A Note on the Giants' Offseason Plans
by Grant on Nov 17, 2009 2:58 PM PST
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If you missed the State of the Sabean, here you go. Some of the key points:
- Brad Penny wants too much money.
- Juan Uribe wants too much money.
- Bengie Molina wants a multi-year deal, which the Giants aren’t willing to do.
- Trades stink because other teams want good players.
- The Giants are going to buy a new offense through free agency.
- They aren’t going to spend for Matt Holliday, so get ready for Jermaine Dye.
- Welcome, Jermaine Dye.
Those last two aren’t explicitly detailed in the article, but it doesn’t take much to read between the lines. This offseason is like a bad game of solitaire, and we’re now cycling through our options at the end of the game over and over and over again.
Huh. Let’s see. I don’t want to give up value in a trade, as we don’t have a crazy surplus anywhere, and I don’t want to decimate our farm system, so let’s look at free agents.
Oh. All of these players are old and declining, a marginal upgrade with little upside, or they’re far too expensive for a team trying to pay Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand. Maybe there’s another way.
Hmm. Yeah, it doesn’t make sense to trade Madison Bumgarner for Dan Uggla on, like, 15 different levels. I wouldn’t trade Bumgarner unless it was in some crazy deal for a player like Justin Upton, and that’s obviously not happening. Maybe there’s a bargain free agent out there.
Hey, not much out there. I guess there’s some flexibility with Pablo Sandoval’s ability to play first or third, but I’m not a fan of any of these guys, really. Maybe we can trade for someone.
And you keep cycling through the options, over and over and over and over until you find yourself writing a FanPost like this:
Okay, here’s the plan:1. We move the jack of hearts to an empty spot, as it used to occupy an empty spot in the minor leagues
2. Trade the six of clubs to one of the empty ace slots. Flip over the card underneath and everything should open up.
3. Take the six of diamonds from up top and put it in front of the five of spades. Now you can move things around.
So the new card lineup should look like this:
King of diamonds
Queen of spades
Jack of diamonds…
The next thing you know, you’re mumbling to yourself at a bus station with unwashed hair and a full diaper. Just give yourself a break. There is no solution. I’m glad that Sabean doesn’t want to give too much money to Uribe or Penny. I’m glad that there’s no way that Molina is going to get two years from the team. But there’s no way to escape from the bad offense. Not this offseason. Edgar Renteria is going to start at short. Aaron Rowand is going to start in center. Eugenio Velez is going to start in left. There isn't a way to fix that kind of head start, not even with $100M of free agent cash to throw around.
Bad offense. Bad, naughty, bad offense. Just accept it and hope that Thomas Neal and Buster Posey are above-average hitters by 2011.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the extra money from expiring contracts
what they don’t spend in arbitration, they’ll throw it at somebody and somebody will take it…and 2010 will be like 2008 and 2009 had a kid.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well, there goes the rest of the idea
/opens solitaire program
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 17, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
how did my brain think "day" and my fingers type "idea" ???
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 17, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
but I wasn't talking...
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 17, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Listen, just step away from the giraffe so we can talk about this reasonably.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s one for everything.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i love em lots
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This might be the most specifically appropriate cartoon response ever.
by Bad Horse on Nov 17, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Make one offensive upgrade to the outfield and one to the infield
If Bay and Uggla aren’t acceptable, the best option would seem to be Cameron/Nady and NJ.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 17, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bay and Nady are unacceptable and I’m not sure that Uggla makes sense now that we have Sanchez signed.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why is bay unacceptable? I forsee many happy days in giants baseball with bay on the team
unless you mean unrealistic, which it might be. But so are a lot of things that end up happening.
perhaps bay is a poet and fancies himself playing for a team on the bay?
i have faith
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
meh…
I’d take a defensive hit for his bat.
average defense and competitive offense sounds better than stellar defense and anemic offense
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Problem Is Bay Isn't Close To Being Average On Defense - He Is Flat Out Bad
by giantsrainman on Nov 17, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
(This is getting spooky.)
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
still though, wasn’t bonds defense bad as well?
Not saying Bay’s bat = Bond’s bat, but perhaps the best hitter on the team can be afforded a little slack defensively.
All seems moot given the contract he’s likely going to be offered by the sox anyway.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds' bat more than made up for his sub par D later on
but Bay is nowhere near comparable. His D is worse and his bat isn’t good enough to make up for it.
AND he’d be making 18 mil a year
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we pay that for a LF
it should be Holliday. He is better in every way and is younger.
Honestly, there is no reason this team shouldn’t go after him. His D isn’t great either, but man he’d be awesome. And they have money…
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though Sabean didn’t say as much, if Holliday is too expensive, then Bay is way too expensive and I wouldn’t expect to see Bay in orange and black.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god for that
though I think Holliday is worth it.
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
easy reason why Holliday will never be a Giant: Scott Boras
Apparently Sabean does not deal with Boras which is good because Boras is an extremely evil human being, but frustrating because he scoops up talent like Bork scoops up pasta.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like when we missed out on signing Barry Zito!
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t Bonds a Boras client at one point, too?
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that because of the dealings with Bonds and Zito through Boras made sabean swear him off. Thought I heard that once. Maybe not.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds was a Borris client. Whole different dude entirely.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Later in his career (see below).
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was a Boras client before he was a Borris client.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see y’all beat me to the punch on this.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now he’s contemplating entering the agent game representing Burriss. Just to confuse people.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In 1996, Boras stole the Giants’ #1 draft pick from them. If that didn’t make them swear him off…
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he does that with #1 picks it seems.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This was something of a special case
That year, he got several top draft picks, including our #1 guy (6th overall pick I believe) declared free agents on the open market because of some asinine technicality.
In the long run, Matt White flopped, so it didn’t hurt us, but at the time, man…
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He represents everything that ruins baseball.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he’s just really good at his job. Baseball is hurt by a financial model that really benefits only a handful of teams and a union that refuses to see that a salary cap and floor likely wouldn’t hurt average salaries in the long-run.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
it’s the owners who refuse a salary floor.
They say “cap” the players say “ok, but a floor too” and they pull back.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the players had totally nixed the hard cap in the last round of negotiations.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the rich owners are insistent upon a floor if there is a cap.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol all the owners are rich.
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 17, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they’re richer than us!
Well most of us…
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything is relative.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No the union considers a salary floor to be philosophically indistinguishable from a salary cap (once you’ve allowed the floor you have no principal left to take a stand against a cap) and refuses to discuss the concept.
Personally I’m split on the idea. Yes, stupid teams would hand out stupid contracts if they had to reach a floor, but at least they wouldn’t just be pocketing revenue sharing cash.
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by Roger on Nov 18, 2009 5:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
I love how somehow Boras is the villain and the owners are these poor people getting taken advantage of.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I'm concerned
I am the victom, not the owners.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why are you a victim?
because your team isn’t the best?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because baseball isn't as pure as it should be
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's purer than workers recieving proper compensation for their services?
