A Note on the Giants' Offseason Plans
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 17, 2009 2:58 PM PST
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PrintIf you missed the State of the Sabean, here you go. Some of the key points:
- Brad Penny wants too much money.
- Juan Uribe wants too much money.
- Bengie Molina wants a multi-year deal, which the Giants aren’t willing to do.
- Trades stink because other teams want good players.
- The Giants are going to buy a new offense through free agency.
- They aren’t going to spend for Matt Holliday, so get ready for Jermaine Dye.
- Welcome, Jermaine Dye.
Those last two aren’t explicitly detailed in the article, but it doesn’t take much to read between the lines. This offseason is like a bad game of solitaire, and we’re now cycling through our options at the end of the game over and over and over again.
Huh. Let’s see. I don’t want to give up value in a trade, as we don’t have a crazy surplus anywhere, and I don’t want to decimate our farm system, so let’s look at free agents.
Oh. All of these players are old and declining, a marginal upgrade with little upside, or they’re far too expensive for a team trying to pay Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand. Maybe there’s another way.
Hmm. Yeah, it doesn’t make sense to trade Madison Bumgarner for Dan Uggla on, like, 15 different levels. I wouldn’t trade Bumgarner unless it was in some crazy deal for a player like Justin Upton, and that’s obviously not happening. Maybe there’s a bargain free agent out there.
Hey, not much out there. I guess there’s some flexibility with Pablo Sandoval’s ability to play first or third, but I’m not a fan of any of these guys, really. Maybe we can trade for someone.
And you keep cycling through the options, over and over and over and over until you find yourself writing a FanPost like this:
Okay, here’s the plan:1. We move the jack of hearts to an empty spot, as it used to occupy an empty spot in the minor leagues
2. Trade the six of clubs to one of the empty ace slots. Flip over the card underneath and everything should open up.
3. Take the six of diamonds from up top and put it in front of the five of spades. Now you can move things around.
So the new card lineup should look like this:
King of diamonds
Queen of spades
Jack of diamonds…
The next thing you know, you’re mumbling to yourself at a bus station with unwashed hair and a full diaper. Just give yourself a break. There is no solution. I’m glad that Sabean doesn’t want to give too much money to Uribe or Penny. I’m glad that there’s no way that Molina is going to get two years from the team. But there’s no way to escape from the bad offense. Not this offseason. Edgar Renteria is going to start at short. Aaron Rowand is going to start in center. Eugenio Velez is going to start in left. There isn't a way to fix that kind of head start, not even with $100M of free agent cash to throw around.
Bad offense. Bad, naughty, bad offense. Just accept it and hope that Thomas Neal and Buster Posey are above-average hitters by 2011.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions
the extra money from expiring contracts
what they don’t spend in arbitration, they’ll throw it at somebody and somebody will take it…and 2010 will be like 2008 and 2009 had a kid.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions
well, there goes the rest of the idea
/opens solitaire program
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
how did my brain think "day" and my fingers type "idea" ???
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
but I wasn't talking...
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Listen, just step away from the giraffe so we can talk about this reasonably.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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There’s one for everything.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
i love em lots
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Make one offensive upgrade to the outfield and one to the infield
If Bay and Uggla aren’t acceptable, the best option would seem to be Cameron/Nady and NJ.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
Bay and Nady are unacceptable and I’m not sure that Uggla makes sense now that we have Sanchez signed.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
why is bay unacceptable? I forsee many happy days in giants baseball with bay on the team
unless you mean unrealistic, which it might be. But so are a lot of things that end up happening.
perhaps bay is a poet and fancies himself playing for a team on the bay?
i have faith
meh…
I’d take a defensive hit for his bat.
average defense and competitive offense sounds better than stellar defense and anemic offense
Problem Is Bay Isn't Close To Being Average On Defense - He Is Flat Out Bad
by giantsrainman on Nov 17, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
(This is getting spooky.)
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
still though, wasn’t bonds defense bad as well?
Not saying Bay’s bat = Bond’s bat, but perhaps the best hitter on the team can be afforded a little slack defensively.
All seems moot given the contract he’s likely going to be offered by the sox anyway.
Bonds' bat more than made up for his sub par D later on
but Bay is nowhere near comparable. His D is worse and his bat isn’t good enough to make up for it.
AND he’d be making 18 mil a year
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If we pay that for a LF
it should be Holliday. He is better in every way and is younger.
Honestly, there is no reason this team shouldn’t go after him. His D isn’t great either, but man he’d be awesome. And they have money…
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Even though Sabean didn’t say as much, if Holliday is too expensive, then Bay is way too expensive and I wouldn’t expect to see Bay in orange and black.
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Thank god for that
though I think Holliday is worth it.
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easy reason why Holliday will never be a Giant: Scott Boras
Apparently Sabean does not deal with Boras which is good because Boras is an extremely evil human being, but frustrating because he scoops up talent like Bork scoops up pasta.
Just like when we missed out on signing Barry Zito!
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Wasn’t Bonds a Boras client at one point, too?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I thought that because of the dealings with Bonds and Zito through Boras made sabean swear him off. Thought I heard that once. Maybe not.
Bonds was a Borris client. Whole different dude entirely.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Later in his career (see below).
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I think he was a Boras client before he was a Borris client.
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In 1996, Boras stole the Giants’ #1 draft pick from them. If that didn’t make them swear him off…
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
This was something of a special case
That year, he got several top draft picks, including our #1 guy (6th overall pick I believe) declared free agents on the open market because of some asinine technicality.
In the long run, Matt White flopped, so it didn’t hurt us, but at the time, man…
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No, he’s just really good at his job. Baseball is hurt by a financial model that really benefits only a handful of teams and a union that refuses to see that a salary cap and floor likely wouldn’t hurt average salaries in the long-run.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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I thought
it’s the owners who refuse a salary floor.
They say “cap” the players say “ok, but a floor too” and they pull back.
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I thought the players had totally nixed the hard cap in the last round of negotiations.
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I think the rich owners are insistent upon a floor if there is a cap.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
lol all the owners are rich.
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 17, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
No the union considers a salary floor to be philosophically indistinguishable from a salary cap (once you’ve allowed the floor you have no principal left to take a stand against a cap) and refuses to discuss the concept.
Personally I’m split on the idea. Yes, stupid teams would hand out stupid contracts if they had to reach a floor, but at least they wouldn’t just be pocketing revenue sharing cash.
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Wrong
I love how somehow Boras is the villain and the owners are these poor people getting taken advantage of.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
why are you a victim?
because your team isn’t the best?
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What's purer than workers recieving proper compensation for their services?
Certainly not upper, upper management sitting on their asses and raking in the dough.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I couldn't disagree more.
And, taking my argument to it’s logical conclusion, the major college sports are inherently evil.
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Well, I’m talking about nobody making or spending money.
Not the owners, the players, the fans, the umpires, the vendors…
There’s nothing purer than people playing and watching baseball simply for the love of the game.
The baseball Satanist
Ahh, Buddhist sports.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 17, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps, but
If they aren’t being paid, the players wouldn’t have the free time to hone their skils to the highest level. I love the game, which is why I don’t really like to see it played at less than the highest level.
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They are.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Excuse me while i puke on my shoes
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It's not the owners who are the victims
It’s us and the players, who are forced to deal with this financial metagame that favors teams with deep pockets. Baseball shouldn’t favor the finanically fortunate.
None of this is Scott Boras’ fault, though. He’s just very good at taking what the existing system is willing to give. The owners and the union are at fault.
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Bud Selig? Don Fehr?
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bud selig's got his comin
patience…patience
OH OH IDEA TIME
what if salaries were all performance based and paid out of a collective MLB owner’s association pocket type thing. IE Uribe would have been paid more last year than Rowand.
How would you distribute players to the teams then?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Wii Sports Resort tournament.
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Not to speak for fantastical
but I would think that the system that worked before free agency would work here, too.
Draft and trades.
The baseball Satanist
Yeah, it was ruled un-Constitutional by the Supreme Court. Oops.
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You guys are looking at baseball as a business
I’m looking at it as a pastime. Government and the constitution has nothing to do with baseball in this world-view.
Of course it’s not realistic. I’m speaking of ideals, here.
The baseball Satanist
I see what yo mean, but there are people’s livelihoods at stake. Perhaps the answer is robot-baseball.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Realistically
I think that free-agency has put more money into the hands of players. To think that 3 million dollars was considered a huge contract in the early 90’s…
However, I think that, ideally, it would be nice to simply have an outside source distribute that money fairly.
Again, it will never happen. But that is my fantasy.
The baseball Satanist
Maybe not robot-baseball.
Monkeys would be fine.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Nov 17, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Actually I don’t think the court did that. In the Flood case the court upheld the reserve clause.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
So we are both kind of right
The case actually upheld the Reserve Clause as something that could be negotiated (to the chagrin of MLB). This allowed the MLBPA to negotiate the removal of the RC from the CBA.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
No
Baseball did just fine under this system.
If you are talking about what’s fair for the players, well, that’s not what I was talking about
The baseball Satanist
If you set aside the morality, and the unsustainability of a slave-based economy in a modernizing world, and the whole invasion-ending-in-fire-blood-and-ashes thing, then yeah, slavery worked out just fine.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
lol, slavery
If I were to take these replies seriously, I would have to type much more than I am willing to right now. Let me just say that there is enough information in my posts over this sub-thread to show you that I am not advocating for slavery in baseball. Or something.
