Offseason Decisions for the Giants, Part I: Catcher
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 13, 2009 10:48 AM PST
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PrintMy secret two-pronged plan for the catching position in 2010:
- Buster Posey starts. And if he hits .210/.290/.330 for his first 200 at-bats, he still starts. And if he allows a passed ball per week, he still starts. The Giants don't a roster that would be favored for a playoff berth right now. If they ever have that kind of roster in the near future, it will probably include Posey being an impact player. So the team needs to figure out if Posey can be an impact player in the short-term.
If the Giants somehow repeat their 2009 win total without Posey in 2010, the burning question in 2011 will be, "Gee, can we afford to start a rookie catcher with this pitching staff keeping us in contention?" This would also happen if the pitching staff implodes, mind you. It would probably happen if the pitching staff was just okay. The Giants have youngbackstopophobia, and the best cure is to confront those fears. Just do it quickly, like a Band-Aid. - Private detectives bug Bruce Bochy's house to determine his least favorite catcher in the big leagues. This catcher would be the new backup to Posey. Does Eliezer Alfonzo, or whomever, set up too late for Bochy's tastes? Does he call too many breaking balls in the first pitch of an at-bat? Too few? Great, he's the target. Because we know that Bochy thinks one of the worst hitters in the upper levels of professional baseball can make up for his offensive deficiencies by calling a good game, holding the running game in check, and showing off sound movement behind the plate. A catcher who does those things well in Bochy's estimation is a catcher who will be starting in May if Posey has a bad first month, regardless if said backup catcher hits like Kirk Rueter on peyote.
There it is. The secret formula. Build a roster designed around the inherent distrust of your manager's decision-making ability. Because the organization has run studies and everything.
Moderator: Okay. Scenario two. There's a runner on first, two outs, and Albert Pujols is up. What is the pitch sequence?Minor league catcher with more than 500 games caught: Well, I'd try to steal a strike with a breaking ball if I'm confident in my pitcher's ability to keep the ball down. It really depends on the pitcher's strengths, really. If I'm catching a guy with a nasty two-seamer, I'll work away for the first part of the at-bat to set up a two-seamer inside, off the plate.
Minor league catcher with fewer than 500 games caught: Pujols? Screw that guy. Fastballs. And if my pitcher can't throw a fastball past him, then screw that pitcher. Shouldn't be in the big leagues. I'll call for a fastball right down the middle, and if my pitcher shakes me off, I'll tell Pujols what my pitcher's about to throw. Because this game isn't about strategy; it's about one man trying to throw a baseball as hard as he can past another man trying to hit a baseball as hard as he can. And if you don't believe that, then screw you.
See? That's science. I think Posey is the exception to that fewer than 500 games caught rule, though.
There's a special place in my heart for the people who are legitimately worried about Posey's ability to call a game. That concern assumes a) that there's some magic algorithm to calling a game beyond knowing the strengths and weaknesses of players, and b) that veteran catchers all become master tacticians through experience. The world is filled with people who play poker for twenty years, but still chase flushes and straights when two other people at the table are representing a full house. I'm not going to assume that every veteran catcher has had the secret of pitch sequence revealed to them as if they were an OT VIII-level Scientologist.
Posey should start, and there's every indication that he'll instantly upgrade the Giants offensively and probably defensively. I feel like Rod Serling is narrating my life as I write this. There's no reason this should even be a debate.
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I would prefer Kirk Rueter on peyote over Eli….except for that one time he hit that homer. Kirk Rueter not on peyote couldn’t even get it out of the infield.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 13, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions
The Giants will do what they normally do: waste talent in deference to lost talent.
by Every6thDay on Nov 13, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
OT: I ’ve been monitoring Pinstripe Alley for awhile so I can make fun of them at a later date elsewhere. Well let me make fun of them now.
There seems to be a small contigency that supports signing Bengie to replace Jose/Posada so that Posada can DH more and Bengie can catch and hit.
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions
To be fair its only a couple of people
http://www.pinstripealley.com/2009/11/11/1126861/bengie-come-home
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
For the Yankees, that’s actually ok.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Yeah because Bengie would probably hit 8th or 9th. You know, where he should hit.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Exactly.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
So Bengie + Posada is better than Posada+Matsui or Damon?
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
SWEET FUCKING CHRIST THANK YOU
Once again, you put into words what I can’t.
There’s a special place in my heart for the people who are legitimately worried about Posey’s ability to call a game. That concern assumes a) that there’s some magic algorithm to calling a game beyond knowing the strengths and weaknesses of players, and b) that veteran catchers all become master tacticians through experience. The world is filled with people who play poker for twenty years, but still chase flushes and straights when two other people at the table are representing a full house. I’m not going to assume that every veteran catcher has had the secret of pitch sequence revealed to them as if they were an OT VIII-level Scientologist.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
+1
I am pretty sure this offends VIII- level Scientologists.
Or at least it should.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
not only that, but what purpose do the coaches serve if they’re not there to help? They can call the pitches for the catcher if they think he’s calling the wrong pitches in certain situations. Plus I believe the pitchers’ on the staff have working brains, too. They’re allowed to shake their heads from side to side signifying “no” if they don’t like what pitch Posey has called.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 13, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
he ruined my Scientology joke
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Don't forget the addendum to the McCovey Chronicles "No Politics/Religion" rule:
1. You are free to make fun of Scientology on McCovey Chronicles.
2. You are free to make fun of 9/11 truthers on McCovey Chronicles.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 13, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
In that case
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Just so you know
I have been a baseball “insider” having interned with counsel for the Mariners, having represented player, having had 20 good friends who played, including All-Stars, I have scouted and had a passion for baseball for about 50 years-and I am a few away from being 60. I have had two players tell me that they never met ANYONE-in or out of baseball- that knew as much as I do about all aspects of the game….I don’t, in fact, agree-there are quite a few who know more, but the players I have known over the years always paid me high complements about my knowledge and that I just considered them regular guys….as a result, I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
by CplaneLawr on Nov 13, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We have our new rxmeister!