Certainly not upper, upper management sitting on their asses and raking in the dough.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 17, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to baseball?
Not paying or spending money at all.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't disagree more.
And, taking my argument to it’s logical conclusion, the major college sports are inherently evil.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 17, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’m talking about nobody making or spending money.
Not the owners, the players, the fans, the umpires, the vendors…
There’s nothing purer than people playing and watching baseball simply for the love of the game.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, Buddhist sports.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 17, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bhutan’s most popular sport: archery
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, but
If they aren’t being paid, the players wouldn’t have the free time to hone their skils to the highest level. I love the game, which is why I don’t really like to see it played at less than the highest level.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 17, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Costas ?
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Nov 17, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's funny?
I have no problem with steroids whatsoever.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me while i puke on my shoes
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the owners who are the victims
It’s us and the players, who are forced to deal with this financial metagame that favors teams with deep pockets. Baseball shouldn’t favor the finanically fortunate.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Commie
(joking)
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
None of this is Scott Boras’ fault, though. He’s just very good at taking what the existing system is willing to give. The owners and the union are at fault.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bud Selig? Don Fehr?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the line I'm in
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bud selig's got his comin
patience…patience
OH OH IDEA TIME
what if salaries were all performance based and paid out of a collective MLB owner’s association pocket type thing. IE Uribe would have been paid more last year than Rowand.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How would you distribute players to the teams then?
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess a number between 1 and 700
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the gms brawl in a cage match for players names written on slips of paper
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wii Sports Resort tournament.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to speak for fantastical
but I would think that the system that worked before free agency would work here, too.
Draft and trades.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That system didn’t work…
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was ruled un-Constitutional by the Supreme Court. Oops.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are looking at baseball as a business
I’m looking at it as a pastime. Government and the constitution has nothing to do with baseball in this world-view.
Of course it’s not realistic. I’m speaking of ideals, here.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see what yo mean, but there are people’s livelihoods at stake. Perhaps the answer is robot-baseball.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Realistically
I think that free-agency has put more money into the hands of players. To think that 3 million dollars was considered a huge contract in the early 90’s…
However, I think that, ideally, it would be nice to simply have an outside source distribute that money fairly.
Again, it will never happen. But that is my fantasy.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not robot-baseball.
Monkeys would be fine.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 17, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CHANGE SOCIETY!!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 17, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sittin in mah computer chair, changing mah society
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SHEEPLE!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Just baseball.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
baseball IS a business
when you the goal for everyone is making money
by sfoakbay on Nov 17, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I don’t think the court did that. In the Flood case the court upheld the reserve clause.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 17, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we are both kind of right
The case actually upheld the Reserve Clause as something that could be negotiated (to the chagrin of MLB). This allowed the MLBPA to negotiate the removal of the RC from the CBA.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it did
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is sarcasm, right?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Baseball did just fine under this system.
If you are talking about what’s fair for the players, well, that’s not what I was talking about
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 18, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, extending that logic, slavery worked just fine.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 18, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you set aside the morality, and the unsustainability of a slave-based economy in a modernizing world, and the whole invasion-ending-in-fire-blood-and-ashes thing, then yeah, slavery worked out just fine.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, slavery
If I were to take these replies seriously, I would have to type much more than I am willing to right now. Let me just say that there is enough information in my posts over this sub-thread to show you that I am not advocating for slavery in baseball. Or something.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 18, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
uh, yeah, they weren't advocating slavery if that's what you mean
by sfoakbay on Nov 18, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's not what I mean
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by thehavenot on Nov 18, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying a system doesn’t work if one of the key participants is being horribly abused.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 18, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
even if they are making a ton of money.
by DrStankus on Nov 18, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know where you are coming from
It’s just that I’m not dealing in reality in this conversation.
Even if I were dealing with the reality of the situation, I don’t call not being able to choose the team you play for “being horribly abused.” For me, the real problem with pre-free-agency baseball was that the players were being screwed over with regards to their salaries.
If I were to try to realistically change baseball, I would want that to remain fixed. However, I’m not terribly concerned with whether the players get to choose what team they play for.
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by thehavenot on Nov 19, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds too fantastical
would never work
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to drive Mr. Merope crazy by suggesting that [sport currently under discussion] should have a set pay schedule.
Years of experience and position played should determine a players base salary.
For example all right fielders with 5 full seasons earn a base of $1million. Players can then supplement their pay via their stats.
If a team wants to emphasize OBP … players with higher OBP earn more extra $$.
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's great!
Unless you are a player, who doesn’t get to choose who he plays for – or negotiate a contract.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not crying for people who get to play baseball for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year (at the minimum).
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But don’t you agree with the basic notion that if there is extra money lying around, it should go to the players and not sit in the pockets of the owners?
Also, I think most players do deserve to be fought for. For every multi-millionaire, there are tons and tons of Jason Ellisons or Scott Munters. They deserve to be paid what they are worth the to org.
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by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there should be extra money lying around
Really, I don’t care about money. I care about baseball.
Look, I’m speaking ideally here.
Realistically, it is absolutely the owners and the players union that need to change. The Yankees should not be allowed to spend 200 million while other teams spend 30 million. There’s a problem on both ends of the spectrum, there.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if the owners all took equal shares from a communal pool? They can dole out whatever they what in whatever contract, but it just means they have to penny pinch. somewhere else. Owners can contribute however much they want, so it still pays to have deep pockets, but it is no longer a competitive edge.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he's really good at his job.
He’s still a symbol of what needs to be fixed in the game.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are better symbols. George Steinbrenner, John Henry….
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But I don't think Boras is innocent
He’s an enabler.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what you’re saying is, you hate America?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s too much money in the hands of too few owners. Boras is distributing more of it from the owners to the players. I don’t see how that is making the situation worse.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if the owners don’t spend that money, they just pocket it. I suppose that might be a little better for the competitive balance, but it isn’t good for the players.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is baseball
less competitively balanced than…
football? (pro or NCAA)
basketball?
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really care for other sports, but my understanding is that in football and basketball the revenue is shared more than in baseball.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Several articles have been written on this subject. If you normalize so that each league has the same number of play-off spots and look at the number of different teams making the “play-offs”, then baseball is equal to other sports.
However, the comparing on these grounds is somewhat false. Hope in a fan-base is kindled by actually having a chance at a championship. All American sports require appearing in the play-offs as a prerequisite for winning the championship and here is where baseball clearly falls short. Fewer teams actually make the play-offs in baseball and the reality is that two of the eight play-off teams in baseball are the same every year. The doesn’t leave much hope for fans, especially in the AL.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The salary structures
are WAYYYYY more fair in football. In theory every team in the NFL can be competitive every year, but they are just a susceptible to idiots running their team as baseball teams are.
