Stats and the Cy Young
by Grant on Nov 19, 2009 4:27 PM PST
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Stats are good. I’m not even referring just to the advanced statistical arguments that support Tim Lincecum’s Cy Young, either. It’s good that there is a record of events to which to refer while doing research. Old-timers can’t argue; wins, losses, and runs batted in are stats. They’re a record of events. The new school and old school might disagree with what stats are important – you say RBI, I say OBP, etc. – but there isn’t a baseball fan alive who claims that player evaluation is better without stats.
Stats are good because the human brain is a goofy little thing built to emphasize anecdotal information and subjective opinions because those are what helped our ancestors avoid tiger attacks and poisonous mushrooms long enough to have sex. Look it up. Since we don’t have to avoid tigers so much these days, we can afford to spend our time debating dippy trivialities like the Cy Young Award, and we aren’t limited by the anecdotal or the subjective.
So when someone writes that a player shouldn’t win the MVP or Cy Young, or get a Hall of Fame vote, because a player didn’t make the writer feel a certain way, it’s hard to take that opinion seriously. "He just didn’t scream ‘Hall of Fame’ to me." Don’t care. I don’t know what melody a true Hall of Fame career sings as it tap dances on your buttocks, and I daresay that shouldn’t be the final word on the subject. Give me evidence. Don’t give me feelings.
Otherwise, you get things like this:
One player hadn't faced Lincecum—"lucky break," he said—but he felt that Lincecum looked more hittable. "I'm still convinced that deception is a big part of what Lincecum does," another said, "and that unless there's a new wrinkle, people are starting to figure him out. He's still good, his [stuff] is still good, but comparing him to Wainwright? Wainwright was just a shutdown guy this year."
Looked more hittable. Lincecum looked more hittable. He wasn’t more hittable. He allowed fewer hits per nine innings than either Wainwright or Carpenter. But he looked more hittable. Right. Oh, and the hitters are starting to figure him out. You can tell because Lincecum allowed fewer baserunners than in 2008, a year in which he also won the Cy Young.
Also, Wainwright was just a shutdown guy this year. There’s no comparison. Other than the number of baserunners and runs allowed, that is. But those are just trivial details. Wainwright was just a shutdown guy this year. You can’t argue with that position because of the "just" that the unnamed player uses. It makes the statement unassailable. So when Lincecum had one of those complete game, 10+ strikeout outings, it wasn’t a shutdown performance because a player who didn’t hit against him says so.
Moving along from Carroll’s unnamed source, we shouldn’t forget, too, that Lincecum didn’t pitch well down the stretch. That's another popular mark against Lincecum. I mean, it isn’t as if he pitched well in a crucial divisional matchup late in the season against an opposing team’s ace. Wait, I remember that game. Hey, I guess that makes it an anecdote. And I remember thinking, hot damn, this guy is the best pitcher in the world right now. So I guess that's a feeling. Awesome. I can play this game too.
The difference between Lincecum, Carpenter, and Wainwright wasn’t that great. Reasonable arguments could have been made for all three. It wouldn’t have been a travesty if Carpenter or Wainwright had won – far from it. But I don’t want "Lincecum didn’t have the je ne sais quoi that I want from my ace" as the reasonable argument. I don’t want "Lincecum seemed like he wasn’t as good." I don’t want "Lincecum didn’t gut it out late in the season when the CHIPS WERE DOWN and the SEASON WAS ON THE LINE." Give me stats. Then we can debate what a pitcher’s win/loss total really means. But I can’t debate the mythology someone’s created about what’s important to the game of baseball. I can work with stats. Stats are good.
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You have a point, but I still think the people that evaluate based on RBIs, Wins, Runs, and BA (standalone, at least) are just dumb. But hey, at least they are looking at some kind of stat, I guess.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2009 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You’re basically calling the majority of fans dumb because I believe the sabermetrics people are still a small minority.
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by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I consider the majority of people dumb anyway.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sturgeon’s Law isn’t quite right here, but it seems relevant.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That law being
Ninety percent of everything is crap.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My mom says that I am 100% sunshine though!
Which is weird ’cause I live in her basement…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, each of us is looking around (metaphorically) and saying, “I know that I am in the top 10%.”
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of like how, if you do surveys, something like 95% of people say they’re middle class.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s more like 40% of people believe they’re in the top 10%. Which really helps explain our economic situation.
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by Viliphied on Nov 19, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both could well be true.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I google, though
I grossly overstated – it looks like it’s more like 55%.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It also, of course, depends what you mean by 'middle class'
There’s an argument to be made that as well as being an economic state, class is also a measurement of a psychological state; as such, saying that you’re middle class would go a long way to making you so.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
by bobnothing on Nov 20, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of how most people say that everyone else on the road is a shitty driver but not them!
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I recently read something similar to that
Most people say that other people drive worse when talking on cell phones, but the same people talk on cell phones while driving, and they don’t think it affects their driving.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing you read that on this website.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that is still totally true.
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to happen a lot. I mean how many times do you hear: everybody’s Congressperson SUCKS!!! well … except mine I’ll vote him/her back into office every election!!! & public schools are horrible!!! …except the one I send MY kid to.
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I’m a very good driver.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Elitist.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure I’m not, what with never having had a license and all.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How are you in Mario Kart?
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to beat my college roommate at Mario Kart all the time, unless we were drinking. Then he’d trounce me.
Not sure what to make of that.
by DrStankus on Nov 20, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re just saying that to make me feel better.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you do feel better, don’t you?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…a little.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I can be an asshole on the road from time to time, but there are some really shittier drivers than me. Like, everybody.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlin, I believe
People driving faster than me = asshole
People driving slower than me = idiot
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or how everyone thinks that they have a sense of humor, but not everyone does.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 19, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially people with no sense of humor, and just plain no self awareness.
Had a boss who professed to love Dilbert. I think this was just his way of trying to fit in, as he was a pretty ackward guy. The examples he passed around were the worst Dilberts ever. And he was the epitome of the Pointy Haired Boss.
by DrStankus on Nov 20, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Q: What is the difference between a pregnant lady and a light bulb?
A: You can unscrew the light bulb!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 20, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn’t I be?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which word in your post is not crap, then?
by FreshStart on Nov 19, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all crap
Your question rests on the assumption that the crap is evenly distributed.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is a crap assumption.
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by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 3:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thus
90% of everything isn’t Scottish
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 19, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like a Sturgeon cutting for the very first time?
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even people of above-average intelligence are dumb to you?
I suppose I agree.
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by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to quote the late great George Carlin,
“Think of how stupid the average person is, then remember half the people are stupider than that!”
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by Viliphied on Nov 19, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually kind of hate this mentality. Most people are complacent. Most people allow the crowd to sway their views and opinions. Most people are not dumb.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say it’s more true that most people are ignorant and/or intellectually incurious, yes.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe. But there are also entire swaths of things that I have no interest in, and thus not much of an opinion on. Does that make me intellectually incurious? I suppose it makes me ignorant, but just narrowly ignorant on that topic.
Take my wife. Please. No, seriously. She loves dancing. She’s got a lot in her brain about what makes a good dance performance. I can appreciate that this is an intellectual pursuit, but not one that I have any interest in.
by DrStankus on Nov 20, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well as long as you’re just giving her away.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
however
I doubt you speak about the things you have no interest in as if you know a lot about them.
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by Viliphied on Nov 20, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate when people take me too seriously too.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah?
Well, I hate you. (j/k)
I also wasn’t really aiming this at you. I actually was thinking that you might not be serious considering I don’t see you as the type of person to have this type of outlook.
I just used your comment as a jumping off point.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's okay
Most people think you are dumb.
just kidding.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel you.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the morning of our love
It’s just the dawning of our love
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 20, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not most, but sometimes you can feel like you are surrounded by the dumb squad.
My assistant, and many of my colleagues, drive me bonkers on a regular basis. Having dealt with such gems as not knowing what A Christmas Carol is… to thinking a kid is allergic to the color orange and not being able to figure out how data would be entered into a computer database, if it was initially collected in a computer database – don’t ask.
I have a bumpersticker, currently not on my car, that says “I’ve been cast adrift in a sea of idiots.”
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand. But we’re commenting under a blog post about coming to conclusions based on anecdotes…
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of think that being complacent and allowing the crowd to sway ones thinking is dumb, even if said person is intelligent and all.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you understand the power that the rest of humanity has on each individual person.
For instance, I bet if you were born a hundred years ago or more, you’d be a racist. Or perhaps would have no problem with slavery. Or maybe you’d have more than one wife.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
understand should be underestimate
speaking of dumb…
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds horrible
More than one wife? All that nagging! AM I RIGHT GUYS?? EH? EH?
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife has forbidden me from answering that question.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND THEY’D JUST LET YOUR COMPUTER GO UNTIL IT BUSTS TOO!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But we’re talking about people here who make baseball their profession.
The people centuries ago who took their slavery/polygamist opinions from others were not moral theorists.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were talking about people, in general
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
Well then, if we’re referring to people in general who are unknowledgeable about a particular subject, but feel the need to pontificate about it, I think slavery is too overarching and broad.
SABR in baseball isn’t one of those topics with wide repercussions. I’m thinking of this as akin to not going and learning about more specific subjects.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of moral theorists from centuries ago rationalized slavery.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are people from just 50 years ago who rationalized “Separate but equal” in the US South.
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by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are people who do that now.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Opposing Civil Rights Act?
Every senator except who did so save one was a Democrat.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Dixiecrats.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reason why Conde Rice’s parents became Republicans.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The current norms for the Democrat-Republicans aren’t how things have always been. Those two parties have gradually changed over time – being a Democrat in the South used to be a more normal thing, over time it’s gradually shifted towards the Republican party. I guess my point is it’s hard to talk about the past history of these parties in contemporary terms, they did not used to be the way they are right now.
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 7:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s not changed nearly as much as most Dems would like you to think.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 20, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/raised eyebrow
it really has. Most of those Democrats went over to the Republican party in the late 60’s early 70’s.
Strom Thurmond did not end his life as a Democrat.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 21, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we’re going anecdotally, I’ll see your Strom Thurmond and raise you a Robert Byrd.
Lethargy
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by dregarx on Nov 21, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While I’m pretty ambivelant about Robert Byrd, his beliefs (and votes) changed a hell of a lot more than Thurmond’s.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have an interest in politics, so I don’t think I have any agenda here in stating my opinion, but I was a history minor in college and from some classes I took (including an American history since 1945 and civil rights history class), I saw lots of arguments, reasoning, evidence that there’s been a ton of change since then. Both parties have changed a lot, the American people have changed, the political environment and issues have changed….just a lot of change in general – and if you’re a Democrat or Republican now it doesn’t mean you would have identified with that same party before.
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my history class last year (high school, so less advanced than yours), in all of these events I noticed the textbook glossing over party affiliation in a way that they didn’t during the 20s, New Deal, and 50s. Effectively, they stopped giving the parties of people involved in major civil rights events. A large proportion of these people were Dems when I went to wikipedia, and due to the liberal-leaning nature of the text, I’ve been leery of the conventional wisdom that there was a huge paradigm shift between parties in terms of race, especially considering the Republican Party’s predominance in the abolitionaist movement and the civil rights movement.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 21, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Republican Party’s predominance in the abolitionaist movement and the civil rights movement.
Abolitionism was a long, long time ago. And the Republican party basically sat out the civil rights movement, since it was a fight between different parts of the Democratic party.
If you want an unfiltered take on what the Republican public intellectuals thought at the time, I would suggest a quick browse through the National Review archives.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 21, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the Republican party basically sat out the civil rights movement, since it was a fight between different parts of the Democratic party.
I can’t see how this characterization is accurate. There were Republicans and Democrats in support of the Civil Rights Act, and a larger proportion of Republicans voted for it, as you can see from jcb9’s research.
What gets at me is the supposition that when there was a shift in political allegiances north-south, some facet of racial prejudice was transferred to the right side of the political aisle. As I see it, a morally bankrupt political position was clinging to its last straws, and as it was eliminated, the Southern Democrat party, which had been curled in a fetal position around that one issue was left with nothing to stand on. This accounts for the dominance of the Republicans on that stage.
At this stage the country was generally left-leaning, so the Dems dominated elsewhere. I feel that the idea that the good guys and the bad guys simply switched parties and the racially prejudiced politicians reappeared on the Republican side is disingenuous.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 21, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There were Republicans and Democrats in support of the Civil Rights Act, and a larger proportion of Republicans voted for it, as you can see from jcb9’s research.
Almost all of the opposition came from the south. Almost all of Senate seats in the south were held by Democrats.
The divide was not along partisan lines, it was along regional lines. The region that opposed the bill has gone from overwhelmingly Democratic control to overwhelmingly Republican control, because the coalition between northern liberals and southern Dixiecrats broke down. Why did it start to break down? Because of the passage of the Civil Rights Bill. Who barreled the Civil Rights Bill through Congress? LBJ. He did so knowing it would cost his party control of the south for the foreseeable future, and it did. In the long run, that was a good thing for the Democratic Party, because that was a shitty coalition that got things done but was rotten to the core.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Among northerners – which is the only place where you can make a comparison, so there basically weren’t southern Republicans – Democrats voted more strongly for it than Republicans.
The wing of the Democratic Party that voted against the Civil Rights Bill simply doesn’t exist anymore. A lot of them faded away, a lot of them became Republicans, and some changed their ideology.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Still Holds:
What gets at me is the supposition that when there was a shift in political allegiances north-south, some facet of racial prejudice was transferred to the right side of the political aisle. As I see it, a morally bankrupt political position was clinging to its last straws, and as it was eliminated, the Southern Democrat party, which had been curled in a fetal position around that one issue was left with nothing to stand on. This accounts for the dominance of the Republicans on that stage.
At this stage the country was generally left-leaning, so the Dems dominated elsewhere. I feel that the idea that the good guys and the bad guys simply switched parties and the racially prejudiced politicians reappeared on the Republican side is disingenuous.
That wing that you speak of doesn’t exist in any appreciable form on either political side anymore. Racially discriminatory policy, whether overt or covert, has no role in the political debate today, at least in this particular manifestation (alternate manifestations that can be referred to include affirmative action, in which the Democrats were once again on the side of distinctions between individuals due to race).
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 21, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(a Democrat until 1970) was in the Senate until 6 years ago.
Strom Thurmond was in the Senate until 2001. In 1998:
Asked if he wanted to apologize, Thurmond said, “I don’t have anything to apologize for,” and “I don’t have any regrets.” Asked if he thought the Dixiecrats were right, Thurmond said, “Yes, I do.”
Trent Lott, who only left the Senate in 2007 (and who started his career working for a Dixiecrat), cost himself the Senate Majority Leadership by publicly praising Strom Thurmond’s run for President on an explicitly segregationist platform, saying:
When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either.
No matter how distasteful you may find affirmative action, comparing it to decades of Jim Crow is just silly. I’m not aware of any white employees being lynched with police approval by affirmative action supporters.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious, though
Since your vision of history has the Civil Rights Movement speared by the Republican Party, why do you think that black voters are the Democratic Party’s most loyal constituency to this day? Why do you think that there hasn’t been a single black Republican in the Congress for six years (and before that there was only one)? Why has only one Black Republican from south of the Mason-Dixon Line been elected to Congress since Reconstruction? And, for that matter, why did Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott, and many other less famous southern politicians jump ship to the Republican Party?
There’s a legitimate debate to be had over whether or not the association of black voters to the Democratic Party has been a positive thing, but it’s a fact, and it didn’t happen by accident.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have the answer to this question, but I am not about to drop that particular bomb in this forum.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 21, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should all probably drop this, really.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 22, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THe basic point is that, like jcb says, the major players in the civil rights movement (both for and against) were almost all southerners, and therefore almost all Democrats. Sure, Republicans voted on those bills. They vote on every bill.