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WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Just so you know
You might hurt your rotator cuff patting yourself on the back with that much vigor.
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LOL Posts that begin with "Just so you know"!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Someone who toots their own horn this much is usually full of shit
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 13, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Pompous
Sorry to all, in re-reading my post, I do sound pompous…what can I say….of course, have been a minor league baseball enthusiast since the 60’s and was the first to try to bring up the importance of the farm system on KNBR back on the Ken Dito show when they first started sports talk. Tacoma Mel and Baltimore Dave were the guys who really charged those shows up…and now he is “Salty from Clovis” and I am just “Mel” or “Mel on a cell”
I am still on the fence with regards to Bochy and Sabean, though…they both have done some really good things and some bonehead things
I ranted about the pitchers they were giving up for Prickkzinski because I thought 2 things which have turned out to be correct….Nathan was ready to be a very good (turns out GREAT) closer and Torrealba was going to be a nice major league catcher….he hasn’t been quite as good as I thought and Matheny and Molina were both better, but at a cost, keeping them (if you believe in the Giants’ budget as legitimate) from assigning those $$ to a more critical place….instead we end up with Rentaria and Rowand….not to mention Zito (who will never be worth the $$, but might be serviceable for a couple years).
Try making a post without talking about how great you are first.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
that's unpossible
but I sure wish that was my sock puppet! BRILLIANT!
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by natteringnabob on Nov 15, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
where did this come from
and why was it a reply to Natoo posting that picture?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Natoo
Isn’t that Padme’s planet?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
I always prefered
Nattooine
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Not to be confused with Tantooine.
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I was thinking maybe that was CplaneLawr on the left
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
I am also a highly respected baseball insider. I have many good friends in the sport who all regard me highly.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
I have many leather bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.
by Ed Jew on Nov 13, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
hahahaha yes!!
please giants...don't make me cry like I did in 02....
Well Timmy...you make me cry tears of joy.
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 14, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Spoken like a true lawyer
A lot of babbling and bragging, and nothing related to the subject at hand, and nobody cares…
I think that’s capacitors.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Where we’re going we don’t need roads
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
/quits job
/sits around getting high
/changing the world
Am I doing this right?
"It's too late now."
Not enough moral condemnation.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 14, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Thetans Grant.
Thetans will get you.
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 13, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Welcome to the big leagues, son! Proud McCoven parent of future rookie of the year, Gerald "Buster" Posey and RL mom to future HOFer Henry! ;)
by GiantsFanInExile on Nov 13, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
+109
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Wiki irony :(
Featuring four backstraps, an arm loop, a crotch strap, arm straps and self-tightening clasps, a Posey Straitjacket is considered to be the most difficult commercially available straitjacket to escape from.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
It’s all about the crotch strap!
No crotch strap is gonna keep me down.
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by Goofus on Nov 13, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That gets my seal of approval.
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by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a sea lion.
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I am not lying, you see?
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Have you heard about the Penguin driving?
Well this Penguin was driving his car through the desert and his A/C stopped working. So he stopped in the next town and asked the mechanic to fix it. The mechanic said it be an hour, so the Penguin found a ice cream parlor and asked the owner if he could sit in the freezer while he waited. The owner agreed and let the penguin into the freezer. While in the freezer he could resist the Ice cream and started eating the vanilla ice cream. After an hour passed he went back to the mechanic and the mechanic said “It looks like you blew a seal.”
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL.
And now I am getting stranger looks than normal.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
This guy tells it better
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
awesome!
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don't seeing a sea lion kissing a little girl
Should’ve been a walrus, man.
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I found a un-altered photo
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
The beauty of this place
You leave for lunch, you never know what you’ll find on your screen when you get back.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
GOO GOO G'JOOB
MattCainsAHelluvaDrug: /douses elbow in kerosene
/ignites
by Tim LinCyYoung on Nov 16, 2009 2:45 AM PST up reply actions
im scared of ryan doumit...
because they could get him cheap and then use him as bengie version 2.crap and keep posey out indefinitely
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 13, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions
What Sabean calls cheap and what most here call cheap are two very differnt things.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
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by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
McCoven: “Heidi Fleiss is cheap.”
Sabean: “Heidi Fleiss is a veteran with a lot of savvy, grit and knows how to play the game.”
by Every6thDay on Nov 13, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
You handled that well…
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Plus, he’s one of the freakiest looking players out there. Eyes like lumps of coal, I tells ya.
by biff pocoroba on Nov 13, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I mean really,
who looks like this, outside comic book villains??
by biff pocoroba on Nov 13, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
BBBBRRRRRAAIIINNNSSSSSSSS.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Maria Shriver loves Ryan Doumit
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
you mean other than Jayson Werth
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
he looks like Jack Parkman. If you’re hip to the whole Major League 2 thing.
I'm a man
by Wes_Mantooth on Nov 13, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well done Grant.
Posey is going to contribute to the future of this organization. And it should not be languishing on the bench. Start him, keep him starting and let him settle in to a rhythm.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
He will definitely contribute with the veteran arms and dead bats the Giants get in return for him.
by Every6thDay on Nov 13, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
What about Zaun's awesome website though?
