Depressing graph is depressing. Dashed-line is a league average wOBA.
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I've often wondered
If Torres isn’t better than we’ve been giving him credit for.
Is there any reason that he shouldn’t start every time we’re facing a lefty?
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
by GiantPain on Nov 15, 2009 2:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t know what to make of Torres. He’s seems pretty volatile to me. His track record is too weird (for me) to try and project him with any comfort. I think he could either be a nice 4th OF again next year or be out of the league.
by xanthan on Nov 15, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Mike Fox about that one.
Go Richie!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 15, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know… before coming to the Giants he had almost 300 career MLB at bats of:
.210 / .258 / .276
With the Giants (at 31 years old), he had fewer than 200 at bats of:
.270 / .343 / .533
However, in the interest of not splitting samples, his MLB totals are (in 455 at bats):
.232 / .290 / .372
However, his 8 year AAA totals (about 2000 at bats) are even worse than his small sample goodness with the Giants:
.276 / .351 / .410
Personally, I doubt that at 31 he blossomed into a better hitter than he really ever had been at any level. And even that’s not quite fair because his AAA numbers do trend upward quite a bit once you get to 2006. His defense is good and can make up for some regression. He can likely also be maximized offensively in a platoon, so his regression wouldn’t necessarily be precipitous.
But he has a long career of not being very good. He’s going to be 32, coming off of the first success he’s ever seen, and that success came in fewer than 200 at bats.
I am extremely leery of that player. I can see arguments being made for him continuing somewhere near his 2009 numbers, but I can see many more arguments being made for him just being terrible.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 16, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what we can all agree on is Torres is just really hard to get a read on. There’s some much of his past that simply contradicts itself, I just have no idea what to make of him…
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When Franchez goes down in April this might be the biggest f@uck up in awhile, being as there were so many better options at 2B that would have been easily attainable. God damn it.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 15, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And his pretty UZR bullshit numbers won’t be any good then either.
Sorry about that, I really don’t like F. Sanchez. Not one bit.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 15, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Did't Like The Trade Either
But that said, their is no real good reason to expect him to brakdown in 2010 other then plain bias against him because Sabean aquired him.
by giantsrainman on Nov 15, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has been hurt the last 2 years. There is a lot more reason to excpet a brake down then an healthy years from him.
I look at the Reds floating Philips or the perennial Uggla rumors think they traded a lot of ceiling for a floor that is not necessarily all that sound.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 15, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He Was Hurt Last Year Only
2008 was just a down year performance wise as he started 131 games and had 608 PAs. In addition, the injuries he had last year are the type of injureis one can expect full recovery from.
by giantsrainman on Nov 15, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t give a shit that Sabean acquired him, that has zero to do with it. The fact is he’s a pussy. Period. Wouldn’t matter what roster he was on.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 15, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really get it. If the guy is injured, he shouldn’t be playing. Unless you think Aaron Rowand playing hurt his whole career has benefited his teams?
Get on him for being injury-prone (although that’s arguable outside of last year), but the macho bullshit is just that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 15, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
If you’re playing through injury because even hurt you’re the best option that your team has that is one thing, but if you’re just trying to prove that you’re not “a pussy” that’s just stupid.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
by j14 on Nov 15, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a pussy?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 15, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah. Now Joe Meower, there’s a pussy.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 16, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! He should have been a dick instead!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 15, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact is, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Period.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 15, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what? you don’t think Cain is a first ballot Hall of Famer?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Nov 16, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was playing hurt last year as well.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 15, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
’08 that is.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 15, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Never tried to imply that he should play hurt. Implying that he breaks too easy and was a horrible choice given the options that were there.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 15, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How does someone being injury prone make them a pussy?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 15, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/patiently waits for Goofus to arrive
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 15, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FELINE LOLGILITY
Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Nov 16, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ONLY TEH WUSSIE HAVE TEH CATS!1!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 16, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Greif what have Rain & I wrought?
My response was ment to him about saying Sanchez was hurt in ’09. I figured above addressed the whole bad side of playing while hurt.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit xanthan!
Use park-adjusted wOBA’s! This is terrible!
/resumes crying at the prospect of next season’s offense
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 15, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You what’s really sad?
/Fred Lewis stuff ahead
I was looking at StatCorner’s park-adjusted wOBA numbers and Fred had a .340 something adjusted wOBA. I don’t think StatCorner includes SB/CS like Fangraphs does, does it?
by xanthan on Nov 15, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
It includes ROE’s though. And I think their adjustments are based on park factors for each component, though I’m not sure if they use multi-year data or single-year data for those park adjustments.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 15, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
According to my calculations, Fred had 5 ROE's in 2009
/curses no site for easily providing ROE’s
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 15, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROE ?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 16, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
She’s Bajoran.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 16, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer KIRAs.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 16, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you that one. But don’t tell my 11 year-old self I said so.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 16, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
!!!!!!
Damn Sean Forman for not putting them with standard batting!!!!
/excuses own laziness
ROE’s are times Reaching base on Error
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 16, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BB-Ref prefers ROE, while Joe Morgan prefers the intangible-driven WADE.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 16, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the difference between including those 5 for Fred and not, in my calculations, is the difference between .328 and .342 (rounded)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 15, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lolrlya
Also, since the season is over I can finally admit it. Xanthan wuz rite. God damnit.
Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Nov 16, 2009 12:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Garko and Sanchez. Yay playoff push acquisitions!
by Fresburg on Nov 16, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like how Rich Aurilia’s number is so bad that his name doesn’t fit in the graph
by Mrbasepaul on Nov 16, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's my boy!
(can I haz new adopted giant?)
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 16, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if you promise Bochy won´t play him
by Mrbasepaul on Nov 17, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh Fred Lewis is the 4th best player on the team
hmmmm
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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