Hensley Meulens hired as new hitting coach
by Grant on Nov 2, 2009 3:44 PM PST
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Here's a Velez. Now make him a good hitter.
...taps foot impatiently...
Like, now. We're in this thing next year.
(The press release is after the jump, if you're so inclined. I'll just leave this link here so you don't have to ask.)
SAN FRANCISCO, CA - The San Francisco Giants have announced that Hensley Meulens has been named the club's major league hitting coach, club Senior Vice President and General Manager Brian Sabean announced today.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens spent the past season as the triple-A hitting coach for the Fresno Grizzlies, guiding the team to the sixth-highest batting avg. in the Pacific Coast League with a .275 mark. Two of the Grizzlies' batters placed in the top 10 for highest batting avg. in the PCL with John Bowker leading the league with a .342 clip and Jesus Guzman placing fifth with a .321 mark. After the minor league season concluded, he joined the Giants and worked as an assistant during September.
"We are excited to promote someone of Hensley's baseball background to the big league club," Sabean said. "He will be a great asset to the team as we look to improve our run scoring production with both our existing major league hitters as well as the young talent we have coming up from our minor league system. Hensley brings a unique perspective to the game with his playing time in the majors, Latin America and Japan as well as his coaching work with a number of major league organizations. He distinguished himself as a coach this past season in spring training, with Fresno and here with the big league club in September, and we look for him to get underway immediately with our hitters this off-season."
"I'm excited to add a person of Hensley's professionalism to our hardworking coaching staff," Giants manager Bruce Bochy stated. "He had a chance to assist with us before and during the season and he displayed to everyone a tremendous ability to work with all of our hitters and to relate to them on various levels."
Prior to joining the Giants' organization, the Curacao native was the triple-A hitting instructor for the Indianapolis Indians of the Pittsburgh Pirates' organization from 2005-08. He was also a coach at Bluefield, Baltimore's advanced rookie team in the Appalachian League from 2003-04. The 42-year-old made his professional debut with the New York Yankees organization in 1986 and spent eight years in their system. He played parts of five seasons with the Yankees (1989-93) before spending three seasons in Japan (1994-96). Upon returning to the U.S., Meulens had brief stints with Montreal (1997) and Arizona (1998) before concluding a 17-year playing career in 2002 with Puebla in the Mexican League. The former utility man batted .220 (109-for-496) with 15 home runs and 53 RBI in 182 major league contests. Meulens was the first major leaguer to come from Curacao, which has since produced a number of other players, including Andruw Jones, Randall Simon and Jair Jurrjens. He has the rare ability of speaking five languages: English, Spanish, Dutch, Papiamento and Japanese.
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Big Papi-amento.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 2, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sharlon Schoop?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 2, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This must mean that the team is putting some faith in Bowker.
Or not.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 2, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, it means they’re putting faith in VELEZ. Duh.
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by jcb9 on Nov 2, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by beat_la_25 on Nov 3, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I thought. So this means Bam Bam Bowker gets to play?
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by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The quote from Bochy is so totally made up.
And thanks for stealing the thunder of my fanshot, Mr. Fancy Pants Board Owner Guy.
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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nah, it's real
But it took him about 15 minutes to spit it all out.
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by jcb9 on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just doin’ it for the hot, steamy Yahoo! link action.
by Grant on Nov 2, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bochy's quote
Yep, made up. You can tell because it says “…Bochy stated”, which is code for “…would’ve possibly said, had he been around and if we’d had him read the quote out loud”. Also, you can tell because the quote sounds like it came from a robot.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 2, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the robot tone lends it some credence.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 2, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but…aren’t robots pretty smart?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 2, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only as smart as their programmer.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 2, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
G.I.G.O.!
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I write press releases for a living, such as it is
basically, you make it all up, then send it to the relevant parties to sign off on.
What a life
by bobnothing on Nov 2, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His success is in teaching players to hit. I’m not sure how this will translate to players who already think they can hit and think it’s working for them.
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by timmeh on Nov 2, 2009 3:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good point but there probably aren’t any potential batting coaches that can make a difference for vets.
by chilibean_3 on Nov 2, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just thinking that he is better off in Fresno where he can actually make a difference.