The baseball Satanist
I’m just saying a system doesn’t work if one of the key participants is being horribly abused.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Yeah, I know where you are coming from
It’s just that I’m not dealing in reality in this conversation.
Even if I were dealing with the reality of the situation, I don’t call not being able to choose the team you play for “being horribly abused.” For me, the real problem with pre-free-agency baseball was that the players were being screwed over with regards to their salaries.
If I were to try to realistically change baseball, I would want that to remain fixed. However, I’m not terribly concerned with whether the players get to choose what team they play for.
The baseball Satanist
I like to drive Mr. Merope crazy by suggesting that [sport currently under discussion] should have a set pay schedule.
Years of experience and position played should determine a players base salary.
For example all right fielders with 5 full seasons earn a base of $1million. Players can then supplement their pay via their stats.
If a team wants to emphasize OBP … players with higher OBP earn more extra $$.
it's great!
Unless you are a player, who doesn’t get to choose who he plays for – or negotiate a contract.
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I’m not crying for people who get to play baseball for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year (at the minimum).
The baseball Satanist
But don’t you agree with the basic notion that if there is extra money lying around, it should go to the players and not sit in the pockets of the owners?
Also, I think most players do deserve to be fought for. For every multi-millionaire, there are tons and tons of Jason Ellisons or Scott Munters. They deserve to be paid what they are worth the to org.
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I don't think there should be extra money lying around
Really, I don’t care about money. I care about baseball.
Look, I’m speaking ideally here.
Realistically, it is absolutely the owners and the players union that need to change. The Yankees should not be allowed to spend 200 million while other teams spend 30 million. There’s a problem on both ends of the spectrum, there.
The baseball Satanist
What if the owners all took equal shares from a communal pool? They can dole out whatever they what in whatever contract, but it just means they have to penny pinch. somewhere else. Owners can contribute however much they want, so it still pays to have deep pockets, but it is no longer a competitive edge.
Sure, he's really good at his job.
He’s still a symbol of what needs to be fixed in the game.
The baseball Satanist
I think there are better symbols. George Steinbrenner, John Henry….
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
There’s too much money in the hands of too few owners. Boras is distributing more of it from the owners to the players. I don’t see how that is making the situation worse.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
But if the owners don’t spend that money, they just pocket it. I suppose that might be a little better for the competitive balance, but it isn’t good for the players.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
is baseball
less competitively balanced than…
football? (pro or NCAA)
basketball?
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I don’t really care for other sports, but my understanding is that in football and basketball the revenue is shared more than in baseball.
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Several articles have been written on this subject. If you normalize so that each league has the same number of play-off spots and look at the number of different teams making the “play-offs”, then baseball is equal to other sports.
However, the comparing on these grounds is somewhat false. Hope in a fan-base is kindled by actually having a chance at a championship. All American sports require appearing in the play-offs as a prerequisite for winning the championship and here is where baseball clearly falls short. Fewer teams actually make the play-offs in baseball and the reality is that two of the eight play-off teams in baseball are the same every year. The doesn’t leave much hope for fans, especially in the AL.
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The salary structures
are WAYYYYY more fair in football. In theory every team in the NFL can be competitive every year, but they are just a susceptible to idiots running their team as baseball teams are.
Money usually isn’t an issue in football- any team with cap space has enough money to go after any player. There are some teams that aren’t as profitable, but the revenue sharing makes their assets basically even.
Also, drafting in the NFL is a little more important, since the draft is shorter and the players make a more immediate impact.
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at fault for what?
the fact that the Yankees have a $200M payroll?
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it's funny because IRL I am a socialist
but in sports (or other entertainment industries) – pure capitalist.
That being said – it’s the weird free market/monopoly that results in the Yankees having a payroll 80% higher than the Red Sox. Every other owner is just a cheap bastard for not paying $100M/year
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How are they cheap? The Rays couldn’t sell out the Trop during their World Series year and many teams just don’t have the media revenue to support a pay-roll like that.
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MILWAUKEE
had a ~100M payroll within the last few years.
By far the smallest market size. Maybe they can’t have a payroll that big for 10 years straight… but they certainly can afford it sometimes.
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And then the pendulum swings back and now they’re stuck cutting pay-roll because 100M is unsustainable. Yet 200M+ is sustainable for the Yankees. This is the issue.
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I admit
the Yankees’ budget is annoying.. beyond that, I don’t really see a problem.
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I was going to post this reply somewhere, but then the site started acting weird
I don’t know where I was going to put it, but I know it was in reply to zenbitz (I think)…
Well, I also would want changes made in how the owners/organization make/spend money too.
Lower ticket and vendor prices and put all of the money made into a collective pool to benefit all of the clubs in the league. The teams that make the best draft picks and best trades have the best teams.
It will NEVER happen. But that is my fantasy.
The baseball Satanist
Lower ticket and vendor prices…
To jump in a little bit on this conversation, I don’t see how this makes sense. Ticket prices are already below market value- this is why scalping exists. And there’s nothing inherently bad about having high vendor prices, if those are the prices the market will bear.
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Laissez faire
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Thats not history, thats economy
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure how that's a line of demarcation
Anyway, I’ve repeated several times that this is all fantasy so I’m kind of tired of discussing it.
Now, if we want to get into reality, we can do that…
I doubt there’s many takers, though.
The baseball Satanist
Well, I get what you’re saying, and I know it’s a fantasy/ideal situation, but the market has to do with everything when products are being bought/sold, you can’t divorce that from anything, including baseball, and an approach opposite to laissez faire would probably make the situation worse, when all is said and done.
I’m not saying it’s laissez faire now, because with the contract situations overall in major league baseball, it’s safe to say that’s not a ‘free market’ environment.
It’s nice to say that resource allocation should be divorced from baseball, but those systems create the incentives for the best players to play, many of whom would be doing something else if it didn’t pay.
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Yeah
And then he switched to Jeff Borris, which isn’t confusing at all.
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Oh man, I forgot about the switch.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Not as bad as Bay’s.
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from Keith Law - Bay D maybe not as bad as it seems (though probably still bad)
• Tyler Hissey writes that Jason Bay’s defense is “an inconvenient truth” for Bay’s agent, pointing out that UZR has had Bay as 10 or more runs below average on defense for three straight years. I agree that Bay is a below-average defender, but The Monster seems to play havoc with defensive statistics. Revised Zone Rating, for example, has him a little below the median for left fielders but with a relatively low total of plays made “out of zone,” which may be a function of the park (you can’t make an out-of-zone play behind the fence) or just a reflection of Bay’s limited range.
He was shitty in Pittsburgh his last year there too
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So, he had a bum knee a few years ago and he’s getting older and I’m supposed to believe he’s a decent defensive player still?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Bonds’ defense was never terrible until his last year. He always had good range and arm strength is over-rated. In fact, for the majority of his career – even late – Bonds was an above average defender. Bay has, once in the past three seasons, come close to giving all those runs he produced on offense right back on defense. That’s bad.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Pilling on!
And the last couple years Bonds was not good, defensively, the Giants parked Omar & Pedro in front of him on the left side. That is just a tad different from the current left side.
If the Giants are handing out that kind of money they better be bring home Holiday of no one this off season.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Bonds’s defensive value, his last three seasons:
2005: 1.5
2006: -5.4
2007: -8.7
Bay, last three seasons:
2007: -11.5
2008: -18.4
2009: -13.0
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
2008 is the season I referenced where Bay was barely above replacement by WAR.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
BUT BARRY WUZ OL DNAD HAD BAD NKESS
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Barry: Old Nad.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
It might work in the long run, but it’d be an awful lot of money to hand over to a guy who’d be learning a brand-new position.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
And besides, his new position should probably be DH, which is why he might still end up in Boston to take over for Ortiz in 2011.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Just like how babies are made.
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/golf clap
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Bonds wasn’t really all that bad.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I guess in 2007 he was kinda bad.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Not to point of depleting the value of his bat, though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
I agree.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Well, of course you do.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
What’s that supposed to mean?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
You know what it means.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I know what it means. I just wish you wouldn’t be so damned passive aggressive about it!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
No there isn’t. /doesn’t read link
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Yeah, well fuck you then!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
You wish!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
As do most of my mental breakdowns.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
I think Howie needs a hug
/steps away
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
perhaps bay is a poet and fancies himself playing for a team on the bay?
He already plays in the Bay State. I doubt a mere Area can adequately tug his poetic heartstrings.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
Area > State
It’s all about the ring, baby. Say it out loud.
POETRY
by fantastical on Nov 18, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
If it’s all about the ring, he’s probably better served not coming to the franchise that hasn’t had one in almost 60 years.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
You should be a Cubs fan.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
You must mean
They R DOO-DOO
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
But then we could have Bay playing by the Bay. Headline awesomeness
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 17, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Xavier Nady has only ever had one good season, he’s now in his 30s, he doesn’t play good defense, and he’s coming off a season-long injury. No thanks.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
How the offense could be better
Sanchez is healthy and hits about his career numbers.
Renteria is healthy and does something/anything.