Money usually isn’t an issue in football- any team with cap space has enough money to go after any player. There are some teams that aren’t as profitable, but the revenue sharing makes their assets basically even.
Also, drafting in the NFL is a little more important, since the draft is shorter and the players make a more immediate impact.
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at fault for what?
the fact that the Yankees have a $200M payroll?
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny because IRL I am a socialist
but in sports (or other entertainment industries) – pure capitalist.
That being said – it’s the weird free market/monopoly that results in the Yankees having a payroll 80% higher than the Red Sox. Every other owner is just a cheap bastard for not paying $100M/year
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yknow…unless they can’t afford it…
this discussion has far too much substance to be shoved so far over to the side
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How are they cheap? The Rays couldn’t sell out the Trop during their World Series year and many teams just don’t have the media revenue to support a pay-roll like that.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MILWAUKEE
had a ~100M payroll within the last few years.
By far the smallest market size. Maybe they can’t have a payroll that big for 10 years straight… but they certainly can afford it sometimes.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then the pendulum swings back and now they’re stuck cutting pay-roll because 100M is unsustainable. Yet 200M+ is sustainable for the Yankees. This is the issue.
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I admit
the Yankees’ budget is annoying.. beyond that, I don’t really see a problem.
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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to post this reply somewhere, but then the site started acting weird
I don’t know where I was going to put it, but I know it was in reply to zenbitz (I think)…
Well, I also would want changes made in how the owners/organization make/spend money too.
Lower ticket and vendor prices and put all of the money made into a collective pool to benefit all of the clubs in the league. The teams that make the best draft picks and best trades have the best teams.
It will NEVER happen. But that is my fantasy.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lower ticket and vendor prices…
To jump in a little bit on this conversation, I don’t see how this makes sense. Ticket prices are already below market value- this is why scalping exists. And there’s nothing inherently bad about having high vendor prices, if those are the prices the market will bear.
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by dregarx on Nov 17, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The market should have nothing to do with baseball
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Laissez faire
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not history, thats economy
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No no
I’m actually advocating the total opposite (in my ideal fantasy world).
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this such a silly demarcation line.
by DrStankus on Nov 17, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What demarcation line are you referring to?
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that baseball should be immune to the market just so that it can be “pure”
by DrStankus on Nov 17, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how that's a line of demarcation
Anyway, I’ve repeated several times that this is all fantasy so I’m kind of tired of discussing it.
Now, if we want to get into reality, we can do that…
I doubt there’s many takers, though.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I get what you’re saying, and I know it’s a fantasy/ideal situation, but the market has to do with everything when products are being bought/sold, you can’t divorce that from anything, including baseball, and an approach opposite to laissez faire would probably make the situation worse, when all is said and done.
I’m not saying it’s laissez faire now, because with the contract situations overall in major league baseball, it’s safe to say that’s not a ‘free market’ environment.
It’s nice to say that resource allocation should be divorced from baseball, but those systems create the incentives for the best players to play, many of whom would be doing something else if it didn’t pay.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 17, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except, in my ideal world, nothing would be bought and sold in baseball
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re entitled to it.
Yay
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 17, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad we could come to an arrangement
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by thehavenot on Nov 18, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And then he switched to Jeff Borris, which isn’t confusing at all.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, I forgot about the switch.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not as bad as Bay’s.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
from Keith Law - Bay D maybe not as bad as it seems (though probably still bad)
• Tyler Hissey writes that Jason Bay’s defense is “an inconvenient truth” for Bay’s agent, pointing out that UZR has had Bay as 10 or more runs below average on defense for three straight years. I agree that Bay is a below-average defender, but The Monster seems to play havoc with defensive statistics. Revised Zone Rating, for example, has him a little below the median for left fielders but with a relatively low total of plays made “out of zone,” which may be a function of the park (you can’t make an out-of-zone play behind the fence) or just a reflection of Bay’s limited range.
by Goat on Nov 17, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was shitty in Pittsburgh his last year there too
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by jponry on Nov 17, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but he had a bum knee right?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 17, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, he had a bum knee a few years ago and he’s getting older and I’m supposed to believe he’s a decent defensive player still?
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by jponry on Nov 17, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what to believe, I haven’t even really seen him play. My gut tells me he might not be as bad on D as we think, but that doesn’t mean I want to sign him for a billion dollars.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 18, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the green monster wrecked Manny’s defensive ratings. That bastard wall.
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by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds’ defense was never terrible until his last year. He always had good range and arm strength is over-rated. In fact, for the majority of his career – even late – Bonds was an above average defender. Bay has, once in the past three seasons, come close to giving all those runs he produced on offense right back on defense. That’s bad.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pilling on!
And the last couple years Bonds was not good, defensively, the Giants parked Omar & Pedro in front of him on the left side. That is just a tad different from the current left side.
If the Giants are handing out that kind of money they better be bring home Holiday of no one this off season.
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by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds’s defensive value, his last three seasons:
2005: 1.5
2006: -5.4
2007: -8.7
Bay, last three seasons:
2007: -11.5
2008: -18.4
2009: -13.0
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2008 is the season I referenced where Bay was barely above replacement by WAR.
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by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He had a pretty shitty UZR in his first 49 games with the Red Sox. Not as bad this year.
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by ResDog on Nov 17, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT BARRY WUZ OL DNAD HAD BAD NKESS
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barry: Old Nad.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BAY SURVIVED THE PRESSUR COOKUR
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It might work in the long run, but it’d be an awful lot of money to hand over to a guy who’d be learning a brand-new position.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And besides, his new position should probably be DH, which is why he might still end up in Boston to take over for Ortiz in 2011.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how do those numbers get calculated anyway?
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
magic wand
and some rum.
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by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like how babies are made.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/golf clap
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds wasn’t really all that bad.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess in 2007 he was kinda bad.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to point of depleting the value of his bat, though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, of course you do.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s that supposed to mean?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what it means.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know what it means. I just wish you wouldn’t be so damned passive aggressive about it!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No there isn’t. /doesn’t read link
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well fuck you then!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You wish!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my oh my… and all this started from a simple comment about Bonds
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As do most of my mental breakdowns.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Howie needs a hug
/steps away
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Nov 18, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure it happens often enough.
by fantastical on Nov 18, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps bay is a poet and fancies himself playing for a team on the bay?
He already plays in the Bay State. I doubt a mere Area can adequately tug his poetic heartstrings.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Area > State
It’s all about the ring, baby. Say it out loud.
POETRY
by fantastical on Nov 18, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s all about the ring, he’s probably better served not coming to the franchise that hasn’t had one in almost 60 years.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should be a Cubs fan.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You must mean
They R DOO-DOO
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But then we could have Bay playing by the Bay. Headline awesomeness
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 17, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Xavier Nady has only ever had one good season, he’s now in his 30s, he doesn’t play good defense, and he’s coming off a season-long injury. No thanks.
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron, then
The slash meant “or”.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How the offense could be better
Sanchez is healthy and hits about his career numbers.
Renteria is healthy and does something/anything.
Bowker plays LF and hits ~.250/.350/.450
Schierholtz doesn’t completely suck again.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 3:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bowker plays LF and hits ~.250/.350/.450
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by Grant on Nov 17, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Hensley Meulens can convince Tweedledee and Tweedledum to let him play.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
275/290/314 for VROOM Velez in July!
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by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VRRRRROOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOM
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More Fred?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Nov 17, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bowker has more upside than Fred, but I have doubts anyways whether Fred will even be back with the Giants in 2010. I was trying to play somewhere near to reality (not too close, obviously, but maybe the same state). But yes, more Fred would have improved the 2009 team.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have doubts that Fred will be back with the Giants. Which isn’t really an indictment of Fred.
He seems a dead average player. That he would have improved the 2009 Giants with more playing time is an indictment of Giants management, not Fred.
Could Fred find a place on a really successful team? Sure, there’s no reason to think that he couldn’t be the 3rd best outfielder on a good team, if nothing else since he’s not a vast sucking hole of Molina.
by DrStankus on Nov 17, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is how the Giants play solitaire. The Yankees version draws 1 card at a time, not 3.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 17, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also
Here is another possibility and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened at all: Pedro Feliz coming back too SF. He still likes it here and gets along with everyone here….just a thought.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 17, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Save some adrenaline for his first swing at a slider in the dirt. Wheee, deja vu all over again!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just vomited
Oh s@3t!, I’ve got it too. Hand me the towel. Hand it damn it!
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m still vomiting… hopefully it will be a 24-hour thing
by capn on Nov 17, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT HE HAZ TEH RING
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the Yankees are playing Free Cell
by snafu on Nov 17, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course they are.
/face palm
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 17, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve played Freecell so much that I notice that before I notice Solitaire games.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s quickly becoming apparent that slightly over-payed Johnny Damon
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
…might be the best case scenario.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t the hitting style of Damon not very conducive to AT&T park, or is that just mainstream media bullshit?
by snafu on Nov 17, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not BS
I recall someone posted a chart of Damon’s homers, and a whole bunch of them fall into what would be triples alley in AT&T rather than going over the fence.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 17, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn’t usually have the longest distance in his home runs….
No one knows for sure, but it doesn’t look like his pull-happy, not superlong homerun style would be good at this park.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Nov 17, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This year, he hit 17 HRs at home, compared to only 7 on the road. I remember Buster Olney talking about how Damon changed his swing and approach so he would become more of a flyball, pull hitter to better suit Yankee Stadium. I don’t know if you would consider Olney “mainstream media bullshit” but I consider him to be a very reputable source. I think its safe to say his 24 homeruns were largely a result of Yankee Stadium
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by lincecuminyourface on Nov 17, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt those just be blasting off our wall cuz our fence is even shorter, I would actually be ok with Damon roping doubles off our wall all day
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 18, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that the wind from that direction would make them weak outs.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by ok i mean less thouroughly depressed than Dye or 5 years to Bay, I would not be thrilled i just have to curb expectations for Sabean
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 19, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Slightly. Thinks he’s so big and rich.
by Grant on Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly thinks he can just come 'round here and overpay Johnny Damon?
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 17, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so you’re dabbling in howtheyscored jokes now? That Sabean extension must really be getting to you.
by Dan from NM on Nov 17, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Slightly is just too unsightly?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My main source of optimism about the offense next year is the fact that it will be difficult to do worse than this year
by snafu on Nov 17, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Care to wager on that, sir?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 17, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t suggest it, snafu is probably right. Although, that same logic applied to the pitching staff is cause for pessimism.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
snafu is probably right.
Though “snafu” is his(?) username, the acronym is also depressingly accurate when applied to Sabean’s attempts at building an offense.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yeah, I said that at the end of 2008. So did a lot of other folks here.
We were wrong.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t here last year but I said it too. All it takes is injury and one more bad FA signing…
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 17, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Incorrect
Giants scored more runs in 2009 than 2008.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They lost 12 points of OBP, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wOBA went down from .309 to .305, so their component offense was definitely worse this year. But snafu is still right.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See, SEE!
OBP doesn’t mean more runs! In your face, nerds!
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s being sarcastic.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcastic?
When are we ever sarcastic?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RIB EYES!!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 17, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol you believe that
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
The Giants were lucky by about 30 runs last season, so if they hit just as poorly they’d be expected to do worse. And the only obvious source of improvement to this point is a full season of Sanchez replacing the 200 ABs Burriss got to start the year. But then again, EVEN MOAR VELEZ.
by taliesin on Nov 17, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My boss (who knows nothing about baseball) recently got season tix. He said the Giants rep sold him on these beautiful seats in Section 131 with a great view of this Geno Velez who was (according to the rep) “the latest Giants phenom and the most exciting player on the team”. So he’s thrilled.
MOAR VROOMZ, YEAH!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 17, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently you haven’t seen him go from first to third in -5 seconds (he stopped to help sandoval up and still made it in 0 seconds)
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That rep should be fired
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it sounds like that rep is doing his/her job exactly
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but he’s screwing people over if he’s telling them velez is such a hot prospect. That kind of thing comes back to bite you in the ass
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’m no fan of the saleperson mentality, but many people consider that to be a saleperson’s job.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In college (advertising major) we had a speaker who once said a good salesperson makes someone think they need something they do not want.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why they're called "sales weasels" I guess
I couldn’t stand that job.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Key to next season:
Giants get lucky by 60 runs. I should really be a GM
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 17, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would put them where they were this season, right?
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 17, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a commenter on that article who wants Guzman in LF, Nate in CF, and Garko at catcher. wheeee.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 3:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In another comment, the same guy says
Let’s hope B&S don’t find what they are looking for in the FA market and then Bochy will finally be forced into giving some of our young prospects a serious look. Could they possibly hit any worse than Rowand, Lewis, Rent, Molina and the rest did last year??? Face it, we were dead last in OBP, couldn’t buy a walk, pitiful run production — giving the kids a chance should have been the plan for 2009. Maybe they’ll hang on to their money and play the yungins!!!
Apparently, Fred Lewis is a veteran with lousy OBP who can’t buy a walk. Who knew!?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He steers dangerously close to a good point (play the kids) but then veers off into stupid town.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s a case of reaching the right conclusions for the wrong reasons.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to start calling Bochy and Sabean “BS”
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
Who plays right in this dream scenario? Dye? Why not also trade for Dunn to play 1B and then have probably the largest negative swing in UZR history.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he wants Ishikawa at first.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess if you’re going to run out a staff that is all about strikeouts you can afford to sacrifice some defense. I still don’t like it though.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 17, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just think of what could be...