The fact that the people who were voting for the Dixiecrats starting voting Republican shortly after the passage of the Civil Rights Act is pretty uncontroversial. Check the voting demographics, if you want.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 22, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Opposing Civil Rights Act?
Every senator except who did so save one was a Democrat.
I don’t know what you’re going by here, but here’s the actual vote breakdown by party:
By party
The original House version:
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
Cloture in the Senate:
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%-34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version:
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I think I might see what you're going by
IN THE SOUTH, all but one of the Senators who voted against was a Democrat.
Of course, there was ONLY ONE Southern Republican in the South at the time.
So that would be why.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Full regional/party breakdown
Southern Democrats: 1-20
Southern Republicans: 0-1
Northern Democrats: 45-1
Northern Republicans: 27-5
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The lone Northern Democrat against was Byrd, incidentally.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This goes along with what I was trying to say about the parties changing – the South used to be primarily Democrat, whereas now it’s almost exclusively Republican…
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the southern states that had 21 Democratic Senators, there are now 7. It’s very possible that’ll decline further in 2010.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about that. I was drawing from memory, which was not specific enough to be accurate.
I bet if you take a poll of people educated in the school systems from, say, the ’90s on, perhaps those younger than 35, they would probably tell you that the Republicans were generally against and the Democrats generally for the Civil Rights movement, just from my experiences in high school US History.
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It has me
by dregarx on Nov 21, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Ya know racism is a worldwide problem and it’s been since the beginning of recorded history and it ain’t just white and black but thanks to George Wallace, it’s always a little more convenient to play it with a Southern accent.”
by DrStankus on Nov 20, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was more of an accepted norm, right? What we now look on as moralism branched from institutions (mainly religion) that opposed slavery.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd add to this
That there’s doubtless plenty of stuff we do now that we can easily rationalize that will seem horrible to future generations.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like spending hours on the innnernets instead of going out and changing the world?
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SMOKE POT!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GIVES YOU BACK-TO-BACK SIGH YUNG!
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm currently watching WWII in HD on the History Channel
The program just got to the concentration camps in Europe. Were all Nazis evil?
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that depends on your definition of evil and your definition of Nazis.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a photo album that was discovered a couple of years ago. In it there are pictures of Nazi officers in retreat at a cabin a few miles from Auschwitz. These officers are pictured enjoying blueberries and reclining on a deck. A few miles away is Auschitz.
Were those officers evil?
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re asking me personally, I’m generally a godless moral relativist who’s generally uncomfortable with “evil” as a character judgment.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh jeez
You are no fun. No, I’m just continuing the conversation.
Nobody needs answer the question.
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The j in jcb9 stands for joykiller!
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Though, it IS a great discussion to have with students
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the b stands for bummer, right?
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The c stands for Crappy personality.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What does the 9 stand for?
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Nov 19, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 9 out of 10 things he says
that are crap?
Just running with your law.
by FreshStart on Nov 19, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It symbolizes that I’m part of the 9/10 that’s crap.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but that you are the ninth, which is better than being the first. So close, and yet…
by FreshStart on Nov 19, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(And it’s not my law, it’s the law of a science fiction writer who died 25 years ago)
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The b stands for Buzz Killington
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 21, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that’s good to know. I thought it stood for jizz.
Man, I had the wrong idea about you.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a moral relativist here!
So if they knew what was going on, and did nothing, but with the force of law against them, I wouldn’t call the individuals evil, unless they personally condoned the action. I certainly would call the political movers and shakers evil.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are soo many various opinions on the nature of Nazism, it’s not even funny.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Driving in cars is something that I feel that might be seen as silly and barbaric 100 years from now.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My bet is
Meat eating (at least from slaughtering animals). And I am a big fan of eating meat!
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by zenbitz on Nov 20, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SLURP SLURP SLURP
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait, you’re talking about OM NOM NOM NOM.
Sorry.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the vanilla latte Pika bought you?
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gross.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meat is Murder.
Tasty, Tasty Murder.
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by Viliphied on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In Vitro Meat, just around the corner.
In Vitro Baby Meat will take a little longer
by DrStankus on Nov 20, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
Just look at the ridiculous comments on most blogs. The average causal fan is pretty dumb when it comes to evaluating players. (To be fair, I don’t consider myself enlightened or anything, but I like to think I can keep a bit of separation from that type of fan)
Even my dad, who is a level-headed guy that’s followed baseball forever, thinks we should cut Fred Lewis loose, as well as start Velez every game of the year because, “One can hit, and one can’t.” Sigh.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my dad is the exact same way
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 21, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good to me!
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well
If you rely on (pitchers’) wins, rbi’s, etc when other better stats are available, that kind of does show a basic lack of logic and reasoning. I wouldn’t expect everyone to use really advanced stats – I don’t understand a lot of them, anyway. Which is why I would say it’s not so much sabermetrics that I feel is important, just looking at the game and thinking logically is a huge step forward from most fans.
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by raisingcain on Nov 19, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To address the question on a somewhat more sophisticated level. . .changing opinions is not a rear-guard action. There are cutting-edge thinkers, there are well-informed people who keep up with the cutting-edge thinking, and then there are several grades of people who lag behind the curve. You don’t change opinions by worrying about the people who lag behind the curve. They’ll catch up eventually. You change opinions by addressing the people who are nearer the head of the parade.
-Bill James
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a third-grade parade marcher at best.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So to sum up in 4 words: Suck it ESPN.com posters.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 19, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and Baggs, surprisingly:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/19/thoughts-on-tim-lincecum-the-cy-young-and-wins/
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by hubert on Nov 19, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
reply fail for scout6
my cousin and i got noah lowry's autograph after he came out of a porta-potty. he was nice about it.
by hubert on Nov 19, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jeez i totally shoulda read the previous thread…..obviously Baggs was already brought up
my cousin and i got noah lowry's autograph after he came out of a porta-potty. he was nice about it.
by hubert on Nov 19, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Noez how to win!!!!!!
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Nov 20, 2009 4:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I toooooootally get where these guys are all coming from.
My ballot:
1. Wainwright
2. Carpenter
3. Jorge de la Rosa
Timmy was tied with Bronson Arroyo and Derek Lowe for fourth. Tada!
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by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I still don’t get why de la Rosa got consideration considering he wasn’t even the best pitcher on his team.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A picture is worth 1,000 600 idiotic words by a columnist on deadline:
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by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimenez really is a much better pitcher, though.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure. By WAR, Jimenez was better than Carpenter and Wainwright.
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by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also, who is “the player”? that’s like on the news when they say things like, “officials say” or “some are saying”. I bet this “player” is someone who lincecum dominated last season. also, lance berkman disagrees with this “player”.
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 19, 2009 4:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
How do you use that as a quote in your article when the guys HADN’T faced Timmy?!?! It is one thing for me to say from the comfort of my living room that Timmy looks really good, but unless I am in the box against him, I really have no fucking clue what it is like to face him. So even if you don’t agree that stats say anything useful at all, at least when you are anecdotally comparing two things, you should have somebody with the anecdotal evidence of having faced both pitchers! Just really bad thinking/writing/reporting.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that Tim couldn’t get me out.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’d curl into a ball and let him walk you?
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t think his stuff is that good.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOOKED MORE HITTABLE FROM THE DUG OUT.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 20, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking this. How did he not face Lincecum if he is an every day regular in the NL West? Which is really the only players you should asking when you are talking about a NL West pitcher.
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And how can he break him down, his stuff is more deception! You dumb fuck, you haven’t even seen his pitch in the batters box! Film is great and all but I have a feeling a whole different game once you are in that box.
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the secret unveiled
it was craig biggio, still butthurt about how bad tim made him look back in his rookie year.
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True? Link?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joke, I believe
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aha…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It says, "another said".
So is the quote actually from the same guy who is cited as having never faced Timmy?
by Reddish on Nov 19, 2009 5:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe “the player” is a pitcher.