Picture that in all orange and black!
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
BUT THE PITCHERS THERE ARE BETTER THAN ANYTHING HE HAS EVER SEEN! IF HE CANT HIT NOW HWO CNA HIT L:ATTER? ITS ALL CONNECTED!
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
NEVER MIND THE SAME COULD BE SAID OF MOLINIA AND ALL BUT ONE OF HIS MONTHS THIS LAST SEASON HE MADE OUTS AT A HIGHERR RATE. ONLY THE NEW GUY AS TO IMPROVE!!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Molinia
What you call Bengie when he’s big enough for his own GNP and government.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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i get confused between Mo Lena and Less Lena. Though I am pretty sure i want Less Lena at this point.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Believe the brother is tiring out and not fit to handle a workload deep into winter.
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Whats with the real post?
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions
Scones or Dannish – Which is the better morning fuel food?
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by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Top Ramon
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
That seems more like a late night snack…
by Every6thDay on Nov 13, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Hit the wrong button. Plus, the SBN Long Reliever Of The Year Award isn’t coming out until Monday.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 13, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
/cross fingers and mutters come on…forgets who the Giants used as a long reliever this year
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
And it’s in before noon…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I think we'll be ok on Posey, once the Giants clear the Bengie hurdle
/trips over Bengie while trying to hurdle him
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Dude, seriously, you should just leap frog him next time
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a big, round frog to leap.
Welcome to the big leagues, son! Proud McCoven parent of future rookie of the year, Gerald "Buster" Posey and RL mom to future HOFer Henry! ;)
by GiantsFanInExile on Nov 13, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe pogo over him?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
FTW,
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Note to walrusman:
FTW is fuck the world and not anything else
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I always liked it with a ?
Fuck The What?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Maybe we need a slightly bigger one of theese for that task.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Why would we want a large acorn catapult?
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Because maybe Molina would follow it?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
/insert Glenn Beck conspiracy theory between Benji Molina, Barack Obama, and ACORN
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 13, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
The public needs to know about this
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 14, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
This is an acorn trebuchet, obviously, and not an acorn catapult.
by biff pocoroba on Nov 13, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
this.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
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Hey Ya, How is Aurillia supose to be on this team?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
he can play LF and bat cleanup
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
So it’s time to cut the Benjie cord?
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
What cord would be able to hold him?
I’d think it would have to be cutting heavy duty cables
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Is Jason Kendall too good that Bochy would play him over Posey? I’ve always liked him and think at this point he’d be an ideal back-up/mentor to Posey…especially since they’re kind of similar players.
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I’ve always wanted him to play for my team
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Kendall’s clearly not as good as Bengie, but he’s almost certainly better than Whiteside, and Bochy started Whiteside over Posey.
OPS+ of 72 vs OPS+ of 86
I’ll take the fall off
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, whom ever is brought in it has to be some one Big Head views as worse than Lewis or it too old to be expected to even semi productively play more than 800 innings.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn't matter
Veteran catcher = grit savvy starter. I don’t see any scenario in which Posey starts at the beginning of the season, and this blows my mind.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
So let Tommy Joseph play
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by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I have accepted he does not start the season in SF. I had all of September to get use to idea. Now I just how either the Giatns don’t screw up is service clock more with bench time and that there is nothing on the 25 man remotely palitable to Big Head when Buster has a hot month or two in Fresno.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Kendall always struck me as a douche. That being said, man what a turnaround he had after getting eye surgery.
But to answer your question, yes Boch would play him over Posey and he would bat leadoff, cause it would hurt Kendall’s feelings otherwise.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Kendall is supposedly a good clubhouse guy, but doesn’t have Molina’s rep for handling pitchers and mentoring younger players, even Molina’s younger brother Jose doesn’t have those.
Kendall and Posey similar? Not so sure, as Posey is not a basestealing catcher and will hit for power eventually….they are similar in that they both catch and they are both line-drive hitters, however Posey’s line drives land against the wall instead of dinking between two outfielders…if they don’t go over (see Pete Rose vs. Bo Jackson…a slight exaggeration)
The same Bengie Molina who told the press he was upset about the club bringing up a hot, young catching prospect?
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I seem them both as line drive, high OBP catchers with athleticism behind the plate. While Posey projects to have more power than Kendall, I think you might be expecting too much in the HR department from him.
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I heard a rumor that the Giants were interested in Ivan Rodriguez
that wouldn’t be bad except that I have a feeling that Bochy would play him for 160 games and give Eli 2 starts
Grab Some Pine Meat!
pff
you act like that would stop Bochy
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--Daisy Owl
For what, running their senior center? IRod would expect to play every day and can’t…and not known for mentoring, so not much help for the young Buster….it is just so frustrating that there aren’t good choices, but we need to see Posey busting down the PCL fences and hitting for average until at least June before we accept his readiness….he certainly was overmatched at the big league level in September. Say what you want about Molina’s weak offensive stats in 09, but what if Posey is just a hole in the lineup, even if we get Holliday we will be in trouble, and it could ruin the kid. As much as I like his talent, many kids have lost their confidence coming up too soon, having it never return. The Giants theory, starting before Sabean, and he has adhered to it, is that they want to see the kids dominating at the lower level before they come up. It has often worked, except when there wasn’t really enough talent to begin with. On the other hand, Bocock and Burris will probably never get it. The Giants probably ruined Bocock by putting that much pressure on him before he had played AAA.
he certainly was overmatched at the big league level in September
17 at-bats!
The Giants probably ruined Bocock by putting that much pressure on him before he had played AAA.
I’m beginning to doubt your baseball knowledge.
Bengie Molina was already a hole in the line-up and the club won 88 games. Bocock never hit, at any level. There was never any indication that he would. I have no idea what point you’re trying to make.
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If Posey is going to be in the majors, then he has to be playing everyday. Sitting him on the bench would be a stupid move that only the Giants could possibly make. However, I can’t help but feel that Posey isn’t ready to be the everyday guy, and a few months more of AAA isn’t the worst of ideas. Sign someone like Pudge and then when he’s sucking after a few months and Buster’s kicking ass in Fresno, then you recall him and play him every day. And without a doubt, do NOT bring back Bengie for any reason!
by crazedcrustacean on Nov 13, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions
Sign someone like Pudge and then when he’s sucking after a few months
Then what the hell is wrong with Buster sucking a few months while learning from Major League pitching and saving us the money that we would use to sign someone like Pudge?
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by scout6 on Nov 13, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And if they really don’t like the way that Posey is calling games, why, it sure is unfortunate that we don’t have anybody in the dugout, anybody at all, among all of our coaches and managers and batboys and janitors, anybody, not one among them, who has any experience being a catcher and could potentially signal the calls into Posey from said dugout.
Shame we don’t have anybody like that on staff. Anywhere.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
I hope
he forgets the left turn at Albuquerque on the way to ST.
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The music in those cartoons is pretty fantastic.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Raymond Scott FTW!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
I expect a gega meltdown here is Gerald isn’t starting in the beginning of the year. Something like last years situation when Steve Holm began the season in AAA.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 13, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions
Why is my laptop screen melting now?
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Oh God. Eww
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 14, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
*mega
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 13, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
When I read that, I started to think every post that guy did was sarchasm. Now it’s Vlad??
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Yeah, I prefer buster to gerald. Is buster his middle name or nickname though, I’m not sure?
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by raisingcain on Nov 14, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Gerald’s folks for instance.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
My uncle Gerry’s full name was…. you guessed it, Gerald.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 14, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 14, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
"Kirk Rueter on peyote."
can’t stop laughing. simply magnificent.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 13, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions
Even if you don't want Bengie back. . .
. . .you gotta offer him arbitration. If he accepts, you’ve got him for just the one year as you transition to Posey. If he declines – the most likely scenario – you get a supplemental and a 2nd round (probably from the Mets) pick.
by betterthanbochy on Nov 13, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions
if hes offered arbitration, his market significantly decreases. Hopefully a NY team won’t care about the picks in signing a Type A catcher
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by Classy_Argonaut on Nov 14, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Facebook folk are soooo clever
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That’s HIGH praise!
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When you look up pothead in the dictionary, there’s a picture of a guy who looks just like Tim!!
Oh, and I think he blew his Cy Young chances in Sept/Oct when he went 2-3 and his ERA got blasted. Still a great season though and I hope we can keep him for a long time.
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His ERA did NOT get blasted.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Though it was pretty HIGH
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 14, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Our run of jokes was better
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
And even there was one, ours would win it without much trouble.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
LOL good one djp4cal
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
The Giros?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 13, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Probably meant to right Gyros, which is a lame nickname for the Giants.
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ARGH
“write” not “right”
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oh ok
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 13, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
What? I dont understand what you are saying?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 13, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Molina is needed
Anyone who has studied the game knows that a rookie catcher breaking in and taking the position full-time is rarely successful. Most young catchers get two full Septembers before they are full-time, add to that the fact that Posey wasn’t a catcher until late in college, and you create an extraordinarily high level of stress on him to perform up to his clippings as a rookie. With proper nurturing, I have little doubt of his eventual stardom. He has Johnny Bench TYPE talent (not saying he is another Bench, but has that range of talent-big hands, strong arm, hit for power and probably better average than Bench). He has the ability to play defense because of soft hands, etc., but time will tell. Molina brings the 1st choice of team that signs as well as sandwich pick if offered arb…I think he will resign 1 yr. w/ 2 options.
Can we bring him out of retirement? At the age of 61, I’m sure he’s still faster than Molina
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
close race
Bench has trouble with his knees…something to do with squatting all those years….but you could time their 40 with a sundial…and Benjie would win if anyone lived long enough to stay for the whole “race.”
He knows more about baseball than you, remember
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Just think. In 25 years, you could play for a Brian Sabean team.
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Your OPS is under .300?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
You know who else is rarely successful?
Bengie Molina. Last year, he made an out more than 70% of the time he walked up to the plate.
That’s awful. Pass.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Buster has big hands?
ooohhh la la…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Well apparently Johnny Bench could hold like 6 baseballs in his hands so…
/stops jokes subthread
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McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
GET IT DONE 49ER BRAZZ
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
/sees what you did there
/writes barely literate and nonsensical scribe of why Hill>Smith
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Big Hands?
I never said Posey had big hands like Bench, but he does have soft hands defensively and they aren’t small….I remember one catcher who had major skills, but small hands and he had trouble hanging on to pitches…can’t remember who it was….didn’t last long as a result, but decent hitter….
He has Johnny Bench TYPE talent (not saying he is another Bench, but has that range of talent-big hands
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Big hands, I know you’re the one…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 13, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Please do...
…go on.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 13, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
when buster's walkin
he struts his stuff, and he’s soooo stung out
timmys high as a kite, and he just might, stop to check you out
Give -peace- Ryan Garko a chance.
You know what they say about big hands...
Big batting gloves
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 14, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
This explains a lot
Sabean: Hey Boch, we’re bringing up Posey…this kid has Bench-type talent!
Bochy: Then that’s exactly where he’s gonna stay!
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by Goofus on Nov 13, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Lol a 1 yr w/ 2 options? Really, how often to players sign one year deals with two options. I don’t see any team in baseball giving molina a contract where he potentially could play for three more years. I think anyone that has studied the game should know that a three year contract to a 35 year old catcher is bad idea.
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
Hey, this guy knows more about baseball than you
he said so in his epic reply fail above
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Oh fuck you’re right. I retract my statement
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
People have told him he knows more about baseball than anyone they know…but what do they know?
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what does he of baseball know who only baseball knows?
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
I'm beginning to think CplaneLawr is a infiltrator funded by the Dodgers.
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"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
Continuing comment on Molina
I believe that there are no teams willing to give Molina a multi-year deal in exchange for a draft pick in next year’s draft. Why? Name a good team that needs Molina that much…
and teams that are rebuilding aren’t going to sign an old slow catcher for 2-3 years. Loss of 1st round pick is the Giants’ great leverage with Molina because there are greater values placed on draft picks than a few years ago and the scouting is better so there are fewer busts, adding to the premium. The only way some high end team signs him is AL to share catching and DH duties. Come on, what NL team touches him? St. Louis? Philly? LA? NY? Florida? OK, maybe Colorado to replace Yorvit…who the Giants could get back cheaper, probably….pretty damned sure that he will be back-and happy about it. I want him in the organization long term as a coach…he gets along with everybody, is always helping others and has the tools to manage.
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the Mets are kinda dumb, and they throw around money.
I could see Molina getting more than two years. Even though he’s not a good hitter, he’s almost a league average hitter for a catcher. Tack on a veneer of HRs, dingers and even a more or less deserved reputation for clutchiness and someone will likely overpay for him.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Please stop using that word.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt he will come back cheap, he has said he wants a raise
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
no
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The Mets
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 14, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Correct ResDog
Ah, but a very rare commodity…best catcher of all time, bar none.
Come on, holds season record for fewest passed balls-0
Never even tied by catcher w/ 100 games or more…and he did it at least twice….worked with marginal staff to produce all those top teams, could hold 6 or 7 baseballs in one hand…try 3 for starters…that’s it for most normal sized people (maybe Shaq or someone that big can match), was great RBI man and very good hitter, as well as strong power hitter…not much else you can say. Piazza was probably best offensive catcher overall, but defense can’t be mentioned in same breath….as great as Munson, Fisk, Simmons, et. al. were, Bill Dickey MIGHT be in the conversation, but I don’t think so…Berra was surrounded with even more talent than Bench and didn’t have the overall numbers. Boone was the best defensive I ever saw, but his offense was just average although a pretty good clutch hitter and RBI/hits was good.
Stop posting replies without the reply button
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WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
LEGO ROCK BAND!!!!!??!
GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 13, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions
not only that, but what purpose do the coaches serve if they’re not there to help? They can call the pitches for the catcher if they think he’s calling the wrong pitches in certain situations. Plus I believe the pitchers’ on the staff have working brains, too. They’re allowed to shake their heads from side to side signifying "no" if they don’t like what pitch Posey has called.
/rxmeister
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON ANYMORE
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I’m a 60 year-old baseball genius (or so throngs of people tell me), though I prefer to hang out on message boards with people who make Star Wars and dick jokes. Also, when I reply incorrectly (which is always), it reads like I am Harry Carry. I have a poster of Johnny Bench in my basement.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 13, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
lol
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 16, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
I lol’d
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 16, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Is that Sherm Lollar
He was about the same speed as Bengie….a decent catcher, but couldn’t hold Bengie’s jock
"Secret Two-Pronged Plan"
Silly boy! Don’t you know that anybody can go on the internet and read this? Even enemy spies!!!
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
Apparently Cplanelawr and me are the only ones who think it’s ill advised to bring up a catcher with a whopping 125 games of professional experience. So be it.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2009 5:09 PM PST reply actions
You’re also the only ones who have 7392 years of major league scouting experience and have been called “the greatest baseball geniuses of this generation” by every player, executive, and coach in MLB. So the joke’s on you!
At least we’re not Warrior fans.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh…
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I’m not the one who brought up the subject of jokes.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
Somebody on GSOM said “We’re so good when CJ gets minutes.” I LOLed.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
C JEEZY IN THE HIZOUSE RAINING BUCKETS
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LOL
ouch that’s bad… but funny
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lol good one johnny disaster lol
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Hey
They beat the one win NY Knicks.
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For the record, I’m not 100% sold on the idea of him starting the season in the majors.
I’d be okay with something similar to what the Orioles did with Zaun and Wieters last year.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I’d probably wait at least a month longer than the Orioles did last year, but yeah.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'm fine with him starting the season in AAA
As long as he’s up as soon as he gets an extra year before free agency. That useless September call-up screwed everything.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Same, I think. But also as long as our major league option is not Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You’ll be both and like it.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
You’ll get both and like it.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
What would the unholy combination of Eli Whiteside and Bengie Molina look like??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
hilarity.
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--Daisy Owl
Richard?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Needs moar Voidoids.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 14, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
me too
unfortunately, I can’t remember the last time the Ginats had an actual MLB backup catcher. At least, one not penciled in to start every day.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
T-O-R-R-E-A-L-B-A
i said it before, and i’ll say it again.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
/smelt it?
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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by bondslegend on Nov 13, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Oh my.
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And we should all forget that “career high” wasn’t very good and not worth whatever money Sabean pays him?
Or that although he had a career high in home runs, he’s had better seasons?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I love when people respond to these idiots with serious answers
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by bondslegend on Nov 13, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
It's how I am...
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lol I know
I have many friends who are similar. I sometimes say something outlandish just to get a reaction muahahahahah.
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by bondslegend on Nov 14, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
You? Really?
Woulda never seen that buddy….
hahah
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 13, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
it was the weed, dude
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 14, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Does anyone else still read the dugout?
by Lisa Stevens on Nov 15, 2009 2:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t care how bad he might play for the first two months, Buster needs to start and needs to be the number one catcher next year. You can’t just keep holding out saying that he isn’t ready and expect him to adjust to playing in the Majors without actually playing in the majors.
There’s going to be pressure on him due to his reputation as a hitter, but as he is playing catcher, a position not exactly re-known for hitters, even if he does start slow it isn’t the worst thing in the world. It’s not like Eli Whiteside can hit any better.
It’s my birthday today, and I have it on good authority that Sabean will be announcing Cain for Fielder today, “to show some love for Dave in Cupertino.”
Yeah, he actually said that. I was on seven different hallucinogenic drugs, but that makes no difference. Dock Ellis threw a no-hitter on LSD. Therefore, I’m right.
Oh, and we’re definitely re-signing Molina, which in birthday terms is like having the biggest and hugest box out of all of the gifts you got this year end up being full of packing peanuts and one pair of tighty-whities.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 14, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Grant your posts are what differentiates McCovey Chronicles from other SB Nation sites. Keep up the good work.
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Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Two scoops!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
There is a special place in my heart for people who think experience is irrelevant. No, not every catcher with years of major league experience know how to call a good game or how to handle a pitching staff, but to assume people with little experience can do so because the knowledge learned through years of play means little or nothing flies in the face of real life and shows a disdain for reality. Yes, there are rookies who can do these things better than some veterans, and I hope Posey is one of those extraordinary people. I haven’t yet seen the evidence that he is.
Catching is arguably the second most important defensive position on the field, just because of skills like this, so to dismiss them as a consideration of what should be the strategy for who plays the position next year is fine for writing pithy internet posts but not for actual decision making in baseball.
Personally, I’d love to see Molina back on a short term basis, while Posey continues to learn in Fresno. I don’t think that will happen because I believe Bengie is bound for some other team who will pay him more and for more years. The Giants shouldn’t pay what Molina will likely get, and Bengie shouldn’t take what the Giants will likely offer. That means it makes sense to let Molina leave. However, what astounds me is to see those who don’t appreciate what Molina has done for the Giants as their everyday catcher based mostly on his being miscasts as a fourth place hitter. He is old, he is slow, and he walks too few times, but he also is a better offensive catcher than most in the league and a sound defender who has helped in the development of a very young and very talented pitching staff. I for one will remember his time here as a plus for the Giants.
he also is a better offensive catcher than most in the league
This just isn’t true. Molina was one of the worst offensive players in all of baseball regardless of position.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 14, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
You know what else has helped in the development of the so-called "very young" and very talented pitching staff?
1. Time
2. Good home ballpark for suppressing home runs.
3. Outstanding outfield defense.
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he also is a better offensive catcher than most in the league
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How many other catchers in the league hit 20 home runs? I call that offense.
baetown, yes, all those things helped as well. Just don’t ignore the catcher who was a part of it.,
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 14, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Homers are the only redeeming aspect about Bengie Molina’s offense. Unfortunately, every other part of it is terrible, which outnumber that one.
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It’s hard to pinpoint what exactly Molina did to help bring the staff a long…
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
You’re right, it is hard to pinpoint and/or quantify the effects of mentoring. That doesn’t mean they’re non existent or unimportant.
Having said that, I’m not excited to have Bengie back next year… his defense is not impressive and his offensive production certainly doesn’t make up for it.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 14, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
6 other catchers hit at least 20 HR last year and all of them were better overall than Bengie.
The worst catcher to his 20 HR last year (other than Bengie) was Miguel Olivo and he still managed a .334 wOBA.
There just wasn’t really anything at all to Bengie offensive game last year other than the home runs.
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So if you ignore everything but one aspect of his game, he’s pretty good.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Did you even click that link and look at that chart that jponry provided? Continuing to argue that Bengie is one of the top offensive catchers in the league makes me think you didn’t.
I don’t discount Bengie and even wrote a glowing praise earlier in the season about him being the heart and soul of the team, BUT when you have a kid in the wings who may not be quite polished but could reasonably be expected to match Molina’s overall offensive output while being essentially free, it makes no sense to spend millions on Molina when there are so many other areas that could use an upgrade.
Said another way, Posey + Holliday > Molina + Dye
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I like the way you think!! There is, however, one flaw….we still need a second catcher….and while Whiteside did a good job, he cannot hit and Posey is not ready to catch 145 games. Posey and Holliday….I like that idea, but none of the other free agent catchers compares in quality and intangibles to Bengie….also, remember that the Giants have tremendous leverage in signing Bengie which rarely occurs with free agents. The high end teams are not likely to be interested because they already have better catchers and the low end teams either can’t afford him or are not going to be willing to lose their first round pick. I don’t think anyone will offer him 3 years, and even two guaranteed is not likely, so I think the Giants offer him arbitration and sign him to a one-year with an option. Torrealba might be an ok choice because the Giants can probably get him cheaply enough and sign him for 3 years, even though he would be a backup for 2, every playoff team has a capable backup catcher because if your catcher gets hurt and you don’t, you are in deep s…
Molina is not a good catcher
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 15, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
you are wrong
because your expertise has not been validated by vast throngs (vasthrongs?) of baseball insiders.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 15, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t yet seen the evidence that he is.
Speaking of evidence, what evidence do you have that Molina had any positive influence on the development of the young pitchers?
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Or on the development of young catchers? Remember him whining about people thinking Posey should get PT?
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here is a special place in my heart for people who think experience is irrelevant.
I don’t think that’s what Grant was saying at all.
Molina was a very good Giant. I appreciate what he did while he was here very much. He’s a pretty bad player now, though. He can’t hit and his glove has become a major liability. For a guy who says that catcher is the second most important defensive position on the field, it’s kind of horrifying that you’d want Molina back in any capacity.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
There is a special place in my heart for people who think experience is irrelevant. No, not every catcher with years of major league experience know how to call a good game or how to handle a pitching staff, but to assume people with little experience can do so because the knowledge learned through years of play means little or nothing flies in the face of real life and shows a disdain for reality.
I don’t believe there is a measurable difference between the very best pitch-caller in baseball and the worst pitch-caller in baseball. So, yeah, I guess that I think pitch-calling experience is irrelevant.
If there were such a huge difference between the best catchers and the inexperienced catchers, why doesn’t ever consistently show up in team’s runs allowed total? It didn’t with Mike Piazza and his defense-first backups, it didn’t with golden boys like Mike Matheny when compared to their backups, and I have no reason that it will make a different to move from Molina to Posey. Actually, the ERAs for Piazza-caught pitchers were often much lower than those caught by his backups.
Catching is arguably the second most important defensive position on the field, just because of skills like this
I would agree to this if teams had to pick from a small pool of options that included Molina and, oh, me. I’d be the worst defensive catcher in the history of the game; I’d probably be scared of a Tim Lincecum fastball, and while I know I can throw it to second on a line, I’d throw it into center half the time. But the pool of options for catchers are professional catchers who have performed well enough to continue to be professional catchers. The difference between the worst and best from that same pool isn’t going to make or break a team’s total of runs allowed.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 15, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Grant, your eloquence knows no bounds.
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the pool of options for catchers are professional catchers who have performed well enough to continue to be professional catchers.
Applying this to Posey… would you agree that less than one season of experience is a pretty small sample to make the judgment that he belongs to the fungible professional catcher corps?
My main objection to bringing Posey up so quickly has less to do whether he can play at the major league level and everything to do with my belief that the Major Leagues are not the ideal place for an inexperienced player to learn a position.
On a related note – is ERA the best measure to use when comparing the effectiveness of catchers? I don’t know… but then there’s a lot I don’t know. I’d be interested to read your source for claiming the catcher makes no difference in the effectiveness of the pitcher though. Is this something that has been exhaustively studied?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 15, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
ERA should work for judging their effect on calling a game, but it doesn’t. It’s been pretty exhaustively studied, and while there are a few that still believe in it, most do not.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
On a related note – is ERA the best measure to use when comparing the effectiveness of catchers?
I’m not a big stats guy, but I’d think that handling pitchers would have a direct effect on runs allowed if there were a measurable difference between catchers. There’s no reason why it shouldn’t if there’s a difference.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 16, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Ah but
You also would have to do a bunch of fielding and park adjustments.
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Well if there are superior game traits that a traceable with current data then in theory wouldn’t most pitchers either get more puts on less pitches or more outs with less non outs the longer they work with a given Cather?
/ shrugs
Either way am not so sure it is measurable any time soon but at least it has better chance of being measured then finding iron clad mathematical definition of clutch hitting’s existence.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
I do agree that finding a correlation between the catcher and a pitcher’s performance should happen before the detection of clutchiness.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I’m talking about for catchers on the same team. Molina and Whiteside played most of their games at the same parks with the same fielders. Kind of. Close enough to where if Whiteside was a game-calling savant, you should be able to tell by differences in run prevention.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 16, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Are you guys debating the reliability of CERA? I don’t think it is worth the hassle. Too many variables can impact that stat. Also, when using it to compare a backup to a starter, it has obvious sample size issues.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 16, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
FIELD GENERAL OR BACKSTOP?
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You know, it’s Saturday and I’ve already started drinking, but here goes:
I won’t mind if Buster starts 2010 in the minors. Ideally, we’d have an acceptable place holder in the bigs, but one who could be shuffled aside quickly if need be. I realize that may not be realistic with Sabean in charge.
We only have one year of data on Posey. His MLEs for 2009 are pretty good, but it’s still a fairly limited sample size. So I wouldn’t be too upset if he spent part of the next year in the minors, giving us a little bit more evidence before we decide whether he’s ready for the major leagues.
That said, I’d hate to see him sit in the minors if the only reason is that some mediocrity is occupying the catcher spot in SF.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Doumit being a Giant. He has a good year two years ago. His OBP has been higher than Molina’s except for last year. It means that Molina won’t be back.
I don’t understand why the Giants and Pirates always make trades. Maybe it’s because the Giants seem to always lose to the Pirates and therefore think their players are good. They should start trading with better teams like say the Rays or Marlins.
I think signing Mark DeRosa would be a good thing too.
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I think I've figured it out
He has been a baseball "insider" having interned with the Mariners, represented a player, and having had 20 good friends who played, including All-Stars. He has scouted and has had a passion for baseball for about 50 years. He has had two players tell him that they never met anyone that knew as much about all aspects of the game. The players he has known paid him high complements about his knowledge. Anyone who has studied the game should know, he is the world’s most interesting McCoven.
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by Goofus on Nov 15, 2009 6:29 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I always did like Dos Equis…but like I said, there are plenty who know more than I do, but all I was establishing was my background and that I have been honored to be told that about my knowledge. Obviously I came off as pompous…when I re-read my own post I was painfully aware of that….but hopefully this is all in good fun and I appreciate the your posting
Hey man…. don’t worry about the ribbing. There is a ton of information to be gleaned from this site, but you have to be careful about pissing off the cool kids in the MCC clique. They are wary of new people and can be merciless and unrelenting. If you get your feelings hurt easily this probably isn’t the place to post. But If you can take some harassment, then please hang out and be yourself. For what its worth, I am happy to see a new and informed person on the forum.
No one here gets out alive.
Wary of new people?
I don’t know about most people here, but I’m only wary of new people who stomp in here and try to grab attention.
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by baetown415 on Nov 15, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
If someone who has been posting on this sight for a while, whom I respect, makes a proposal with which I disagree, I will not be rude to them. I will do my research, make a case against them, and respectfully disagree. Its when people come in here and their very first posts is a Fanposts of which we have a million because they have no idea what they are talking aabout and couldnt even take the time to look around, that is when I will be rude.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
THIS
and I am sick of people taking that attitude the wrong way. The problem isn’t “new” people, the problem is people who don’t respect the place and respect that others have been here longer and that, yes, they might know something too. Obviously I’m not referring to myself here (I don’t know shit about baseball), but that’s not the point.
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by bondslegend on Nov 16, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly. I have no problem with new people – we’ve gotten a ton of great new people in the last year or so and they’ve become valuable members of the community.
Most of them did not stomp in here, make a redundant/pointless fanpost right off the bat and expect to be patted on the back for it. This isn’t set up exactly like a “blog”, but it’s not quite a message board either. And I feel like a lot of n00bs come on and treat it like one, but it doesn’t quite work.
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Yea, after being here for only 4 or 5 months, i’ve kinda realized that yea there are some new people that contribute better than i have my entire time here. Plus, yea when i first came on here, i didn’t really make it a point i was here, i just calmly said what i thought, and slowly post more and more. But yea dude, like i gots no problems with new people at all, since we were all there one time
I was never a noob
I started posting here when it was still in Grant’s womb.
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by bondslegend on Nov 15, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Nom'd
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by Zetsuboushita on Nov 16, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
SNF
it’s blond skank time!
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 15, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s see, party Thursday night watching the niners, party friday, party saturday, now i feel relaxed, so i’ll be around more tomorrow and through the week
Are you drunk?
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From reading that post, I would guess no. I was on the site when he was drunk.
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When will part 2 be unveiled?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 5:41 PM PST reply actions
When the world is ready for that particular brand of genius.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 15, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Particular brand of whatnow?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
BTW
I posted a fanshot with the 2010 CHONE projections and just realized that you might’ve wanted to put a front-page post together using those projections. Sorry about that
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by bondslegend on Nov 16, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
NOT READY YET
NOT A LEADER
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by bondslegend on Nov 16, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
I'm gonna miss Fat Panda
/wipes teary eyes
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Fanshot
Oh, wait, there already is one…
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 16, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
He might need a new nickname!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 16, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Because top catching prospect Buster Posey arrived in the majors this September — a little more than one year after signing with the Giants — it’s unlikely that the club will offer a multiyear contract to incumbent/free agent Bengie Molina.
General manager Brian Sabean acknowledged during the general managers’ meetings last week that there’s a good chance Molina won’t be back if another team makes him a multiyear offer.
While Posey is very highly regarded, the potential departure of Molina could hurt the Giants in the near term. Not only did he handle the pitching staff well, but Molina hit 20 home runs and drove in 80 RBIs. He was the cleanup hitter for most of the year, too.
There is another issue as well: Posey is not ready to catch in the majors, according to a scout who has watched him in the Arizona Fall League.
“He needs to play (in the minors),” the scout said. "He doesn’t throw real well. And he has trouble catching velocity. If he has to catch (Matt) Cain or (Tim) Lincecum or Brian Wilson in the ninth, he’ll struggle.
“A lot of it’s reflexes. He hasn’t caught (hard throwers) enough. He will be able to catch ‘em. He’s a good enough athlete. His hands are good enough. He just needs to see it.”
I don’t get it. If Posey needs practice in handling velocity, why does he need to stick it out in the minors? Who’s he going to catch there that has comparable heaters to the three guys mentioned?
Also, fatigue. If the scout only saw Posey during the AFL, then his perception may be clouded because Buster (by most accounts, including mine) really does look worn down at this point.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Perspective
Buster Posey was hitting .219 in the AFL a couple of days ago — and still had a higher OPS than Bengie Molina had at the end of July.
I think the scout who doesn’t think Buster can catch speed is on speed. Buster didn’t have any problem catching Madison Bumgarner at 91-93 topping out at 94 in Mad Bum’s San Jose debut. And Mad Bum is tough to pick up.
I believe I read that Buster threw out 45% of the guys who attempted to steal on his last season, and the two throws I saw him make with the Giants were so close to perfect that I couldn’t believe it.
Buster is also quite athletic behind the dish. IMO he’s the real deal and is plenty ready enough right now.
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