Abreu
by gimpsta7 on Nov 2, 2009 2:35 PM PST
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Why do people not really talk about Abreu being a real option for the Giants? He would have to switch to Left field, and he would be a joke out there, but no worse than Barry Bonds was for about 5 years, and his offense would make up for it. He hits around or over .300, always battles, is almost impossible to strike out, and although he doesnt have as much "pop" as he used to, he can drive in a ton of runs if the .300 hitting Sanchez (God willing he stays healthy) gets on in front of him, and he will be protection for Pablo.
This would also allow us to keep Posey in the 5 spot and have a wicked 3-4-5 spot going into next year, both average wise and RBI wise. We still wont add to our Homerun total like we might if we added Jason Bay or Matt Holliday, but he will come cheaper, and he will come for less years.
We could get him for 2 years/18 Million Dollars and have enough to get another Starting Pitcher (Bring back Penny?) and maybe even sign Chone Figgons or bring in JJ Hardy like some analysts think we will.
What say you?
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We’ve talked it about, actually.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 2:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Really? Wow, that is amazing because by people I automatically rule out the entire McC community. I was referring to the baseball community at large and “experts” who only talk about Bay and Holliday for the Giants.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 2, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, you Panda is protection for him. But I also see him as protection for Panda as another person who can drive in runs. They cant just pitch the Giants only worrying about Pablo. They have to worry about more than him now.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 2, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu would be much worse than Bonds ever was in LF. Bonds’ defense at the end of his career was shockingly underrated.
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by marcello on Nov 2, 2009 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To clarify
I’m not saying he was good at the end of his career in the field, just that people talked about him like he was a statue for years, when he really wasn’t a problem until his last year.
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by marcello on Nov 2, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It wasn’t his speed that won Bonds those Gold Gloves.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don’t tell that to Mark Sweeny.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cereally.
It was above average in all UZR seasons, except for 2006 and 2007.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 3, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve talked about him quite a bit, actually. I think we had an Abreu-focused fanpost just the other day.
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by jponry on Nov 2, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by cornball on Nov 2, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran? check
great year last year? check
certain to be signed to a multiyear contract for way too much? check
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 2, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Abreu is hitting behind Sanchez, wouldn’t Panda be protection for him? In your scenario it would be 2-Sanchez,3-Abreu,4- Panda, correct?
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by jbowl on Nov 2, 2009 5:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ya, you Panda is protection for him. But I also see him as protection for Panda as another person who can drive in runs. They cant just pitch the Giants only worrying about Pablo. They have to worry about more than him now.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probable value of Abreu’s bat (2010): around +20 runs
Probable value of Abreu’s defense: around -10 runs
Conservative estimate of Fred Lewis’ bat*: +0 runs
Conservative estimate of Fred Lewis’ defense*: +5 runs
Do you really want to pay tens of millions of dollars over multiple years for a player that gives you a marginal upgrade (yes, MARGINAL) to your team?
(*) Lewis is just an example, because he plays LF and all the Giants outfielders are basically interchangeable in terms of value, IMO.
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by tedfordfan on Nov 2, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lewis’ bat is more valuable than his defense IMO (although their values do vary wildly from year to year). But other than that, pretty much this. Abreu just isn’t worth the $20 million it’s going to take, especially when you can take Abreu’s desired contract, bump it up a bit and make it longer, and get Holliday.
by quincy0191 on Nov 2, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only problem is
Bochy wouldn’t play Lewis. Try comparing Abreu to Velez in left.
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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
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by cornball on Nov 2, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s been discussed.
I don’t understand the thinking to have rookie bat 5th. I would like him in the 6 or 7 slots, but would also accept the 2 slot.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 2, 2009 7:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would have expected Posey in the #2 slot, but it appears that FSanchez will occupy that spot now. If so, I’d put Buster at #6, assuming we acquire any kind of decent hitter this off-season. If not, I could even see Posey batting #3, between FSanchez and Sandoval. That is where I think he’ll wind up in the future, and although I’d prefer to start him off in the big leagues at a less-conspicuous slot, if there are no other good options, I’d consider putting him there next year and just living with whatever growing pains occur.