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It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing a guy pitch every time might cut both ways...
When Baggs made his uncharacteristically idiotic statement that Timmy didn’t feel like the best pitcher in the NL, it might be because he DID see him pitch every time. At some point you expect Timmy to dominate, and when in those rare occasions he didn’t, it is possible they stick-out in Baggs mind. On the flip side, when you just see ESPN highlights of Carpenter gaming it out, that might stick in your mind too.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Carroll’s article was complete drivel.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well put. I wanted to put something like that, but I couldn’t figure out how to phrase it.
by Grant on Nov 19, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but you can’t watch Tim every start and come away thinking he isn’t the best pitcher in the league, even if there are a few bad starts spread out during the season.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 19, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, you can have it.
/Gives to Grant in a box with shinny wrapping paper and a bow in the shape of a swan.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reply fail to Grant!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That wrapping paper sure has a lot of shins in it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You might say it’s Shin Laden.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You got me stuck firmly in between the “that was really bad” and “that was pretty good” zones.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s my comfort zone.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS!
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by zenbitz on Nov 20, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a foot in each corner and no part of me in the middle
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 21, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was the first reply to baggs in the initial thread
“Ace” as it were. I didn’t expect that idiocy from him; and his defense is even worse.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Nov 19, 2009 4:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Baggs’ explanation was completely unconvincing and occasionally backward. But it was also respectfully written, which is a lot more than I normally expect from mainstream writers making horrible arguments. And he rarely makes horrible arguments. And he tries! I’m not mad at him.
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by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It was pretty surprising, coming from him. Baggs is by far the most tolerable of all bay area beat writers.
I like cats. Wings is the greatest show of all time.
Tyler Graham is my favorite San Jose Giant because he has smart balls.
by Norm Median on Nov 19, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Getting mad at honest, yet bad arguments is silly.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do like and respect Baggs, I think he’s good at his job, and I try to give him more leeway….but this was really, really bad. In another thread I talked about picking your battles because I think Schulman’s article was pretty reasonable, but Baggs reasoning just isn’t. He says things that are flat out false. He shows he doesn’t really have any grasp of the why behind any statistics….of course, I would be respectful in my Baggs bashing, but he has earned an “education”….
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, in addition to the things I said above about seeing Timmy pitch every day, there may be a bit of fighting against obsolescence here. I obviously can’t get in the mind of Baggs or any other sports writer, but I could imagine one of them saying, “Well, if you can tell everything by stats, what is my job for.” I don’t agree with this statement, but one thing that Baggs has over all of us, is his proximity to the game and the players. He might feel that he has more ability to “feel” something about a team or players because he lives and breathes this stuff. We can sit at our computers and in 30 seconds say who we think should be 1, 2, and 3 in the Cy-Young race. I can’t imagine how that isn’t threatening on some level.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cain part was the worst part imo. ‘He doesn’t know how to win’ type of arguments’ are really not what I expect from Baggz.
by superk1ng on Nov 19, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m extremely disappointed with Baggs. He provided some lip service about why wins shouldn’t be the deciding factor, but when he fleshed out his argument wins were the decisive factor in favor of Carpenter.
I said on his blog and it’s worth repeating here that it’s a good thing he doesn’t get a vote because he doesn’t understand why Wins are a bad metric of individual pitching performance. Normally, I’d think that he is deserving of one b/c he is so good at his job (and better than so many others), but it’s clear, as you say, that while he knows that wins are a bad way to evaluate pitchers he doesn’t know why. Or maybe he concluded Carpenter deserved the award and then went looking for proof after the fact.
I don’t want to believe he was being disingenuous, so I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that being ignorant is much of a step up.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 19, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve obviously overestimated Baggs. It is kind of disappointing.
This kind of take combined with his refusal to confront Sabean about player evaluation leads me to one of two conclusion: (1) He really is this dumb and just hides it better than most hacks. (2) He cares more about protecting his access to team officials than actually reporting the truth.
Perhaps both are true.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 19, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I have never read or heard Sabean being asked to defend his evaluation of hitters. Maybe if he was asked, he would give a profound and sensical response. Maybe not. Either way, the lack of probing by the local media is very frustrating, in the world of being a fan.
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
by I'm_a_Man on Nov 19, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t get over how stupid the Will Carroll explanation is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can do it!
Don’t let other peoples’ stupidity get in your way.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how Carroll tells us he is confident in his decision because he has rewatched the condensed games of all of his top 5 starters (including Jurrjens?!?!) since turning in his ballot. Hm, watching nothing but the payoff pitches of 150 games over a short period of time — no way could he miss anything with a regimen like that!
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by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The last page of each chapter of “War and Peace” was really good. Also, I walked in the room every 20 minutes while 8 1/2 was on TV. Mindblowing.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this:
I hadn’t been informed that I was going to be voting for it. Jack O’Connell, the longtime secretary-treasurer of the BBWAA checked in with me about my ballot on the due date, giving me hours, not weeks to come to a decision.
Oh, so you are an unorganized idiot who can’t do anything right. I am sure you had enough time to do all this
I made a quick check of the stat pages, a couple of calls to Joe Sheehan and John Perrotto, and then turned in my ballot.
And still make a informed decision.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really get that – I mean it sucks that he didn’t realize until so late that he had a vote, but come on, he’s a baseball fan, right? I think about who’s in contention for the CYA all year long. It would not take me weeks to put together a ballot.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just got the sense that he felt pressured
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His Phone-a-Friend is John Perrotto! Nothing against the guy as a reporter, but he ain’t exactly the next BP writer to get hired by a Major League team.
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by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that he calls Sheehan and Perrotto. Supposed to be the premiere saber site in existence and the ones who don’t get stats at all are in charge here. I won’t be renewing my subscription, even though I want to read Goldstein’s stuff.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t renew my BP last year after a couple years of subscribing. I don’t really miss it. Not reading KG kinda sucks, but it’s not worth the money. I don’t even read their stat section (outside of the baserunning stats). I think they are pretty useless when sites like FanGraphs, BB-Ref, and others are around. And for free!
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
BP used to be a place I went to for stats. Now it’s FanGraphs.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FanGraphs is free and the stats are better. Your move, BP.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that their writers are now using FanGraphs stats in their articles.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s kinda funny. I do like Eric Seidman. He’s a really nice guy and he writes for BP now. Still, not enough to subscribe.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s still a decent source of fantasy analysis. Its my dad’s perpetual christmas gift to me, and I still like it enough to keep asking for it. Maybe I’d feel differently if I were paying the bills.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And PECOTA really isn’t any better than Marcels/CHONE/Oliver.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you follow the BP Idol?
It was one long parade of comments by Carroll that he doesn’t understand this stat or that stat. Mostly basic saber stuff. He’s basically the face of BP, come on.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Will is a nice-ish guy but seems out of place on a saber site.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is
But I can’t cut him any slack, as he and Kahrl are a representation of all that is wrong with BP today.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think BP just got lazy? They were the de facto #1 saber site for a long time.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they did too. People were using VORP like gospel for a span of 3-4 years and instead of trying to improve, they just rested on their laurels, while people all over were moving beyond that.
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(by "they" in "they rested on their laurels", I mean BP obviously)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still amazed at how popular VORP was, when there were only like 7 people who actually knew how it works.
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by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 3:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Dan Fox left and he was one of the better analysts. I think he’s working for the Pirates now.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, yes!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually wish we had the Pirates front office. I really like what Huntington has done so far.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather draft Zack Wheeler than Tony Sanchez, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s probably partially a organization resource kind of thing.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And by that I mean one part MONIES and one part farm depth. I’m not sure what their minor league system looks like for pitching depth.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coming into the season, at least, their biggest prospects were hitters – Alvarez, McCutchen, Tabata.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
It just fit in so well with the organization’s recent history that I would’ve freaked out if I were a Pirates fan.
