Would you trade Jeremy Affeldt?
by coicoy on Nov 17, 2009 9:05 PM PST
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I keep having this whack-a-doodle idea that trading Jeremy Affeldt after a career year like he had last year might not be a terrible idea. He's at peak value, and some team desperate for a closer would have to consider him. I realize this puts the Giants in a troubled spot for the 8th inning set-up man, but let's face it, they're gonna be there in a year when Affeldt's contract is completed and he's in line for a look around the league. If he's traded now, the Giants can reap the benefits of last year's performance while investing in some younger players - arms or bats.
Is this idea completely crazy?
What would be a fair and beneficial return for trading him?
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 17, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we can get someone like Pujols or Hanley Ramirez for him I might consider it.
by Into the Void on Nov 17, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
love the groundball rate (especially last years but i’m not sure if that’s sustainable) but he still walks way too many batters and his BABIP was quite low and will regress even if he keeps his GB% that ridiculously high. he’s in no way a sub-2 and probably not a sub-3 ERA guy. i’d definitely trade him if we could get decent value in return, but if not i’m perfectly fine having him in the bullpen as he’s still an effective reliever.
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by TimLincecumIsGod on Nov 17, 2009 9:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’s a pretty good but not incredible setup man on a one year, $4 million contract. He wouldn’t get much in return.
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by boonitez on Nov 17, 2009 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
his stats seemed to be better than his actual performance.
Am I being ridiculous here? I would trade him if I could get decent value, a younger player who has an upside even better than Afeldt’s.
by bradleybear on Nov 17, 2009 9:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he did have like 21 straight scoreless innings. It probably only seems that way because his struggles mostly came at the end of the year.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No chance.
The market is currently flooded with closers, so I can’t imagine a team that is “desperate” for Affeldt. I can also imagine Affeldt being a Type A free agent at the end of 2010 so we also need to consider the value of the draft pick we would get (assuming we don’t retain Affeldt).
I think the only way we get full value for him is to keep him through 2010 and offer arb after 2010.
by velvadp on Nov 17, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
great point, especially regarding arb.
by coicoy on Nov 17, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly wouldn’t dismiss the possibility out of hand, especially if it nets club-controlled talent and helps with payroll space.
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by dregarx on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i’d trade him in the right deal, certainly, but i don’t know that we’d really get anything for him that would make a huge difference.
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by jponry on Nov 17, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This
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by JRPhillips on Nov 18, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Just like I trade Wilson, for the right return.
Not both, though.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 17, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who do you think is next in line for the closers role if something were to happen to Wilson?
Romo?Affeldt?Runzler?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Won't matter if we never get a lead to hold.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For whatever reason
I’ve always felt like Romo could be a good closer. He throws so damn hard and the ball always seems to just wiggle around in the air.
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by GiantPain on Nov 17, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Pecota comps sure fit the bill.
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by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He seems like he has closer mentality too, he would be my guess
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Wilson gets injured/traded then Romo/Affeldt close in 2010 (ie go with the hot hand) but in 2011 and beyond the ball goes to Runzler
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by Gobroks on Nov 18, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, trade him to the rays for bj upton. they need a closer!
but seriously, we’re not gonna get anything special for him, maybe another fred lewis type player, but that’s it.
by speedyt72000 on Nov 17, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That would be very problematic if we had 2 Fred Lewis type players.
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by SeeingStars on Nov 18, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it would double the amount of problems on the giants
by sfoakbay on Nov 18, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pointless Poll - He Isn't Going To Be Traded And Even If He Was What We Got Would Not Improve The Team
As a team trying to contend he is worth more to us playing for us then he could possiblly be with in trade return.
by giantsrainman on Nov 17, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Unless he pitches down to his peripherals next season.
Then he’d be much more expendable, though not particularly valuable on the trade market at his salary.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 17, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But I don’t think he’s in high demand.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 12:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was thankful for that poll option.
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by kennv on Nov 18, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Yeah, his ERA was ridiculously low last year, but GMs of major league teams (that don’t call San Francisco home) tend to look at more than just that stat. Maybe he nets you a midlevel prospect, but as someone else pointed out, the potential Type A status is a better bet.
by quincy0191 on Nov 18, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
beyond ERA...
he also stranded a lot of inherited runners. A number of times he didn’t allow runs to cross even if he inherited two or three runners already on base.
by coicoy on Nov 18, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but that doesn’t mean the return value in a trade would be worth more than the type A status return holding on to him would bring
by coicoy on Nov 18, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with this ^
Not much demand even though he’s pretty decent. There are relievers to be had if that is the hole a team really needs to fill without giving up too much.
Truth is I’m not really emotionally attached to any 1 player on this squad the way I was with Will Clark. A guy I would be/was crushed to lose. If a deal would upgrade the team I’d be willing to trade any ’ol warm body on this roster.
by armzdealr on Nov 18, 2009 1:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Wilson to Philly for one of their AA OF prospects.
Put Affeldt at closer. Set up with Romo and Runzler. Holla.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 18, 2009 1:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking along the same lines, except to Tampa for B.J. Upton.
by StickRat on Nov 18, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don’t think teams would offer us much for him. We have plenty of bullpen talent – I’m not oppsoed to trading Affeldt, it’s just he’x an expensive reliever. Teams can find that on the FA market. There’s no reason for them to give up talent for it. Relievers just aren’t that important, too….
If we’re going to trade a bullpen piece I’d trade Wilson. I think we should actively look at what teams will offer us for him, and if we get a good offer, take it.
by Missing Barry on Nov 18, 2009 6:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we are trying to sell high on a reliever, it should be Wilson.
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by rotorueter on Nov 18, 2009 7:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Runzler would probably bring a good return as well
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it. He’s shown promise in his 8.2 major league innings, yes, but he’s only pitched 8.2 major league innings. Besides, I like Runzler and it’s not like we’re flush with lefty relievers.
by quincy0191 on Nov 18, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we trade Wilson we should Runzler and vice versa
I think one of those 2 will be closing games for the Giants a while (obviously not Runzler this year)
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by Gobroks on Nov 18, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking about this yesterday
I would trade him in the right deal. the team is so limited in terms of what it can do this offseason and just about everybody needs to be examined in terms of their potential trade value. That he might be a Type A FA after 2010 just increases his trade value.
Of course, bullpens are always a question mark. Runzler might not be the guy, despite his meteoric rise thru the system last year. At this time last season, many thought Hinshaw would be a more permanent fixture in the pen and that didn’t pan out either. There are injuries and down years, etc. Having a guy like Affeldt provides a lot of stability to an often fickle part of most teams.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would trade anyone
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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind trading him
but the value has to be really good.
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by Gobroks on Nov 18, 2009 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would tare anyone for "the right price"
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 6:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
trade*
that was a bad typing fail
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
I have a nice Chase Utley to offer you for your Lincecum.
Whatcha say?
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by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pass
Not the right price. I’m not sure any player is worth Lincecum.
by quincy0191 on Nov 18, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not completely sure about who I'd choose
But one thing to consider: as a pitcher, lincecum is probably more risky. Injury is a concern no matter how efficient his mechanics are. And Utley has shown himself to be one of the better position players over the past few years. (Also: are we considering contracts?) As much as I love timmy, I’d probably accept the deal.
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by raisingcain on Nov 18, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d assume we’re looking at contracts here.
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by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure he’s riskier. On the other hand, finding good pitchers is hard enough. Finding great pitchers is damned near impossible. Utley is a rare talent as well; in terms of value, they’re probably about equal (Timmy’s a little more valuable). But Lincecum is entrenched in the minds of our fanbase; if we traded him even for another superstar like Utley, most fans would be pretty pissed and that would have an impact on the team. Tim is a player the organization found and developed and therefore he’s special in the eyes of the fans, unlike a guy like Utley. Add that to the difficult of finding pitching and I don’t think Utley is worth Timmy.
by quincy0191 on Nov 18, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With the Giants current needs, I probably take it
but I would definetly take Utley and Drabek
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I’m imagining the Phils with Lincecum, Lee, and Hamels.
Oof, scary thought.
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by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be so quick to lay the hammer down on Hamels. He’s had two straight years with 3.72 FIP at the ages of 24 and 25. There’s some serious breakout potential there considering how low his ERA was compared to his FIP last year. And his BABIP jumped 50 points while his line drive rates stayed static.
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by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction: That should be how high the ERA was last year.
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by dregarx on Nov 18, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But with a little Zito in him, making him worse
by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And injury issues. Even Barry Zito doesn’t have injury issues.
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by cornball on Nov 19, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Easier to not have injury issues when your arm isn’t moving all that fast.
by quincy0191 on Nov 19, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by tyrannoman on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we could package him with someone like Sanchez for a BJ Upton or a Curtis Granderson than I’m all for it
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by KingChronic on Nov 19, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, in a package deal for something well above average, I’d be okay with it. As a standalone kind of guy, or for the typical Sabean trade for middling upgrade, I’d be all against it.
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by JRPhillips on Nov 19, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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