTip: Read Flashman and the Angel of the Lord
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 20, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
BTW
Since shaking my hand, Lincecum has gone on to win two Cy Young Awards. Coincidence? I think not!
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I’ll need to get vaccinations first.
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Ugh… Zito vacs are a pain. It’s a two-month process and you have to get the Duff booster on top of it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Note to self: Touch Natto more.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
That’s What He Wishes She Said.
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That’s what her eyes said!
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Her mouth said no, but her eyes, they said yes.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
After walking by me in Penn Station, Ralph Nader has gone on to low-single-digit performances in three presidential elections.
I guess I don’t have what you have, Natto.
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Kenny Lofton!
The man they love to hate in St. Louis!
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THE CARDINALS ARE DEAD
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Beautiful!
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by NuschlerFace on Nov 20, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
The tears of butthurt sportswriters are delicious
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
They cry because their butts hurt.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ewww, butt tears.
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It’s a lot like Butt Pee, except you only get one drop at a time.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Also, not as delicious as jponry makes it sound.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
as in...
butt “tiers” or butt “tares” ? big diff in meaning…hehe
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean is looking at second-tier butts.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Oddly FAILmiliar
If won-loss records are suddenly obsolete, why do we bother to keep the stat?
If on-base percentage is so important, then why don’t they put it up on the scoreboard?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
I’m glad someone is finally asking the tough questions.
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He does have a good point, seriously, why do we bother to keep it as a stat?
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm starting to think...
That all these people who are opposed to sabermetrics are just fucking stupid.
Not just naive.
Not just ignorant.
But fucking stupid.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 20, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions
Things like this really just make me laugh so hard. I love how everyone is crying about how much of an outrage this is. W-L is important but when you’re adam wainwright and your run support per nine innings is somthing like 7.04 of course you’re probably going to have more wins, and onsidering the 3+ blown saves, lincecum could have easily had a higher win total. Even if you discount strikeouts his WHIP was sick and all of his stats were amazing. Wainwright was overrated only having better wins and innings pitched and he finished exactly where I wanted him to finish.
PLUS today I went to the cardinal’s website to see the comments…their tears and outrage rejuvinated me. That and all the WAINO WAZ ROBBED…ROBBERY! comments I read…fantastic
please giants...don't make me cry like I did in 02....
Well Timmy...you make me cry tears of joy.
W-L is important
Don’t even make this concession. It is not important. Pitchers contribute less than half of what goes into W-L, and less than the offense.
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Homer
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 20, 2009 5:20 PM PST reply actions
Possibly worse than Rush.
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Yes indeed
No one could do incomprehensible lyrics like Yes!
Which is the best Yes album? My vote goes to “Close to the Edge”.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
“If won-loss records are suddenly obsolete, why do we bother to keep the stat?”
The way I look at it, wins are kind of a cool stat to have on record, but shouldn’t really be used for evaluating or predicting performance.
That article is just full of fail. One thing that annoys me a lot is people’s huge emphasis of how they pitched at the end of the season. Sure, those are the games that we seem to see decide the division winners, but the season’s 162 games. A win’s a win. Here’s an interesting question I’ve asked some people:
A team goes 0-27 in may and seems out of the race, then goes on a win streak in september to get to one game back with 1 to play against the division leader. They lose the game. Do you blame missing the playoffs on that 1 game, or on the 0-27 may?
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Apparently I have been misled for all these years.
Yup.
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
The “experts” were wrong. Get over it.
Also, we believe in heliocentrism now. For thousands of years, the “experts” were wrong about that, too.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Actually, nobody believes in heliocentrism anymore.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
In terms of the solar system?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Ah, yes, you’re right. I was mixed up on the meaning of heliocentrism. I guess I always thought that referred to the center of the solar system.
Revision:
We believe that the earth orbits around the sun. For thousands of years, the “experts” were wrong about that.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
pulls head out of astronomy spreadsheet
Actually the sun and the earth revolve around their common center of mass.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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CENTER OF MASS!
OMG I have a physics test tomorrow and that’s one of the topics!!!
Lethargy
It has me
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