On the other hand, it looks like Sanchez put up solid offensive numbers after signing.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the Sanchez signing was also to sign a BUNCH of guys over slot later in the draft, and they killed it there.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Sanchez is looking like a decent prospect in his own right (plus I doubt they would have taken him with Posey already in the system anyway.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GUYS WE NEED TO MOVE POSEY TO SHORTSTOP LEFT FIELD OR FIRST BASE.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose so.
But if I were a Pirates fan, I would’ve been thinking of the previous year, when they failed to sign Scheppers.
Also, making fun the Pirates is really easy.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
Winnings seasons, 1993-present:
Giants: 10
Pirates: 0
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Soul crushing seasons
Giants: 2
Pirates: 0
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, only two!?
1) 1993
2) 1997
3) 1998
4) 2000
5) 2002
6) 2003
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1993 just pisses me off. And I was 10-years-old!
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was only counting 1993 and 2002 as truly soul crushing, but I’ll accept your submissions.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The end of 2004 was fun.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2004 was terrible.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda liked 2004. You regulars will know why.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2002 needs to be in 20000 point font, bold and italicized
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Leagues under the sea?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 20, 2009 5:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, having no chance year after year is pretty soul crushing in its own right.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s good too. I just don’t like Sabean all that much and if I had to bet on a franchise moving forward, I like the direction the Pirates have taken. Of course, the Giants have a lot of good pieces, too. Having the best pitcher in the NL is pretty nice!
Also, Dave Littlefield may have been one of the worst GM’s in the past 10 years. I can’t dog the Pirates too much.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet on almost anyone over Sabean, yes. Especiall with Bavasi gone.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did say “almost anyone”!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Terrible GM's
Dayton Moore
Ed Wade
???
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams goes back and forth on this.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams always makes some move that I totally hate but then it works out OK for him.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams and Ned Colleti both seem kind of schizophrenic. Either awful or brilliant depending on the day.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that his players are smarter than he is.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke and Bannister pitch to FIP and Moore doesn’t understand OBP. Hilarious.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Especially with pitchers… or at least that’s how I remember it
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 19, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Grabbed from BP:
Notable Later Picks: The Pirates didn’t shy away from slot-busters in the later rounds, especially the bigger, more projectable arms from the high school ranks. Sixth-round pick Zack Von Rosenberg and seventh-round selection Trent Stevenson are both 6-foot-6 righties with lots of upside, while eighth-rounder Colton Cain is a 6-foot-3, 225-pound southpaw with a football body and mentality.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3RD STARTER AT BEST
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BOSTON COLLEGE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EAGLES ON THE WARPATH
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the same front office that pulled our pants off on the Sanchez trade
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 21, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade in a second.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it is hard to keep the shelves stocked when you constantly lose talent to MLB teams.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Tim is too short to be an ace!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WHO CARES ABOUT THE SY YUNG?? OPRAH IS LEAVING TV!!!!!
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can’t she just leave the planet instead?
Ooopraaaahhh Wiiiinfrey blasting ahhhhfffffff!!!!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
She’s going to spend more time working on her vajajay.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trimming the shrubbery.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 19, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Putting up retaining walls.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Something interesting I learned in my ethics class last year – There was a study done a while ago that showed that the less skill someone has in a field, the more they trust their results (not sure if i’m really phrasing it right, but that’s the gist).
The paper was called “”http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf" >Unskilled and Unaware"
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by Viliphied on Nov 19, 2009 5:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
bah link fail
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 19, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The
authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these
domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make
unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4
studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and
logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration
to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically,
improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them
recognize the limitations of their abilities.
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by Viliphied on Nov 19, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I’ve been searching my whole life for that study, without even realizing it…
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The incompetent are incompetent at recognizing their own incompetence.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I recently read something very similar to this in a book or magazine… be damned if I can remember where though.
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd imagine pride has something to do with it, too
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
humility is the first step to knowledge.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol test of humor
tests of humor, grammar, and logic
I’d like to see one of these humor tests. Actually, all three test are culturally contingent, although at least grammer and logic have been “standardized”.
T/F
Jeff Dunham is funny.
“Faulty Towers” is funny.
Farts are funny.
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by kennv on Nov 20, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems pretty easy to me.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm... fake tag fail. Amusing though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
It was originally “< ball of favorite local sport > to the groin.”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“ball of <favorite local sport>”
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
T the first time, T, T
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a phenomenon we talked about a lot in my poli sci classes. In a delightfully surreal turn of events, there was always at least one person IN those classes who knew nothing, and yet professed loudly and often as though they knew everything.
by TheLetter2 on Nov 20, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
Ignorance begets confidence.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It has often and confidently been asserted, that man’s origin can never be known: Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 4:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like this?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 19, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fully aware that I don’t know shit.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How Socratic!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m totally with you. I don’t know crap.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s known as the Dunning–Kruger effect. The more inadequate people are, the more likely they are to be confident of their opinions, to overestimate their skills, and to underestimate the skills of others.
The more you learn, the more likely you are to realize how little you really know, and how much more there is to know. That’s why, generally speaking, someone who studies a subject will talk about theories, evidence, likelihood. It’s those who know little who are more likely to say they “just know” that this or that is true or untrue, that “it’s obvious”, that nothing could persuade them that they’re wrong. You’ll never hear a scientists say they “just know” their theory is true.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 4:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, why would they give it such a silly name? * checks the names of the paper’s authors *
…Oh…
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 20, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Before I went to tech school, I was working odd jobs and had a roommate who was a farm boy from rural Oregon. He never went to college, but seemed to have average intelligence. There was at least one blind spot that he had, it was that of which way did the sun come up.
Try as I might, I was unable to persuade him it arose in the east, he adamantly insisted it came up in the west. His parting shot was “I had a teacher who tried to tell me that too, and I didn’t listen to his BS either”. lol
by boogalou on Nov 20, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s just weird.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn academics and their liberal agenda.
by TheLetter2 on Nov 20, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The use of that quote is both funny and sad
Sad because BP is supposed to be smarter than that. Trusting a guy’s opinion just because he plays the game is straight out of the Joe Morgan playbook.
But funny because you quote an anonymous player that gives you this sort of man on the street view that Wainwright is “just shut down.” We don’t have any reason to believe that this is because the player knows who he can and can’t hit, or that he has a good eye for talent, or really has the slightest clue what he’s talking about.. Just substitute “player” for “dude in line in front of me at McDonald’s.”
by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 19, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Grant is just a shutdown blogger. He is simply dominating. He feels like a true master of words.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He was pretty disappointing down the stretch when the team needed him though.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a gamer.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He could have had a few more clutch posts, that’s for sure.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I talked to a reader — who hasn’t read him this year — and he felt that Grant is less readable. “I’m still convinced Choose Your Own Adventure posts are a big part of what Grant does,” another said. “People are starting to figure him out. He’s still good, his [shit] is still good, but comparing him to Lefty?”
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HA
Damon Bruce said the voters got it right and Schulman was completely wrong.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 6:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would be interested in knowing what he thought before today.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon Bruce is hosting the first hot stove league show of the winter with guests Duane Kuiper and (if you need to sleep) Bruce Bochy.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KLaw is taking so much shit from Cardinal fans.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 6:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
PACIFIER
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t this blog be whining had Lincecum lost?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but it would be justified!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have been disappointed, but you’d have to be blind to not see that Carpenter and Wainwright had outstanding years and that conventional wisdom favored one of those two. I don’t think I would’ve complained too much.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would the whining had been worse than when the Giants traded Tim 2??
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Us?!?!?!
Whine?!?!?
Pshaw!!
Wine and cheese…. maybe…
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TEAM BIAS!
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor babies.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On a pillow stuffed with red feathers RT @FireJerryManuel @keithlaw how do you sleep at night
Another Cardinal fan complaining about my “disgrace of a ballet.”