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by timmeh on Nov 2, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What good is that difference if the guys come up to SF and flail madly? Not much of a difference, unless the team just wants a good AAA team.
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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but this IS a AAA team offensively.
by speedyt72000 on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this guy is something a little more than a hitting coach? I don’t know nuttin about him, so I don’t know… but maybe they feel he may be managerial material?
by Merope on Nov 2, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great……..a guy with a career BA of .220 and a career OBP of .288 is going to be our hitting instructor! Do as I say, not as I did.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 2, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because he wasn’t a great hitter doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a bad teacher.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t teach what you don’t know.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 2, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He may know, but couldn’t execute, physically.
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by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then…..he’s perfect for the Giants.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Nov 2, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More Often The Not The Most Talented Players Become The Worst Coaches
Equally true, more often then not the least talented players become the best coaches.
by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
show your work
let’s see some proofs
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by delorean on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
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by ringleader3 on Nov 2, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus, it’s possible to learn things about hitting after you’re done playing.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 2, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those who can, do.
Those who can’t, teach.
by Ed Jew on Nov 2, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a very nice thing to say on a blog with a lot of teachers…
by Merope on Nov 2, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about
college professors eh?
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Nov 2, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that saying seems to apply to them as well
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends onthe subject.
Teaching IS doing for some of them.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all, my dad is both a successful artist, and a successful art professor
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by TexasRanger on Nov 2, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a successful artist
Those are a myth
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by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey easy! By successful I mean we are able to live comfortably with his dual incomes, and I can assure that like the Loch Ness monster, and unlike the moon landing, the successful artist is in fact a living breathing (albeit rare) thing
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by TexasRanger on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
those who can’t teach, do research on teaching
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 2, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
those who can’t do research on teaching, do research on researching.
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by beat_la_25 on Nov 3, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, i’ll never be able to teach, but i love doing research, hence now, doing research on earthquakes in San Francisco and all
by PiKAgiant on Nov 3, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but… i thought you were in ohio?
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by beat_la_25 on Nov 3, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
after college i’ll be back in the bay
by PiKAgiant on Nov 3, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When I was at SF State, I had a film teacher with whom we had to suspend classes for a week in March, because he had to go to Los Angeles to attend the Academy Awards. You know, because a film he’d worked on was nominated (Long Night’s Journey Into Day, for reference’s sake).
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a ridiculous saying in the first place but what exactly are elementary school teachers supposed to be doing that they supposedly can’t?
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by SF Pete on Nov 4, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my elementary school teachers were notoriously bad fingerpainters
by DrStankus on Nov 4, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t buy this one bit.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 2, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Theory and execution are very different things.
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by cornball on Nov 2, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/headsplode from overload of negatives
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 2, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By all accounts, Ted Williams was the best hitter ever and one of the worst managers ever.
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by Goofus on Nov 2, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not standout players = Earl Weaver, Leo Mazzone, Sparky Anderson, Billy Beane, Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, Casey Stengel, Billy Martin, etc.
World class player = Joe Morgan
by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all saying that there is an absolute negative correlation
between player skeelz and managerial/coaching/GMing abilities – just sayin, there isn’t an overwhelmingly positive one
by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know
But the CW is that good players can’t be good coaches. That, I think, is false. But the skill sets are very different, so I think the correlation between skill at playing and skill at coaching ought to be close to zero. There are way more lousy players who went on to be good coaches than good players who did so, mainly because there are way more lousy players than good ones.
by taliesin on Nov 2, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The CW is a terrible network.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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It’s no secret, girl!
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the new 90210
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
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by ringleader3 on Nov 3, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But . . .
. . . as a hitting coach he was reportedly pretty good.
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by owlcroft on Nov 3, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
of course
that makes me wonder if perhaps the positions of minor league instructors is undervalued. I think that this is likely a place where they can have more impact than the majors, yet for coaches, the move to the majors is a promotion, especially for anyone that wants to move into managing.
That also starts getting into what you want from your instructors. If there is no overarching development strategy, then you are left with a real hodge-podge, and results will be based on the individual perspective of the coaches.