Bowker plays LF and hits ~.250/.350/.450
Schierholtz doesn’t completely suck again.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Bowker plays LF and hits ~.250/.350/.450
Vrrrrrrrrroooooooooom! Velez figured out how to hit in July! Vrrrrrrrrrrrrooooom!
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 17, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Hensley Meulens can convince Tweedledee and Tweedledum to let him play.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
VRRRRROOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOM
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
More Fred?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I think Bowker has more upside than Fred, but I have doubts anyways whether Fred will even be back with the Giants in 2010. I was trying to play somewhere near to reality (not too close, obviously, but maybe the same state). But yes, more Fred would have improved the 2009 team.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
I have doubts that Fred will be back with the Giants. Which isn’t really an indictment of Fred.
He seems a dead average player. That he would have improved the 2009 Giants with more playing time is an indictment of Giants management, not Fred.
Could Fred find a place on a really successful team? Sure, there’s no reason to think that he couldn’t be the 3rd best outfielder on a good team, if nothing else since he’s not a vast sucking hole of Molina.
This is how the Giants play solitaire. The Yankees version draws 1 card at a time, not 3.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Also
Here is another possibility and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened at all: Pedro Feliz coming back too SF. He still likes it here and gets along with everyone here….just a thought.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I just vomited
Oh s@3t!, I’ve got it too. Hand me the towel. Hand it damn it!
Don't believe everything you think.
BUT HE HAZ TEH RING
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I’ve played Freecell so much that I notice that before I notice Solitaire games.
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It’s quickly becoming apparent that slightly over-payed Johnny Damon
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Isn’t the hitting style of Damon not very conducive to AT&T park, or is that just mainstream media bullshit?
It's not BS
I recall someone posted a chart of Damon’s homers, and a whole bunch of them fall into what would be triples alley in AT&T rather than going over the fence.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
He doesn’t usually have the longest distance in his home runs….
No one knows for sure, but it doesn’t look like his pull-happy, not superlong homerun style would be good at this park.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
This year, he hit 17 HRs at home, compared to only 7 on the road. I remember Buster Olney talking about how Damon changed his swing and approach so he would become more of a flyball, pull hitter to better suit Yankee Stadium. I don’t know if you would consider Olney “mainstream media bullshit” but I consider him to be a very reputable source. I think its safe to say his 24 homeruns were largely a result of Yankee Stadium
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son
by lincecuminyourface on Nov 17, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
wouldnt those just be blasting off our wall cuz our fence is even shorter, I would actually be ok with Damon roping doubles off our wall all day
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 18, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
Except that the wind from that direction would make them weak outs.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions
by ok i mean less thouroughly depressed than Dye or 5 years to Bay, I would not be thrilled i just have to curb expectations for Sabean
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Nov 19, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
I hate Slightly. Thinks he’s so big and rich.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Slightly thinks he can just come 'round here and overpay Johnny Damon?
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
Ah, so you’re dabbling in howtheyscored jokes now? That Sabean extension must really be getting to you.
by Dan from NM on Nov 17, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
My main source of optimism about the offense next year is the fact that it will be difficult to do worse than this year
Care to wager on that, sir?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I wouldn’t suggest it, snafu is probably right. Although, that same logic applied to the pitching staff is cause for pessimism.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
snafu is probably right.
Though “snafu” is his(?) username, the acronym is also depressingly accurate when applied to Sabean’s attempts at building an offense.
Schadendodgerfreude 2009! (CHECK)
Schadenyankeefreude 2009! (______)
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Uh, yeah, I said that at the end of 2008. So did a lot of other folks here.
We were wrong.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
They lost 12 points of OBP, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
wOBA went down from .309 to .305, so their component offense was definitely worse this year. But snafu is still right.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
thank you.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Sarcastic?
When are we ever sarcastic?
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lol you believe that
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Not really
The Giants were lucky by about 30 runs last season, so if they hit just as poorly they’d be expected to do worse. And the only obvious source of improvement to this point is a full season of Sanchez replacing the 200 ABs Burriss got to start the year. But then again, EVEN MOAR VELEZ.
My boss (who knows nothing about baseball) recently got season tix. He said the Giants rep sold him on these beautiful seats in Section 131 with a great view of this Geno Velez who was (according to the rep) “the latest Giants phenom and the most exciting player on the team”. So he’s thrilled.
MOAR VROOMZ, YEAH!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
That rep should be fired
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
maybe
but he’s screwing people over if he’s telling them velez is such a hot prospect. That kind of thing comes back to bite you in the ass
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
In college (advertising major) we had a speaker who once said a good salesperson makes someone think they need something they do not want.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
That's why they're called "sales weasels" I guess
I couldn’t stand that job.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Key to next season:
Giants get lucky by 60 runs. I should really be a GM
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 17, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
There’s a commenter on that article who wants Guzman in LF, Nate in CF, and Garko at catcher. wheeee.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
In another comment, the same guy says
Let’s hope B&S don’t find what they are looking for in the FA market and then Bochy will finally be forced into giving some of our young prospects a serious look. Could they possibly hit any worse than Rowand, Lewis, Rent, Molina and the rest did last year??? Face it, we were dead last in OBP, couldn’t buy a walk, pitiful run production — giving the kids a chance should have been the plan for 2009. Maybe they’ll hang on to their money and play the yungins!!!
Apparently, Fred Lewis is a veteran with lousy OBP who can’t buy a walk. Who knew!?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He steers dangerously close to a good point (play the kids) but then veers off into stupid town.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
I am going to start calling Bochy and Sabean “BS”
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yikes
Who plays right in this dream scenario? Dye? Why not also trade for Dunn to play 1B and then have probably the largest negative swing in UZR history.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Bowker
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
But he wants Ishikawa at first.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I guess if you’re going to run out a staff that is all about strikeouts you can afford to sacrifice some defense. I still don’t like it though.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Just think of what could be...
C- Garko
1B- Dunn
2B- Velez (post Sanchez injury)
SS- Renteria
3B- Sandoval
LF- Guzman
CF- Schierholtz
RF- Dye
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
there's just no fucking hope, is there?
I have no faith that Sabean will do anything to improve this team’s offense.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions
Fred Sanchez killed any remaining faith I had in Sabean.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Nov 17, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s due for one.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
But but but...
He HAD one! Remember? He won a batting title three years before the Giants acquired him! Sabean sure remembers. That’s all we heard about when Sabes traded for him.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Yeah, and it’s been a while, so chances are that he’s going to have one again soon.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
slightly?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
All three of those guys having career years? I’d say they’d be underpaid!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
slightly
First he overpays Johnny Damon, and now he overpays for a threesome?
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
This is kinda like that time that a thehavenot typo prompted a huge discussion.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
How much does one pay for a threesome anyway?
Uh.. just curious.
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Depends. Are we talking the cool kind?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Where is The Lasso of Truth when you need it?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Wow.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 17, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
But but but . . .
Freddie Sanchez is not the problem. The problem is Sabean. Freddie could play third if Uggla was at second. Freddie could play second if Panda plays third and Paul Konerko can play first or even Jorge Cantu, but you see Sabean doesn’t like trades; he’d rather sign crapola . . . aging, second-rate crapola. (I guess that’s redundant . . . just like Sabean.)
Don't believe everything you think.
Paul Konerko?
oh man
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Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
The best part is arguing for Paul Konerko and then saying the problem is “aging, second-rate crapola.”
I honestly believe that there was no better option at 2b.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not even talking just re-signing him… I mean the fact we traded as much as we did for him. Terrible OBP, a batting title three years before we signed him that inflated his value, AND a knee injury that was suspect enough that we should have been able to acquire him for less than a top 5 prospect from our farm system. To make matters worse, we sold low on one of our top five prospects.
That day, I completely lost faith in Sabean’s ability to put together a functional offense, OR his ability to build for the long haul.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Nuh-uh
The Giants are going to improve their offense this year. They’re gonna do it. They’re gonna. Just you watch.
The baseball Satanist
I'm bookmarking this comment
just in case I need a scapegoat next October…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Little ol' me?
That scapegoat you’ll be wanting? May I suggest one or both of Sabean and Bochy?
I feel that they are much better than someone who gave a sarcastic comment on a blog.
The baseball Satanist
I’m just messin’ with ya.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I thought we still blamed bondslegend for everything.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Him and Victor Frankenstein.
EFFFFF UUUUU VICTOR FRANKENSTEIN!!!!1
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I think you are thinking of the Sharks. And they did.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 17, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Jeez Grant, you could have broke the news a little softer.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions
One positive thing
At least Sabean is saying he’s not willing to overpay Juan Uribe. I’m pretty sure next year Uribe will revert to 2005-2008 form, so this is a good thing, I think.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
SCREW XANATHAN
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
didn’t he have a bunch of t-shirts made with that exact phrase?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
WE NEED TO KNOW!
Never Question the McCoven!
ok
whos second username is this?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think it belongs to groug think.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
meaning what?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
(Think less literally)
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I am extremely confused
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
lulz
I enjoyed that.
Graham, think not about the user-name: Group Think . . . belongs to the collective. Verily, it is so.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Im gonna go lay down.
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Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Owned by none, owned by all. Open 24 hours a day. 7 days a week.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
No, this is the fake account that belongs to grougthink.
by grougsfakeaccount on Nov 17, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
One positive thing
Agreed. He’ll have Pedro Feliz-type numbers. Not at $4.75M, please.