My favorite #stlcards email of the day so far, letter for letter: “you’re an idito”
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Klaw vs. the dumbest segment of Cardinal Nation is a mismatch
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
RT itstobs @keithlaw Look, if you vote for Vazquez for the NL Cy
Young over the more-deserving Derek Jeter, you’re gonna get angry letters.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this one is good:
How to quantify numbers .. wait, what? RT @JKSTL21 @keithlaw How do you quantify those numbers?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you reading these?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 19, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
keithlaw's twitter
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
on the twitter
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I am a twitter virgin. I guess I will have to finally succumb.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 19, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there’s some good baseball folk on the twitter
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve only checked Twitter to see if I could find the Giants lineups when Baggs or Hank didn’t have it up otherwise I don’t look.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody left Timmy off the ballot entirely last year. Anybody remember who it was?
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun Times
if you go back to the CYA thread from last year I’m pretty sure his e-mail was posted about 12 million times.
by kimmyg on Nov 20, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at Viva El Birdos
This fanpost makes me sad: http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/11/9/1122875/disenchanted-blue-jays-fan-looking
And not because I like the Blue Jays. Abandoning your team is the height of lame-ocity.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he’s a friend of sign posey.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I crazy, or is there not a single post there about the Cy Young?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like that’s the case on a lot of non-involved SBN baseball blogs.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They get a ton of comments though, they have over 600 in today’s Rule 5 thread.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of those are about the CYA, tbf.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was just reading through it. To their credit, most of them seem pretty level headed about the outcome. The stereotype continues!
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m kind of surprised, we probably would have had a 1000+ post if Tim had won or lost.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing you’re not much of a Warriors fan?
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball’s the only sport I follow.
I always thought the Warriors were somewhat endearing in their pathetic…uh….patheticness?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Most Warriors fans understand why someone would abandon their franchise. Of course, we have that self-loathing gene that makes us stick with them forever….but man, I’m kind of jealous of people who have the strength/weakness (depending on how you look at it) to move on past that kind of terrible relationship…
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand
My first memories of the Giants are from the 1984-1985 period. Manny Trillo and Brad Wellman, baby!
I was also 4-5 years old, of course.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My first memories was 1978 when they made a run but I then saw 1979 and 1980.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
watching MLB Network for the first time since the Baseball Gods banned me from it at the end of the regular season. Good to see a Hot Stove on Timmy.
by The Franchise on Nov 19, 2009 7:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Make sure you watch next Tuesday at 5 PM PT. Bob Costas spends the hour with Juan Marichal.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neyer's post on the vote is pretty good
There are some butt-hurt St. Louis commenters, though:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/1497/digging-into-cy-balloting
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ahh… commenting on ESPN. That’s an excellent use of your time.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people comment on ESPN? I don’t understand. Or CNN. Or any other big national website that gets way too many comments to have actual conversations, and all the people are half-retarded to begin with….
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like you just answered your question.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, I get that they’re idiots, I just don’t understand what makes them feel they’re making a difference or anyone else is reading their comments when there’s like hundreds of other comments. Nobody actually reads them all, right? I’m convinced they’re basically speaking to no one.
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This may come out pissier than intended, and it isn’t directed at you particularly, but I’m baffled why we go out and look for idiotic or offensive comments? I avoid reading comments on ESPN or SFGate, then find them being copied in a thread here, not always for pointing at and laughing purposes, but sometimes to get me and others as upset as the person who went to EPSN or the Gate and copied them here.
Like you said: after a certain number of comments, no single comment matters anymore.
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by shanghaijim on Nov 19, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm…maybe I’m underestimating the number of people that actually bother reading those kinds of comments? I mean, I’ve given the coments at ESPN or SFGate or whatever a chance because I was legitimately curious what people thought on certain issues or articles or whatever, but once I realized it’s usually just a pissing match between idiots and nobody says anything of substance, I obviously stopped reading it ever. I just figured everyone else would quickly stop reading them, too, making them….comments to know one. I guess there’s a chance I’m wrong about that…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 7:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It takes one to know one.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH NOOOOO, nobody cares about St. Louis
by PiKAgiant on Nov 19, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is unreal… Wainwright not getting the Cy Young.. this guy was not even supposed to be in the conversation. He came out of left field and out performed Carp and Lincecum. There was about two in the season that he didnt lose a game. Unbelievable… This is why baseball award voting should be done by the fans and the so-called experts….It doesnt matter what kind of exposure Wainwright got because of King Albert and Holiday.. The guy performed simply put.. performed better than any other pitcher! What a freakin letdown man.
I’m really glad the fans don’t have a hand in voting.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to stray into dangerous territory
But these people get to vote in actual, important elections. THAT frightens me.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's OK
The effect of one vote on an election is pretty much nil.
/genius logic
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I don't vote
/Is both serious and sarcastic
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It really isn’t a productive use of time. If you want to make something happen, you really have to do something that changes other people’s minds- and a lot of them.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if you’re interested in and acting on the issues, then you really know what people should be voting for, and the actual voting process only costs you a few minutes at best and an hour at worst.
You should by all rights do both.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And in a year or so, when I’m eligible, I’ll certainly be voting in every election I can.
That doesn’t mean I’m making any impact at all, but I will do it.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my first eligible year, I voted straight communist just to piss off my dad.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This. We’re capable little primates; we can do two things at once.
by TheLetter2 on Nov 20, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never voted….
Yes, I get that if everyone voted, the vote would most accurately reflect the voting population, which I guess theoretically it should. What I don’t get is why there’s this mentality that everyone SHOULD vote? If you don’t know shit about the issues, if you haven’t done the research, why should you vote on something you don’t know anything about? I know my racist history enough to not suggest a test for voters…but can’t we discourage people from voting without educating themselves first or something?
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it could be done reasonably, I’d seriously be all for it. Pure democracy is not all it’s cracked up to be.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most people who want everyone to vote – and I count myself among them – also want everyone to be educated about their votes.
That’s a pipe dream, of course – but then, so is universal participation in elections. But we could do a much better job in both respects.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would only be that is simple in two cases
If (1) the people who know less were evenly distributed between all groups of people, regardless of sex, race, income, etc. or if (2) people could be trusted to do what’s good for society, regardless of their own interests.
Obviously (1) isn’t true – knowledge clearly correlates with income. And income also correlates with race. If we were to successfully discourage the less knowledgeable people from voting, rich people would be grossly overrepresented among voters, and poor people would be grossly underrepresented. And as a side effect, Caucasians and Asian-Americans would be overrepresented among voters, while Hispanics and African-Americans would be underrepresented.
That wouldn’t be a problem if (2) were true – we’d have knowledgeable voters making smart decisions that are good for everyone. The fact that they would happen to be rich would be irrelevant. But, again, this is clearly not the case – giving more power to rich people would mean more decisions that are good for rich people. If that weren’t the case – if smart people could be trusted to always do what’s good for the world, regardless of what’s good for them – we wouldn’t need democracy in the first place.
I think a common misconception is that democracy is necessary because it helps make smart decisions. The so called “wisdom of crowds”. That’s bullshit. The vast majority of people know close to nothing about the vast majority of subjects. 5 smart, knowledgeable, open-minded people are more likely to make smart, well-thought decision than 50 mediocre people are. But democracy in it’s modern form is not meant to help those in power, it’s meant to restrain them. The best way to make sure that people in positions of power look out for the common people is to give the common people the ability to take away their power. It’s NOT because the common people deserve it – person who can’t even spot Iraq on a map shouldn’t be able to decide whether or not to invade it – it’s just because the alternative (those in power deciding whether or not to invade without having to ask anyone) is infinitely worse.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 5:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5 smart, knowledgeable, open-minded people are more likely to make smart, well-thought decision than 50 mediocre people are.
Unfortunately for Giants fans, Sabean signs 50 mediocre outfielders rather than a single superior one.
by E Ticket on Nov 20, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But democracy in it’s modern form is not meant to help those in power, it’s meant to restrain them. The best way to make sure that people in positions of power look out for the common people is to give the common people the ability to take away their power. It’s NOT because the common people deserve it – person who can’t even spot Iraq on a map shouldn’t be able to decide whether or not to invade it – it’s just because the alternative (those in power deciding whether or not to invade without having to ask anyone) is infinitely worse.