Ideally, I’d want an overarching organizational strategy on approach, which would be reinforced by the entire coaching staff all the way through. The hitting coaches would be responsible for monitoring this approach, working on helping players maximize their potential through this approach and assisting them on the physical nature of their swings.
Pretty sure this isn’t set up in the Giants the way I’d want to do it.
by DrStankus on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But this is an offensive AAA team offensively.
by FutureDaydream on Nov 2, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT YOUTH MOVEMENT!
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by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Luck
So when he can’t turn crap into gold, who is Bochy and Sabean to blame next?
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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If I was Roberto Kelly, I’d be feeling a little anxious right about now.
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by EliminateMe on Nov 2, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, it won’t be Shawon Dunston.
by quincy0191 on Nov 2, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bam Bam was just on KNBR so a link should be up soon on their site.
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by timmeh on Nov 2, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty okay with this, but I don’t think hitting coaches have much of an impact.
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by jponry on Nov 2, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They don't
He’s just a scapegoat for Sabean and Bochy.
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by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this has been discussed to death, but still find it hard to believe that guys that you pay to play for your team won’t listen to a coach’s instructions in this regard. Damn guaranteed contracts. I’d suspect that if a guy thought he’d lose his job if he didn’t follow the team philosophy, we’d see a little more compliance. I can see if you’re a guy who just can’t lay off the high hard ones or something on occasion, but to swing wildly at every single damn pitch like this team seems to – well, that’s another thing altogether.
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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure they listen – I’m just not sure it’s very easy to break bad habits once you get to a certain point.
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by jponry on Nov 2, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. You read articles about one player coming to a team, bringing a patient approach, and having the other players pick up that approach (I just read an article in SI about Abreu being that guy). Obviously guys can change. And if you do enough reps (i.e., PRACTICE), you should be able to break out of bad habits. I just can’t grok that these guys are so immutable.
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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not actually true about Abreu though – the Angels team walk total increased, but the improvement was essentially the difference between Abreu’s walk total and Garret Anderson’s.
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by jponry on Nov 2, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SI LIED TO ME!
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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except for Vlad, they all took more pitches though
So that was helpful. If Abreu did that.
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by groug on Nov 2, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Angels P/PA
Angels Team P/PA
2003: 3.64
2004: 3.65
2005: 3.65
2006: 3.65
2007: 3.65
2008: 3.65
2009: 3.88
I read where Scioscia and (hitting coach) Mickey Hatcher set out to increase this number, and that they stressed taking more pitches throughout Spring Training. But there are several quotes about Abreu’s influence…
* "Bobby has brought something different to this ballclub," center fielder Torii Hunter says. "I won’t say it’s all patience. I’ll say it’s more about hitting pitches that are in the strike zone. When you hit a pitch in the strike zone, you have a better chance of getting a hit than when it’s out of the strike zone. I’ve learned from Bobby and that’s why I’m hitting .300 for the first time," he admits.
* Third baseman Chone Figgins puts it this way: "It’s not that I’m trying to take pitches. I’m just trying to eliminate putting a pitcher’s pitch in play. Instead of swinging at a 1-0 pitch that I can’t do much with, I’m taking it so maybe I can get to 2-0, a better situation for me. The big thing is, you have to become confident hitting behind in the count. You have to be willing to take that close 1-1 pitch to get to 2-1 and be confident you can hit with two strikes."
* "I think Bobby has had an influence on some guys more as a mentoring tool," Scioscia said. "Plate discipline has been a big part of our guys getting into good counts and then being productive in those counts. I think Bobby has had an influence on that. I don’t think that there’s been any drastic change in some players we’re looking at as far as them looking at Bobby and saying I want to do what he’s doing. I do think some players have become enlightened maybe about not trying to do too much with a pitch or when you get in a hitter’s count don’t get so aggressive you give the count right back to the pitcher. It’s gotten us better looks at the plate than we’ve had in a long time."
* Hunter says when he’s in the on-deck circle and Abreu is hitting, "I’m going crazy. He’s staying alive, staying alive. You don’t want to go up there and swing at the first pitch after he just had a seven-pitch at-bat. It trickles down. It’s a domino effect. We all want an Abreu at-bat."
