My Offseason thoughts
by Scronjsn on Nov 14, 2009 11:30 PM PST
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PrintI don't know what you guys are calling it now...rosterbation or whatever but here are my thoughts on what I think we should do. Tim over at mlbtrade did his "offseason outlook" for us. He predicts us to be around 80 million range after the arbitration cases. Assuming we get a 90-95 million budget from ownership...we have 10-15 to play around with.
I would love to get a Bay or Holliday but like many are saying, we just dont have the funds due to a few bad contracts.
What do you guys think about:
3B: Wait for Garrett Atkins to be non-tendered, then sign him...I know hes coming off of a bad season and all his good seasons are in Coors but I think he still has the potential for power and a rebound season. Hopefully, we can snag him on a minor league deal or something relatively cheap.
-With this move we shift Pablo over to 1st.
+Plan B: We would have Ishi/ Bowker and possibly Jesus Guzman to use at 1st if Atkins fails.
LF/RF: Marlon Byrd. It is possible that this guy is just another Gary Matthews Jr. just waiting to happen, but maybe this is Marlon's chance to finally secure a starting job for 2 seasons in a row to get things going.
-If not Byrd, I am a huge fan of Xavier Nady, however, I don't know if we have what it takes to land him here. I'm unsure of what he will command on the open market. If he can be had for a reasonable amount of money, I say get him.
-With this move, we could leave a spot open for a 3 or 4 way competition between Andres Torrres, Natey, and Fredy with the possibility of Bowker.
Starting Pitcher: Brad Penny. He seemed to get into a groove here with us so why not.
Unfortunately, I think that will be about it for us. Penny alone will cost somewhere between 4-8 million. Also, if we do have any money left over, Sabean would be able to do his little waiting game plan and see whos left. There should be some interesting low salary signings(O-Dog) and minor league contracts(Uribe) this year. It should be fun.
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why sign Garret atkins he hit for low avg only had 9hrs and 48 rbis, and he isn't a base stealer
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You do understand that there is more to baseball than these stats right?
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I think you fell in the chasm
at least for Mike Fox’s sake I hope you did. I think Garrett Atkins would be a very good risk for this team to take.
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He wasnt kidding
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
He never has.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
With Atkins going on a serious downward slope, he’s as much a questionable as Ishikawa. I want our moves to be sure improvements over Sandoval at 3B and Ishikawa/Garko at 1B, if we’re going to spend the money, and this isn’t a sure improvement.
I’m not a fan of Nady or Marlon Byrd as free agent signings.
I broke this out a week ago but a repeat applies here. Examine with an eye towards the slugging numbers, and you’ll see what doesn’t bode very well for Byrd if he comes to play half of his games at Mays field.
Year Age Tm PA BA OBP SLG OPS
2003 25 PHI 553 .303 .366 .418 .784
2004 26 PHI 378 .228 .287 .321 .608
2005 27 TOT 259 .266 .323 .376 .698
2006 28 WSN 228 .223 .317 .350 .667
2007 29 TEX 454 .307 .355 .459 .814
2008 30 TEX 462 .298 .380 .462 .842
2009 31 TEX 599 .283 .329 .479 .808
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/15/2009.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
And right there is why I don't want any part of Marlon Byrd
Nady’s a good acquisition if he comes on an Atkins-like deal where’s there’s minimal risk, but he’s probably going to get a better offer than that.
Atkins is a good signing if he’s on a minor-league contract and we can cut him without thinking twice. Penny shouldn’t cost $8M, he should top out at $4M. Yeah, he was great for us, but he was horrible with Boston. That matters more. Also, his deal with the Sox was for a little over $5M; how does he get a $3M increase for six good starts?
it’s about time somebody weighed in with their thoughts on the offseason
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 15, 2009 12:14 AM PST reply actions
I wish the season would start soon. We still have 5548905058 more fan posts coming.
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You know, Garrett Atkins coming as a bench player would be nice. Play a little 1B/3B/LF against lefties. I’d be cool with that.
Byrd should fly away though.
Nady only has one arm.
Pretending I didn’t even see GMJ.
Guzman’s radical.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 15, 2009 12:18 AM PST reply actions
Marlon Byrd’s career OPS+, before age 29: 85
Marlon Byrd’s OPS+, ages 29-31: 112
GMJ’s career OPS+, before age 29: 85
GMJ’s career OPS+, ages 29-31: 108
GMJ’s career OPS+, after age 31: 85
It is possible he’s another Gary Matthews Jr.? They even had their good seasons in the same hitters paradise of a ballpark!
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
ugh
this is the longest off-season ever, and by the time it’s done the giants will have almost the exact same roster they had last season.