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by Lyle on Nov 3, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like Abreu. He’s got the broad offensive skill set that tends to age well.
Fangraphs estimates his value over the last three seasons at $30 million. I’m not crazy about him or anything, but he might be a good option given that his contract is bound to be fairly short.
by Dan from NM on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He just turned down 2yrs/$16mil from the Angels. So the pay is right in line with what you suggest ($10mil/yr down a little bit for aging). However, he either thinks he’s worth more or wants a longer deal. Why would the Giants do that for a player who is going to be terrible in the field behind an extremely fly-ball oriented pitching staff?
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by cornball on Nov 3, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he led the league in pitches seen, which is where the offensive improvement needs to come from, particularly reinforcing the new hitting coach. and i’d much rather have abreu than jermaine dye.
that said, it sounds like the gmen are going after jason bay at 15-16 million a year, although bj upton/ carl crawford might be better value at that price. abreu would have to be a fall back position.
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by locutus on Nov 2, 2009 8:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu>Dye, but that’s not really much of a comparison. They’re both old outfielders with overrated bats and terrible defense who want too much money to make sense. So we might end up with both of them!
by quincy0191 on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a forum where the phrase “wrong side of thirty” gets thrown around as much as McC. People were talking about age in relation to Bay, too, and he’s 31.
Abreu is old.
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by GiantPain on Nov 2, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, 31 is not on the wrong side of 30. Especially with top notch training facilities and trainers these days. Body type is a big factor too, but in Bay’s case he’s definitely not on the wrong side of 30. Dude’s durable and in good shape.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 3, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the only other side of 30 is the 20s, so…
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by Natto on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and our “top notch” staff approved and cleared F. The Sanchez’s health
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by say hey nation on Nov 5, 2009 7:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Abreu but a multi-year deal probably isn’t a good idea and he’s a huge downgrade defensively fwiw.
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by jponry on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
which analysts think we’ll get JJ Hardy and/or Chone Figgins? I like those analysts, but I don’t know them.
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by sam23 on Nov 2, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ive seen both thrown around on MLBTradeRumors. Dont remember the analysts.
by gimpsta7 on Nov 2, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read every post on MLBTR and I’ve never seen either of those guys linked to the Giants (at least not recently; it’s probably irrelevant if it was a rumor from two years ago). I looked through all the posts on Hardy and Figgins dating back a few months and the closest I got was a few posts in which Giants rumors and Hardy rumors were in the same bag of links. Figgins makes some sense for the Giants, I just haven’t seen anyone say it (probably because he’s going to be expensive and there are much better fits out there for both parties), and I haven’t seen rumors of Hardy to the Giants presumably because everyone knows Renteria is going to be the starting shortstop.
I don’t know where you’re getting this but I’d appreciate a link if you can find one; if the Giants are going after either of those guys I’d like to know about it.
by quincy0191 on Nov 3, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did see yesterday on MLBTR,
that Hardy is a likely non-tender. Too bad Rentarrhea is under contract and Bochy is the manager, otherwise that would be an outstanding solution.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No way does Hardy get nontendered. No GM is that dumb.
by Evan on Nov 3, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR suggested Hardy as a possible non-tender, but they also explained that there’s a very low chance of that happening and it’s far more likely Melvin will trade him.
by quincy0191 on Nov 3, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah even if the Brewers don’t want him they’ll get plenty of trade offers from elsewhere so there’s no chance of him being non-tendered.
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by GiantFan on Nov 4, 2009 5:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu isn’t a viable option anymore (if he was in the first place). He’s already turned down 2year $16M deal and i don’t think he’s worth any more than that.
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by GiantFan on Nov 4, 2009 5:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
oops
didn’t see this before I put up a fanshot about it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091105/sp_nm/us_baseball_angels_abreu_1
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by wjackalope on Nov 5, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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