Sabean looking at "second tier" FAs
Well, there goes next season. If anybody thought we'd get a different Sabean after the contract extension, they were wrong.
Sigh.
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I already expected us not to sign Holliday. So this basically rules out Bay, which I’m fine with.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 19, 2009 3:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What second tier FAs?
Tier 1: Holliday, Cameron, Bay, Figgins
Tier 2: ???
Tier 3: Profit.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 3:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's more a second tear FA.
Dye makes me a sad panda.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Cameron is in tier 2, according to Sabean
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by baetown415 on Nov 19, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the article made it sound like teir 1 is pretty much just Holliday and Bay. Maybe Figgins too, but I don’t think the giants are in the market for him anyway (at least I hope they aren’t).
by fantastical on Nov 19, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t really say I’m disappointed by this…
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 3:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Unless, of course
it means Jermaine Dye
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by jponry on Nov 19, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read this as
Mark DeRosa and Jermaine Dye, welcome to San Francisco. Enjoy your new 3 year deals.
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by j14 on Nov 19, 2009 3:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
the semi trucks loaded with pallets of money (and fueled by the tears of the McCoven) will be arriving soon.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 20, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH GREAT I CANT THINK OF ANOTHER TIME HE HAS DONE THIS EVER.
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by Viliphied on Nov 19, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
More, including a “transcript.”
-Q: Holliday and Bay are the big names… Have you gauged their possible interest? Do you think either of those guys would have genuine interest in coming to the Giants?
-SABEAN: We have not. I don’t think that they would have genuine interest based on the field that they’re going to be involved in. Why would they?
Sigh – way to sell the team to free agents: "Why would they [be interested in the Giants]? Nice. He may as well say “There’s no reason for any of y’all good players to come here. I know it, you know it, and I’m not gonna try to change your mind or anything. So, uh, if any of y’all have Jermaine Dye’s number, could you let him know that maybe if nobody else wants him, I will be happy to overpay him and stuff? Kthanxbye.”
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by can of corn on Nov 19, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t the Giants have the 7th highest payroll. Aren’t they in the 4th or 5th largest market or something? Sabean was always so eager to blame Bonds’ salary for the lack of innovation or ability to sign quality players on his part. Why won’t he just say there isn’t enough money? Oh yeah, then people would remind him that is because of Zito and Rowand. He is such a douchebag.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They're only in the 4th or 5th largest market if you ignore the A's.
By MLB standards, the Bay Area shouldn’t be a two-team market. I’ve seen so many differing estimates of their payroll that it’s ridiculous, anywhere between mid-80’s to low 100 millions. It all depends on how you count differed money, amateur signing bonuses, and minor league salaries.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand. My understanding is a market is the available fanbase (thus money) in a geographic area that have a predilection towards a team(s). My complete pull-out-of-ass guess is that the Bay Area (the geographic region) is the behind NY, Chicago, and LA. I think that is it. The Giants should have access to all the people in the Bay Area market. In addition, the three places listed above each have two MLB teams, all of whom are way more competitive than the A’s (from a financial standpoint).
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First, The Bay Area Is Way Smaller The The Other Three Two Team Markets
Second, Boston, Dallas, Houston, and Atlanta are all larger then the Bay Area and are just one team markets.
by giantsrainman on Nov 19, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no the Bay Area is the sixth largest metropolitan area in the country, ahead of Dallas-Ft. Worth (8), Houston (9), and Atlanta (10). Boston is about 200,000 people bigger.
http://geography.about.com/od/lists/a/csa2005.htm
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even If So
Subtracting the A’s share leaves the Giants with the smaller market.
by giantsrainman on Nov 19, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The SF Bay area is the smallest two-team market in America. Smaller than Baltimore/DC.
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by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This much is true, yes.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure this is true.
If you’re going by the metorpolitain area rankings on Wikipedia, they don’t include San Jose in the Bay Area.
Like I wrote in the post below, determining market size is a real pain in the ass, particularly since the population in the Bay Area is so spread out.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s their source? The definitive source on this kind of thing is the US Census Bureau. They definitely include San Jose in the Bay Area – in fact, they recently started using San Jose as the name of the area, instead of San Francisco/Oakland.
San Jose is also part of the nine counties of the Bay Area in the common definition.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in fact, they recently started using San Jose as the name of the area, instead of San Francisco/Oakland.
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by shanghaijim on Nov 19, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their source is the Census Bureau. Link to the chart w/citation
The Bay Area Combined Statistical Area is divided into six Metropolitan Areas, of which the SF/Oakland/Fremont MSA is the largest.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
The CSA (San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland) makes more sense, I think.
The MSA is kind of weird. San Jose and Fremont are different metropolitan areas, but Chicago and Joliet (about 40 miles apart) and Seattle and Tacoma (about 30 miles apart) are the same? Okay.
And FWIW, by that definition Baltimore/DC isn’t a two-team market either. The Orioles definitely disagreed with that!
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The MSA’s look like they’re all divided along county lines, which is why Fremont gets stuck with Oakland instead of San Jose.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The one for New York includes at least 8 counties.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5 counties of NYC + 2 counties of Long Island + at least one in Northern Jersey
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the arguments there would be that New Yrok is one continuous urban area
But you could make the same case for the bay are. There’s no break in the urban landscape between SF/Oakland and San Jose.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, Fremont and San Bruno are pretty break-y to me.
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by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Counting population is always problematic.
Philadelphia, Baltirmore/Washington Dallas/Ft. Worth/Arlington, Houston, Atlanta, and Seattle (which, though not itself larger than the bay area, has a baseball monopoly on the entire pacific northwest) are all at least comparable to the Bay Area, and most of them don’t have to share.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good responses guys
I forget about Texas, it’s like a foreign country to a California boy. Like I said, I pulled it out of my 2-hole.
Does this mean we can take the best of the A’s lineup to add to the Giants? Oh, wait…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone else ignores the A’s… why shouldn’t we?
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Nov 19, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/baseball_markets.shtml
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by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bargain Basement Deals
Unless Figgy comes cheap look in the Juan Uribe aisle in the Bargain Basement. Get a vet on a one year deal or minor league deals.
by wilriv21 on Nov 19, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Giants will sign at least one shitty corner outfielder who is waaay past his prime and couldn’t catch up to flyballs if they had a lightcycle.
The question is, will Panda be the 3B or 1B? That is really the only question. Pretty much the starting team looks like this:
C: Veteran McGamer Former al Backupper. Posey sits.
1B: Panda or Ishi/Garko/LHH 1B – Garko stays cause Sabes doesn’t want to eat that trade.
2B: Clean Sanchez.
SS: Rentarrhea.
3B: Panda or somebody new (!) in which case Panda moves to 1B.
LF: Velez (I almost blacked-out writing that)
CF: Rowand – sigh…
RF: Jermaine Dye – Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
There will be a multitude of replacement-level players to back up the Orthopedists wet-dream of a team that the Giants put out on the field everyday. Frandsen will not be one of them. He gets DFA’ed and picked up by the Royals. You know, insult to injury.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong at catcher
Bengie Molina returns with a 2 year deal.
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by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate you.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants fans looking at 2nd tier GM
for 2 more years…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 19, 2009 4:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Only if the first tier is 29 GMs long.
Zing!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, the guys is an idiot, but at least he doesn’t seem like a douchebag, and that is worth at least one place. But who is 29?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Omar minaya sucks
and yells at reporters
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by Gobroks on Nov 19, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m somewhat OK with that…
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by NuschlerFace on Nov 20, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a lot of “blah” in justa couple moves.
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by daveinexile on Nov 20, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't This What Most Of Us Want?
As long as the right second teir free agents are the ones signed. IE Nick Johnson Good, Jermaine Dye Bad.
by giantsrainman on Nov 19, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, this is a good point. I suppose it is a matter of how you divide the tiers. Johnson is risky but could have a really high upside. What tier would you have put Renteria or Rowand in?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is just typical Sabean talk. I still fully expect him to sign Bay for 7 years 120 mil.
Just the other day he was saying how he would fill the team’s needs through FA since the trade prices were too steep. Now today he’s saying how he can’t pursue free agents. I don’t buy either explanation.
by Fresburg on Nov 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have nothing than any free agent out there right now since he isn’t going after Holliday.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zito was a disaster so of course no other high profile FA can ever be a good idea
Sabean has learned enough from his mistakes to make another one.
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by RDreamer on Nov 19, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully.
My main worry is that the guys we would consider second tier are the guys Sabean wouldn’t consider at all.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 19, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we all suspect who those “second tier” players are.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though, I’ve rooted for Sabean to sign Mike Cameron every single year he’s been available as a free agent, and it never happens. Maybe he’s finally old enough for Sabean to finally take notice, but I wouldn’t bet your microchips on that one.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ALSO THERES NO SANTA!!
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by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Who do you think killed Santa?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by shanghaijim on Nov 19, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard about this series, sounds quite interesting.
by ptizzy on Nov 20, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron reminds me of Reggie Sanders. He was cool, wasn’t he?
by fantastical on Nov 19, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
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by quincy0191 on Nov 19, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am Dye-ing to find out what he means by that! Mark (DeRosa) my words!
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by rotorueter on Nov 19, 2009 5:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d actually welcome a DeRosa signing, but it sounds like the Phillies have him targeted as their new 3B.
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by Roger on Nov 20, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Feliz
your second-tier 3B free agent
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by natteringnabob on Nov 20, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depending of his mobility Perdo being a cheap super utility guy would not necessarily be a bad thing if Urbie hits his pot of gold. Yes, I went there.
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by daveinexile on Nov 22, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone called KNBR and mentioned Jermaine Dye as a possible signing by the Giants. Tolbert said “No Jermaine Dye. You see how he hit the last two months of the season??”
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
“Hey you, Mr. 2nd tier FA. Wanna play for us?”
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 19, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My dreams offseason moves..
1. Trade Bumgardner + Garko/Bowker/Guzman/Ishii + Joaquin/Runzler/Medders/Romo/Valdez/Martinez for Fielder
2. Sign M. Cameron
3. Re-sign Molina for 1 yr.
2010 Lineup
RF Scherholtz
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
1B Fielder
CF Cameron
C Molina
LF Rowand
SS Renteria
by gambinofam on Nov 19, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you forgot Cain in that trade
"My friend once told me a story about San Francisco Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum. He said his cousin went out to a bar in San Francisco and saw Lincecum there. He went up to him to give him a handshake.
Lincecum refused. He didn’t want to give him a handshake. He wanted to give him a chest bump."
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 19, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any dream that includes Bengie is a nightmare.
Ditto for Nate Schierholtz, Leadoff Hitter.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’re getting Kazuhisa Ishii??
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by Natto on Nov 20, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But what most likely going to happen..
1. Sign N. Johnson
2. Sign M. Camero
RF Scherholtz
2B Sanchez
1B Johnson
3B Sandoval
CF Cameron
LF Rowand
SS Renteria
C Whiteside
by gambinofam on Nov 19, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Eli Whiteside is our starting catcher, that might make me cry even harder than if it’s Bengie.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Whiteside’s the best option at catcher you might as well just give Posey his chance. One should think…
by fantastical on Nov 19, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, any reason why Cameron can’t play right and put Lewis/Velez/Bowker/whatever in left?
by fantastical on Nov 19, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Cameron's a much better defender than Rowand.
And it’s asinine to move your rangiest fielder out of center because you don’t like the right fielder’s arm.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 20, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point is to get Lewis or Bowker in over Schierholtz. So put Cameron in Center, Rowand in RF and Bowker or Lewis in LF.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 20, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As Winn Demonstrated RF Is Really A Second CF At AT&T
I very much doubt if it would make much difference which of Rowand or Cameron played CF with the other playing RF. If however it is indeed determined that Schierhlotz is the best choice for the3rd outfield spot then I do think the best alignment would be Rowand in LF, Cameron in CF and Schierholtz and his arm in RF.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But only half the games are at ATT.
It’s nice to have a roster that’s optimized to the home park, but not to the point that it’s a detriment in the other half of the team’s games.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 20, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How Would This Be A Detriment?
Are you saying Rowand should have been playing RF with Winn in CF the last two years?
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by j14 on Nov 20, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d much rather them do this than your previous idea
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Count me among the outraged
It’s effing ridiculous that we’ve already conceded signing one of the top free agents (really I’d just be looking at Holliday). Barring an outlandish Dye (or Figgens) contract we’re probably going into next season with a payroll in the high 80 to or low 90 million dollar range.
For a team that is allegedly attempting to make the playoffs as well as a team that charges as much they do for tickets, concessions, parking, and merchandise; that simply is not enough. For the life of me, I have no idea why more people aren’t irate.
Simply put, nobody except for Pablo Sandoval can hit on this team as currently constituted. We couldn’t come back when trailing late last year and there is no reason to expect anything but more of the same next year.
I realize we shouldn’t just be throwing money around foolishly but to not even pursue Holliday sends the message (in my mind) that we still have no intention of playing for anything but the wildcard, and in all likelihood, an early playoff exit.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Nov 19, 2009 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The biggest crime is the message that this sends to Tim, Matt, and (lesser extent) Jonathan
Hey, you guys are awesome young pitchers. You probably won’t be as good as you are forever, but we don’t give a shit. We don’t want to spend a little extra money to put the pieces in place that would let you guys take your talents all the way to the top.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 19, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
“We aren’t going to pay to surround you with talent but hey, you wanna sign a long term extension to avoid arbitration?”
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Nov 19, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's why this pisses me off
We can’t take on more money cuz of the money were giving to Rowand & Zito. So we settle for 2nd best because of Sabean’s jackassery
Grab Some Pine Meat!
by Gobroks on Nov 19, 2009 11:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
but the thing is
from all reports we’ve heard, the team CAN take on more money.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 20, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I’m little disappointed that they aren’t at least trying to sign Holliday even if they didn’t end up getting him. I do agree that there are a number of decent second tier free-agents that we should be interested in and so i don’t mind that.
The problem as always is in the execution, not the philosophy. If we end up with Cameron/Johnson/Penny (or other sensible combination) then It will have been sensible. If the second tier players are Dye/Molina/Uribe then it’ll be terrible.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Nov 20, 2009 2:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I went to 20 games last year. The way this is shaping up, not only am I not going to games, I may cancel my cable…
by projectmayhem713 on Nov 20, 2009 4:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I've got to say
I don’t get this and some of the other histrionic reactions in here. Is it really that upsetting to hear we won’t be signing Matt Holliday who could easily end up costing $20 million a year? It was a pretty huge longshot to begin with. It is partially because the Rowand and Zito contracts already in place (plus Tim’s incoming gigantic raise) would make it really difficult to have four guys making that much money, but I think it would have been a longshot with or without Zito/Rowand.
And if you’re upset we’re not going to give Jason Bay $15+ million a year, well, I don’t really know what to say.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 20, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Histrionics are part of the fun! But I agree, not much to freak out about here.
/stairs
by xanthan on Nov 20, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And really, is the dream of our signing Holliday really that much more outlandish (or satisfying) than the dream of Neal pulling a Panda-leap right into the middle of our lineup?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 20, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just made a mess in my pants
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 20, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Neal dream better!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 20, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 20, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For me it’s more of a resigned disgust. It’s one thing to get priced out of the top free agents (that I can get). It’s another to publicly say something so stupid as “Why would anybody good want to come here?” It’s reinforcing a negative impression of the park and the team, when neither are true. And to label a group of targeted players as “second tier” seems to denigrate a bunch of guys who would rather have their egos stroked, not slammed. So now if you get a call from Sabean, are you thinking “Oh, so I’m a second tier free agent to these guys. Screw them.”
It’s the kind of strategic blunder that just reinforces my view that Sabean is a dumb ass that shouldn’t have been given an extension.
But it’s not like I had high hopes after the team kept him and Bochy on payroll.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Nov 20, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understood the “tier” remark to mean pricing brackets. The interview indicated that Sabean would not bid for Holliday and Bay knowing he would only be used as a prop to get more money out of either the Yankees or the Red Sox.
Our focus on Holliday being declared out of reach (and when did we start lusting so much for him again?) makes us think “first-tier” signifies the kind of guy we want (and when again did Holliday become that guy? I remember all of us pooh-poohing him when he was on the A’s, and a Rockie) when Sabean also implicated as Jason Bay as first-tier and we all know he’s old and not as good as advertised.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 20, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never poohed on Holliday. Ever since he was the only one getting good swings against Cain in his debut, I’ve thought that guy was pretty fierce.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I HATE HIM
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 21, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not so much that we're not getting Holliday
it’s that we’re not even going to try.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 20, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we aren’t going to spend time focusing on a guy who probably isn’t interested in us beyond using us to drive up the price with the Yanks/Red Sox? Cool.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 20, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KLaw has his top 50 FA list up. So we can see what a rational person considers the second tier.
Insider only.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 20, 2009 8:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Molina was top twenty on Heyman’s list and the list of some yahoo from Yahoo. The Yahoo guy didn’t even have Nick Johnson in his top 50.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 20, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does he do the thing where he predict where each person is going to sign? If so, can someone tell us frugal people whom he predict we’ll pick up?
by grape on Nov 20, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, he didn’t do it on this list. I know Steve Phillips always does that for ESPN. Can’t wait to read his forthcoming list. Oh wait, what??
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 20, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i smell garrett atkins
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 20, 2009 8:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does he smell nice?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. Making a bad reputation for the Garretts of the world.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Torrealba?
according to mlbtraderumors.com, some NL west team other than the Rockies is interested in Yorvit Torrealba. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the Giants wanting to use him as a backup to Buster, or even a starter if the idiots want to start Buster at Fresno.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 20, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s that fond of us.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Nov 20, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if they offer him a dollar more than anyone else, his fondness would return.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 20, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t trust anything Sabean says to the press.
Jeez, it’s only November 20th?
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 20, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
which kills me because I’m a mlbtraderumors whore
by Fresburg on Nov 20, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quit Dithering, Sabean
The more I think about it the number one FA the Giants should be considering is Chone Figgins. Though he will be 32 come the 2010 season Figgins is talented and versatile. Figgy could give both Sabean and Bochy lineup and position versatility.
Figgy could bat leadoff and be a run scorer the team needs. He can steal a base or three. He can man 2b, 3b and all three OF positions. He has the speed, glove and arm to man CF.
Quit dithering
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even If It Takes 4 Years At $10M Each?
I would much prefer to make one to two year bets on the likes of Nick Johnson, Carlos Degado, or even Troy Glaus or Adian Beltre to pair with the Panda on the infield corners then bet on Figgins staying healthy and good for 4 years. I would also prefer to make one year bets on Mike Cameron or even Andruw Jones to upgrade the outfield. It is likely that we can make both of my prefered bets for what would be the annual cost of betting on Figgins.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it will not go that high but if the price is that high then PASS. The Giants could use tablesetters – do not see any here or on the horizon – and they do not come free. Really enjoy his versatility. It is not like he is a utility player but rather has a very good glove at many positions and could play any of those positions as a regular.
Am expecting Freddy Sanchez to bounce back to hit over .300 this season and I would have him bat third in the order. Would then have Pablito Sandoval bat cleanup. Having some tablesetters for BOTH S&S Boyz should give the Giants ample of scoring opportunities. If another run producer (an inexpensive FA – Delgado/Glaus/etc or a breakout season from a young inhouse candidate – Schierholtz/Bowker/etc) then the Giants could contend.
by wilriv21 on Nov 20, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If You Are Right And He Is More Like 3 Years and $20M Then I Would Agree
But, I am not expecting this.
by giantsrainman on Nov 20, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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