Copied, pasted, tweeted, subscribed, submitted to Anakin Skywalker.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
retrospective voting
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Nov 20, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan spell-corrected “coherently” though. I liked the misspelling better. Like “idito”.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm…
What?
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Browser posting fail. This belongs elsewhere, but I think it adds to the randomness of life.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shanghaijim being rxmeister
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 20, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I got that, but I couldn’t figure out who’s Ryan.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously (1) isn’t true – knowledge clearly correlates with income.
Disagree.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See:
everyone who runs the giants.
But seriously, maybe in the aggregate there are more smart rich people than smart poor people (though I’m not sure I even believe that), but rich does not at all = smart in my book.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But correlation isn’t the same as an equals sign.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's true
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT
just becuase someone has money doesn’t make them smart. There are a lot of rich people who got there through no doing of their own.
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by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s science dude, people that are rich ARE SMART, get that through your head
by PiKAgiant on Nov 20, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but the right question to ask isn’t “are all rich people smart?”
It’s “is the average smart person richer than the average ‘less smart’ person?”
even admitting the imperfectness of intelligence measures like education and test scores, the answer is almost certainly yes.
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by oldjacket on Nov 20, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or alternatively
is the average rich person smarter than the average not rich person. Again, simply because of the education opportunities available to the rich, the answer is almost certainly yes.
By no means does that mean that all rich people are smart, or that there are no dumb rich people, or no poor geniuses, just that as a group, the rich tend to be smarter.
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by Viliphied on Nov 20, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t there also some natural selection going on here? I would expect smart people to become richer, over time, than dumb people.
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by markdash on Nov 20, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely. Especially with social mobility as low as it is in the US (that is, people have a pretty high tendency to stay in the class they were born into)…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smart isn’t necessarily the same thing as being educated. Education brings knowledge (which was the original phrase used to start this conversation), and higher income correlates very highly with higher education.
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but the correlation between standardized testing scores and income is pretty strong too, even if you correct for education.
I’m not the biggest believer in standardized test scores (anything that’s a poke in the eye to testing psychologists makes me happy), but I think that it’s likely that result does mean something.
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by oldjacket on Nov 20, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I do believe higher income people, on average, are smarter than lower income people…but “smart” is a pretty subjective word, so I was just trying bring the conversation back to the original point, that high income people have more “knowledge”…which is true if for no other reason than they’re more highly educated.
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, even if I had said that intelligence correlates with income, this wouldn’t contradict it.
But, more importantly, I said no such thing. I talked about knowledge - it says it right there in the quote. Knowledge has something to do with pure intelligence, obviously, but it has a lot more to do with education. And yes, education has everything to do with income.
I would never claim that rich people are more intelligent than poor ones (as in, that they are born smarter, not that they inquire intelligence). The vast majority of poor people are poor because they were unlucky. The vast majority of rich people are rich because they were lucky. And part of that luck is the fact that they are a lot more likely to go to a good high-school, and to a good college, and to a good grad school, and that they more likely to be encouraged to learn and to explore, and as a result of that, they are more likely to be knowledgeable. I don’t think anyone can deny that.
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by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The vast majority of poor people are poor because they were unlucky. The vast majority of rich people are rich because they were lucky.
I also agree with this, though I do think think there is a general upwards movement, on average, for “smart” people and downwards movement for “not smart” people. Over time, that will make high income people smarter, on average, than low income people…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Minor quibble: intelligence scores tend to also be higher among the wealthy (or more accurately among the non-poor), and it’s usually attributed to factors like nutrition and what a child is exposed to during critical periods of development. A huge amount of our brain’s development happens after birth, particularly in the first few years (though it really isn’t complete until your mid 20s).
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by neurofarm on Nov 20, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK. By “education” I really meant “anything that happens after birth”.
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by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One factor that has not been mentioned that I suppose can be attributed to luck is the cultural background that an individual has been raised in. To the extent that the parent’s value system exhorts the withholding of immediate satisfactions (ergo, saving is good), the individual ends up with more wealth as the benificiary of that cultural norm. It is very easy for two people who earn the same amount every year for their entire life to end up in a radically different financial state based on this- the positive and negative traits for this value system have been correlated to ethnic groups of a particular background.
Now even though the possession of advanced education or these beneficial cultural values is not purposeful, and can be attributed to chance, the fact of the matter is that they exist in the individual, and are a factor in what I would call his overall intelligence.
So I would conclude that wealthier people are smarter than poorer people as a rule of thumb, but it is not necessarily an intended consequence of the beneficiaries.
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by dregarx on Nov 20, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s still luck. Anything that is out of the individual’s control is luck.
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by Cookyman on Nov 21, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's What I Said
it is not necessarily an intended consequence of the beneficiaries
Therefore, luck.
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by dregarx on Nov 21, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I said knowledge, not intelligence.
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by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On a large scale?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
education does.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 20, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 20, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then boy am I glad Wainwright isn’t running for governor!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the All-Star game would just become a frickin’ popularity contest, wouldn’t it?
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by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was about two in the season that he didnt lose a game.
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any worse than writers? This one argues that Wainwright was penalized because of his run support.
Wainwright got more run support than Lincecum or Carpenter and thus lost vote support that way. As Goold points out, Wainwright did not bask in runs the whole year. Besides, why is that a negative? Teams play more confidently, defensively and offensively, when they have faith in their starting pitcher. The Giants scored 4.06 runs a game ordinarily but 4.57 when Lincecum pitched. The Cardinals scored 4.57 runs overall, 5.52 for Wainwright. Wainwright got two or fewer runs eight times, Lincecum 11
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by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so, the cardinals weren’t confident when Carpenter was on the mound?
THis writer has just argued that the Cards position players are dumb.
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by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder which pitchers got the most run support in the league. I very much doubt there’s any correlation (let alone causation) between that and how good they were.
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if I need Giants news, he’s a great source.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 19, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He does have a right to his own opinion whether you agree with it or not. It doesn’t make him an idiot or moron.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but his defense involved some pretty seriously fuzzy thinking.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really referring to you but adding the comment because others have called people like Baggs an idiot or moron.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 20, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably should have said “someone” rather than “you”.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 20, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously that kind of language is uncalled for. In general I think Baggs does a good job of doing what most media members grossly fail to do – that is, be actual journalists. He gets us the inside news and information we simply cannot get ourselves, which is basically what his job is. He does a good job of making sure almost all his coverage is the facts. His opinions, though, in this case, are backed up by some pretty poorly thought out reasoning. Again, it’s over the top (but I guess the nature of internet commenting) to attack him for it, but there’s definitely justification for rejecting his views…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 7:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a management shill
As friendly and hardworking and knowlegable as he is most of the time, he has no problem throwing players under the bus, but you will rarely see him criticize management or fellow media personalities.
by E Ticket on Nov 20, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
man,
rewatching some of Lincecum’s highlight videos, its amazing how many “oh fuck did I just swing at that?” swings he induces.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I remember watching him on tv when he was in St. Louis, one of the only parks where they have the camera straight behind the pitcher, and being mesmerized by how much movement is on those pitches. Gave me a whole new appreciation for him.
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by lyricalkiller on Nov 19, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MCC GAME!
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I made it to that game. I
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody wasn’t invited.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except PiKAgiant. Oh crap, was that supposed to be a secret, guys?
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
:( more ways i need to be depressed, HAHA
by PiKAgiant on Nov 19, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just another excuse for you to drink.
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by cornball on Nov 20, 2009 5:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What really blows me away about his changeup is that it’s a pitch that he basically put together at the MLB level. He was a curveball / fastball guy coming out of college. Just amazing.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s like he went to sleep a fastball/curveball pitcher one day and woke up with the best pitch in baseball
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should start working on a knuckleball.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he already throws one. Not in game, but he and Cain have knuckleball contests when they play catch.
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by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oldjacket remembers too!
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So then
Which pitch should he master next? Palm ball? Eephus? Screwball? Fadeaway?
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the “powerful, paralyzing, perfect, pachydermous, percussion pitch” ?
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gyroball
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds delicious.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
Ultimate Galactic Dragon Gyroball Pitch Power Explosion!!!!!!!!!!
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~!
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or some of these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_rslXAXE6Y
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The pitch at 24-25 seconds breaks like 10 feet. Wut.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to conside myself a pretty good whiffle ball pitcher. Not after watching that.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that guy puts my whiffle ball skills to shame.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hurts my elbow just watching that.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 19, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fat man fails at hitting the whiffle pitch in the game.
Not that anybody else does much better.
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by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Sanchez spent an offseason practicing against that pitcher. I never heard whether it did anything for him.
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by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. I remember hearing a podcast about it, the year after Sanchez’s batting title.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is an awesome strike zone for wiffleball.
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shuuto. Perhaps screwball. Hey, worked for Mathewson!
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by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t he have one? I think I remember reading a story about him and Cain messing with knuckleballs while playing catch.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Natto remembers too!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And apparently Cain has the better one.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that him and Cain sometimes throw knuckleballs to each other when they play catch.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I had heard that both he, and possibly Matt Cain, actually have contests in which they throw knuckleballs. Bet you didn’t know that.
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by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he and maybe Matt Cain too already have them. They throw them during catch.
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He catches them from Cain, but not during the game. Perhaps he returns the favor- I’ve heard he does.
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by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would just be silly. Lincecum can’t throw a knuckleball.
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Oh, wait. Maybe I should read first
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
These pretzels are making me thirsty.
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by groug on Nov 19, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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“Why, Opening Day, guv’nah!”
“Then there’s still time!”
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by TheLetter2 on Nov 20, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible
You can’t learn at the MLB level.
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by marcello on Nov 19, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of guys start to swing, and realize they’ve missed before they are even half-way through
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by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just ridiculous. The last two K’s in that game just look painful.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That game was amazing. Probably the best pitching performance I’ve ever seen in person.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was also in attendance at his next start
That time, he didn’t have good stuff and his command was iffy all night.
He pitched 8 shut out innings, 7 hits, 1 walk, 8 K, no XBH.
Against the Phillies, too.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that right there is a non STATS argument for why Lincecum should be Cy Young. He can dominate the team that lead the league in runs scored ON AN OFF NIGHT.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was at that game too and the whole time I was like “oh man, he’s not that good tonight :(”
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That may be the last Giants game I get to attend for some time. :(
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the contrary, everything else is moving. He’s actually staying in the same spot.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Something I thought about a few weeks ago:
If you fly from one spot in the world to another spot that’s on the exact same latitude, but is exactly 6,225.365 miles (a quarter of the Earth’s perimeter) to the west, and do it in exactly 6 hours (a quarter of a day) at a steady speed, then YOU’LL NEVER FUCKING MOVE AN INCH, YOU’LL JUST STAY IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT IN THE UNIVERSE FOR 6 HOURS WHILE THE EARTH ROTATES NEXT TO YOU.
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:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 5:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
O rly? How do subsonic planes get anywhere then?
The atmosphere is moving with the earth as it rotates. Otherwise there’d be 600+ mph winds at the equator.
by speckops on Nov 20, 2009 6:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SHUT UP
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:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I’m no sure how that’s relevant. Obviously what I said isn’t true, since we’re moving around the sun, the universe is always expanding, blah blah blah, but what does the atmosphere moving has to do with it? If the Earth were the only thing in the universe, and it would only rotate around itself, then wouldn’t my theory be correct? The Earth would move, and the atmosphere with it, and the plane would stay in its place.
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:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU’LL JUST STAY IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT IN THE UNIVERSE
Well, aside from the Earth spinning, we’re also moving around the sun, so if the universe is your point of reference, the plane will move 1/1461 of the way around the sun in orbit….
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU TOO
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Nov 20, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just change your reference point to a theoretical point in the exact same place as the earth that orbits the sun once every 365.25 days and you’ll be right. :)
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And it’s space that’s moving …
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Movement is a relative term. Something is only moving in relation to a reference point…
by Missing Barry on Nov 20, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s better to say that any particular reference point is only moving in relation to another.
I just find it hard to say that if I’m walking. Like, if my legs are actively propelling my body by force a distance over the Earth, it’s just not practical to say that the Earth is the thing that’s moving relative to me. I’m clearly moving over the Earth.
But if you boil me and the Earth down to two reference points, then yeah. Go nuts.
I suppose if two systems are independent of each other, you can go nuts too.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MCC Physics Club <3
I seriously love this place.
by TheLetter2 on Nov 20, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
:(
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’d probably be able to sit in one of the dugouts.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can sneak to them!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami is almost as far from Tallahassee as Chicago. :(
Atlanta’s a lot closer, but it’s still like a 5-6 hour drive one way.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least it’s named after a sweet Mountain Goats album
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…about a couple that hates each other as they drink themselves to death…
So if you decide to go down that route, then you’ve got your soundtrack!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 19, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I HOPE YOU DIE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I HOPE WE BOTH DIE
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 19, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
best song to sing along to... ever!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/briefly wonders if it’s creepy I’m yelling at the top of my lungs that I hope someone dies
/does it anyway
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 19, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, that’s a really good OT thread idea for a slow day.
/squirrels away idea for thread about great songs to sing along to.
/realizes Journey is going to win anyway.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JUST A SMALL TOWN GIRL
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 20, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DON’T DO IT NATTO!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LIVIN’ IN A LONELY WORLD!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 20, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t fight it, just let it happen.
TWWMS.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 20, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
icwtudidthr
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate you both.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 20, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SHE TOOK THE MIDNIGHT TRAIN GOING ANYWHERE
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 20, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IM NOT NEARLY DRUNK ENOUGH FOR THIS
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 20, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what she said.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 20, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JUST A CITY BOY
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 20, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BORN AND RAIISED IN SOUUUUUUUUUUUUTH DEETROOOOOOIIT
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 20, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE TOOK THE MIDNIGHT TRAIN GOING ANYWHEEEEEEEEERRRRRREEEE
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 21, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wheee!
Of course, I also have an album about Oakland that’s all about crime, crooked cops, fear, and a woman who asks the narrator to kill a guy in order for her to become his girlfriend.
(Fruitvale by Sonny Smith. Good album.)
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My love is like a cyclone in the swamp, and weather’s getting warmer.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 20, 2009 6:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, dude. Will you be able to check out the Grapefruit League or will you be too busy with school?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 19, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong part of the state.
Nearest pro baseball is Jacksonville, which is about 3 hours away.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Florida is bigger than I thought. :(
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 19, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is big
Also, Tallahassee is like 20 miles from the Georgia border and almost in the Central Time Zone, so it’s a long way from most of Florida.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I didn’t realize Tallahassee was along the Florida panhandle or that said panhandle was so wide. You’re pretty much in the South.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 19, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Viva Google maps
The longest possible drive in Florida is actually longer than the longest drive in California.
Pensacola to Key West: 14 hours, 6 minutes
Dorris to San Diego: 12 hours, 35 minutes
I wouldn’t have guessed that, even having been on a drive from Tallahassee to Miami years ago…
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither. But I haven’t been to Florida that much, just Miami/Key West, Orlando and St Pete’s on three separate trips. On a map the distances don’t look too bad, but I guess it also depends on roads, terrain, etc..
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 19, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crescent City to Calexico: 16 hours, 15 minutes. Suck it Florida!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But sorry about the dearth of pro ball…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Florida is huge. We drove through it to get to the Keys 4-5 years ago.
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 5:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at that game too, and my brother and I kept saying that until we realized his stat line in the 5th.
by zuma420 on Nov 19, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh man
that last one was incredible
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 19, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
while we’re reliving great Lincecum starts, tell me that this game wasn’t a Cy Young performance
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOT MONEY DOWN THE STRETCH
oh wait
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs