Sabean putting alot of weight in Winter leagues?

by kvdp12 on Nov 16, 2009 1:04 PM PST Comment 41 comments

Is it possible that Sabean will be basing some of his offseason decisions on the performances players have in the Winter Leagues? Alot of guys who could potentially have big roles on the team next year are playing November baseball right now.

This is Buster Poseys 9th straight month of being on the field i believe. What other reason besides seeing if he can be the starter next year would you push a player like that? I understand guys like Joe Martinez who missed alot of the year with an injury being there, and Nate Schierholtz who didnt have all that much playing time last year, but guys like Bowker Frandsen and Velez just played a full year.

Sabean has also said that unlike when they signed Affeldt one year ago tomorrow, they wont be going after players as quickly or aggressively and 'waiting to see how the market develops'. I think partially he might wait for that reason, but i also think it may have a part to do with seeing what you already have.

Possible questions inside Sabeans head as he may be be putting alot of weight into Winter League performances:

Can Velez be the teams leadoff hitter for 2010 or should we look elsewhere?

Can Henry Sosa, or Waldis Joaquin make it into the bullpen on opening day or should we look to sign another arm?

Can Kevin Frandsen be a Utility player for the Giants in 2010 or do we look into someone like Craig Counsell?

Are Bokwer or Schierholtz good enough to have a starting OF spot next year, or should we look to sign a corner outfielder in Free Agency?

Can Joe Martinez be the teams 5th starter or do we need to look into resigning Brad Penny?

Can Brett Pill or Jesus Guzman solve the 1B vacancy this year or do we need to look outside the organization at FAs?

Is Buster Posey ready for the starting catchers job Opening day next season?

It would annoy me a little bit if some of these were even really questions.

Bowker deserves a shot a playing regularly already and Im afraid that if he doesnt hit good in Puerto Rico that the Giants will have doubt in feeling that same way. Velez shouldnt have a starting job next year, BUT he's hitting .328! Buster hasnt had results in the Fall league, put Id like to see him starting next year.

Really I think the organization should know enough about most of these players to be able to already determine what they figure their roles to be on the 2010 team without putting alot of weight into November performances.

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I highly doubt Sabean puts that much weight in winter ball stats

The sample size is too large

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by jctGamer on Nov 16, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

HAHA

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by say hey nation on Nov 16, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wait, I thought...

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by Ramah71 on Nov 16, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

TWSS

by sfoakbay on Nov 16, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

BRETT PILL!

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by say hey nation on Nov 16, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Pill is in Venezuela with Bowker.

by flyonthewall on Nov 18, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Last year it was Sandoval and Guzman

So, less weight.

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by Bhaakon on Nov 18, 2009 1:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t believe that Sabean puts weight on anything more accurate or relevant than a ouija board.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 16, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The pronouciation of ouija and colonel have always bothered me

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by say hey nation on Nov 16, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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by Grant on Nov 16, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that one just pisses me off

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by Viliphied on Nov 16, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

then we probably shouldn't sign Marcus Thames or Chone Figgins

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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 16, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sabean: Do you wear clothes?

/Sabean moves the ouija so that it hovers over the word “no.”

Sabean: Where are you now?

/Sabean moves the ouija so that it points at the moon.

/Sabean picks up the phone.

Sabean: Hi, I wanted to talk to you about giving Winn two more years.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Nov 16, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Boy, I’m glad he didn’t dial that phone!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Nov 16, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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by Natto on Nov 16, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe I’m a pessimist, but I think Sabean would answer like this:

Can Velez be the teams leadoff hitter for 2010 or should we look elsewhere? YES! VROOM!

Can Henry Sosa, or Waldis Joaquin make it into the bullpen on opening day or should we look to sign another arm? Need more grit in the bullpen

Can Kevin Frandsen be a Utility player for the Giants in 2010 or do we look into someone like Craig Counsell? Kevin Who? We need savvy off the bench.

Are Bokwer or Schierholtz good enough to have a starting OF spot next year, or should we look to sign a corner outfielder in Free Agency? I’m already giving left field to our best prospect (Velez). And Jermaine Dye can add pop to the middle of our lineup.

Can Joe Martinez be the teams 5th starter or do we need to look into resigning Brad Penny? How many all star games has Joe Martinez started?

Can Brett Pill or Jesus Guzman solve the 1B vacancy this year or do we need to look outside the organization at FAs? Dan Ortmeier and Lance Niekro proved you don’t look to fill this position with kids

Is Buster Posey ready for the starting catchers job Opening day next season? I’m not sure. So I’ll sign someone that Bochy will feel comfortable starting the first 6 months of the season before giving Buster his shot.

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by ResDog on Nov 16, 2009 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

In terms of pitching, I don’t expect Sabean to fudge up the team. In terms of hitting, I think VROOM, No, Velez/Dye, outside the org, and no Posey doesn’t start is pretty much right.

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by JRPhillips on Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Putting on weight?

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Nov 16, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Putting in weight. That’s an important distinction.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Nov 16, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

which poor girl is he putting his weight into now?

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I really thought that's what the title said.

And that’s okay. Us middle-aged guys have a hard time not putting on weight….

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by Skaldheim on Nov 16, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Renteria

Getting burned on the Renteria deal by jumping in too early last year is the reason nothing has happened so far this year.

by toofruss on Nov 16, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Did not stop him from junping in on Freddy Sanchez

by wilriv21 on Nov 16, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Beat me to it :(

And the reason he hasn’t signed anyone else is because the only people he can sign right now are our own free agents. Friday is when unsigned FAs can negotiate with all 30 teams.

by quincy0191 on Nov 16, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly, I believe F. Sanchez is the best option at 2b this season.

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by say hey nation on Nov 17, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

But we didn’t take the time to look at anyone else. What about Iwamura? Or Hudson? Or Uribe? etc.

by quincy0191 on Nov 17, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course he does

Evidence? Neifi Perez killed it in the winter league the offseason the Giants signed him. That signging couldn’t have been based on any sort of regular season performance.

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by Bhaakon on Nov 16, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Freddy Sanchez: Batting title
Neifi Perez: Gold Glove

Sabean also puts high value on someone winning a secondary award once in their career, preferably years before becoming a Giant.

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by JRPhillips on Nov 16, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My optomistic view of the Posey situation

They want him to get as many innings behind the plate prior to the start of Spring Training because they are going to go into it with him the #1 catcher. That’s really the only logical explanation I can come up with them having him play so much without a break.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Nov 16, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

thats not bad

I dont know if its accurate, but it actually makes me feel a little bit better to be honest.

Its funny because fuck the dodgers

by kvdp12 on Nov 16, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree that Sabean & Co would like for Gerald Posey to receive as much experience as possible and that is the reason Posey continues to catch this deep into the year. With that said believe Sabean is using the AFL to gauge Posey the same way Sabean used the AFL to gauge Manny Burriss the previous AFL.

Fortunately for the Giants Posey is much closer to making an impact at the ML level than Burriss was so Sabean will be signing a catcher with a one year stopgap deal.

by wilriv21 on Nov 16, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fortunately for the Giants Posey is much closer to making an impact at the ML level than Burriss was so Sabean will be signing a catcher with a one year stopgap deal.

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by Roger on Nov 17, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Really I think the organization should know enough about most of these players to be able to already determine what they figure their roles to be on the 2010 team without putting alot of weight into November performances.

He totally ignores minor league stats, so why would he pay attention to Winter ball?

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by wjackalope on Nov 16, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i think

he only puts importance into stats of players that he likes (velez, renteria, etc.) and ignores stats for everyone else

by sfoakbay on Nov 16, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that's probably it

but wait – if he paid attention to the stats of players like renteria and velez, they would never see the field. He must ignore that stats of players he likes, and – no I think he just ignores all of them

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Nov 17, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t care how much weight he gains, regardless of what league.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Nov 16, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

LOL FAT

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by satyricrash on Nov 16, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think Sabeans puts much weight on the winter leagues and I’m pretty certain that Sabean has make his decisions on those already. The only one i see as being a possible is the AFL and how Poesy looks at that level of competition.

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by GiantFan on Nov 17, 2009 7:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

ESPN Deportes

The other day I saw a game from the Dominican Winter league on ESPN deportes. It was advertised as Gigantes, but was some other team. Anyways, you might want to check it out from time to time.

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by kennv on Nov 18, 2009 7:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs