Offseason Priorities for the Giants, Part II: First Base
by Grant on Nov 18, 2009 12:44 PM PST
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Supposedly, the easiest position at which to find a hitter is first base. Alas, we are Giants fans. It's a little disingenuous to say there's a post-Will curse on the organization -- J.T. Snow did provide a couple of fantastic years to bookend the meh -- but there hasn't been a lot of offense from first base since Will Clark left. The Sabean-led Giants are the kind of organization that can look at Shea Hillenbrand and Ryan Garko, and say, man, now those guys are clearly better than what we have on the roster.
And while Garko was a small sample size disaster after coming over, he still represents the best first baseman on the roster. As a right-handed guy with limited defensive skills, it'd be nice to have a lefty-swinging slick fielding complement to Garko. Like, oh, Travis Ishikawa. So there it is: the Giants are totally set at first base. Yet it feels like it should be a priority to find a new, shiny first baseman. This feeling is explained by the When You Have Aaron Rowand, Edgar Renteria, Nate Schierholtz, and Eugenio Velez Penciled in for a Lot of At-Bats Theorem, which posits:
When you have Aaron Rowand, Edgar Renteria, Nate Schierholtz, and Eugenio Velez penciled in for a lot of at-bats, you really, really, really want to find some more offense wherever you can.
Third? We're cool. Catcher? Should be fine if we keep our expectations fairly low. Second? Better than last year, at least. The rest of the the positions are filled by the goofs who give the theorem its name...except first base. By default, first base is the Giants' best chance to upgrade a sorry offense, even though it's one of the positions with the best incumbent hitter. Well, the best chance is to find any non-Velez to play left, but then that kind of glib talk just ignores Velez's 100 at-bats of mid summer greatness last year, which are 100 at-bats that mean more than the other 3000 in his professional career. Come on, now. Let's focus.
Nick Johnson provides on-base gettin'. Carlos Delgado or Troy Glaus might provide home run hittin' if they're healthy. Russell Branyan might be one of the offseason's best bargains, or he could be Damon Minor with a bigger house. There are options -- all risky, often appealing. They'd require that the Giants non-tender Ryan Garko, most likely. Here's a Scott Barnes, Indians. We're now even for '54.
It just seems like a shame, though, that the Giants have the best first base option since J.T. Snow smoked some of Wade Boggs's nail clippings during the 2004 All-Star break, and that's where we have to hope for an offensive upgrade. Not to say that Garko is anything special -- he's likely to be overpaid for what he produces, which isn't a whole lot for a first baseman. The overall offense would probably be better served by finding an improvement at short or in the outfield, but unless the Giants want to dish out a Zito-sized deal to Matt Holliday, it makes more sense to focus on the myriad of reasonable improvements at first base.
If the Giants start 2010 with Garko as the starting first baseman, that's just fine. But only if there are newly acquired productive hitters around him.
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Nick Johnson, please
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
TWSS!
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 18, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t like reading nick as a verb up there.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch! please don’t nick my johnson
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a thousand foreskins for the princess
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by shanghaijim on Nov 18, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, that David guy only needed a hundred!
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An obstetrician walks into a leather workers shop with a large jar full of foreskins. He tells the proprietor, “I’ve collect these from my many years of practice, and would like you to turn it into something so that I can remember my work in my retirement.” The leather worker tells him to come back in two weeks and he’ll have created a suitable memento.
Two weeks go by, and the doctor returns the the shop. The leather worker presents him with a small coin purse. The doctor, incredulous, exclaims, “All those foreskins and all you could make was a little coin purse?” The leather worker replies, “Sure, but if you rub it, it becomes a suitcase”.
by DrStankus on Nov 18, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch being the ironically operative word
by zuma420 on Nov 18, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick, what an interesting name.
Thanks, my dad thought of it while he was shaving.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d still be ok with sending a lot of money to Holliday.
For the first base issue I would go with Johnson. Ignore giving up what good we have left to try and trade for something.
Enjoy your Barnes, Indians. Oh wait, HE’D NOT REALLY THAT GOOD ANYMORE, JOKES ON YOU! HAHAHA!!!ONE
/sobs
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Johnson/Holliday
would make me collapse of excitement.
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is exactly why it will never happen.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your lips to Sabean's ears!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 18, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s kinda gross, actually.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kinda??
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by SFGuy on Nov 19, 2009 1:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the parts that aren’t deeply erotic.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea both of them would be pretty awesome.
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 18, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This offseason makes me want to cry. Everything helpful to the offense seems out of reach.
by out machine on Nov 18, 2009 12:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nah
What makes me want to cry is that there is actually a bountiful smorgasboard of hittery goodness, and yet I know we will end up with someone like Jamey Carroll.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would go w/ Delgado then Johnson. I just don’t know if one OBP only guy will help this club. I feel constantly confused, like no matter what we do we will still be the worst offensive club in the league.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel constantly confused, like no matter what we do we will still be the worst offensive club in the league.
this
by microwave donut on Nov 18, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what having a Renteria and a Sanchez set in stone will do to you.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez plays decent D
only Rentaria is set in stone.
by DrStankus on Nov 18, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was referring specifically to offense there.
If Sanchez wasn’t around we could be dreaming of Uggla and stuff, but he isn’t, so we are forced to look at other positions, which makes it all off, because all the other positions have ok young complementary talent.
Therefore ‘constantly confused’.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know
Uggla and Sanchez had pretty much the exact same WAR last year
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT SANCHEZ DONT HIT TEH DIGURZ
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OR DINGURZ EVEN
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Sanchez’s value is tied up in his defense, and with a knee operation this offseason, that skill set is much more volatile than Uggla’s.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Nov 19, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that order? Having one of them is enough.
now skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody.
by bondo on Nov 18, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you should feel confused.
There is a good chance the Giants will again be a very poor offensive club.
Perhaps nauseous is the word you’re looking for….
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i just can’t stop thinking about “insert your old free agent here”
by sadison bummedgarner on Nov 18, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you summed it up, Grant. Ryan Garko would be a perfectly acceptable placeholder until one of our young hitters is ready to take over at 1B, if we had a slugger elsewhere in the lineup. But, since it’s unlikely we’ll break the bank for Holliday, it seems that we will start 2010 with Garko at 1B and no slugger.
Remember the good old days of the Jeff Kent Principle™? I argued that Kent justified Snow’s averagish numbers, and Aurilia justified Bell’s averagish numbers. Yeah, those were good times. The When You Have Aaron Rowand Penciled In Theorem™ isn’t as much fun.
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by Lyle on Nov 18, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the Jeff Kent Principle
reduces to
“When you have Barry Bonds, you can afford to make stupid mistakes like the Jeff Kent Principle”
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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember making that same argument back in 1997, but in that case, it was in defense of Bill Mueller, who some thought didn’t have enough power to play third base.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bell was a much better hitter than Aurilia in 2002
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected. In my memory, I pictured Bell as your typical light-hitting 3B. Would I be right in assuming that was his best year ever?
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by Lyle on Nov 19, 2009 5:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d have to ask Vh1 to tell you.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Behind the Bats”??
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by Lyle on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, there has to be a few productive hitters from FA that can help this team OBVIOUSLY, but you’re right that i’d be perfectly fine with Garko at 1st only if there are productive hitters around him, even Ishikawa, because of his defense. Can’t imagine Holliday especially with Boras as his agent…
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t believe we might have a starting outfield of Velez, Rowand, Schierholtz.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 18, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
SPEEEEEED cept Rowand…. and offensively it’s UGHHHH,
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and potentially for the next 3 years
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While the offensive production will be, well, offensive. I can’t wait to see how many assists Nate will have over a full season. Provided Garko does not cut off anymore of his throws.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Nate can live up to his projections and provide the defense that he’s capable of, there is an offensive improvement over 2009 Randy Winn. There probably will be a defensive drop off, since Winn played insane defense, but Nate is no slouch.
I’m more scared of Velez. There are no redeeming qualities for him playing, especially with Bowker on the bench.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Nov 18, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the thing with Velez is at least we have other options with Bowker and Lewis but if Nate doesn’t hit then who is going to play RF?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 18, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true, Bowker and Lewis can be there to play outfield as well, but if Nate can’t hit, there’s a problem, and that’s why the Giants need to sign someone for the OF, and does it really make sense to grab someone out of free agency?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Torres?
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by kennv on Nov 19, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a baaad thought. thanks
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 18, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sad that Angel Villalona can’t be a bigger part of this discussion. :(
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by esseffgeez on Nov 18, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that even without the murder case, he wouldn’t be anywhere near a discussion about the 2010 roster.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For real, he’d be a little down the road
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excactly! The “brotha” has yet to even show hitting ability in the minors.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/swings at curve in the dirt
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/promoted to Fresno
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not 2010 but at least he provided a little more light at the end of the tunnel at 1B. Might have changed our approach at filling that position this year.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 18, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really doubt he’d ever be a high OBP kinda guy anyway.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 18, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even with him, it wouldn’t exactly be “Murderer’s Row.” Wait, yes it would.
/tooeasy
by KCE on Nov 18, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no chance he would be in the discussion for 2010.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 18, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a Johnson/Garko platoon. Johnson gets the majority of at-bats but you can rest him often to keep him healthy and not have a huge drop off in production. If he does get hurt, Garko is an acceptable fall back option.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s a proven scientific fact that you have to rest Johnson often to keep from having a huge drop off in production. The more frequently you use him, the less you’ll get out of him at any one time.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t even think about a doubleheader
by microwave donut on Nov 18, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS!
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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where would you bat him?
Some people think Johnson is ideal for the two hole. Some people are adamantly opposed to it.
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by groug on Nov 18, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hit it
Johnson in the 2 hole is a no-no.
by wilriv21 on Nov 18, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tease.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your mouth is saying “no-no,” butt….
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some people think Johnson is ideal for the two hole.
TWSS
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say Johnson is ideal for the 2-hole, but I do think that you can use him to fill the position occasionally.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, we will all get off better if Johnson spends more time in the one-hole.
/auto-defenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 18, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some are open to experimentation.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with getting NJ is that I think that the marginal upgrade from Garko (who is, as of now, the second best hitter on the team) to NJ is less than the upgrade we could get at, say, LF. It doesn’t seem worth it, to me, to spend extra money on a Garko-to-Johnson upgrade that could be spent elsewhere.
A full year of Garko would almost certainly be an offensive upgrade from our 1B production this year.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think NJ is a marginal upgrade over Garko. The last 3 years he was healthy (always the big caveat), he’s posted WARs of 4.6, 5.3 and 2.4. Garko has never come anywhere close to that. Obviously there is no guarantee we get healthy NJ but if we do he is a much better player than Garko.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that he would be a marginal upgrade
I said that the marginal upgrade from Garko to NJ would be lower than the marginal upgrades we could make at other positions.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 18, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Realist examples? At this point, I don’t consider Bay or Holliday realistic examples due to cost or that Sabean will replace Rent or Rowand. NJ has shown that he can be 4 or 5 wins better than Garko. Dye isn’t an upgrade and I don’t think Damon or Matsui are worth what they will be paid.
The only player I can come up with is Cameron, but only if he plays CF and moves Rowand to a corner, which I don’t think will happen either.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
If not Holliday or Bay, Cameron in LF would be an upgrade.
My main point was that, if we were to sign NJ for however much, lets say 5 million, that doesn’t mean you’re paying 5 million for NJ’s numbers. You’re paying 5 million for the upgrade from Garko’s numbers to NJ’s numbers.
And whether you look at CHONE or Bill James , Garko’s projected numbers really aren’t that bad. Why spend money to upgrade pretty-good to better when there’s so many places that are total fail?
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 18, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is total fail, but who do we get to upgrade that is a possiblity? I agree, Cameron is an upgrade and would like him and NJ to sign.
But you can’t just say we have so many places that fail without having a realistic idea of who to get to upgrade. It’s obvious we fail at SS and CF but those guys are entrenched in their position. It’s not right or smart, but that’s the way it is. We could upgrade 3b and move Panda there, but I’d rather have NJ than Beltre, for example. And Bay or Holliday are obviously upgrades but I don’t think they are a possibility.
Also, I definitely don’t think Garko is a bad player or will be next year. But I think you under-rate how good Johnson is. James has him at 277/414/434 compared to Garko at 282/357/453. That much extra OBP can go a long way.
Give me Cameron and NJ and I’m happy.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather stand pat than upgrade 1B
Or just get Cameron. NJ wouldn’t be worth the money as an upgrade over Garko.
A full year of Garko would already be an upgrade over this past year’s 1B production, and at less than half the price of NJ.
And yes, OBP is nice. But their OPS’s from James are 848 (NJ) and 810 (RG). Is a 38 point OPS boost from an often injured 1B worth the 3 million more that he’d earn over a younger player?
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In short, yes. First, we are basing all this on projections. Historically, Johnson is 1 to 4 wins better than Garko as a player. Garko’s never played full time. Also, although it’s only 38 points more OPS, it’s a huge OBP difference. As was discussed on this site, OBP is more valuable because of the compounding effect (Owlcroft posted on this).
Also, just improving over last year’s offense isn’t really important. If we go from horribly crappy to just crappy, what good is that? The pitching would have to be just as good for any improvement and it will be damn hard for the pitching to be just as good. Not to mention that most analysis showed the offense got luckly last year by some 30 runs. I’d rather go from below league average to above league average for $3 mil than below to average.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should never forget or take for granted
The pitching would have to be just as good for any improvement and it will be damn hard for the pitching to be just as good.
by wilriv21 on Nov 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Garko played full time in 07, 08, and the first half of 09
And his numbers during that time were pretty good.
And again, this all all talking only about numbers. You want to pay 3 million more to NJ, who is older and more injury prone (as far as I can read, Garko has never been on the DL). Why? That money could be better spent elsewhere, or even not at all.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but your description of his numbers as “pretty good” isn’t enough for me. I never said he was a bad player. But over their career, NJ is MUCH better than Garko. NJ has a career OPS+ of 125, Garko’s is 109. Garko has never posted an OPS+ higher than NJ career average. They are not equal players and the difference in their ability is worth much more than $3 million.
Also, you talk about age, but NJ will be 31 next year, Garko will be 29. It’s not like there is a huge difference in age.
The injury thing is an issue, but it’s also the reason a player as good as Nick Johnson could be had on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal instead of demanding bigger bucks.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’ve stressed the reality of the situation. In what reality would Brain Sabean sign Nick Johnson to a FA contract that isn’t overpaid?
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by Lyle on Nov 19, 2009 5:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see Cameron in LF
I see him in RF only because Rowand will throw a hissy fit if he’s moved to RF, despite Cameron being the better choice in CF.
The only thing i see coming in between us and Cameron is wanting too many years or his desire to play CF
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 18, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes the most sense
What I’m saying is that Rowand will not be happy if that happens and I doubt the Giants will force him to move to RF. If they do? Awesome. I just see Sabean saying “Cameron is a CF and we already have a CF in Rowand, so there is no need to pursue him.”
Cameron would be an amazing CF and Rowand could be Winn-like in RF, but I just seriously doubt the Giants busting Rowand’s balls and moving him to RF.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 18, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Rowand demands to be traded, I won’t be that upset. Sure, it’ll confirm his general douchiness, but we already knew about that.
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither would I
If he got traded I really wouldn’t care, although i would miss the IM POOPIN remarks. Ohyeah, it also would be nice to see someone actually lay off a slider in the dirt.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 18, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Leave the Rowand
Take the IM POOPIN
by DrStankus on Nov 18, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like when we had Winn in CF and he said there was no need to go after Rowand or Roberts?
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by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roberts had played the other OF spots much like Winn did prior to Rowand. Except for some random non-CF games, Rowand has pretty much been glued to CF, at least way more glued than Winn and Roberts were.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 18, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of which
we could turn Rowand into glue, right? Maybe Lewis? at least he’d actually catch something and hold it
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 18, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh?
I just see Sabean saying "Cameron is a CF and we already have a CF in Rowand, so there is no need to pursue him."
This is Sabean we are talking about here. He collects CFs the we some people collect dick jokes, Pez dispensers or cow shaped items.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure you can cross Cameron off of your list. I’m not sure I see the great attraction anyway. Yes, He’s a good def OF, but career:
Rowand: .280 .339 .448
Camerion .250 .340 .448
He’s an upgrade? Plus, Cameron is much more of a "split" guy v LHP. No thanks.
Anyone else remember that Rowand carried the offense in May and early June? Yeah, he’s streaky, but that was one heck of a streak.
I think you guys are confusing contract size with worth to the team. Rowand and Renteria, aren’t that bad. (Well Rent was last year but hurt) They aren’t great either, but you guys make them sound like they’re at the Mendoza line.
Cameron may be an upgrade over Velez, maybe that’s the point your making? Maybe, but he isn’t going to fix your offensive troubles, especially v RHP
by joethejet on Nov 18, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand’s numbers are inflated by two fluke seasons in hitters’ parks, whereas Cameron has been very consistent.
Also, while Cameron does have a platoon split, his lifetime OPS against righties is .765 – Rowand’s is .766. So, yeah. No.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+
last four years
Cameron: 121, 104, 111, 111
Rowand: 86, 124, 94, 90
hmmmm
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but Cameron's defense is better
so it evens out.
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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Considering who he'd be playing beside
That’s a big plus.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the Giants hit better vs RHP last year than LHP, especially in the outfield, where the only guys who had decent numbers vs lefties were Torres and Schierholtz.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying, we pay big $ for Cameron, you guys will be back here next year complaining about his low ob, average and lousy splits.
He’s just not that good. He doesn’t solve your offensive problems at all. His liftetime OB is the same as Rowand’s. Blah.
Not the answer.
by joethejet on Nov 18, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone’s wanted to give him more than a year or so. Obviously you don’t want to give big money to a guy that age unless they’re an elite player.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
His OBP isn’t lousy. It’s not great, but it’s fallen below .330 once in five years. And, as I just said above, his platoon splits aren’t actually that bad.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even a big Cameron booster, by the way
But the argument that he’s not better than Rowand is silly. Since joining the Giants, Rowand has been worth 3.3 WAR. Cameron, in the same period: 8.3. Despite Rowand having about 100 more plate appearances.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron’s numbers will go down in AT&T just like Rowand’s did. Great D, no doubt about that. Just not the answer. If he’s better than Rowand then it’s mostly v LHP. Overall the difference just isn’t that great.
Bottom line is that he doesn’t make a big difference at the plate. He’s another of what we have lots of, 6 or 7th place hitters.
He’s an improvement over playing Velez/Torres for sure. I’ll give you that. But, then, I’d rather see Bowker out there for at least 300 PAs before I’d spend the $ on Cameron anyway.
Go with bowker-Rowand-Schierholtz.
I think Johnson or Delgado are the best guys to pick up. Delgado is pretty much a platoon guy versus most LHP anyway so Garko will fit in nicely. Johnson less so.
by joethejet on Nov 18, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, if we got Cameron, I would hope it would go along with a Rowand salary dump.
And Cameron played a few years in a much worse hitter’s park than AT&T and he did just fine (121 and 104 OPS+)
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we got Cameron and kept Rowand then I would hope he would be taking time away from Schierholtz as opposed to Bowker.
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by SF Pete on Nov 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know AT&T hasn’t played as a pitchers’ park for years now, right? Especially for right handed hitters.
Cameroon DID play in an extreme pitchers’ park a few years ago, in 2006: .268 / .355 / .482.
Also, Rowand’s numbers didn’t really go down that much as a Giant. His 2008 and 2009 numbers were very much in line with what he did in 2005 and 2006. 2007 was a big, huge fluke and Sabean was dumb enough to be fooled by it.
Rowand’s been pretty much who I expected him to be when he signed.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, AT&T isn’t that bad on offense, but it is for power. A lot of Cameron’s worth has been HRs. That will go down vis-a-vis Miller.
Rowand’s been what I’ve expected, more or less, too. I think last year was the bottom end of what I expected however.
by joethejet on Nov 18, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he hit 22 and 21 HR in his two years at San Diego and was about as even in terms of H/R splits as you can be in that regard (21 HR at home, 22 on the road)
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt he'll hit 20 HRs again
but the point stands
by sfoakbay on Nov 18, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually not THAT bad in left field
Don’t let Rowand’s whining last year get you fooled.
Plus Cameron’s avg. distance in home runs is pretty good, so he wouldn’t take as big of a hit in the power department as, say, Johnny Damon.
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by baetown415 on Nov 18, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand’s been pretty much who I expected him to be when he signed.
Yeah. Except for more bad throws from center. I also expected more trips to the DL, but i underestimated his willingness to play hurt and sucky.
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by kennv on Nov 19, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1. I want Cameron because I assume he won’t cost big money.
2. I would not complain about “lousy” average or splits and his OBP is not lousy.
3. He doesn’t solve our offensive problems, no, but no single player is going to do that. Cameron is a much better hitter than anyone currently ticketed to be a Giant next year other than Pablo Sandoval.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, you’re crapping yourself over his splits… he’s hit better against RHP in his career than the Giants did last season as a team.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His OB is the same as Rowand’s lifetime. If not lousy than average, more of the same. I will agree that he’s better than some of the guys we could run out there, and if he’s cheap enough why not, but I don’t think he’ll be as cheap as you think.
by joethejet on Nov 18, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PARK ADJUSTMENTS
Mike Cameron career lgOBP: .335
Aaron Rowand career lgOBP: .342
it seems small, but it’s a big difference.
in addition, as jcb already pointed out, Cameron has been a ridiculously consistent offensive player, while almost all of Rowand’s career offensive value is tied up in two seasons out of 6.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Rowand’s OB is better than Cameron’s when adjusted?
In any case, I think most of us are talking about having both of them so comparing isn’t all that relevant other than to say (my point) he’s not much different than Rowand career-wise. Maybe he’s more consistent. Not sure what happens if you throw out his best two years.
by joethejet on Nov 18, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
No. lgOBP is the average OBP for a player in that offensive environment. So Rowand’s turns out to be below average for his offensive environment and Cameron’s is above average.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, educate me here. The lower the number the better? .335 is less than .342. Or, are you saying that in his parks, the average OB is .335 and Rowand’s is .342 therefore since they’re equal, Cameron’s is better.
by joethejet on Nov 18, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, exactly.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Upgrade?
Cameron may be an upgrade over Velez?
Cameron has lost a step defensively, still has some pop, but is streaky and on the downside.
Velez showed much more patience at the plate DESPITE Carney Lansford (OK, not really despite, its just that Carney rubbed so many of the players the wrong way that they tuned him out), and after working extensively with Meulens when he was down in Fresno. I think the light bulb went on. If that is true, despite his defensive weaknesses which also were notably improved late last year, offensively he provided more than Cameron…he is a disruptive force when he gets on base and he is extremely fast, in fact, faster than Cameron ever was which is blazing.
My belief is that we need to be relieved of Lewis and Rowand ASAP, put Velez in center and Schierholtz in right, sign or trade for a very solid LF type (sure Bey or Holliday would be great), who hits in the 4 spot, roll the dice with the infield we have sign Molina for 1+a couple of options to insure that Posey is the real deal, and live with the pitching staff the way it is. I would try to re-sign Penny, but I think he will go to Toronto or Baltimore because they both can afford more (especially if Halliday is moved) and he wants to go back and beat Boston and the Yankees….he has so stated. I could also see him with the Rays because they are quite talented and could use more quality starters.
On the other hand, if he doesn’t see the contract he likes, and in order to keep Timmy happy, along with his desire to hang with Timmy, he could (and I damned sure hope he will) be back. If we have one more hitter and Garko/Ishy turns out OK, a healthy Sanchez does his thing, Panda repeats and doesn’t get worn out like last season, Zito pitches all year like 2d half, that should be enough to win the division….and I like Tim, Matt, Barry, Jonathan against ANY team in short series. Maybe even on 3 days rest if the weather is cool….no chance for Timmy if the weather is hot. He just doesn’t have the body mass to maintain his fluid and nutrient levels for long hot outings…give him another 3-4 years and he should be fine. Matt has plenty, so not the issue for him.
by CplaneLawr on Nov 20, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron has lost a step defensively, still has some pop, but is streaky and on the downside.
LOL.
“Lost a step on defense”? He had an 11.3 UZR in 2008. 10.0 in 2009.
“Still has some pop”? He’s been above his career average in SLG the last two years in a row.
“Streaky”? He’s remarkably consistent. Check his OPS+ for the last five years:
2005: 114
2006: 121
2007: 104
2008: 111
2009: 111
Eugenio Velez is close to worthless. Almost anyone would be an upgrade from him.
Velez, second half of 2009, when he was allegedly hot: .277 / .321 / .426
Cameron’s worst year THIS DECADE: .231 / .319 / .479
Uh, yeah.
Oh, and:
Velez showed much more patience at the plate DESPITE Carney Lansford
Velez’s 2009 Major League walk rate: 5.2%
His career Major League walk rate: 5.2%
His career Minor League walk rate: 6.2%
His 2009 Minor League walk rate: 6.6%
I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to call a Massive Fail on this one.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One more
he is a disruptive force when he gets on base and he is extremely fast, in fact, faster than Cameron ever was which is blazing.
He is fast, but he gets a terrible start out of the box so he doesn’t actually get to first quickly. He’s a poor base runner, and while he’s managed 30 steals so far in over 600 PAs, he gets thrown out almost 30% of the time. He got thrown out at the same rate in the minors.
Since we’re comparing to Cameron, in his career he’s been thrown out 21% of the time.
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by jcb9 on Nov 21, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we presumeing it is Johnson vs Garko?
Could it not be Johnson vs Ishikawa? My point here is either Garko or Ishikawa could end up off the 25 man. Then there is a wild card of carrying Garko as the third cather, Pinch hitter, part time first baseman and double switch canidate with Ishikawa filling Sabeans needs for a defensive specialist at 1st.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever plays 1b for the Giants this season is just placeholding for Brett Pill
by wilriv21 on Nov 18, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What if its Brett Pill?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don’t think so. But looking at his stats, something seemed to click for him in Connecticut.
Year Lg Lev G R H 2B HR RBI SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB
2008 CALL A_adv 131 73 122 32 9 65 85 .266 .321 .395 .716 181
2009 EL AA 139 71 157 37 19 109 72 .298 .348 .480 .828 253
4 Seasons 467 253 472 132 43 300 277 .271 .326 .423 .748 737
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yea, he’s looking great, but i hope he can get promoted to Fresno this next year
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After his very fine performance at AA in 2009 a promotion to AAA in 2010 is a lock. Pill will soon be added to the 40-man roster and invited to spring training. Who knows if he continues on the John Boy Bowker career path maybe even see The City sometime in 2010
by wilriv21 on Nov 18, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll be content if he joins the team in 2011 either way
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But can he toes the rubber?
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 18, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to Bowker’s season in Connecticut, Pill had a lower OBP, a lower SLG (almost 60 points of OPS total), and Pill was almost a year older.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he OPS’d .828 in AA and he’s going to be a legit major league first baseman? LOLOLOLOL
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE WOULD HAVE HIT .950 IN ANY OTHER PARK
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, when his numbers are inflated by the PCL next year, the same people will insist they’re legit.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT NOBODY CAN EVER HIT ANYTHING AT ALL IN LIEBERMAN DODD PARK!!!!!
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you did there.
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by Lyle on Nov 19, 2009 6:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BETTER THAN FRED LEWIS LOL
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hope anything. The only MLB team he could play for (Bench role/starting) is the Giants.
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus I was gonna make fun of wilriv21, but when I saw the numbers I was all like OK hes not ALL bad
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
God that's hot
and in a pitcher’s park, right?
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling...
That he’ll revert back to his old ways.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 18, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait till we do our prospect rankings. I’m not sure Pill would land in the 15-20 range for me. I would have to think about. I’m not a big fan of Pill.
by xanthan on Nov 18, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got to 30 without him a couple of weeks ago. He had a nice season in AA, but it was his first one, he doesn’t walk a lot, and he’s going to be 25.
by Grant on Nov 18, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a Giant, in about 4 more years.
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you answered my question
if he put an .828 OPS in AA at age 21 I would be excited.
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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
didn’t know he was that old.
doh
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What about EME?!
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When asked about EME the Giants braintrust – Neukom, Sabean, Tidrow and Evans – answered in unison “Who?”
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maybe they don’t call him “EME.”
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be fine by me, of course. Pill and Bowker are both playing in Venezuela for the Bravos de Margarita and doing quite well so far, according to MLB.com. Only been there a few days – was just reading about them on SFDugout.
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sf dugout? Is that the website that provides quality reporting on Giants minor league baseball?
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I would consider MLB.com a website that provides “quality reporting” on Giants players in the Venezuelan Winter League, or any other winter league, for that matter.
by flyonthewall on Nov 19, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First base is the one position where Sabean can’t be faulted for not providing fallback options last season: behind the home-grown Ishikawa he went out and signed Phelps, McPherson, and Guzman, which all seemed like great grabs from the “free talent:” pool. Beyond that he added Garko. Something out of this mess should have been able to bridge the gap to Villalona, the 1B of the future. But Ishikawa didn’t break out, Phelps and McPherson were hurt all year, Guzman never really got a shot, and Garko stunk in his 40 game stint. And Villalona…
The position is cursed. And I think Nick Johnson is cursed, too. Maybe those curses can cancel each other out.
by pantalones on Nov 18, 2009 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson is signed...
And is injured for the majority of his contract.
Cursed I tell ya.
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/sprains wrist signing contract
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Why does Sabean crush on centerfielders, catchers, and firstbasement, but he doesn’t have a problem starting a season with Brian Bocock, Emmanual Burriss, or Joe Castle?
Oh, wait, I know why. He’s a fucking idiot.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 18, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
There are options — all risky, often appealing. They’d require that the Giants non-tender Ryan Garko, most likely. Here’s a Scott Barnes, Indians. We’re now even for ’54.
Why not just try and sneak Ishikawa through waivers (can they even do that?) and send him back to AAA? I’d rather lose Ishikawa over Garko. I think.
by xanthan on Nov 18, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Garko is only 2 years older than Ish, and has proven he’s a better hitter.
Plus Garko seems to have a great work ethic and desire to improve (see: him being the only other major leaguer in AZ with Panda)
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 18, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea for sure, so basically if the giants were to add another first baseman, all in all someones gotta go… we’d have 3 first basemen.
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, pika—are you going to the game tonight?
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I probably am not gonna go, you check out our record?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, but it’s on the tube—thought I’d see you in the crowd of day drunks carried over into night
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, screw that, they’re the worst team in college football, and there will probably be at best 400 people at that game, so i’ll pass
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bummer; that was a lot of fun when i was in colledge
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you have a good football team, people tend to go
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fred lewis needs to hit the cutoff man more often
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Easy on the future Alum of the Rowand Academy of Throwin’.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I’d much rather lose Ishikawa. I’m just thinking that if the Giants spend, say, $7M on Carlos Delgado, they aren’t going to want to spend $4M on Garko.
by Grant on Nov 18, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would Garko be $4M though? I was under the impression he’d be more like $1.5-2M
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by Viliphied on Nov 18, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that too, but then people started saying $4M, and now I’m confused. For a first-time arb guy, he probably should get $1.5M or so, but I’m not sure if that’s right.
by Grant on Nov 18, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We discussed this a while back
It was in this thread here.
Evan went to the trouble to find some comparables:
I don’t know, I’m terrible at guessing salaries. Looking at last year’s first-year arb players, Conor Jackson got three mil, Luke Scott got 2.4, Mike Jacobs got 3.25, Ryan Church got 2.8 …
Scott Hairston and Matt Diaz and Gabe Gross got $1.25 million each. Maybe that’s Garko’s proper cohort.
Garko kind of falls annoyingly between those two groups of guys in my mind, which would put him in the $2M range, maybe just a bit above — but $4M seems like it would be way out. I don’t see any way he could wind up with more than Conor Jackson.
by taliesin on Nov 18, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to trade Garko to the Orioles, save the $4M and sign Johnson. Save Ishikawa as the backup.
by velvadp on Nov 18, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GARKO FOAR MARKAKIS GIT R DUN SABEZ
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Garko and the O's are a good fit
They need a 1B to mentor Brandon Snyder until he’s ready. I think Garko & a mid level prospect for Luke Scott would be a mutually beneficial deal. Scott doesn’t fit on the O’s roster anymore with Reimold, Jones and Markakis in their OF and he’s got good pop, which the Giants desperately need.
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by Gobroks on Nov 18, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather lose Ishikawa over Garko
Absolutely.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 18, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you lose Garko, you would think we get an upgrade. If we lose Ishikawa, we’re stuck with Garko.
by velvadp on Nov 19, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Wilson and others for Miggy Cabrera!!
by BigO on Nov 18, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wilson and who? Cain? I haven’t heard of Cabrera being on the trading block.
by aBulldog on Nov 18, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's probably not
I’m just lazily riffing on an idea of Ken Rosenthal’s.
by BigO on Nov 18, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and it would have to be J. Sanchez, Wilson, and Rowand. Right?
by BigO on Nov 18, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No one wants Rowand.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who said anything about want – have you checked out Miggy’s contract? There would have to be some money going the other way.
by BigO on Nov 18, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are not going to add the payroll necessary to take on that contract. The Tigers sending money along with Cabrera’s contract in addition to taking on Rowands salary defeats the purpose of a salary dump.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the fact that Cabrera is not Soriano, he’s actually worth the money he’s getting paid.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
totally unrealistic, for sure, as far as the Giants taking on the contract goes. However, i wasn’t actually saying the Giants would receive $ AND send Rowand (though this is certainly a possibility). The Tigers would only do the deal if it saved them some cash, and the players they received were true star talents. Forgetting the money aspect, I actually think the deal above would be of interest to them.
by BigO on Nov 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
get on the Miggy bandwagon!
we send Wilson, J Sanchez, another minor league pitcher not named MadBum, Ishikawa, and one of Lewis/Velez/Bowker/Nate to replace what they lost in Maybin
we take a ton of contract, but Wilson is due a raise, and Sanchez in a year, so it’s not like we’re taking on 25 million, it’s more in the high teens, which is what we’d end up spending on Bay or Holliday. We don’t reup Garko, and we save a little more there (cause Miggy’s at 1b). Why would Sabean rather get in a bidding war with Arizona for Nick Johnson!?!
no better place to kick tires than Detroit!
by locutus on Nov 18, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bigger holes
And who replaces Wilson and Sanchez?
Wilson is one of the top closers, Sanchez is getting better and better….let me see, trade two future All-Stars neither of whom have 3 full seasons in the majors and take on a huge contract with a former All-Star who is still a good player, but on the back side of his career to save a handful of future dollars?
Sounds like a Sabean stupidity to me!!
by CplaneLawr on Nov 20, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they’d be more of an ideal combo if Garko were going to get the lion’s share of ABs.
by BigO on Nov 18, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they’d be more of an ideal combo if Garko were going to get the lion’s share of ABs.
by BigO on Nov 18, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they’d be more of an ideal combo if Garko were going to get the lion’s share of ABs.
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by ssbase21 on Nov 18, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by ssbase21 on Nov 18, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don’t think the Giants players would like having Fielder on the team.
by aBulldog on Nov 18, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Celebration notwithstanding, I think they would,
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not. He’d take a lot of pressure off of the hitters. At least for the 1 year he’ll be here.
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by esseffgeez on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They were pretty tired of Bengie thinking they were all hamburgers last year and then Fielder comes in and thinks everyone’s a frankfurter.
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Branyan would make a nice complement to Garko
and while I love Ishikawa’s glove, he’s expendable. Garko mashes lefties, Branyan mashes righties, platoon those fools and call it a day.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He'd make a nice complitment a year ago.
He’s going to get way too much for a platoon 1b, given last season’s performance.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 18, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
probably true
and that’s the problem. But you never know what the market might be like this year with the economy in shambles and all that.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 18, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know we haven't got to OF yet but
anyone else interested in Rick Ankiel on a cheap, one year deal?
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 18, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really cheap, maybe
he was a TRAINWRECK last year. I’m not confident he can get back to what he was in 07/08
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really, ‘07 was less than 200 ABs. So it’s one really good year and one bad year. His SSS makes analyzing him real tough. I’d roll the dice and hope for some luck but god knows what you’re going to get.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty bad on D though, right?
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don’t know, but I’d guess he’d be stuck in a corner instead of center. I’m guessing with his athleticism and arm, he’d be at least average in LF.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR/150
Fangraphs shows he’s +7.5 and +6.1 in LF and RF over 90 games. -9.5 in CF over 177 games.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
kinda surprising. I guess I’d prefer him in LF over Velez..
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he ever done well vs LHP with constanst exposure?
The thing I remeber about Ankiel in ’07 was him setting dead red and pitchers still feeding it to him.
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by daveinexile on Nov 19, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I think Torres is fine as a back up CF and apparently the Pirates really want Ankiel
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by Gobroks on Nov 18, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras client
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 18, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson wouldn’t excite me, but I’d be okay with him.
Of course, the last time I was excited about a free agent signing was Armando.
/sobs
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dear God…as in BENITEZ?!?!!! WHYZ?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 18, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was fooled by 2004
1.29 ERA, 47 saves, 0.82 WHIP, almost a strike out an inning.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He had pretty good years in 2002 and 2003, too.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess his stats looked ok. But he was horribly inconsistent especially in the big games and I remember him being run out of New York with pitchforks and flaming brands. I HATED that signing.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 18, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He had 8 blown saves in his last partial season with the Mets, so yeah
But 2004, not so much. 47 saves in 51 chances. Opponents had a .475 OPS against him.
Obviously, it didn’t work out so well and he turned out to be a big tub o’ shit.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we relive the Dave Roberts signing since we are spending time discussing horrible things that make me cry?
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, that offseason sucked. We dodged the bullets of Juan Pierre and Gary Matthews Jr….and ended up giving THREE YEARS to Dave Roberts.
AND WE DIDN’T EVEN ACTUALLY NEED A CENTER FIELDER TO BEGIN WITH AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE SIGNED ANOTHER ONE ARGRGRGHGDFHGGHDSFGHDSFHGJGSFGJHSDGHJFSD
In conclusion: Thanks!
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran grit exemplified!
Even absent Bonds, the 2005 Giants will field the very oldest starting lineup in the entire history of major league baseball – no exaggeration. Their shortstop is 38. So is their center fielder. Their right fielder, patrolling the biggest and probably most challenging right field in any park in baseball, is – you guessed it – also 38. Their fourth outfielder, the fresh-legs-defensive-replacement guy, is 34.
Their peppy-speedy leadoff man is 33. Their catcher is 34. Their first baseman is 37. Their third baseman is a wee lad of just 31, and their supersub, who’ll see extensive action at multiple positions, is a callow naif of 30.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 18, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s almost hard to believe that season didn’t go well.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have never liked Dave Roberts.
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you aren’t talking personally, but I have a cousin in SD who knows him well. Says he’s one of the nicest guys he knows, always helping with little leaguers and volunteering. Made it hard to be too down on the guy when he was here.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I’m sure I would have no problems with Dave the Person, but Dave the Ball-player makes me angry. Stupid Dodgers.
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s another week in the box.
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone check? Maybe “sever the muscles in your leg while stepping on first base” and “be a terrible reliever” where in his contract?
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
WERE not where.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Denker is a free agent
Just sayin’
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 18, 2009 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
YOU ARE NOT SAYING!!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU DON'T SAY?!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 18, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YO UDON- STAY!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Nov 18, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I DO SAY BECAUSE I AM NOT SAYING, I AM JUST SAYING!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SAY WUT?!?!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 18, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But I hardly even know ’er!
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to stay with
Garko / Ishikawa.
Nobody likes money
by fwoty oz on Nov 18, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore, I propose that Garko ain’t bad… hitters quite typically suck eggs for a while when they switch leagues.
Nobody likes money
by fwoty oz on Nov 18, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
enh
Oft-repeated vague claim that I’ve never seen any evidence of.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it just kind of makes sense that new pitchers are going to be harder to hit.
If you won’t buy that, then I’ll go with 127 PAs mean nothing (especially with a .243 BABIP).
Nobody likes money
by fwoty oz on Nov 19, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of things kind of make sense but aren’t actually true, though.
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by jcb9 on Nov 19, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit A to the contrary...
Randy Winn, September 2004
by BobSacamano on Nov 18, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ishikawa was a rookie in 2009
yeah, his numbers aren’t that exciting, but 2009 was his first full season in the major leagues and he only turned 26 in late September. He’s bound to get better offensively now that he’s been through the league.
He certainly has some areas to improve on as a hitter, but less than 2 years ago we all wrote him off and he surprised us in 2008 by putting up some monster numbers in AA and AAA, so it isn’t as if he’s not capable.
He’ll never be an offensive star and maybe the Giants can’t afford to wait for him any longer, but it’s way to early to give up on him as a major leaguer.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 18, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wish to believe in what you say
but I think Ishikawa is only valuable in a league that has DFs (Designated Fielder).
by BigO on Nov 18, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your last sentence completely. However, on a team with a horrible offense and few places to upgrade, waiting for Ish isn’t a possibility, IMO.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect I’m alone in this — maybe OGC is with me — but if I had to choose one of them to start, I’d take Ishikawa over Garko.
The evidence is strong that Garko’s one good year was a fluke, and I think he’s more likely to post a 740 OPS than an 850. And in addition to the enormous difference in their glovework, Ishi is three years younger and has some room to grow.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m kind of with you. Garko pretty much Is What He Is, which isn’t very good. Ishikawa won’t be anything special, but his defense is a lot better, his inability to hit lefties isn’t as big a problem as Garko’s inability to hit righties because there aren’t as many of them, and I could see Ishikawa improving somewhat.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, you aren’t alone. But I do feel weird about it
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 18, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it depends on if you think Ishikawa can ever become a league average hitter. I do think he’s quite good on defense, just maybe not +10 runs good.
If you call Ishikawa a .320 wOBA hitter (basically his career wOBA to this point) and a +5 run defender, he’s a .5 win player in the NL. If you call Garko a .345 wOBA hitter with -5 run defense, he’s a 1 win player in the NL. The worse Garko hits, the closer the gap gets.
I don’t know. Neither is preferable but I’m not sure Ishikawa is going to get better because he’s younger.
by xanthan on Nov 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wOBA Pos. WAA Defense Rep. PT% WAR $WAR 0.320 -1.25 -0.70 0.5 2 1 0.55 2.84 0.325 -1.25 -0.41 0.5 2 1 0.84 4.11 0.330 -1.25 -0.12 0.5 2 1 1.13 5.39 0.335 -1.25 0.17 0.5 2 1 1.42 6.67
That’s Ishikawa’s numbers based on average-to-high projections. PT% is set to 700 PA’s — depending on how much he plays, you would adjust the final WAR total.
by xanthan on Nov 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure he’s going to get better, but more often than not a 26-year-old will improve, at least a little bit, while a 29-year-old won’t.
Neither of them is going to be a positive at first, but they really are an ideal platoon combo, so hopefully Bochy will use them in that way if Sabean can’t land someone good. But he really should land someone good.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/slider at your back foot
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/swings as hard as I can.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This could easily be the best response to any post about a Giants player.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/half the giants dugout reaches for their bats
by fantastical on Nov 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…after he fouls off a few pitches down the dick.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 18, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What was the story with the huge difference in his home/away splits this year? Wasn’t it some sort of pitching machine with bright colors that got him more focused on the pitch that they couldn’t take on the road? Help please.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
home cooking?
the splits are pretty extreme.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On one of the telecasts they related it to some pitching machine at home that highlighted the ball better and Ishi said it helped his focus before the game. Just trying to find a link…
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 18, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. I thought you were making that up. interesting. never heard of that before.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 18, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
26 year-old rookie = not a prospect
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By this, I mean that a marginal improvement can be expected from Ishikawa offensively, but he is already in his prime. He will not, in all likelihood, not improve very much from last year’s performance.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm right there with you.
I’m torn about Ishikawa. Wish he’d get another chance instead of Velez and Renteria.
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
by kennv on Nov 19, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it once and i'll say it again, get Pujols and your problems are solved
NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT PEOPLE, haha, but yea i’m all for keeping Garko, just get some production around him in the lineup
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
just get some production around him in the lineup
You know that’s not happening, right?
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I say it again…
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
:), /prays that Sabean signs someone productive
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not too sure about that.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 18, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give up
The praying may eventually do some good.
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by djp4cal on Nov 18, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THESE ARENT MY CRAYONS!!!!!!!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not very optimistic about the 2010 San Francisco Giants.
The new Animal Collective EP is sweet though!
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can’t get into Animal Collective =\
by xanthan on Nov 18, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should make friends with Panda Bear’s brother or something, and he’ll help get you into the group.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It took me awhile. Actually, I still haven’t really listened to anything pre-Feels.
BUT THE SONG GRAZE ON THE NEW EP IS SO GOOD
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you there. Decent background music, though.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m giving Here Comes The Indian one more listen to see if I get anything out of it before I delete it.
Merriweather Post Pavilion is better, though. So there’s that.
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by groug on Nov 18, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should try out Strawberry Jam and Feels if you do like MPP
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 18, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New albums I've been liking lately
Flight of the Conchords
Tegan and Sara
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the new Tegan and Sara is great, though not as good as THE CON. But not much is. Top 5 of the year though, I think. I really liked this year for music.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on all counts. Last year there was a lot I liked, but nothing that jumped out as the best of the year. This year, I can think of at least four contenders off the top of my head.
And The Con is my favorite T&S album by a pretty huge margin.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year, I liked the Nick Cave album and a couple others, but none of them were albums that would really make my top 10 of the decade probably
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking up my top ten of 2008
1) J. Matthew Gerken, Christian Kiefer, and Jefferson Pitcher, Of Great and Mortal Men
2) Jenny Lewis, Acid Tongue
3) Kathleen Edwards, Asking for Flowers
4) Flight of the Conchords, Flight of the Conchords
5) Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!
6) Portishead, Third
7) She & Him, Volume One
8) Ra Ra Riot, The Rhumb Line
9) Joan as Police Woman, To Survive
10) Thao with the Get Down Stay down, We Brave Bee Stings And All
All good stuff, but nothing classic. If I was doing that list again, I might bump Portishead up a few spots.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Ra Ra Riot probably wouldn’t make it. I don’t think I’ve listened to that album all year.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw them live. My impression was that they would make a good studio band.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They do a killer live show, but a lot of the energy doesn’t translate and the bombacity of the live, electric strings doesn’t come through on their albums . . . which are still good.
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
One of these days, I was going to try to come up with a best of the decade list. That should be a fanpost for sure.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we had a fanpost like that awhile ago actually
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm. I don’t remember. Maybe I missed it. Which would be woeful.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/7/13/947900/ot-top-10-favorite-albums-of-the
Looks like you missed it.
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by groug on Nov 18, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Woe.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was even referenced in the thread! Man, I suck.
Now I’ll just have to post my list on some random thread where nobody cares when I make one.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized why I missed it, though
It was started the day before my son’s birthday.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Priorities, man.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I can even make myself care enough to go to 10
1) DLD!!!
2) Sun Kil Moon – April
3) Fleet Foxes – s/t
4) TV on the Radio – Dear Science
5) Kanye West – 808s & Heartbreak
6) Department of Eagles – In Ear Park
7) The Hush Sound – Goodbye Blues
8) Beach House – Devotion
9) Wolf Parade – At Mount Zoomer
10) and then like 10 albums that I don’t particularly care about and can’t really differentiate
a lot of solid stuff but nothing that changed my life
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The really weak year this decade for me was 2001. I have a top 10 list for every year this decade, but could only manage 5 for 2001. And I only really love one of those albums.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Cave’s No More Shall We Part is one of my favorite albums ever but past that, I don’t care too much.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The album I love from that year is one probably nobody else here has ever heard of
Girl Versions by Emm Gryner. She’s a Canadian singer-songwriter who’s been putting out albums since the late 90s who I’m very fond of. Girl Versions is a collection of covers of rock songs written by men – Straight to Hell by The Clash, Pour Some Sugar on Me, and others – recast as piano-based ballads. Sort of a weird idea, but it came out really great, I think.
I haven’t heard that Nick Cave album.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds pretty cool – I love cross-gender covers (and I love them best when they don’t change the pronouns.)
NMSWP is a bit too long but most of it is fantastic.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tori Amos put out a similarly themed album the same year, but it was one of the worst albums I’ve ever heard. Totally killed off my teenage Tori Amos fandom.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got that one but it’s like over an hour long and all covers so I’ve never listened to it
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The cover of “97 Bonnie and Clyde” is great and creepy as shit. The rest is mostly worthless.
Someone should really tell Tori Amos that not all albums have to be 70+ minutes long.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2001 was the year of “Love and Theft,” which remains my #1 of the decade. I don’t remember much else from that year, though.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/only has two Dylan albums
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And since we're off on this topic
My favorite albums each year for the decade:
2000: Aimee Mann, Bachelor No. 2, Or, The Last Remains of the Dodo
2001: Emm Gryner, Girl Versions
2002: Sleater-Kinney, One Beat
2003: A Mighty Wind soundtrack
2004: Rilo Kiley, More Adventurous
2005: Sufjan Stevens, Illinois (back when he still had interest in albums….sigh)
2006: Neko Case, Fox Confessor Brings the Flood
2007: The New Pornographers, Challengers
2008: J. Matthew Gerken, Christian Kiefer, and Jefferson Pitcher, Of Great and Mortal Men
2009: St. Vincent, Actor (or Neko Case’s album, I haven’t really decided yet)
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have these listed in a file or something? Tell me you don’t just know this stuff off the top of your head.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a file on my computer, yes.
I also have a list of every album I own, sorted by year. I’m a bit compulsive about cataloging.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol albums
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/desperately clinging to his love of record stores and the album format as long as that’s possible
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i still listen mostly to full albums
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the reasons why I’m an indie rock nerd is because it’s one of the few genres that still takes the album format seriously.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
which is to say: FUCK YOU SUFJAN
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really bummed about that. Both the 50 States albums were really great.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
but I don’t own “albums” as such. I haven’t bought music on physical media for a looooooong time. I know a lot of people like liner notes and stuff but I"m not organized enough for that.
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I buy a ton of used CDs every so often but I mostly download.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
that’s the problem with my area. We don’t really have any cool used music shops AT ALL.
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i need to fix it up but for right now
2000: Modest Mouse – The Moon & Antarctica
2001: Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds – No More Shall We Part
2002: Tom Waits – Alice
2003: Sun Kil Moon – Ghosts of the Great Highway
2004: Arcade Fire – Funeral
2005: The National – Alligator
2006: Scott Walker – The Drift
2007: The National – Boxer
2008: Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds – Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!
2009: The Antlers – Hospice
man that’s a lot of dudes
I like making lists on RYM <_<
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like The Arcade Fire. Both albums just missed being my favorites of their respective years.
My list has a lot of women, so I guess we balance out.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Antlers? I’ve been out of the country for a little while this year but haven’t checked that one out. I liked Grizzly Bear’s new album, though it was a bit overhyped
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Veckatimest is top 5 for me. There’s been too much backlash, lately, it’s great.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That The National album is pretty good.
by xanthan on Nov 18, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
every The National album is pretty good imo
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like their S/T.
One of things that kinda bums me out as I get older, is that I don’t have the same time to sit around and listen to music. I really liked mellowdrone’s new album this year.
by xanthan on Nov 18, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I’ll really miss about working from home is all the time I have to listen to music.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The job I’m hoping to get after the move: Adjunct Professor of English at the local community college. wheee.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like this is going to happen to me soon and I don’t want it to :(
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My dad listens to music like all day every day. His work situation isn’t exactly typical, though – he’s a professor and does most of his classes online, so mostly he’s home during the day.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still listen to a good bit of music but I find that I don’t have the time to explore new music. I tend to listen to whatever is in my collection.
by xanthan on Nov 18, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are some good music podcasts and such out there that’ll expose you to lots of good stuff if you’re interested.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I’m listening to one of those shows now and they’re doing a special on prog rock. SHUDDER!
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All songs considered FTW
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love your ’04, ’05 and ’07 picks which means I should probably subscribe to your newsletter. Got to see the National at Bimbos a few years back, it was awesome.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 18, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2000: PJ Harvey, Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea.
2001: Dylan, Love & Theft
2002: Cornershop, Handcream for a Generation
2003: Libertines, Up the Bracket
2004: Joanna Newson, The Milk-Eyed Mender
far as I can get at the moment …
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite PJ Harvey is still To Bring You My Love, but that’s an amazing album as well.
I really like Ys by Joanna Newsom, but I haven’t made it around to The Milk-Eyed Mender yet.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite PJ Harvey albums are either Dry or White Chalk, depending on my mood. Pretty much everything I’ve heard from her is great though.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
White Chalk is totally underrated. One of my favorites of 2007.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh. What do you guys like about it? The melodies are nice and the singing is technically amazing, but it can’t touch any of her other albums imho — in range, in depth of ideas, in power of expression.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to put my finger on what I like about it, but I guess I’d say there’s a certain very creepy, haunting quality about it that I really like.
Her albums that I can’t really get into are Uh Huh Her and Is This Desire? Not that I think they suck – I’m just pretty indifferent.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the creepy/haunting moniker. Plus it’s really short.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of her albums are pretty short. I don’t think any of them are much more than 45 minutes.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is creepy and haunting, I’ll give you that. And the solo concert she did for that album was truly amazing. I guess I just want a little more blood, guts, and fury from a PJ Harvey album.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what a lot of people complain about with Stories From the City, Stories from the Sea, though.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can dig that, but it’s cool to see the “softer” side of her too.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2000: Mass Romantic, The New Pornographers
2001: Beulah, The Coast Is Never Clear
2002: Sleater-Kinney, One Beat
2003: The Wrens, The Meadowlands
2004: Stars, Set Yourself On Fire (that’s when it came out in Canada, so I’m counting it, dammit)
2005: The Mountain Goats, The Sunset Tree
2006: The Thermals, The Body The Blood The Machine
2007: Of Montreal, Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer
For 2008 and 2009, I’m really not sure.
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by groug on Nov 18, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like that Stars album.
Amy Millan has a new-ish solo album out – it’s quite nice.
Mass Romantic is a great album too, though Challengers is my favorite by the New Pornographers.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, you reminded me that she is playing in SF at Cafe Du Nord. Then I just looked it up and it was last month.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 19, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hissing Fauna is pretty perfect. 2007 was a good year.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Of Montreal live a few years ago. They were pretty weird.
by xanthan on Nov 19, 2009 5:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, I forgot about that one. It’d be up there for me, but it’s nowhere near my #1 of the decade.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It sorta bugs me that my favorite album of the decade is feckless old-fart music, but what can you do? I never get tired of it.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really great, though not quite as good as Time Out of Mind in my book.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHO U CALLIN FECKLESS?
/has never heard of 90% of these albums
/turns on John Lennon album
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 18, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time (The Revelator) by Gillian Welch
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 18, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. There’s a wonderfully creepy song called “John the Revelator” on the Anthology of American Folk Music. I wonder if there’s a connection.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dunno. Beautiful album though.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 18, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Gillian Welch knows that song, but I don’t think hers has anything to do with it directly.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey you do as much as he has and you’re bound to come out with some pretty awful stuff.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2) yes
3) yes
4)yes
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 18, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good list, but I would definitely throw some Bon Iver and Sigur Ros… and possibly Yeasayer, though seeing them live bumps them up a bit on my list
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 18, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yeasayer album is pretty solid, good call.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bon Iver and Sigur Ros are both on my list of stuff to check out. I’ve only heard a little Yeasayer, but I wasn’t blown away by what I’ve heard.
Also, their name always looks like Yesteryear to me.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ve found Yeasayer to be pretty hit or miss with people, but I really liked 2080 right away. Bon Iver is fantastic, one of my favorite artists, his album For Emma, Forever Ago is one I still listen to. Sigur Ros is good music to kick back to, but nothing more… it doesn’t help that I don’t speak Icelandic
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 18, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t a lot of Sigur Ros’s songs in a fictional language anyway?
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, “hopelandic”
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh hah I had no idea, I just knew they were from Iceland. I must sound really stupid trying to sing along to that
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 18, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2000 Modest Mouse – The Moon and Antarctica
2001 Strokes – Is This It?
2002 Libertines – Up the Bracket (UK Release)
2003 Radiohead – Hail to the Thief
2004 Arcade Fire – Funeral (Great year for albums)
2005 Of Montreal – The Sunlandic Twins
2006 Camera Obscura – Let’s Get Out of This Country
2007 The Good, the Bad, & the Queen – The Good, the Bad, & the Queen
2008 I can’t think of anything off the top of my head…
2009 Girls – Album
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Nov 18, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WAY BETTER THAN THE CON!!!!!!!
OMGOMGOMG I LOVE ITTTTTT so much.
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG SO WRONG
but at least you like T&S
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The con as a whole was probably better maybe kinda sorta
but the last 3 songs on sainthood are so great, it puts it ahead IMO.
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
St. Vincent and Neko Case will probably be tops on my best of the year list, though.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
both of those were great. The Antlers are topping the list for me though.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I’ve heard them.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really, really good but really, really depressing. I highly recommend it.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, now that I check, one of their songs – “The Universe is Going to Catch You” showed up in one of the Song of the Day podcasts I subscribe to back in January. And I saved it, so apparently I liked it. But it looks like that’s from an album from last year, so maybe it’s not the same one. I’ll have to listen again, though.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a great song but it’s a bit older. The new one is a concept album about cancer!
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just listened to a little of the song Kettering – it sounds great! I’ve needed some new music, thank you
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 18, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome! My personal favorites are Two and Epilogue, but I think it’s more or less perfect. (Anyone who says the album is “dead” is WRONG)
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about overall favorite bands? I’ve seen Nick Cave mentioned a lot by McCoven, but I’ve got something personal against him, or people who are fans of him.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 18, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, uh, he’s my favorite artist ever. Why do you have something against him, if you don’t mind me asking?
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, long story involving an old girlfriend and her ex. I do like Dig Lazarus Dig, haven’t really listened to anything else, but I just can’t really relax listening to him because of that
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 18, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s unfortunate
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen Nick Cave mentioned a lot by McCoven
LOL JPONRY IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WHOLE!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s true. The sooner you realize this the better.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey prony—did you ever get your beach ball fixed?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
no
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not that bad a problem, i suppose?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it’s annoying as shit, I just haven’t had the time to fix it. I’m assuming my whole computer is going to crap out any minute!
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to take my Mac Book Pro in before we move and there’s no local Apple Store. I get about 10 minutes of battery life. Not so good.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, i need to do the same when i get back to the Bay, because mine has a messed up CD drive from dropping it one too many times
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is it me, or do women tend to just wait ’til the whole thing just craps out? I have three sisters and a mom to testify by…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just you.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/figures
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL WIMMINS
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by groug on Nov 18, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
You’re talking about a Mac thing.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me thinks it’s a chick thing
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 18, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d stop pursuing that angle if I were you.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i know the drill
/still fun, though
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 19, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah! My first quoted reply!
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 18, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hospice is absolutely incredibly.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 18, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard the new Flight album is just a bunch of stuff that was originally on the show?
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All the songs were in the second season of the show.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same deal with their first album, except those were songs from the first season.
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by jcb9 on Nov 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the show had a second season? oh snap
by fantastical on Nov 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh snapping yourself is no better than TWSSing yourself.
by Evan on Nov 18, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Bruce Bochy doesn’t listen to anything newer than Muddy Waters
by fantastical on Nov 18, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong. He’s got all the Tim Flannery CDs.
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by bgunn on Nov 18, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the part where I zone out.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only I had been playing NSMBW instead of watching Hudsucker Proxy with a runny nose and a fever, I’d have something to talk to you about.
But alas, unless you want to talk about Hudsucker Proxy, maybe zoning out is the way to go.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No you likey penguin?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a flying squirrel and we’d have something
by locutus on Nov 18, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man I wants that game. But I don’t have the money for it right now.
:(
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still waiting for my copy of NSMBW to come.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh cool, so we can talk about how we haven’t played it yet. Man, I need to play it soon. But at least I have it…
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/sob
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, watch your tongue.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Will it do a trick?
It’s actually quite hard to watch your tongue. Without a mirror at least.
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"My friend once told me a story about San Francisco Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum. He said his cousin went out to a bar in San Francisco and saw Lincecum there. He went up to him to give him a handshake.
Lincecum refused. He didn’t want to give him a handshake. He wanted to give him a chest bump."
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 19, 2009 5:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know… For kids!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 18, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. I liked the movie well enough. I probably would have liked it better if I had special feelings for the screwball classics. Overall I thought it tended to get way too cutesy with the screwball stuff, though. But again, the screwball heydey isn’t my cup o’ joe, so it probably doesn’t take too much to make me feel like it’s trying too hard.
That said, Bruce Campbell was pitch-freaking-perfect.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When is Bruce Campbell not pitch-perfect?
I am not well-schooled in the screwball comedies, but if you haven’t seen “His Girl Friday” it is worth seeing, I think it is quite excellent.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 19, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have seen it. I think Cary Grant is probably capable of making most things that aren’t up my alley pretty darn enjoyable. Him and Jimmy Stewart.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cary Grant is awesome. Arsenic and Old Lace is a classic.
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by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Rancid had a new album – Let the Dominoes Fall – out this past year and the acoustic tracks (on the expanded edition) are spectacular.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t stop thinking about Russell Branyan.
by deuce deuce on Nov 18, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thats too bad
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The correct answer is Tommy Joseph
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 18, 2009 3:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, this thread is about things.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Music, mostly. I was just skimming, but I’m pretty sure that since jponry has a lot of the comments that it has to do with Nick Cave.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit and after I’d decided I was going to stop talking about Nick Cave so much and talk about Wayne Coyne more…
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by jponry on Nov 18, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Things that rhyme with ‘orange’
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that comic strip.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's how the Barnes trade worked
I’m looking forward to the free prospects from the Yankees, A’s and Angels.
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by thehavenot on Nov 18, 2009 4:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what time will it be announced?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
somebody needs to tell me whens its anounced
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tell me who won, facebook message me
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t that what that twitter thing is for?
by Merope on Nov 18, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont tweet
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t have to, just go to baggarly’s twitter
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I cant get online on my phone
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya
but i could go to the computer lab
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
best part about college, aside from all the fun, is the fact you can just bring your computers to class
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya
I cant wait
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i know you’re a freshman, but CAL for school?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im a junior
and no way, but my sister goes there
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 19, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pst…go to Boston College. I hear they have lots of really cool kids there. Not that I would know.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pfffft who'd want to travel all the way to Boston for school
by PiKAgiant on Nov 19, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would want to live in Ohio? I’m sorry. That was a low blow.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More like Ohi-OW!!! BURNED!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OhiOWNED
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Nov 19, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yours is better than mine.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are instructors here that are not allowing that anymore. Apparently some instructors have caught on to the fact that, some students, in lieu of chewing their appendages off due to to boredom, are on the internet during lectures.
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 6:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, really? i mean, i’d use the internet to look up something the instructor was talking about and i didn’t understand, or look up a homework assignment, reading assignment, or yea just goof off, but for real, it’s almost necessary in some of my classes to have it
by PiKAgiant on Nov 19, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never brought my laptop to class. But my campus was huge! and I was lazy.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, well, i dont bring mine to class all the time, but i do bring it a bunch of times, and yea our campus isn’t HUGE but it’s big and i usually just walk everywhere, takes me about 20 25 mins
by PiKAgiant on Nov 19, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I only brought my laptop to class on nights when the Giants were playing…
It IS easier to take notes on the laptop, lugging it in from the parking lot however…. that’s another story.
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain.
This year I will be with 21 hyperactive 4 year olds at the time of the announcement. No phone, no internet, no nothing until sometime after 1pm. I’ll find out who won while I’m driving to the gym later on. Stupid traditional schedule school year.
by Merope on Nov 19, 2009 6:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, i think it’s announced at 2 ET, so 11 PT…. nevermind, actually just use “twitter.com/extrabaggs”
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you’ll be drunk!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Common misconception, since you’re only drunk (maybe) on a Friday night, saturday
by PiKAgiant on Nov 19, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
last year it was announced between 9 & 10 left coast time, but then again it was announced on Nov 11 last year.
by Merope on Nov 18, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But wasn’t the AL cy young announced at 11 pacific on Tuesday?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson pls
He’s got OBP. I need OBP. Thx.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Nov 18, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who's down with OBP?
Yeah you know me!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 18, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s down with OBP?
Yeah you know me Xanthan!
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