C- Garko
1B- Dunn
2B- Velez (post Sanchez injury)
SS- Renteria
3B- Sandoval
LF- Guzman
CF- Schierholtz
RF- Dye
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
by j14 on Nov 17, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You had me at “C- Garko”
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 17, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be pretty surprised if Garko could get a C minus at catcher.
by taliesin on Nov 17, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in 1500 abs this year Pablo hit 75 homers. Hall of fame, rite?
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to most of these FA suggestions are actually making Sabean sound like a better alternative for once.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Nov 17, 2009 3:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
there's just no fucking hope, is there?
I have no faith that Sabean will do anything to improve this team’s offense.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fred Sanchez killed any remaining faith I had in Sabean.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Nov 17, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He will have a career year next year
JUST WAIT
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s due for one.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But but but...
He HAD one! Remember? He won a batting title three years before the Giants acquired him! Sabean sure remembers. That’s all we heard about when Sabes traded for him.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Nov 17, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and it’s been a while, so chances are that he’s going to have one again soon.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his will be next year too. Over .500 record with ERA under 4. ITLL HAPPEN
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
care to put Aaron Rowand in here too and make it a slightly overpaid threesome?
by locutus on Nov 17, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roward will be hit by a record number of pitches.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
slightly?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 17, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All three of those guys having career years? I’d say they’d be underpaid!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
slightly
First he overpays Johnny Damon, and now he overpays for a threesome?
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
by neurofarm on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s in cahoots with grossly and foolishly
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is kinda like that time that a thehavenot typo prompted a huge discussion.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How much does one pay for a threesome anyway?
Uh.. just curious.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends. Are we talking the cool kind?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is The Lasso of Truth when you need it?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 17, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But but but . . .
Freddie Sanchez is not the problem. The problem is Sabean. Freddie could play third if Uggla was at second. Freddie could play second if Panda plays third and Paul Konerko can play first or even Jorge Cantu, but you see Sabean doesn’t like trades; he’d rather sign crapola . . . aging, second-rate crapola. (I guess that’s redundant . . . just like Sabean.)
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Konerko?
oh man
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The best part is arguing for Paul Konerko and then saying the problem is “aging, second-rate crapola.”
by taliesin on Nov 17, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t laugh. I am waiting for KC to offer up Jacobs and “CREATES RIB EYES” crowd will get all worked up again.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly believe that there was no better option at 2b.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 6:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not even talking just re-signing him… I mean the fact we traded as much as we did for him. Terrible OBP, a batting title three years before we signed him that inflated his value, AND a knee injury that was suspect enough that we should have been able to acquire him for less than a top 5 prospect from our farm system. To make matters worse, we sold low on one of our top five prospects.
That day, I completely lost faith in Sabean’s ability to put together a functional offense, OR his ability to build for the long haul.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Nov 18, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nuh-uh
The Giants are going to improve their offense this year. They’re gonna do it. They’re gonna. Just you watch.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 3:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm bookmarking this comment
just in case I need a scapegoat next October…
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Little ol' me?
That scapegoat you’ll be wanting? May I suggest one or both of Sabean and Bochy?
I feel that they are much better than someone who gave a sarcastic comment on a blog.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just messin’ with ya.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's just because I'm stupid
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we still blamed bondslegend for everything.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Him and Victor Frankenstein.
EFFFFF UUUUU VICTOR FRANKENSTEIN!!!!1
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/Points to new (ex) hitting coach.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 17, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are thinking of the Sharks. And they did.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 17, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sharks are stankin it up tonight. Down 4-1 in the 2nd.
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez Grant, you could have broke the news a little softer.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One positive thing
At least Sabean is saying he’s not willing to overpay Juan Uribe. I’m pretty sure next year Uribe will revert to 2005-2008 form, so this is a good thing, I think.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What does Xanthan think?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 17, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SCREW XANATHAN
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure that's what xanthan was thinking?
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t he have a bunch of t-shirts made with that exact phrase?
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WE NEED TO KNOW!
Never Question the McCoven!
by Group Think on Nov 17, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
whos second username is this?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it belongs to groug think.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It belongs to the collective
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
meaning what?
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
Registered Velezbian and supporter of Fredemption
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(Think less literally)
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am extremely confused
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
Registered Velezbian and supporter of Fredemption
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's okay
You will be assimilated shortly. Resistance is futile.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lulz
I enjoyed that.
Graham, think not about the user-name: Group Think . . . belongs to the collective. Verily, it is so.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im gonna go lay down.
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Adopted Father: Tyler Graham
Official McPokeMaster
Registered Velezbian and supporter of Fredemption
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Feliz
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 17, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Owned by none, owned by all. Open 24 hours a day. 7 days a week.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, this is the fake account that belongs to grougthink.
by grougsfakeaccount on Nov 17, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One positive thing
Agreed. He’ll have Pedro Feliz-type numbers. Not at $4.75M, please.
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just shop at the bargain bin, Brian
The Giants have a well built pitching machine and some core parts of an average offense in Panda and Buster plus sprinkles of Garko, Sanchez and Lewschierlezker. Pick up some refurbished hitters at a cheap price and pray that they will hold up decently for at least 9 months then repeat the process until maybe Albert Pujols or Hanley Ramirez publicly state that they want to be a Giant and only a Giant.
I say this because these past few years the Giants have been burned by high priced FA’s but Sabes has done decently on the lesser priced FA’s such as Affeldt, Uribe, 1 month of Penny and Aurilia.
Just kidding on Aurilia to see if you were paying attention.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Nov 17, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if by "core parts of an average offense"
you mean like a car that has a rebuilt transmission, but is otherwise a junk heap.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the sense that he’s going to pretty much coast now that he’s got his extension. Unless he does something stupid, he can at least claim that young players are getting their “fair chance to play” (even though they aren’t, really), and no one will call for his head.
It doesn’t seem that hard to get an offense by overpaying Holliday a bit. It would make this team so much better just to have that one player. Suddenly Pablo doesn’t have to stress over doing all the work, and other players fall closer to hitting slots that they should be in, like Rowand, for example.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 17, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really want holliday
offered him 7 years/20 mil per in our dynasty league. GIT R DUN SABEZ
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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the part I don’t buy:
Maybe there’s a bargain free agent out there. … Hey, not much out there.
This looks like a great year for bargain free-agent shopping. Johnson, Branyan, Delgado, Cameron, Glaus, Beltre, Baldelli, Nady … all these guys are going to be relative bargains. Sure, some of them won’t pan out, but this is one year when there’s no excuse for not putting together a decent-on-paper offense.
by Evan on Nov 17, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Career year, career year, old and name brand, old and name brand, old and name brand, old and name brand, possible bargain, junk/possible bargain.
Your mileage may vary, but that’s how I see those guys playing out.
by Grant on Nov 17, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Old” and “name brand” work in opposition to each other. You can get good name-brand players at a bargain because they’re old, or coming off an injury. None of those players is getting a big contract.
Nick Johnson’s not coming off a career year at all. His trade value has been recently established as “less than Ryan Garko.” Nobody much wants him.
by Evan on Nov 17, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do!
/signed him in my dynasty league.
I’d love if the Giants signed him, but there’s no effin way it happens.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson, Branyan, Delgado, Cameron, Glaus, Beltre, Baldelli, Nady
by sfoakbay on Nov 17, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You just saved me the time. Exactly, except remove Johnson because he’ll only be healthy ebough to play 38 games in 2010.
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that may or may not happen
he’s worth the risk, though
by sfoakbay on Nov 17, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a condition
The word Uggla sounds better and better every day.
Should I seek help?
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Even if the prospects the Giants gave up were pretty useless, Uggla doesn’t really seem like a bargain for the $8M he’s going to be paid. And he doesn’t have a defensive position.
by taliesin on Nov 17, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he could catch while Posey gains valuable PT in AAA wherein he can learn the art of calling teh baseball game
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he could catch while Posey gains valuable PT in AAA wherein he can learn the art of calling teh baseball game
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he could catch while Posey gains valuable PT in AAA wherein he can learn the art of calling teh baseball game
by sfoakbay on Nov 17, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TW…TIGFC!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla would be excellent
Average on defense, yes. Not a butcher (see Ray Ray). And a terrific #5 and plenty young enough. But then again, Sabean doesn’t like trades.
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Durham wasn’t THAT bad.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was quick
I see that your Durham-defending skills haven’t gotten rusty since he left the team.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 17, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NEVER FORGET
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
for old times sake
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this could be a good one for the zito creeper face, if someone had the time…
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still love it
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to think they’re listening to the Snoop/Dre joint that Barry had as his walk-up music.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 18, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He would have out hit Renteria this year.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 17, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR/150
Durham: -1.8
Uggla: -2.9
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
when people say things without knowing facts
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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla’s not average on defense. And he’d be replacing Garkawa in the lineup, so the incremental offensive improvement would be pretty small. He’d cost $8M plus prospects. He’s just not a great fit for the Giants.
by taliesin on Nov 17, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Garkawa ….mmmm isn’t that the offsrping of Mothra?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone needs to think of Uggla as a first baseman, since that’s the bat he would be displacing.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 17, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wake me when we have a real GM...
Hoping that Brian Sabean’s offseason maneuverings will somehow result in a significantly improved Giants offense feels a lot to me like watching a howler monkey flinging poo, and hoping it will somehow result in a masterpiece of art.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 17, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
final stage of grief is acceptance
all these posts sound resigned to acceptance of 2-3 runs a game
maybe we’ll get damon?
jermaine dye woo-hoo?
bargain basement free-agents?
maybe it’s too early in the off-season for me to give up yet, but there is money off the books, we’re set, for better or worse, at C, 3b, SS, 2b, CF, SP, and Cl. We find a cleanup hitter somewhere, & a leadoff man besides Rowand, and we take the West.
by locutus on Nov 17, 2009 4:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the cut of your jib
Wait, no I don’t. Who are these magical players you speak of, especially the clean-up hitter? I see two on the market and Sabean just said he won’t sign either of them.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see Bengie
who’s the other one out there?
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
by bobnothing on Nov 17, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: final stage of grief is acceptance
I’m still on depression. I was in denial yesterday. Anger and bargaining, not so much.
by The GD Batman on Nov 17, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2-3 runs a game! Yes! I knew we were gonna get better…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I hate drawing three cards at a time while playing Solitaire. Invariably the one card you need will be the middle card in a group of three, completely inaccessible. Like it’s taunting you. “Hello, I am Ms. Five O’Clubs. I and I alone can bring you victory in this game. AND YOU CANNOT HAVE ME!! I’m gonna go to that computer over there where that muscle-bound hunk with the nice car and a trust fund is sitting and let him draw me instead.”
I like Freecell better.
Anagram of "Edgar Renteria" = IRATE NERD RAGE
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Penny was good for 2 months he was really bad for 3 months and not so good the previous 2 seasons. SO be careful with him…Sign reasonable and with him being the 5th starter..Bumgarner will go to spring training, if he is great the giants should keep him up as a spot starter and long reliever..keeping the other starters innings down. Bumgarner has not pitched big innings in his career so you need to keep him active and save his arm for the second half, that is if he looks great. If he starts to falter, send him to AAA to continue building arm strength. If he is average or poor in Spring training…tell him he’s being "promoted to AAA (from AA) and tell him were looking to have him help us at the end of the season…this will give him confidence…Remember, he has had a taste of the show and that will get in his head and could propel or hinder him.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 4:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds Pretty Reasonable
Nothing here by ‘ecellstore’ that looks really retarded, unless I am missing something.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 17, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But
If there was just a black 10 available you would be able to get to the card below the 6 of clubs. With there being 2 aces in only 6 hidden cards you would have a good shot at making some real progress on the game. Conclusion: are the Giants are only a black 10 from a shot at winning it all?
by VizquelQuest on Nov 17, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
RACIST
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying the Giants should sign Andre Dawson?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
except Dawson is 55 years old and hasn’t played in 13 years and hasn’t played well in 17 years.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He still couldn’t do much worse than Dye did in 2009.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy missing clause Batman!
From TFA
and having already traded pitching prospects Tim Alderson and Scott Barnes
… for squid scraps™…
But yeah… it’s Holliday or go home this off season. It’s funny because in 2008 the Giants OF (Lewis/Rowand/Winn) was actually kind of… average-ish… it was just the infield that was awful. Now we are looking at (Velez/Rowand/Scheirholtz)? With a side of Andres Torres?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering what it would be like if Jon Gruden announced Giant's games, and this is what went through my head
“See this catch by Aaron Rowand out here on the warning track. Let me tell you something, this guy is a BASEBALL player. He just goes out there and makes all the baseball plays you need to be a winner, I would have LOVED having this guy on my team.”
by snafu on Nov 17, 2009 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Madden would be better:
He runs back there and BOOM right into the wall!!! Now that’s what you want to see, guys going all out for their team! BAM!
[telestrator going crazy]
He could have taken this route to the ball, he could have taken this route but WHAM! he took the one that took him BOOM! right into the wall!
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just let Frank Caliendo do Madden as Giants broadcaster.
BTW, you and Mr. Merope taking the trip to the prison er Coliseum to watch the Bengals?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 17, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
I grew up a Raider fan, ‘till they ran off to LA …. excuse me…WTF Sharks?!?!? Get your shit together!!!!!!!! anyways… so I’ll protect him from the few Raider fans that will probably be there, then again Raider fans and Bengal fans do share a certain love of the Steelers…
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can that love? You one tough br … lady.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“He is one of the toughest guys in Major League Baseball. He leads the league in grit and determination.”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 17, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is...
The Giants are still solidly # 2 on my list of Bay Area professional sports franchises. The real question is: what is more painful?
a) being a W’s fan
b) being a Raider’s fan or
c) a corneal biopsy without anesthesia
by capn on Nov 17, 2009 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
a, most definitely
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you two reasons—one, it’s the Horror-iors, and two, it’s the NBA.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
c) why I will have a job.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 17, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably C
Since it’s a surgery, and they would be cutting into your eyeball without any pain medication.
That would suck.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 17, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
b) unless you are one of the deluded ones that think everything is a conspiracy to make your awesome team look terrible.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 17, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHO YOU CALLIN DELUDED?!?
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 18, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why am I having visions of Kevin Bass?
Welcome, Jermaine Dye.
Yes, this does seem inevitable. Dye will be 36, his OPS is declining. He’s a good guy in the clubhouse. He’s from the Bay Area (born in Oakland, grew up in Vacaville). He still has some pop. It’s just such a classic-ly Sabean move.
Given that Dye mostly played RF and Jason Bay LF, is there any way worthwhile way to compare the two defensively?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 17, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
there any way worthwhile way to compare the two defensively?
clank < moar clank
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, if the Giants look for Dye, it better be a short term contract, like a 2 year, but if the giants look for Bay, they’re probably going to lock him up for a long term, but fact is, you can’t get both defense and pop in free agency right now, it’s one or the other, but you know, i’d rather take offense at this point because of our lack of power or hitting. The giants have enough defense in the field even if they sign someone like a Bay or Dye.
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bay is a good hitter
He’d probably hit enough to make up for his sub-par defense. Jermaine Dye might hit better than Fred Lewis (certainly not much better), and he’d surely be a butcher in the field — yes, much worse even than Fred Lewis. Dye would not improve the team. He would be a bad signing if he cost $1 per year.
by taliesin on Nov 17, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know man, it seemed like Lewis bobbled the ball every damn time it was hit to him.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ ground shakes
/JPonry enters
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If i remember right, someone here was talking about the errors Lewis made, and that he didn’t make THAT MANY errors, it just came at the wrong time. But look, this team is STRIVING for offensive power, and at this point you have to take what you can get, you already have pieces around you with pitching and defense, you need offense wherever you can get it, and if it takes a little decline on the defense gotta do it
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not always the errors that are made, but the extra bases that are taken because the ball couldn’t get back into the infield quickly enough.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And don’t the giants have pitchers that can get themselves out of that jam? i mean look, i can definitely deal with one outfielder having problems defensively, and in my opinion, we’ll see what happens, he may or may not have problems defensively, point is, i’ll take offense
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain had almost a DIVINE ability to get out of jams and not allow runners to score this season when they got on against him. We cannot hope and rely that they can do that every time. We need the defense to be crisp behind them.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Repeat: getting to the ball is harder than catching it. Dye can get to very few fly-balls. He has zero chance of catching those. Phone Co Park, unlike US Cell, has a large outfield. This is not a good combination.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Read that as:
Chan Ho Park, unlike US Cell, has a large outfield.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Striving or starving? We report, you om nom nom.
by speckops on Nov 17, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good point, either, om nom nom nom nom
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you pulled a daveinexile here and used the word little when you ment large?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DAMMIT PEOPLE I WILL EAT YOUR FUCKING SPLEENS IF WE KEEP HAVING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s the rage I’ve been missing !
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Nov 17, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to bookmark that long ole fanshot from way back when, and everytime someone new brings it up we can just cut and paste the link.
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm, which fanshot are we talkin bout? because i totally remember JPonry talking about lewis and how he really didn’t make as many errors as some of the other players, it just came at the worst time
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely fail at using the SBN search function, but I’ll see if I can find it.
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
likewise dude, i can’t understand the whole search thing
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just remember there was an OMGWTFBBQ fanshot with like a bizillion posts. Fanshots NEVER get a bizillion posts.
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if it was about something really controversial or somebody just BLEW UP
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
likewise dude,
Although there are no girls on the internet, Merope is a “dudette”.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Nov 18, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, for real? maybe i should just respond to everybody the same and not say “dude” “sir” cuz i can never remember
by PiKAgiant on Nov 18, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 17, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion Lewis is a promising young fellow who shows lots of potential but isn’t right for the Giants at this time. As you can see from this chart of extremely advanced statistics, he is a defensive liability and his average +winz per season does not sufficiently make up for this. Perhaps he can be traded for younger, cheaper talent that can benefit the team farther into the future.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way Lewis will have any trade value dude, i’m perfectly fine in holding onto him, because in my opinion he had ONE BAD YEAR, and for real, it wasn’t THAT BAD. He has the offseason to get himself back into what he used to do offensively, and we’ll see what’s gonna happen, and at best he’s a back up outfielder, and i’m comfortable with that
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t he already try and fail the pinch hitter off the bench role?
by locutus on Nov 17, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, this was his first real year at failing at that role, but look, i’ll give em one more year to see what he can do in that position.
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t it until like july or august before he had double digit RBIs?
by locutus on Nov 17, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm, sure… i’m not even really sure, i’m not a stat guy, but if that’s the case, that’s cool, he had an off year
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how many off years did you need to see out of Todd Linden?
by locutus on Nov 17, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right! Was there an off year in Josh Hamilton last year?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so did Lewis have an injury last year? Did he dream about hacking 50 HRS in Yankee Stadium? What are you saying?
by locutus on Nov 17, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oops, good catch, didn’t realize he was on the DL for a while, i just knew he sucked. But you know, i’m willing to deal with Lewis, who knows what can happen
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Todd Linden: .231 / .303 / .335, .290 wOBA, 0.3 WAR
Fred Lewis: .277 / .355 / .420, .343 wOBA, 3.9 WAR
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there are the stats…. i never have that much energy to look em up
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you forget
Linden: +1 defense
Lewis: -eleventy billion defense
/math
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best highlight ever was when Linden made that catch against the Nationals to end the game. I remember the Nats announcer going something like NOOOOO HE CAUGHT THE BALL
Good times.
by xanthan on Nov 17, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the play that got Linden the nickname Magellan
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 17, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Linden's "clutch" catch!
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/multimedia/tp_archive.jsp?c_id=sf&ym=200509
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That got me watching old Giants highlights for the past half hour. I miss Bonds and Lowry and Vizquel…
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 18, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
.355 OBP was what? 3rd on the team? second?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His OBP last year was .348. I don’t think anyone but Pablo was even close to that.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
Torres had a .343 OBP, after that Ishi and Uribe both had .329
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Torres had half Fred’s PAs, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats true, but you have to give him some credit, he still had 170 PAs.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Torres was "better than expected"
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
pretty good for a backup
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, a “pretty good” backup, good speed, contact, and a lil power, with some good hustle and D
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally exceeded expectations
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ looks at Durham ’07, Aurilia after ’06, Roberts, Rownad except for 3-4 months
So are you saying we should be paying millions of dollars and locking up thousands of PA’s for our Todd Lindens?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RBIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL RIBS!!!!!
Let’s settle this: FRED LEWIS IS NOT A #3 HITTER.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE HIT LIKE .350 AS A PINCH HITTER YOU FUCKS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 17, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DOES JPONRY GOTZ TA CHOKE A BITCH??!?!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait… you’re calling me a fuck? what’d i do?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm kidding
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 17, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, i know, i was waiting for you to come on here and say somethin
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But yes, she did call you a fuck.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a college kid
thinks being called a fuck is a positive
:)
by DrStankus on Nov 17, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
FRED LEWIS AS A PINCH HITTER
.263/.349/.447
WAAAH BATTING AVERAGE WAAAH
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 17, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RIB EYES!!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 17, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE’S THE FUCKING PROBLEM, DONT YOU GET IT???? GAHHHH
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot:
In the clutch: .109/..109/-.109
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His aura actually causes baserunners to wander off of the bag and get picked off.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 17, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why doesn’t that work when he’s playing in the field?
by locutus on Nov 17, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing is it wasn’t even a year. I was like a bad hundred PA’s and a few errors at costly times. Then Bochy’s eyes rolled like slot machine wheels and both landed on “TEH PROBLEM”
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 18, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re accusing me of sarchasm in response to a comment where I was talking about eating spleens!?
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
call it like-minded ribbing.
Or, to quote a certain literary man,
Haul in yer sheet. Yer jibbin.
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do I need my spleen?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Nov 18, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. Okay then. In that case, he can do whatever he wants to it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 17, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great minds
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL NOOB
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here you go.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
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by Viliphied on Nov 18, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and it begins
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 17, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this oughta be fun!
i don’t recall discussing fred lewis’s defense on MCC before!
by sfoakbay on Nov 17, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's my fault
I should never have brought up Fred Lewis. I don’t know what I was thinking. As soon as this chap mentioned the thing about Lewis bobbling the wall, I was just like, “OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?”
by taliesin on Nov 18, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
oops. I was just being cheeky. Didn’t realize it was such serious business.
by fantastical on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, he bobbled the entire wall?!? I mean, I knew he was all /CLANK! and Teh Problem and whatnot, but he misplayed an entire section of architecture?
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Every time this comes up, I imagine the boulder rolling towards Indiana Jones.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 17, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m almost confused as to what everyone is LOL’ng at
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This little section singlehandedly directed me to the up button with all these replies stacked down here.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
by dregarx on Nov 17, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Bass was 31 and coming off a 129 OPS+ season when we signed him. Dye is 36 by opening day and coming off a 103 OPS+ season.
While I have no memories of Kevin Bass’s defense, it was almost certainly not as bad as Dye’s.
/sob
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by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be Mike Cameron and I’m guessing Boch will stick him in right. That doesn’t sound kosher does it?
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 5:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Im not really interested in Cameron no matter where he plays
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn’t be my first (or 234th choice) but he may be the best we can do if Sabean won’t trade anyone.
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he just seems like another declining veteran to me
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s old, but there’s no evidence he’s declining yet.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 17, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what the Giants are for
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a good point
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 17, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the thing with Cameron is that he’s so old there’s no chance we sign him to a long term deal, unlike Jason Bay.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 17, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or how about . . .?
Garrett Jones for Merkin (“It’s outta here”) Valdez. Oh wait, Littlefield is gone.
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 5:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Marlon Byrd will be 33 next summer. He fits (Sabean’s) recipe.
Don't believe everything you think.
by wcovington on Nov 17, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whats with the parenthesis?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Anyone else notice that Thomas Neal Played 1B today in AFL?
by capn on Nov 17, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I only play solitaire one way
Vegas style. 3 cards at a time. 3 trips through the deck. You usually lose but it is much more satisfying than when you win (almost every single time.)
The analogy in the OP is good. At some point in easy mode solitaire, you have to quit if you don’t win the game because you are never going to win. Giants brass don’t play solitaire, they play golf. This is the real problem.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 17, 2009 6:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
man…it must be a dreary night in Vegas when you are betting on solitare…at least pull the lever or something
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you look open the options menu you can change how the game plays.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 17, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: apologies for all the OTs but jeeze, i really can't stand these people upstairs playing their loud music ALL THE TIME
The worst part is it being at 8 AM on a Saturday morning, or 1 AM on a Tuesday night, give me a break, put some headphones on or something if you want it loud
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
or go drive around in your car.
We have obnoxious neighbors too. It’s about the only thing Mr. Merope and I fight about. He wants to move, get a house or a condo … I think, anymore, no matter where you live you are going to asshole neighbors and if you own the place you are REALLY stuck.
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
loud music and pot/cigarette smoke.
The smoke isn’t so bad now that it’s winter and we don’t have the windows open.
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That definitely sucks, yuck, when the windows open it just pours right in huh? so hence during the summer or warmer days
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, if anything, like a last resort, go talk to the people or something and let them know, it just gets so freaking annoying, but whatever
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1 – talk to neighbors about the annoyance
2 – give em a couple chances to knock it off without you reminding them
3 – call the police every time they do it. eventually the police will give them a last warning. if they do it again, they get a ticket.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 17, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A good 1 2 3 step plan, i like it, thanks dude
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you are in a complex, check your lease, they often list community “quiet hours.”
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea good point, i’m pretty sure there’s nothing in there about that, this is college mind you, so eh, the only time i get pissed though is on a Saturday or Sunday morning at 8AM, it’s bullshit
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HOW DARE YOU GO OFF TOPIC
MCC is devoted to maintaining one topic off discussion per thread! NO EXCEPTIONS!
by snafu on Nov 17, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's all about
fred lewis and… fred lewis
by sfoakbay on Nov 17, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone here say, "Chocolate chip Macadamia nut cookies"?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
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by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
put some headphones on or something if you want it loud
and that is what she definitely said
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
:(
I could have been a contender…
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring Barry back!
We just traded who for who?!
by BawLa on Nov 17, 2009 6:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Barry Sanders could have been a contender
by fantastical on Nov 17, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always wonder if we’ll ever hear the whole story. There had to be more to it right?
by Merope on Nov 17, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
had to be, wasnt there a feud with his dad?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really thought that was the deal with him, he was my favorite player growing up, along side Young and Rice
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He saw Earl Campbell
and said “fuck that shit, I’m rich already”
Smartest guy in the world if you ask me. Got money, still considered one of the best to have ever played, and he gets to live a long healthy life instead of degenerating at 50.
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is one of the best i ever saw, and first jersey i ever owned, yet i was a niner fan before that and never had a jersey from the niners
by PiKAgiant on Nov 17, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was redonkulous
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