Don't believe everything you think.
Just shop at the bargain bin, Brian
The Giants have a well built pitching machine and some core parts of an average offense in Panda and Buster plus sprinkles of Garko, Sanchez and Lewschierlezker. Pick up some refurbished hitters at a cheap price and pray that they will hold up decently for at least 9 months then repeat the process until maybe Albert Pujols or Hanley Ramirez publicly state that they want to be a Giant and only a Giant.
I say this because these past few years the Giants have been burned by high priced FA’s but Sabes has done decently on the lesser priced FA’s such as Affeldt, Uribe, 1 month of Penny and Aurilia.
Just kidding on Aurilia to see if you were paying attention.
Win the inning.
if by "core parts of an average offense"
you mean like a car that has a rebuilt transmission, but is otherwise a junk heap.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I get the sense that he’s going to pretty much coast now that he’s got his extension. Unless he does something stupid, he can at least claim that young players are getting their “fair chance to play” (even though they aren’t, really), and no one will call for his head.
It doesn’t seem that hard to get an offense by overpaying Holliday a bit. It would make this team so much better just to have that one player. Suddenly Pablo doesn’t have to stress over doing all the work, and other players fall closer to hitting slots that they should be in, like Rowand, for example.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
I really want holliday
offered him 7 years/20 mil per in our dynasty league. GIT R DUN SABEZ
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Here’s the part I don’t buy:
Maybe there’s a bargain free agent out there. … Hey, not much out there.
This looks like a great year for bargain free-agent shopping. Johnson, Branyan, Delgado, Cameron, Glaus, Beltre, Baldelli, Nady … all these guys are going to be relative bargains. Sure, some of them won’t pan out, but this is one year when there’s no excuse for not putting together a decent-on-paper offense.
Career year, career year, old and name brand, old and name brand, old and name brand, old and name brand, possible bargain, junk/possible bargain.
Your mileage may vary, but that’s how I see those guys playing out.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 17, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
“Old” and “name brand” work in opposition to each other. You can get good name-brand players at a bargain because they’re old, or coming off an injury. None of those players is getting a big contract.
Nick Johnson’s not coming off a career year at all. His trade value has been recently established as “less than Ryan Garko.” Nobody much wants him.
I do!
/signed him in my dynasty league.
I’d love if the Giants signed him, but there’s no effin way it happens.
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You just saved me the time. Exactly, except remove Johnson because he’ll only be healthy ebough to play 38 games in 2010.
Don't believe everything you think.
I have a condition
The word Uggla sounds better and better every day.
Should I seek help?
Yes
Even if the prospects the Giants gave up were pretty useless, Uggla doesn’t really seem like a bargain for the $8M he’s going to be paid. And he doesn’t have a defensive position.
he could catch while Posey gains valuable PT in AAA wherein he can learn the art of calling teh baseball game
he could catch while Posey gains valuable PT in AAA wherein he can learn the art of calling teh baseball game
TW…TIGFC!
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Uggla would be excellent
Average on defense, yes. Not a butcher (see Ray Ray). And a terrific #5 and plenty young enough. But then again, Sabean doesn’t like trades.
Don't believe everything you think.
Durham wasn’t THAT bad.
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That was quick
I see that your Durham-defending skills haven’t gotten rusty since he left the team.
The baseball Satanist
NEVER FORGET
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by Natto on Nov 17, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
for old times sake
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Still love it
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UZR/150
Durham: -1.8
Uggla: -2.9
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when people say things without knowing facts
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Uggla’s not average on defense. And he’d be replacing Garkawa in the lineup, so the incremental offensive improvement would be pretty small. He’d cost $8M plus prospects. He’s just not a great fit for the Giants.
Everyone needs to think of Uggla as a first baseman, since that’s the bat he would be displacing.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 17, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wake me when we have a real GM...
Hoping that Brian Sabean’s offseason maneuverings will somehow result in a significantly improved Giants offense feels a lot to me like watching a howler monkey flinging poo, and hoping it will somehow result in a masterpiece of art.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
final stage of grief is acceptance
all these posts sound resigned to acceptance of 2-3 runs a game
maybe we’ll get damon?
jermaine dye woo-hoo?
bargain basement free-agents?
maybe it’s too early in the off-season for me to give up yet, but there is money off the books, we’re set, for better or worse, at C, 3b, SS, 2b, CF, SP, and Cl. We find a cleanup hitter somewhere, & a leadoff man besides Rowand, and we take the West.
lol
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I like the cut of your jib
Wait, no I don’t. Who are these magical players you speak of, especially the clean-up hitter? I see two on the market and Sabean just said he won’t sign either of them.
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I see Bengie
who’s the other one out there?
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
Re: final stage of grief is acceptance
I’m still on depression. I was in denial yesterday. Anger and bargaining, not so much.
by The GD Batman on Nov 17, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
2-3 runs a game! Yes! I knew we were gonna get better…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh
I hate drawing three cards at a time while playing Solitaire. Invariably the one card you need will be the middle card in a group of three, completely inaccessible. Like it’s taunting you. “Hello, I am Ms. Five O’Clubs. I and I alone can bring you victory in this game. AND YOU CANNOT HAVE ME!! I’m gonna go to that computer over there where that muscle-bound hunk with the nice car and a trust fund is sitting and let him draw me instead.”
I like Freecell better.
Anagram of "Edgar Renteria" = IRATE NERD RAGE
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions
Penny was good for 2 months he was really bad for 3 months and not so good the previous 2 seasons. SO be careful with him…Sign reasonable and with him being the 5th starter..Bumgarner will go to spring training, if he is great the giants should keep him up as a spot starter and long reliever..keeping the other starters innings down. Bumgarner has not pitched big innings in his career so you need to keep him active and save his arm for the second half, that is if he looks great. If he starts to falter, send him to AAA to continue building arm strength. If he is average or poor in Spring training…tell him he’s being "promoted to AAA (from AA) and tell him were looking to have him help us at the end of the season…this will give him confidence…Remember, he has had a taste of the show and that will get in his head and could propel or hinder him.
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Sounds Pretty Reasonable
Nothing here by ‘ecellstore’ that looks really retarded, unless I am missing something.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
But
If there was just a black 10 available you would be able to get to the card below the 6 of clubs. With there being 2 aces in only 6 hidden cards you would have a good shot at making some real progress on the game. Conclusion: are the Giants are only a black 10 from a shot at winning it all?
RACIST
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Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
are you saying the Giants should sign Andre Dawson?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
except Dawson is 55 years old and hasn’t played in 13 years and hasn’t played well in 17 years.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 17, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Holy missing clause Batman!
From TFA
and having already traded pitching prospects Tim Alderson and Scott Barnes
… for squid scraps™…
But yeah… it’s Holliday or go home this off season. It’s funny because in 2008 the Giants OF (Lewis/Rowand/Winn) was actually kind of… average-ish… it was just the infield that was awful. Now we are looking at (Velez/Rowand/Scheirholtz)? With a side of Andres Torres?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I was wondering what it would be like if Jon Gruden announced Giant's games, and this is what went through my head
“See this catch by Aaron Rowand out here on the warning track. Let me tell you something, this guy is a BASEBALL player. He just goes out there and makes all the baseball plays you need to be a winner, I would have LOVED having this guy on my team.”
Madden would be better:
He runs back there and BOOM right into the wall!!! Now that’s what you want to see, guys going all out for their team! BAM!
[telestrator going crazy]
He could have taken this route to the ball, he could have taken this route but WHAM! he took the one that took him BOOM! right into the wall!
Just let Frank Caliendo do Madden as Giants broadcaster.
BTW, you and Mr. Merope taking the trip to the prison er Coliseum to watch the Bengals?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Yup.
I grew up a Raider fan, ‘till they ran off to LA …. excuse me…WTF Sharks?!?!? Get your shit together!!!!!!!! anyways… so I’ll protect him from the few Raider fans that will probably be there, then again Raider fans and Bengal fans do share a certain love of the Steelers…
Awesome
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The thing is...
The Giants are still solidly # 2 on my list of Bay Area professional sports franchises. The real question is: what is more painful?
a) being a W’s fan
b) being a Raider’s fan or
c) a corneal biopsy without anesthesia
a, most definitely
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll give you two reasons—one, it’s the Horror-iors, and two, it’s the NBA.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
c) why I will have a job.
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Probably C
Since it’s a surgery, and they would be cutting into your eyeball without any pain medication.
That would suck.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
b) unless you are one of the deluded ones that think everything is a conspiracy to make your awesome team look terrible.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Why am I having visions of Kevin Bass?
Welcome, Jermaine Dye.
Yes, this does seem inevitable. Dye will be 36, his OPS is declining. He’s a good guy in the clubhouse. He’s from the Bay Area (born in Oakland, grew up in Vacaville). He still has some pop. It’s just such a classic-ly Sabean move.
Given that Dye mostly played RF and Jason Bay LF, is there any way worthwhile way to compare the two defensively?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Look, if the Giants look for Dye, it better be a short term contract, like a 2 year, but if the giants look for Bay, they’re probably going to lock him up for a long term, but fact is, you can’t get both defense and pop in free agency right now, it’s one or the other, but you know, i’d rather take offense at this point because of our lack of power or hitting. The giants have enough defense in the field even if they sign someone like a Bay or Dye.
Bay is a good hitter
He’d probably hit enough to make up for his sub-par defense. Jermaine Dye might hit better than Fred Lewis (certainly not much better), and he’d surely be a butcher in the field — yes, much worse even than Fred Lewis. Dye would not improve the team. He would be a bad signing if he cost $1 per year.
/ ground shakes
/JPonry enters
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
If i remember right, someone here was talking about the errors Lewis made, and that he didn’t make THAT MANY errors, it just came at the wrong time. But look, this team is STRIVING for offensive power, and at this point you have to take what you can get, you already have pieces around you with pitching and defense, you need offense wherever you can get it, and if it takes a little decline on the defense gotta do it
It’s not always the errors that are made, but the extra bases that are taken because the ball couldn’t get back into the infield quickly enough.
And don’t the giants have pitchers that can get themselves out of that jam? i mean look, i can definitely deal with one outfielder having problems defensively, and in my opinion, we’ll see what happens, he may or may not have problems defensively, point is, i’ll take offense
Matt Cain had almost a DIVINE ability to get out of jams and not allow runners to score this season when they got on against him. We cannot hope and rely that they can do that every time. We need the defense to be crisp behind them.
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Repeat: getting to the ball is harder than catching it. Dye can get to very few fly-balls. He has zero chance of catching those. Phone Co Park, unlike US Cell, has a large outfield. This is not a good combination.
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Read that as:
Chan Ho Park, unlike US Cell, has a large outfield.
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+1
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
DAMMIT PEOPLE I WILL EAT YOUR FUCKING SPLEENS IF WE KEEP HAVING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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We need to bookmark that long ole fanshot from way back when, and everytime someone new brings it up we can just cut and paste the link.
hmmmm, which fanshot are we talkin bout? because i totally remember JPonry talking about lewis and how he really didn’t make as many errors as some of the other players, it just came at the worst time
I just remember there was an OMGWTFBBQ fanshot with like a bizillion posts. Fanshots NEVER get a bizillion posts.
likewise dude,
Although there are no girls on the internet, Merope is a “dudette”.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
In my opinion Lewis is a promising young fellow who shows lots of potential but isn’t right for the Giants at this time. As you can see from this chart of extremely advanced statistics, he is a defensive liability and his average +winz per season does not sufficiently make up for this. Perhaps he can be traded for younger, cheaper talent that can benefit the team farther into the future.
There is no way Lewis will have any trade value dude, i’m perfectly fine in holding onto him, because in my opinion he had ONE BAD YEAR, and for real, it wasn’t THAT BAD. He has the offseason to get himself back into what he used to do offensively, and we’ll see what’s gonna happen, and at best he’s a back up outfielder, and i’m comfortable with that
yea, this was his first real year at failing at that role, but look, i’ll give em one more year to see what he can do in that position.
ummm, sure… i’m not even really sure, i’m not a stat guy, but if that’s the case, that’s cool, he had an off year
LOL
Todd Linden: .231 / .303 / .335, .290 wOBA, 0.3 WAR
Fred Lewis: .277 / .355 / .420, .343 wOBA, 3.9 WAR
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But you forget
Linden: +1 defense
Lewis: -eleventy billion defense
/math
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Best highlight ever was when Linden made that catch against the Nationals to end the game. I remember the Nats announcer going something like NOOOOO HE CAUGHT THE BALL
Good times.
Ah, the play that got Linden the nickname Magellan
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Linden's "clutch" catch!
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That got me watching old Giants highlights for the past half hour. I miss Bonds and Lowry and Vizquel…
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.355 OBP was what? 3rd on the team? second?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
His OBP last year was .348. I don’t think anyone but Pablo was even close to that.
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actually
Torres had a .343 OBP, after that Ishi and Uribe both had .329
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Torres had half Fred’s PAs, though.
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Thats true, but you have to give him some credit, he still had 170 PAs.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Torres was "better than expected"
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actually
pretty good for a backup
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Good point, a “pretty good” backup, good speed, contact, and a lil power, with some good hustle and D
Totally exceeded expectations
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
RBIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HE HIT LIKE .350 AS A PINCH HITTER YOU FUCKS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
i'm kidding
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
But yes, she did call you a fuck.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
he's a college kid
thinks being called a fuck is a positive
:)
ok
FRED LEWIS AS A PINCH HITTER
.263/.349/.447
WAAAH BATTING AVERAGE WAAAH
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You forgot:
In the clutch: .109/..109/-.109
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
His aura actually causes baserunners to wander off of the bag and get picked off.
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The sad thing is it wasn’t even a year. I was like a bad hundred PA’s and a few errors at costly times. Then Bochy’s eyes rolled like slot machine wheels and both landed on “TEH PROBLEM”
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You’re accusing me of sarchasm in response to a comment where I was talking about eating spleens!?
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Do I need my spleen?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
No
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Oh. Okay then. In that case, he can do whatever he wants to it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
great minds
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LOL NOOB
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
here you go.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
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lol
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Hey now!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
and it begins
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 17, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
It's my fault
I should never have brought up Fred Lewis. I don’t know what I was thinking. As soon as this chap mentioned the thing about Lewis bobbling the wall, I was just like, “OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?”
my bad
oops. I was just being cheeky. Didn’t realize it was such serious business.
by fantastical on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, he bobbled the entire wall?!? I mean, I knew he was all /CLANK! and Teh Problem and whatnot, but he misplayed an entire section of architecture?
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Every time this comes up, I imagine the boulder rolling towards Indiana Jones.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
LOL
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Nah
Bass was 31 and coming off a 129 OPS+ season when we signed him. Dye is 36 by opening day and coming off a 103 OPS+ season.
While I have no memories of Kevin Bass’s defense, it was almost certainly not as bad as Dye’s.
/sob
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It could be Mike Cameron and I’m guessing Boch will stick him in right. That doesn’t sound kosher does it?
Don't believe everything you think.
Im not really interested in Cameron no matter where he plays
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind.
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he just seems like another declining veteran to me
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
He’s old, but there’s no evidence he’s declining yet.
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Thats what the Giants are for
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
Or how about . . .?
Garrett Jones for Merkin (“It’s outta here”) Valdez. Oh wait, Littlefield is gone.
Don't believe everything you think.
Whats with the parenthesis?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
I only play solitaire one way
Vegas style. 3 cards at a time. 3 trips through the deck. You usually lose but it is much more satisfying than when you win (almost every single time.)
The analogy in the OP is good. At some point in easy mode solitaire, you have to quit if you don’t win the game because you are never going to win. Giants brass don’t play solitaire, they play golf. This is the real problem.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 17, 2009 6:28 PM PST reply actions
man…it must be a dreary night in Vegas when you are betting on solitare…at least pull the lever or something
If you look open the options menu you can change how the game plays.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 17, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
OT: apologies for all the OTs but jeeze, i really can't stand these people upstairs playing their loud music ALL THE TIME
The worst part is it being at 8 AM on a Saturday morning, or 1 AM on a Tuesday night, give me a break, put some headphones on or something if you want it loud
or go drive around in your car.
We have obnoxious neighbors too. It’s about the only thing Mr. Merope and I fight about. He wants to move, get a house or a condo … I think, anymore, no matter where you live you are going to asshole neighbors and if you own the place you are REALLY stuck.
loud music and pot/cigarette smoke.
The smoke isn’t so bad now that it’s winter and we don’t have the windows open.
1 – talk to neighbors about the annoyance
2 – give em a couple chances to knock it off without you reminding them
3 – call the police every time they do it. eventually the police will give them a last warning. if they do it again, they get a ticket.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 17, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU GO OFF TOPIC
MCC is devoted to maintaining one topic off discussion per thread! NO EXCEPTIONS!
Did someone here say, "Chocolate chip Macadamia nut cookies"?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
He saw Earl Campbell
and said “fuck that shit, I’m rich already”
Smartest guy in the world if you ask me. Got money, still considered one of the best to have ever played, and he gets to live a long healthy life instead of degenerating at 50.
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
He is one of the best i ever saw, and first jersey i ever owned, yet i was a niner fan before that and never had a jersey from the niners
He was redonkulous
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
In light of all the concussion / head injury debates that have been going on lately I’ve been wondering if Sanders suffered from too many knocks on the noggin, and just decided enough was enough.
Or
he was ahead of the curve.
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Or
he realized that the Lions were never going to be anything but the Lions, and just said, “Ahhh… fuck it.”
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
A distinct possibility
but he easily could have left if that was the case. Demand a trade, or just wait for your contract to be up
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I didn't expect anything less (see my fanpost)
I’d like to know exactly how much Penny wants. I really hope we are able to retain him.
He’s the only free agent on the team the Giants should make a decent effort at retaining, imo. Bumgarner could use more AAA hotness, and Joe is severely meh, even as a #5 guy.
We should sign Penny to at least have a trade chip at the trading deadline. Even if Penny is average, we can get value for him and bring up Bumgarner. Call me crazy but I think we will need to trade for some offense around the deadline.
most teams do need to trade for either offense or pitching around the deadline, if they plan on contending. Knowing the giants, it will be the former.
OT: Speaking of things you don't expect to see...
SFGate headline:
Would-be ninja impaled on fence in Seattle
umm, well Pittsburgh is awesome at alot of sports but not baseball…. and Pittsburgh was one of the best places to live
Yes but you’ll find yourself in danger of the self-impaling would-be ninjas!
That’s enough to scare me away from a state.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
Whats so unexpected about that?
Everyone knows about those fences in Seattle
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Heh.
Read that today. “Alcohol likely played a role.” No way, really?
I heard he was going toe to toe with Brian Wilson.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 17, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Supposedly, Pablo will be on Chronicle Live on CSN tonight. Only thing is you have to listen to Greg Papa.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
what time?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
On now but will be repeated tonight at 9 PM on CSN-BA and after midnight on CSN-CA.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Watching it now
Yep, I miss this guy.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I guess he’s back in the city.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Yes. My friend saw him working out with the rookies at AT&T yesterday.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I like how even his shirt has character. Especially in contrast to Papa and Groeschner. :)
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
LOL @ Papa worried about Pablo getting too skinny.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 17, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
/returns Xanthans Christmas present
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Computers dont wear socks
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
They wear tennis shoes!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 17, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
/buys Xanthan some groovy orange Sketchers
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t feel too bad. I drew Xanthan’s name last year, and he’s very hard to shop for.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I bought you an anti-virus program last year, but I took it back when I realized it required Windows 3.1 or better.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Windows 3.1 or better
Windows 3.1 is probably the worst operating system I’ve ever used, so does that mean it works for every computer system everywhere?
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I liked 3.1
You could keep track of what the computer was doing without all that damn registry crap.
The interface of 3.1 made me want to scoop my eyes out with plastic spoons. Especially being an LOL MAC SNOB forced to use a PC.
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Multi Platform Nerd Alert !
Windows ME wins worst PC OS ever for me. Had to repair every family member and friends install.
Mac OS X (initial release) was pretty bad, really clunky, though not close to Win ME.
Have been playing with Ubuntu 10.04 (linux) and kind of like it.
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What about Bob? (Microsoft actually had an OS called Bob.)
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say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
WHAT?
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
BoB interface
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I looked it up
god that’s awful
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
True story. I don’t know if many of you remember the After Dark screensaver series for Mac and Windows 3.1, but I have a tie with the flying toasters on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:After_Dark_Flying_Toasters.png
It is amazing.
I used to have After Dark for Mac!
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Being a Star Trek nerd, I liked the Warp Speed-type screensaver. And the aquarium.
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Picard by a freaking mile!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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I’m also a fan of DS9, but Avery Brooks isn’t half the actor Patrick Stewart is, so.
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Avery Brooks is a great yeller more than a great actor.
“I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!”
"El once, chico. Eleven."
His yelling is actually my least favorite part of him as an actor. I find him utterly unconvincing when he tries to get emotional.
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I will say, though
Avery Brooks is a better actor than William Shatner, Kate Mulgrew, or Scott Bakula.
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Ugh… Janeway….
Did I ever tell you my summary of every Voyager episode (which comes with the understanding that I didn’t watch much Voyager because it was a terrible show)?
Somehow the crew gets into an impossible situation.
Engineering and Janeway discover that you can reroute the power from ::technobabble:: in order to get ::pseudoscience:: that will ultimately ::technobabble:: the ship and save the day! And Seven of Nine has big cans.
Everybody is happy, except for still not being anywhere close to Earth.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Huh, my italics were supposed to continue to the end of the comment. Oh well, you get the picture.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Do you remember the two-parter “Year of Hell”? It was about Voyager passing through a really rough part of space™, getting their ass kicked on a daily basis, lots of people getting killed, ship in tatters, running low on supplies, desperation setting in…
…and then at the end they did a Magic Reset Button and none of it ever happened.
I always thought the whole series should’ve been like that episode, minus the reset. What a waste of a premise.
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I always thought they should have done a magic reset button on Seven of Nine’s cans.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I’m also not sure what that means.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Did you catch Ron Moore’s semi-rant against technobabble during his Trek days? (Link, a Q&A session during some sort of conference.) This has to do with TNG but it reached its apex in Voyager.
by non sequitur on Nov 18, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
I never did see that. The sheer depths of technobabble in Voyager was truly epic.
I did like the doctor, though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
I always enjoyed the doctor, and even approved of his cameo in Star Trek First Contact.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
It was fun, but in that cameo Picardo had about as much to do as Gates McFadden did in the entire film. I do think Stewart and Spiner were much better than the rest of the cast, but in the TNG movies the writers barely tried to give anyone else anything interesting to do. It wasn’t that way in the series.
by non sequitur on Nov 18, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Er, but to steer back on topic, I did think The Doctor was one of the better things about Voyager.
by non sequitur on Nov 18, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
This is just a general question. How many McC’er are treckkies and how many aren’t?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I am not
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I am an ex-Trekkie. I followed it religiously for years but grew to despise it. It’s why I’ll go off on anti-Trek rants at the drop of a hat.
by non sequitur on Nov 18, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
NO, DAMN YOU.
Well, maybe you’re right.
by non sequitur on Nov 18, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
He said ‘happy medium’, not ‘crappy medium’.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Which one is trekkie and which one is trekker?
Eh… I guess it doesn’t matter. I liked TNG and DS9. I’m a fan of many of the movies. I guess I don’t go a whole lot further than that.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
there is a difference?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I think there is….
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I liked the original. I never watched any of the spinoffs.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I like the Original Series and DS9. I love TNG and the feature films (even the bad ones).
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I really enjoyed TNG, DS9, and kind of liked the first season of Enterprise. I never went back for season 2, though, because the whole time travel storyline irritated the living daylights out of me. Just too Deus Ex Machina, if you ask me. I watched Voyager for a while, but it definitely lost me. When my first daughter was born, I Tiivo’d a bunch of TOS episodes, which were entertaining. But ultimately, I only really got into TNG and DS9.
I loved the new Star Trek movie, though.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Huh. I thought the first (and second) seasons of Enterprise were pretty bad. It got better for the last two, though.
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I was a trekker for a while, but then I stopped.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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I enjoyed most of the shows, only really could not stand one (Looking at you, Bakula).
I really enjoyed the Dominion War in Deep Space 9.
Have not seen many of the original series episodes as I was a kid when TNG was on.
Not really a trekkie though. Just a fan of the shows and movies.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
New movie?
I thought it was GREAT, and I’m not even a fan of the series outside of a few TNG episodes.
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the new movie was fun, but overrated.
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No there weren't
Chalk any plot hole up to time travel. Boom! Problem solved!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Haven’t seen it yet. may grab it on demand or make the archaic trek (hehe get it?) to blockbuster or something.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
In that case, DO NOT read my below comment.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
why didn’t you tell me sooner???!!!?!?!??!?!
Oh wait, I saw it already…
Carry on…
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I thought it was pretty darned good. And I LOLed pretty hard at:
Young Spock: “I have to help repopulate Vulcan.”
Old Spock: “No! You stay here with Kirk! I’ll take care of all the breeding!”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Also, I’ve been told by a friend exactly when and where a Tribble appears in the movie, but I need to see it again to verify with my own eyes.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Someone posted a shot of R2-D2 in the movie here.
by The GD Batman on Nov 18, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
That reminds me. In one of the Firefly or Serenity special features or commentaries, Joss Whedon is talking about how he took a lot of inspiration from the Millennium Falcon.
But if you watch it with the subtitles, it reads “Millennium Vulcan.”
Subtitle Fail.
(There’s also a subtitle in the series where Jayne says “Gorrammit, Mal” and the subtitle says something like “Grab a Rabbit, Mal!”)
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Grab a Rabbit sounds like a reply you’d see here. More subtitle fail.
by The GD Batman on Nov 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
It’s on Scottie’s desk. I caught it the second time around.
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Yeah, that’s where I was told it is.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
The Dominion War was fucking epic.
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 19, 2009 2:18 AM PST up reply actions
I used to be a big star trek fan
Now, I remember certain parts of TNG and TOS fondly. I love DS9. I like some of the movies and despise some of the movies (Star Trek 5 is among the worst movies I’ve ever seen). Everything else is crap.
But I can probably get the title of biggest star trek nerd just because I actually appeared on the documentary Trekkies 2.
I might be the person who is least deserving of being on the documentary, though…
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Does ANYONE like Star Trek 5? Maybe William Shatner.
1 was one of the most boring movies ever, too. And the plot was lifted from a TOS episode.
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1 was one of the most boring movies ever
This.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
/15 minutes of flying down oddly colored corridors in gigantic cloud-ship thingy
The baseball Satanist
It wouldn’t have been boring without that stuff. It was just edited poorly.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Apparently
It was supposed to be even worse. Shatner wanted McCoy to be kidnapped by the god/alien thingy and Kirk and Spock were supposed to go after him by wading across the River Styx. Or something.
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Star Trek 5 is definitely terrible, but I still don’t mind watching it.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Also
I’ve mentioned this before, but the last two seasons of Enterprise are actually underrated. Not great, but better than most anyone gives that show credit for being.
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Doctor fail
should have been a hologram of McCoy.
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by daveinexile on Nov 18, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Name one actor who’s ever been on any Star Trek series who’s half the actor Patrick Stewart is.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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William Shatner
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
There were many actors on DS9 that were very good
Jeffrey Combs, Armen Shimmerman, Marc Alaimo, Andrew Robinson…
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colm meaney
every once in a while, there will be a clue that reads “A Prayer for ____ Meany”.