* "Abreu has helped me in many ways," said Aybar, whose .312 average led the club. "He’s always showing me things, teaching me the right way."
* "I’ll go in the clubhouse and he’s studying video and talking baseball with Chone Figgins, Kendry Morales and Erick Aybar," general manager Tony Reagins said. "That’s where he has a big impact. A lot of players after the game are so quick to leave. Bobby stays. He is very bright. He’s bilingual. He studies the game and has no problem passing information along."
The jump in P/PA is pretty remarkable.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 2, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup – that’s what I was reading. Why the hell can’t the Giants’ hitters figure this stuff out?
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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll drop my copies by the clubhouse when I’m done with them!
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by can of corn on Nov 2, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But the jump includes Abreu. We had more HR’s when we had Bonds, but that doesn’t mean that he taught any players to hit for power, it just means the he was really good at hitting HR’s.
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by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a chart that showed every Angels player except Guerrero increased their P/PA, with a couple of them (like Figgins) increasing it drastically. This is a thing that happened, though how much of it was Abreu’s influence is certainly debatable
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember looking at BB%, and the only one with a significant improvement was Figgins, who’s been improving his patience from the second he made the majors. In any case, I’m just saying that, whether or not Abreu helped, looking at team stats isn’t the way to measure it.
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by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But we weren't talking about BB%
We were talking about P/PA.
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by groug on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember looking at BB%, and the only one with a significant improvement was Figgins, who’s been improving his patience from the second he made the majors. In any case, I’m just saying that, whether or not Abreu helped, looking at team stats isn’t the way to measure it.
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by Cookyman on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They also changed a lot of players. Tex/Kotchman was replaced by Morales and Garret was replaced by Abreu
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by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also looked at the BB totals. Lets say, for al intents and purposes, that Garrett Anderson was replaced by Abreu in this lineup. The 2009 Angels had 60 more walks than the 2008 version. Guess how many more walks 2009 Abreu had over 2008 Anderson? About 60
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by say hey nation on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Are You And Cookyman Arguing About Apples In Response To A Post About Oranges?
Groug’s and Tobias’ posts were about P/PA not walks.
by giantsrainman on Nov 4, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
The original post was about patience. BB’s and P/PA are just two ways to measure it. It’s pretty unlikely that an entire team significantly improved their patience without drawing any more walks.
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by Cookyman on Nov 5, 2009 4:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Patience is about seeing more pitches to get a better pitch to hit. Increasing walks is just a nice biproduct that usually comes along for the ride. However, it is silly to say that if the increase in walks does not come along for the ride then the increased patience (more pitches per pa) is not real.
by giantsrainman on Nov 5, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
P/PA isn’t a direct measure of patience. Players who swing and miss a lot will have higher P/PA, just because it takes them longer to put the ball in play. Players with a lot of power will have higher P/PA, because they’re thrown fewer strikes. That doesn’t make then any more patient. That’s why P/PA, like BB’s, is another flawed way to measure patience. You obviously know this. Why you’re forcing me to explain something both of us know, I have no idea.
I did not say whatever it is you’re claiming I said. I said that it’s unlikely for an entire team to significantly increase its patience without it resulting in more walks. Obviously you know this is true, since it’s pretty clear that if a group of players, over a huge sample size of thousands of PA’s, start swinging at a significantly lower number of balls, that team should also a draw more walks, seeing that the numbers of walks a team takes is directly correlated with the number of balls a team takes. Of course it’s possible that it won’t result in more walks, just unlikely. Which was my only point.
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by Cookyman on Nov 6, 2009 6:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so . . .
. . . and the evidence is what happened throughout the A’s minor-league system back when Sandy Alderson was GM and issued an explicit notice to the players: no walks, no promotion (and to managers and coaches of those teams: no walks, no job). It worked, quite well.
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by owlcroft on Nov 2, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bo mama ta mashá simpátiko!
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Babelfish-iamento?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 2, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t-o hack-o at-o slop-o
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2009 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Incedentially
I’ve always wanted to turn “Hack at slop” into a “slack at hawpe” joke about brad hawpe, but I’ve never been able to figure out how.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Incedentially?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 3, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His name is Bam Bam. This can’t hurt, right?
It's spelled "T-A-K-O-T-U-E-S-D-A-Y-S-!-!-!."
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by Takimoto on Nov 2, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
BB for short.
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by bgunn on Nov 2, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you’re Fred Flintstone.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HM: Now Scott, when the pitcher throws the ball on the outer half, I want you to hit it to right field"
Scott: “Right field? Right field is for pussies. This is the mutha fuckin’ major leagues, rook. Go fuck yourself”
/scott swings and misses on slider 2 feet away
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 2, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like the thought of coaches calling him Scott.
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by cheno on Nov 2, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the thought of coaches calling him Scrotum Face.
by E Ticket on Nov 3, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the thought of coaches punching him in the scrotum
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by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
when he fucks up
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is to say, every waking moment. and sometimes when he’s asleep too.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
by beat_la_25 on Nov 3, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the thought of coaches benching him.
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by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aruba?
Finally we have someone who can communicate with Sidney Ponson!
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by groug on Nov 2, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, Curaçao, different island.
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by timmeh on Nov 2, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Papiamento is spoken in Aruba and Curaçao
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by groug on Nov 2, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Score one for groug!
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meulens runs a baseball academy for boys in Aruba, Curacao, and Bonaire that helps get them opportunities to play and come to school in the US. He’s had a hand in teaching guys like Jair Jurrjens. Basically anyone who’s in baseball in the States from the islands has come through his academy.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 2, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How old?? Did he have a hand in helping those recent Little League teams from Curacao??
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by SFGuy on Nov 2, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are hangups on getting the kids from the LLWS teams into an RBI-esque program he’s trying to get started. From what I understand, it’s from T-ball age to about high school age, 16-17.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 2, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: But I will put here.
Last night I was discussing BLB with a couple Philly fans. I kept insisting that BLB was actually a nice guy and not this Darth Vader asshole everyone makes him out to. I also tried to point out that 2001 was a perfect storm, and while roids may have helped, it was also talent.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And what did they say?
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL ROIDS
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
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by ringleader3 on Nov 2, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HI SHEAD WAS HUGE! I WOULDNT WANT HIM MY TEAM.
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by say hey nation on Nov 2, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What Phillie has been caught or has had evidence pile up to their (expanded?) forehead? I can’t think of anyone. Even Howard’s been pretty consistent.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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by cheno on Nov 2, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the entire 1993 team
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 2, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dykstra was on pretty much everything it seems.
by taliesin on Nov 2, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and Daulton
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by Goofus on Nov 2, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Kruk.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hi Shead!
Long time, no see!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Shead is at Keark Rueater’s place.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Batting average is everywhere in this article.
Bowker had a league-leading PCL batting average? Oh wow, NOW I’m sold on him!
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
BOWKERMANIA LIVES ON, BROTHER!
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also lead the PCL in OBP, OPS, and was third in SLG and fourth in walks.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 2, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE ONLY GOT THOSE WALKS CUZ THEY WAS SCARED TO PITCH TO HIM
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 2, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CUZ THEY KNEW HE WAS ROCKING THE BATTING AVERAGE. THAT IS NUMBER OF HITS DIVIDED BY NUMBER OF AT BATS. AND THE ENEMY DID KNOW FEAR. THE FEAR OF BATTING AVERAGE.
by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he had an mle OBP of .350, I know.
I just like the article.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally
A hitting coach that actually speaks Spanish!!!!!!!
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by SSC24 on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so that was Ishi’s problem. Got it.
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by timmeh on Nov 2, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Schierholtz doesn’t speak Spanish.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 3, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
too many threds
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Like Omar’s closet.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Position Title
Turd Polisher.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Como se dice “Take a pitch” en Espanol?
by rico fardan on Nov 2, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So clutch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUg99GzfcQ8
YAAAA! Check out our new hitting coach’s clutch AB. Hopefully he can channel some of this action to our squad next season. What’s up with the dunce cap at the end? Freakin’ priceless!
by sm559 on Nov 2, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That was a bullhorn.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Ichiro looks like a teenager in that video.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How old was he when he came into the league? 30? or late 20s?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was 28.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After spending some years in the Japanese league, damn
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine if that level of shenanigans took place after a home run in our World Series? The next three batters would be sporting baseball-seam tattoos.
Kinda reminds me of the choreographed chicanery by Prince Fielder after his game-winner. Wait a minute – his old man played for a season in Japan. That stunt is starting to make a bit more sense…
Hey Sandoval, mix in a salad. Everyone else, mix in a walk.
by Woody'sShed on Nov 3, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hot dog
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 2, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, isn’t the Costco discussion on the other thread?
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, i really don’t know too much about him or anything, never heard of him
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anyways, off to go to see Drew Rosenhaus, and to ask him about TO
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Next question.
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by cheno on Nov 2, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To celebrate the news, Posey hit a homer today.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just one?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 2, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hilariously
his overall line in the AFL is still pretty terrible, but it’s better than Bengie Molina’s line in the majors this year
(.229/.327/.396)
If Buster bumped that batting average up 50 points, he’d be in business.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 2, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 games in a row
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 2, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Gray on ESPN
1. San Francisco Giants catcher Buster Posey has had a rough time of it at the Fall League, both offensively and defensively, with a slow bat, plus problems blocking and receiving behind the dish. However, we can’t read anything into that. More than one scout has questioned why he’s even here. He looks very tired and is going through the motions after the grind of a long season. He still is likely to be the Opening Day catcher next season and can have success right away.
by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bengie probably has something to do with it
by sfoakbay on Nov 3, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
voodoo magic
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 3, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any time you can hire a guy to be your hitting coach who taught all your shitty AAAA hitters how to hit you have to do it
by DFAAurillia on Nov 2, 2009 5:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My guess is it doesn’t matter that much who the hitting coach is. I’m sure there are bad ones, but at least they know what they got in Meulens because he’s been in the organization. If he was a drunk, or had anger problems: they’d probably know. Maybe having someone that is not a big name is good in that people can just tell him what to do. You know, if the coach was Don Mattingly, it would be more likely that he’d do whatever the hell he wanted.
by parisspleen13 on Nov 2, 2009 5:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
after half a year of working with the Giants’ hitters, he WILL be a drunk and will definitely have anger problems.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 2, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You get that from half a year of watching the Giants.
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by groug on Nov 2, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he were a drunk?
You mean like Carney Lansford?
now skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody.
by bondo on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon
Everyone knows Righetti’s the drunk on this coaching staff.
Hey Sandoval, mix in a salad. Everyone else, mix in a walk.
by Woody'sShed on Nov 3, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thouhgt it was Bochy.
Man this sucks.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m happy to hear about Meulens. He sounds like a sharp guy. On the other hand, I think it’s pretty tough for outside observers like us to evaluate the effectiveness of hitting coaches.
by Dan from NM on Nov 2, 2009 5:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Muesli
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Nov 2, 2009 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
<a href=“http://”… Hensley’s professionalism … a tremendous ability to … relate to [the players] on various levels."" >
Translation : Carney “Red Ass” Lansford, F*ck You.
by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Format Fail
blah blah … Hensley’s professionalism … blah blah … tremendous ability to relate to the players … blah blah
Translation : Carney "Red Ass" Lansford, F*ck You.
by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meulens also mentioned the need to have coaches who don’t shy away from speaking languages other than English. He speaks five languages and I see that as the future of not only baseball coaching staffs, but a requirement among people who deal with players on a daily basis as well.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder about this, a lot
When I see the silly interviews with really young foreign players, in which some dolt reporter uses a lot of $10 words asking a question… and then I wonder what happens on the mound when the crowd is roaring, maybe the catcher is a non-native speaker of another language… stuff must get crossed up sometimes. Or how much Righetti or Botchy can really be telling some of these guys on the mound.
I specifically wondered if Velez might have had a problem last year- it might explain how he could look so lost so many times last year, and so much better (relatively) now.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 2, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those reporters totally miss the point. Nobody gives a shit about what you have to say. When I’m talking to a player, he has the floor. It’s not about the writer, it’s about the player. And if you cannot accurately communicate what Player X is saying, then you’ve failed as a journalist. I really have to wonder why the basic concepts of interpersonal communication are lost on these people.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 2, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oldrips says HM’s career BA was .220 and OBP, .288. That is a gain of just under a third. If he can get a Giants .270 hitter to get to an OBP of .360, and a Giants .300 hitter to an OBP of .390+, I will be very happy.
by campanari on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s an interesting way to look at his stats.
If you’re going to take stock in that, he had a BB% of 7.8%, which is ok but not really all that great.
Combine with a K% of 33.3%… yeah, not a happy ratio.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 2, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Baker
averaged 61 BB / 162 G, not a bad ratio.
And then, years later, he came up with the lovely coloqualism, “clogging up the basepaths” [for why walks are worse than hits, and, presumably, outs].
So – people don’t always preach what they practiced.
by SnowLeopard on Nov 3, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True true- therefore my qualifying phrase “If you’re going to take stock in that”
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 3, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So this guy’s nickname is “bamm bamm”? Anytime you have a nickname like that, i’d assume that’s a good thing, let’s knock the snot outta the ball now
by PiKAgiant on Nov 3, 2009 8:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The San Francisco Giants hired Hensley “Bam Bam” Meulens as hitting coach. Nice guy, but nobody ever had a worse approach to hitting as a player. And if anyone needs help, they do. They have Rick Down working in the organization, and Down has succeeded coaching hitters with the Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Dodgers and Mets (hey, they were better back then), but the Giants went to Meulens instead. Very odd.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/11/03/phillies.alive/1.html#ixzz0Vomw9zM1
Nobody likes money
by fwoty oz on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Heyman is an idiot
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 3, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The most problematic item in that jumble of notes:
“The Yankees have interest in bringing back Johnny Damon — “We need him,” A-Rod said — but could well get competition from at least the White Sox and Giants."
What would a Johnny Damon outbidding of the Yankees look like? 4/54? 5/65?
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Every time Damon has come up to bat during the Series I’ve referred to him as “future Giant Johnny Damon.” I’m thinking 4/$32M is about right. I don’t actually expect the Yankees to make a big push for him unless they strike out on Holliday and maybe Bay.
Note that I do not actually endorse signing Damon. I just think he and Dye are the outfielders Sabean is most likely to sign in this FA class. (And if I thought Damon could play 3 or 4 seasons the way he has in the WS, signing him would be awesome.)
by taliesin on Nov 3, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams like the Chicago Cubs and Texas Rangers have interviewed a parade of potential hitting coaches this month. But Giants Manager Bruce Bochy said he did not speak to any other candidates before he and GM Brian Sabean elevated Triple-A hitting coach Hensley Meulens to the major league job Monday.
I hate him so much. Maybe kick the tires on more than one option you fucking moron
by DFAAurillia on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Neukom. You just resigned a guy who interviewed one candidate to try and turn around one of the leagues worst offenses and hired him. 2 yr contract for Benji Molina coming in 3….2…..1
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 3, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please – it’ll be for 3 years. A 2 year deal would just hurt Bengie’s feelings.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Nov 3, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a Rooney roule in baseball.
I doubt Sabean interviewed anyone before offering Botchy his job. I hate Brian Sabean.
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a wee bit worried
I read the press release as “AVG AVG AVG. Good AVG. Platitudes. AVG. Players not on Giants.”
What about OBP? Walks?
What about Schoop!?
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Nov 3, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
SWOOP!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what it's all about:
Meulens…
the Curacao native…
Sabean is still on his long strange Caribbean experience trip. The one he started way back when he statedly hired Felipe Alou because he felt it would help bring in the Latin free agent sluggers. I had hoped this experiment had been put to bed, but now it looks like that is not the case.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Nov 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can't teach an old dog new tricks
The Giants have too many old dogs.
CF Because
RF Naturally
3B I Don't Know
C Molina
2B What
LF Why
1B Who
SS I Don't Care
P Sadowski
by Spaghetti on Nov 3, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
John Travolta and Robin Williams play for the Giants now?
#1 threat to America: Pandas
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Giants Hire Cardboard Cut Out as Hitting Coach
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Use Saved Funds to Sign Jermaine Dye
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
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