MattCainsAHelluvaDrug: /douses elbow in kerosene
/ignites
MAKE WAY FOR THE WORST DEFENDER OF ALL TIME
seriously Purple Row asked some scout about his D at third. The response was “He just doesn’t give a %^$&”.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Garrett Atkins is the worst defensive third baseman I have ever seen. I would rather watch Pablo at short than Atkins at third, and that’s not hyperbole. Well, maybe a little. But not much.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 15, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
He would almost certainly have to 1st baseman or LF canidate… right?
Right?
Right?
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Brain SabeanOranother.
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by daveinexile on Nov 15, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
The %^$& gives it away as a PR comment
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 16, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Slightly O.T. : Can someone explain to me this fascination of moving Panda off third for almost any scrub with the sack to play it?
To me the 3rd is Panda’s for the next couple years or more unless some how the Giants get an elite level 3rd baseman. Given how hard it is to get just a good 3rd baseman. Why are so many fans keep trying to reinvent the wheel here instead of looking at better choices for 1st base than the non elite 3rd baseman they suggest bringing so as to move Panda?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Agreed. Panda played defense well enough to stay there in 2010, it's just
that he isn’t an elite defender there like Beltre is, and with Rentawreck at SS one more year, range and quick legs are a premium at 3B. But Beltre is going to cost us $6-8 million per year of our $15 million lunch money from Bowtie-with-Cash, so going with Panda 1-2 more years at 3B, especially a slimmed-down Panda, and using that money for a 1B and corner outfielder probably makes more sense.
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We’ve decided Operation Panda will be so successful that Sandoval will be the Giants 2010 starting shortstop!
I think Panda is fine at 3rd
but Beltre is just better, if we could find a good 1b that would be fine.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I can be argued a healthy Beltre is an elite 3rd baseman. So I get where you are coming from. I personally am not now inclined to make that argument but I get the logic of it.
It is the move Fred Sanchez/Uribe/Atinks/Uggla etc. to 3rd fetish to a seems completely out of control and almost manic in its disregard for sense.
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by daveinexile on Nov 15, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Well everyone wants Uggla for his bat, and we already have Sanchez at 2nd. The only other positon they can play is 3rd.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
/ grumbles
Mutters, " Oh goody! Yet another reason for me to not like the Fred Sanchez signing. Just what I needed."
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 15, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Freddy is a much much better fielder than Uggla though.
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I was thinking more along the lines of move Panda off 3rd for a marginal, if any, upgrade at third madness. I didn’t consider this even a remote possibility when I was opposing the contract to Fred Sanchez. I see I grievously errorred in my reasoning yet again. For once why can’t my errors result in joyous things?
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 15, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
If anything, Uggla should move to 1st instead of Pablo.
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Agreed
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Hopefully this problem becomes a reality.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 15, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not that this necessarily matters
But the last time that Franch was a regular 3B, he was also a batting champion.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
I doubt theres a connection
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
And he was 28. I tend to the 28 part is more important then him playing 3rd.
If your saying he would not be a diaster over there I get that.
But the absolute best case would be a repeat of Sanchez’s age 28 season. He was almost 50 Runs above replacement that year at 3rd. Sandoval was almost 52 Runs above replacement at 3rd last year and 6 years younger to boot. It is entirely reasonible to think Panda has not topped out yet. Why they heck are we even considering to mess this?
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 15, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I'm OK with leaving Panda at 3B and Franchez at 2B,
whereas a week ago I wanted Beltre. But that $6-8 million can be better spent elsewhere, like at 1B or LF.
I suspect Neal is being groomed for 1B in 2011, from what I read several weeks ago (wish I could find that link now). So the team needs a solid bat and decent glove at 1B for 2 years. Johnson fills that bill.
As for a corner outfield position, next year’s FA class is supposedly better, and Rowand’s bad contract may be dealt next offseason, so they’ll want to keep as much long-term flexibility as they can, rather than get tied into another stupid Sabean deal. But I could also see a 2-year deal for Cameron as well, because he can play all OF positions and may come cheaply compared to other options.
That just leaves the 5th starter position.
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Well
I was just thinking in terms of Dan Uggla, and whether, if Uggla were acquired, Uggs should play 1B or 2B. If Uggs played 2B, franch would be the obvious choice for 3b with panda at first.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
Why?
Seriously out of this set of three Panda is the elite talent the others scurbs.
If you want numbers why give up 20-30 RAR at third be moving Panda off it instead of just Uggla to 1st? I don’t get this impulse to monkey with one of few strong places in the Giants line up for little to no gain.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Why the crap are you so fixated on playing Sandoval at first? It makes no sense. He is an adequate defensive third baseman. Uggla is not an adequate defensive player anywhere and Frandsen will never be a starter for the San Francisco Baseball Giants. It’s not even worth speculating that he’ll be the utility guy. He will not play for this team because Brian Sabean has decided that Frandsen will not play for this team.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I’m sorry, I need to retract a bit of that. I was a bit confused. When people use Franch to refer to Freddy Sanchez, I sometimes think they’re talking about Kevin Frandsen. I don’t know why. It’s a confusing nick-name. Their is still no reason to move two decent defensive players to accommodate a lesser defensive player.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Kevin Franchise?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t know. It still really confuses me. I’d much rather use The Mole or Mr F when referring to Freddy.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I'm not
But Uggla has said he’d like to stay at 2B. I could care less, I’d like him at 1B, but he’s at least comfortable at second, and freddy has played well at third.
But sure, ideally it’d be uggs 1b, sanch 2b, panda 3b.
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
If we get Uggla
and he says “I’d like to stay at second” our response should be “We are paying you X million fucking dollars. You will do whatever the hell we tell you to do. If we say pitch, you pitch. Now sit down and shut up.” I don’t think he’d push it, but god damn am I sick of people who are making eight figures playing a game bitching about how hard their lives are. That’s like getting paid $5 million a year to have sex with Jessica Alba and then complaining about how your dick is chafed.
That is an epic analogy. My lord.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 15, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I need a cigarette after that analogy.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Thats funny
a lot of your jokes have been random and or not that funny , but that was funny
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Trade Rowand for Lowe.
Then move Cain for Fielder. The hope of course is that Lowe would bounce back and effectively replace Cain in the rotation. I imagine we would have to add something to the Cain-Fielder deal, but maybe Cain is so much cheaper that the Brewers would take this. Also, it would be great if we could add Cameron on a one-year deal. The Giants budget would go up, but c’mon – how can you expect to win with a $80-$90 million when Zito, Rowand (or Lowe in this case), and Renteria are taking up about $40 million. Not sure if Atlanta would take this, but they need outfield help and Rowand does still play decent CF and put up enough offense for that position.
My real concern is fans are getting complacent with thinking we’re rebuilding, but if we don’t go for it now, then when will we have a real shot. Lincecum is just getting more expensive as he moves through arbitration, and Zito and Rowand will continue to take up substantial parts of the budget. I guess my question is this: if we don’t go for it in 2010, then what is the plan for 2011?
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Lowe of Rowand is intresting but then what do theBraves do with McLouth? Lowe is due more money so I would expect a bit more from the Braves end as well. i am just not seeing this happen.
And the whole trade Cain, or J Sanchez for that matter, is dumb unless players ( player in Sanchez’s case) plays a premium position well and is under team control. First base and Left Field are not premium positions.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
The Braves need a RH bat in left or at first. If they pick up a centerfielder like Rowand they grab a RH bat and a plus defender in left. This actually isn’t a retarded move if we get an extra prospect or some cash.
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by satyricrash on Nov 15, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
my moves
trade bumgardner and bowker for uggla
sign nick johnson
sign uribe
2B SANCHEZ
1B JOHNSON
3B SANDOVAL
LF UGGLA
SS URIBE
RF SCHRHOLTZ
CF ROWAND
C POSEY
Wait a minute...
You’d trade our best pitching prospect, who we could have for the next six seasons, for 2 years (2 years or 3 years?) of Dan Uggla, AND you put Uggla in the oufielder, where his main deficiency (foot speed) would be most exploited?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
If we offered Bumgarner and Bowker for Uggla the Marlins would be falling all over themselves to make that deal while the rest of baseball quietly laughed at Sabean. That’s unbelievably stupid. So is Uggla AND Johnson; Uggla doesn’t have the arm for third, much less left field. One or the other, not both.
Also, Sanchez is a #2 hitter, not a leadoff guy; he doesn’t have OBP or speed. Schierholtz is a better option (he doesn’t have a great OBP either, but at least he’s quick). Posey should not be hitting eighth either.
I hate the idea of a not hot F. Sanchez hitting #2. He does not work counts deep, does not draw walks, he hits singles with a few doubles mixed in. Maybe he has a hidden ability to do those things but I’ve not seen it. I think he is better suited for being at the end of the OBP train to either knock in stragglers, or if leading off an inning, with enough foot speed be able to take an extra 90 feet should he get on and the situation arises.
As for F. Sanchez batting leadoff I am guessing he think Lewis is either gone or bench bound. In that case i like it better than Velez leading off.
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