More than once I’ve put in “COLM”.
I used to have a problem wrapping my head around two MLB pitchers surnamed “Zambrano” too. Fortunately, Victor solved this issue.
"The way I see it, we've got two choices..."
I swear, there was a stretch of episodes where Chief O’Brien would say that every single episode.
The baseball Satanist
When my wife and I were watching Voyager
We noticed how there were certain phrases they used about three times an episode. The only one I can remember now was, “This part of space.” As in, “We’re new to this part of space.”
Oh! Another was, “some kind of.” Everything was, “some kind of spacial anomaly” or what-have-you.
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Also
Nana Visitor was quite good, too.
Many of the actors I’ve named have been stage actors as well as Hollywood actors.
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I believe his name is spelled Armin.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Very good and in the ballpark with Patrick Stewart are two completely different things.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Well, you said “half the actor.” I have no problem saying that any of those actors are, at least, half the actor that Patrick Stewart is.
And that’s not even getting into my opinion that Patrick Stewart is over-rated as an actor.
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OH NO HE DI'INT
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well there's your problem
And that’s not even getting into my opinion that Patrick Stewart is over-rated as an actor.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
BUT HE PLAYED AHAB!!!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Half of Patrick Stewart?
The bottom half, though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 17, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Is that the Bilbo Baggins song?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, I thought it would be. I didn’t want to click on it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
How about this, then?
I found a whole “desperate men in prison” movie with 1966 Nimoy on Youtube. It seems to be full of acting. Enjoy?
by The GD Batman on Nov 18, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
No, it’s just that I don’t click on youtube links while I’m at work.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I probably shouldn’t be looking at MCC at work. Too entertaining distracting. Still, I think the only people who would care are Giants fans.
by The GD Batman on Nov 18, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
The Bilbo Baggins song is funny
But he also has this one called Twinkle, Twinkle Little Earth. In it he wonders whether a being on another world would wish upon an Earth.
And, of course, the simple answer is no.
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BOSTON COLLEGE!
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
WHAT THE HELL
HOW DID I NOT KNOW HE WENT TO BC
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
News: Rotorworld Projections
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=34139
Good news: Molina to the Mets
Meh news: Torrealba, Carlos Delgado to the Giants
No word on OFers yet.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Indeed. Also, they have him at 1 year/$3 mil, which seems pretty low.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
He was a favorite of mine, though.
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Even before I hated AJ, I hated the trade because, aside from the overpay, I thought Yorvit would be a perfectly good starting catcher and replacing him was a waste of resources.
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yeah
and Nathan was my favorite next best thing prospect for like 3 years, so therefore automatically a favorite when he actually made the big league team.
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I was at the game in 2000 when Nathan hit a homer against the Reds and only gave up one run. That memory is now spoiled.
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I agree
I would like to have him back, he would make a good stopgap guy
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Choose one:
Nick Johnson, Carlos Delgado, Adrian Beltre
Who do you want?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Johnson. But Beltre is interesting to me also. And could be real cheap after injury.
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by foothillsfan on Nov 18, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
I have no idea. Give me access to a team of doctors who will examine their medical maladies, and then I’ll get back to you.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Don’t worry the Giants medical team will do a thorough health exam!
/OK’s Freddy Sanchez’s torn knee
Hey, as long as they can hit an empty .284, they’ll be worth it!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I dunno, he’s been worth 7.5 WAR the last three years, compared to 2.8 for Garko. What’s the argument that Garko’s just as good?
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LaRoche:
Career wOBA: .353
Career UZR/150 @ 1B: -4.7
Garko:
Career wOBA: .347
Career UZR/150 @ 1B: -4.6
They look almost identical to me.
They would be an interesting platoon, though. Since LaRoche can’t hit LHP and Garko isn’t anything special against RHP. I’m guessing the biggest difference between their WAR values is PT and Garko’s DH adjustment.
Fair enough
But LaRoche has been better than Garko by a good measure the last couple of years. Garko’s propped up by a couple of good seasons in 2006-2007.
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He has been better, but part of his WAR totals are probably PT related. He’s probably a 2.5 win 1B in an average year and Garko is a 2 win 1B. I’d rather gamble on a guy like Delgado or Johnson.
Yeah, I’d prefer either of those guys too.
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I don’t really see him as enough of an upgrade over Garkokawa. If we upgrade at 1B, it should be with someone who is a sizable upgrade.
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looking at his numbers, hes better than I remember
.355 OBP, 25 HRs, .843 OPS, turned 30 this month
I just dont know if hes a big enough upgrade, but then the same could be said about all of our other options
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
DINGERZ!
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
JOHNSON PLEEEEEEZZ
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, bad offense will still be bad. (aging outfielder FA signing) will be a bad sign. I am ready for another ~650 Runs scored in 2010. Yay(?)!
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 17, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions
I was thinking
we are all talking about upgrading at 1st base, but maybe we should focus more on upgrading at SS. Im pretty sure a Garko/Ishikawa platoon is better than Renteria. Unfortuntley, the only FA SS who are even decent offensively are Scutaro and Tejada (who probably isnt a SS anymore). Another option is to shift Sanchez to SS, he has played before, and that could free up 2B for a possible trade for Uggla or let us sign DeRosa or Lopez. Probably not a good idea, but its worth consideration.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions
You are thinking goood thoughts
I’m in tune with your thought process. The focus has been on the corner outfield and 1B because the young unproven guys are there, but the really blatant sinkholes last year were at 2B and SS, so the cheapest way to improvement would be to get a guy at short. Scutaro on a one-year deal should be discussed, but that’s not even been considered (even by the rosterbating fanposters) because everybody knows Sabean isn’t going to accept Renteria as a fixed cost.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
I just looked up Scutaro's numbers
and I wasnt impressed. He just turned 34. He has had over a .330 OBP the last 4 years, which would have been 4th on the 2009 Giants, but besides last year, his other numbers werent that great, and yes, he did get playing time. He was decent in 2008. Eh, im undecided, but I dont expect him to put up numbers like last year.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Saying he has an over .330 OBP the last four years is underselling him a bit, I think:
2006: .350
2007: .332
2008: .356
2009: .379
He’s a Type A and likely to be overpaid, though.
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Ok ya
but really only his last two seasons are anything about average
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
This
he scares me, because he’s going to get too much money and guys just don’t “get better” at his age. I foresee a huge dropoff next year.
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
This same reason leads me away from Figgins.
He has two excellent years, and a whole bunch of middling ones, and the good years are in 07 and 09.
And he’s not getting any younger- scary stuff.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
This
people will look at his insane STEEELZ last year and think he can do that again. He’s on the wrong side of 30
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
And of course they will ignore the fact that his success rate was actually a couple of percentage points below the league average (which is about 73%).
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BUT HE HAD STEELZ
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, this is true, I’m not overly enthused with Scutaro going forward.
He’s probably the biggest improvement that could be had on the lineup past Holliday, Johnson, and… man, there’s about nobody else.
So it could just be that there ain’t shit for SS, so there’s no point. I hear there’s this Hardy fellow on the trade market that could probably be had for an Alderson and a Barnes…
oh, whoops!
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
One more option
sign Lopez to play SS
/clank
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
He has 602 games at SS with a -42.3 UZR, .959 fielding %
he also has 95 games at 3rd base where he posted a 2.0 UZR
He could even play a corner outfield spot, but he has a negative UZR there too(-3.3)
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
so’s, he any good?
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
not defensively anywhere except 2B, but offensively, hes nothing to scoff at
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
that actually sounds enticing
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Huh. I thought I had a reason to say that in a sarcastic manner, but I now I don’t know it.
Lifeline?
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
I thought he was a shortstop converted to catcher?
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. I got the vibe from somewhere (here, maybe somewhere else), that moving him to SS was an incredibly dumb idea, but I can’t support that position myself.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
he sure looks more like a shortstop than a catcher…
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, definitely. I guess much of it comes from the fact that he settled in as a catcher and played behind the dish the entire year. It would definitely take some work getting him acclimated in the infield.
It also complicates things. As long as Renteria is there in the infield, why displace him unless the guy jumping in is way better? Then we’d have to acquire a good catcher to validate the move, and the catching free agent crop this year really blows.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
long term, though, it could be a good move if he does have the ability; it wouldn’t take him long to acclimate.
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
well
Lopez actually played mostly SS in 2002-2007, well okay, only 50 games in 2003 and 2004, but played almlost every game there in 2005 and 2006
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
so you see Lopez catching?
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
hes already fucked up at every other position
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Al Lopez was a pretty good catcher
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
/crackalaka on that!
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
comments on Juan Uribe...
mean, to me, that he’s looking at Mark DeRosa who is… Rich Aurilia II
I think Russell Branyan may be more in the mix than we realize… he’s got Power
Branyan had the careeriest of career years last season
no thank you
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I really dont want Branyan
that is just destined for failure
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
enough with the 1/2 players
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
OT: The one thing that's really beginning to suck
Is that time is moving by so damn quickly since i’m a senior in college, and i have basically a year left, i’m done next fall, anybody else ever have that feeling? Because i really just don’t want to anticipate that time of moving on to the next level…
Yeah
It’s called Grad School.
"Well, um, actually a pretty nice little Saturday, we're going to go to Home Depot. Yeah, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time."
Not a bad time to be in school
In a way it’s the same – still have to grind stuff out every now and then, goofy campus-related stuff, etc. But it’s also different because you get treated like a human. Guess the professors figure that you’re smart enough to be there, they worry less about tormenting you and take pressure off so you can learn.
But yeah, Fuckit, let’s party.
"Well, um, actually a pretty nice little Saturday, we're going to go to Home Depot. Yeah, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time."
yawn. c’mon nancy—buck up
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
there we go
ignore the worst job market for college grads since…last year.
Fuck it
lets just sign Lackey and Bedard and hope our staff pitches shutouts 60% of the time
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:48 PM PST reply actions
Hell yeah!
Lincecum
Bedard
Cain
Sanchez
Lackey
Am I forgetting anyone? …nope.
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Just the most expensive reliever of all time
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
How much does Bedard figure to make?
Is he still going to get ace money despite the 2 years of injuries? If he could be had at any sort of discount that would be awesome, but I suspect he’s gonna get too much.
Man what a terrible trade by the mariners.
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously,
is that deal worse than the AJDP deal? I say “maybe”. Liriano and Bonser have sorta flamed out, obviously Nathan makes it a disaster, but they got Sherril and Adam Jones, who’s going to be GRREEAATTTT for a long time. And they got a good deal for Sherril.
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
If this were a logical world
I would say that it was worse, because Bavasi eventually got canned and Sabean’s still around.
But that’s no rational benchmark.
If you look at both ‘at time of trade’ the Bedard one looks worse. If you look at both 3 years into the future (which we’ll have to wait for), I’m pretty sure the Bedard one will still look worse.
Not the most qualitative of analyses, but I stand by it.
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What was the trade?
Bedard for Jones, Sherril and someone else?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 17, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Tilman, Butler, and Mickolio
yup, 5-for-1 for a guy they had for half of 2 seasons.
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by bondslegend on Nov 17, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Tilman was in that trade too? Jesus Christ, that is far worse than the Pierzynski trade
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
IKR
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is Bedard cheaper than the 8 million we spent on Randy Johnson?
he might have more left in the tank than Penny, no?
You leave Groud’s thing out of this.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
At this point I have resigned to a “”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky4rfA_tebY" target="new">Jesus Take the Wheel" mindset regarding our offseason moves.
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it's 4 AM ...
I’m drunk on Balvenie 12, I’ve made more progress on my article in the last half hour than in the previous two weeks combined, I’m closing in on 5000 comments at McC, and I need to be in Sproul Plaza at UC-Berkeley by noon to participate in the strike action against the Regents’ inevitable vote to approve higher fees. I need to do this more often.
Grant is totally right
As long as Velez, Renteria and bad-Rowand are in the lineup it will be full of fail. Barry Bonds couldn’t fix it. So we can hope for three things:
1. Vroom-lez is a smokescreen and Lewis (or Bowker if you prefer) has a real shot at starting in left. Then upgrade 1B in FA.
2. Upgrade LF and move Velez to the bench or DFA. Seems to me like Holliday is the only real candidate here that could pay of in real value above the players he should be replacing. Hope the “too expensive & don’t deal with Boras”-thing is a smokescreen to keep the price down on Holliday.
3. That “new offense” though FA means not Dye or other offensive mirages, but instead maybe quiet upgrades at 1st base (like Nick Johnson) or SS (moving Renteria to the bench). And that Rowand hits 28 dongs, Sanchez hits 320, and the some of the young guys – Schierholtz, Garko, Bowker, Ishikawa, Posey, Lewis or even Velez magically figure “it” out and put up above average numbers.
So hope for smokescreesn or big improvements from players in their mid-late 20s having peak years.
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yep there are a few ways to stay positive over the winter, and I am leaning toward this one.
Add up a bunch of low probabilities, maybe one or 2 of them will work out—like one or 2 of Bowker, Nate, Fred, Velez, plus Torres platooning, hitting well enough at an outfield spot.
And Cameron displacing Rowand in center.
Then add Sabean getting lucky on his FA guess among Nick J, Adrian B, Russel Branyan at an infield spot. And also add Renteria and Fred S bouncing back after surgeries to have career type years. yow, an offense is kind of conceivable
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
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by foothillsfan on Nov 18, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure you can cross Cameron off of your list. I’m not sure I see the great attraction anyway. Yes, He’s a good def OF, but career:
Rowand: .280 .339 .448
Camerion .250 .340 .448
He’s an upgrade? Plus, Cameron is much more of a “split” guy v LHP. No thanks. Anyone else remember that Rowand carried the offense in May and early June? Yeah, he’s streaky, but that was one heck of a streak.
It’s funny to complain about Sabean’s comments, but do you really disagree? I don’t want to over pay for any of those guys above. And, speaking of Bay and Holliday, are those the guys you want to build your offense around for the next 5 years? Maybe they are, but you don’t want to overpay for them simply because they are the best guys out there this year.
I think, for this year, foothillsfan and kennv are right, you’re only going to improve marginally on offense, the FAs just aren’t out there and you guys aren’t going to like the guys we have to give up to improve the offense via trade. In fact, it could end up being a net negative.
For the Giants to really get better, they are going to have to get lucky and have some guys have career years. Maybe Johnson comes over and stays healthy. Whoever they play at catcher either lives up to his billing (Posey) or drinks from the fountain of youth and has a swan song year.
I really hope they play Bowker or Lewis over Velez. For all the talk of Geno’s improvement, his numbers, in the end, came right back to his career norms. He is who we think he is.
Rowand hits 28 dongs
Tee Hee.
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I’m guessing that’ll scare Holliday away. He probably had enough of that in St. Louis. Beltre too, for that matter.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Nov 18, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yu Darvish is now officially on Sabeans radar. GAAAMMMEEEERRRR
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NO YU!!
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Gamers are fine when they’re, like, actually pretty good.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
On a serious note
He probably shouldn’t be changing his mechanics to compensate for an injury. That is just a serious arm injury waiting to happen.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Plus 1
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, kind of scary.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
“If a scout says, ‘This guy stinks,’ but the numbers say he’s excellent, the truth probably lies somewhere in between.”
OK
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I think that might be a extreme case, but its probably true. As much as we bitch about scouts and see him with your EYEZ! stats have there limitations.
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t get where the divide even ever came from. The entire point of stats has always been to qualify what you see with your eyes. They weren’t ever created, recorded, or referenced in order to replace scouting by anybody with a modicum of intelligence. Stats help your eyes to see better. They don’t tell you to stop looking. They never have and they never should.
But it really seems like a lot of people believe that’s the way it is. Those people are wrong.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
+1
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Ding ding ding!
We have a winner.
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This is stupid. It’s like arguing over whether to have proteins or carbohydrates in your diet. YOU NEED BOTH
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
“Another general manager was telling me about his center fielder,” Zduriencik says. "He said, ‘The metrics say he’s off the charts, but I watch him every day, and I don’t see it.’ That’s why I think you have to use all the information available.
OK
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
So a CF who grades as off-the-charts who the Mariners are going to see often? I’m thinking that it’s probably Ryan Sweeney.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
SO YOU ARE NOT SAYING!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 18, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Technically, Jerry Crasnick is just sayin’.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
OT: What sucks about school
Is not knowing until 2 weeks or 3 weeks before when exactly you have your break. I knew when Thanksgiving break was, but what i didn’t know was just when the professors wouldn’t have classes, because on the syllabus they must put that they have class, but in reality i didn’t know until 2 weeks ago that i didn’t have any class monday or tuesday. But as of now, instead of flying back Monday or Tuesday, i’m coming Wednesday. Sorry bout the OT, but it’s something i had to get off my chest, it’s really frustrating.
Be careful. I skipped a couple of lectures the day after my 21st and the day before spring break (started on a Thursday), each professor gave ~2% bonus for showing up! I also got points one Thanksgiving week class for the same thing! If they say class is optional I would definitely go!
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 18, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
It’s now 150 bucks to get on a flight from Cinci to SFO because of a change in days i want to fly out
let me rephrase that, if i want to fly out earlier than intended, it would be 150 bucks to change to an earlier date
I was looking for an article about the guy (I believe from the bay area) that faked being homeless and made ~100K/YR doing it and his wife thought he was a investment banker or something. Does anyone know what I am talking about?
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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You get the whole week off*
*aside from the one prof who scares everyone away
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
OT: Has anyone seen Heyman on MLB Network?
Dude has a punchable face and personality.
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions
I hate him
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by bondslegend on Nov 18, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to punch him square in the personality, it’s true.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 18, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
TRACY GETS 3 YEARS!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/rockies-sign-tracy-to-threeyear-extension.html
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by say hey nation on Nov 18, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions
I thought you meant the Giants signed Chad Tracy
scared the hell out of me
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Whats his OPS look like?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
.695 in 98 games last year
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 19, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
I see the Giants signing Matt Holliday, Pudge, and Ben Sheets. I think that would be a solid offseason.
Panda 4 Prez
One of those things is not like the others
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Holliday and Sheets are fine, although the money is obviously not there, but Pudge doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
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It occurs to me
Watching WWII in HD on the History Channel after participating in that economics of baseball discussion above, it occurs to me that the Allies won WWII largely because the United States was the Yankees of the world (which is highly appropriate).
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