Favorite Non Giant
by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 13, 2009 12:03 AM PST
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PrintAfter reading about all the love for Curtis Granderson, I thought I would check in and see who everybody's favorite Non-Giant player is. Who knows, maybe you think the Giants have a chance of obtaining him this offseason?
We are all settling in for the long-haul from now until Spring Training, so good luck with whatever it is your guys do other than blog!
I'll start us off: Derek Jeter. Hardest working, and most determined athlete to play in my lifetime. I love watching him give everything he has for his team. I wish Bonds had been given that gene in his Baseball phenotype.
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DEREK JETER
He’s Captain Clutch, and he’s Mr. World Championship and he does all those things that don’t show up in the boxscore. I bet you that every homerun that was hit by the Yankees in the post season was hit because they were inspired by Derek Jeter. Seriously, why would you like a guy who makes that much money and is so overrated?? Fuck him.
And while I’m being grumpy, didn’t we do this same category recently? You want to know who my favorite non-Giants are? Anyone that fucks up when they’re playing the Giants and cause the Giants to win the game.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
GREATEST SS EVAR!!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
As long as we’re being grumpy about it….
I love watching him give everything he has for his team. I wish Bonds had been given that gene in his Baseball phenotype.
You’ve got to be fucking kidding me, right? I’m sure Derek Jeter is one of the harder workers out there in baseball (look at the season he just had at his age, after he had been declining, for instance). I’m also sure Derek Jeter doesn’t work half as hard as Bonds did. Barry Bonds was, hands down, the hardest working player in baseball, so frankly, piss off.
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
Cool beans. How many writers, baseball players, or baseball scholars agree with you? Probably none (in that Bonds is a harder-worker/more dedicated player than Derek Jeter).
I love Barry Bonds. I think he is one of the best players of all time. But he didnt put in the same effort play in and play out that Derek Jeter did. You are a completely off-base.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 13, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
You can’t be telling us visible effort trump results in a career that spanned 3 decades? It’s pretty simple, no one lasts that long at anything without a ton of effort.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
his offseason regimen was truly nuts. Even before the . . . unpleasantness.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I enjoy it. But I dont actually watch that much television to be honest.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 14, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
CHRONICLE LIVE
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, you should try looking up stories about how hard Bonds works. There are some out there. While sportswriters might hate Bonds, and get some sick joy out of trying to bring him down, you won’t find a single sportswriter that will deny Bonds worked hard. Bonds offseason workout is the most grueling thing you’ll find – other players like Sheffield have tried to work out with him and simply couldn’t work that hard and stopped. You’re 100% wrong on this one. Sportswriters loving Jeter and hating Bonds because they’re small people does not change nor reflect their work ethic.
by Missing Barry on Nov 15, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Ichiro is probably my favorite non Giant. His offensive attack is deadly and the numbers he has put up are amazing.
Love to see him unleash BB’s from RF also.
Doesn't he start loosening up about six hours before a game?
Is there anyone in baseball – now, or ever – as dedicated to being ready to play his best?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Nov 13, 2009 1:26 AM PST up reply actions
I belong in this line.
This last season I also enjoyed watching Franklin Gutierrez way more then I ever imagined I would.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Suzuki Ichiro
Chase Utley
Grady Sizemore
Hanley Ramirez
CC Sabathia
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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This minus CC plus Mauer
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
Oh
and Roy Halladay
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Jon Lester & Suzuki Ichiro
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 13, 2009 12:35 AM PST reply actions
Doc
And for some reason, I always had to have Jose Reyes on my video game baseball teams (back when I still played video games).
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
lol Jeter
Ichiro
Adrian Gonzalez (also in this category: Yovani Gallardo, Joakim Soria, Freddy Sandoval, Matt Garza, etc.—good young Mexican or Mexican American players. We haven’t had any since Fernando Valenzuela. I guess you could count Vinny Castilla at some point)
Prince Fielder (makes me an unpopular poster around here)
Roy Halladay
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 13, 2009 1:44 AM PST reply actions
Is Fielder unpopular here?
I like him fine. I just don’t like trading CANE 4 him.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
He leveled Todd Greene a few years ago at a play at the plate and the hit caused some anti-Prince sentiment here.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 13, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
I imagine most people have forgotten that Todd Greene was ever a Giant.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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NEVER FORGET!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Where am I now?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Wait..did you really just compare Bonds unfavorably to Jeter?
…
wow.
I am not knocking Jeter. He is definitely a great player (with the benefit of having been a Yankee his entire career which in my mind boosts all his stats) but he is, in my mind, a lower end Hall Of Famer. On the other hand, you have Bonds who doesn’t really need any explaining.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 13, 2009 1:45 AM PST reply actions
When did Bonds not give everything for his team? The guy was the hardest working athlete in the league
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 6:26 AM PST up reply actions
Even Barry’s worst enemies always praised his work ethic. They just said that he worked very hard at being an asshole, too.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
This sub thread kind of reminds me of the "knock" on BLB not running every grounder out hard. That trait went against what I was raised to go do in the game as well but let us face it- Willie Mays is right on this point. When you are that much better then rest your team needs you there and healthy for every PA it can get in 150+ games more than it needs you gimpy or sitting for 30-40 of those game.
In fact I wish someone in the front office would records Mays spiel on that topic in MPEG form and make sure it is on Panda’s IPOD several times. Maybe even make him go to sleep hearing it.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
"lower end HOFer"?
I agree about Bonds, but Jeter is a “lower end Hall of Famer”? I mean, I guess he’s overrated somewhat by virtue of being a Yankee, but he plays shortstop and has a career wOBA of .375 over 15 seasons. Assuming he plays two more seasons he’ll join Honus Wagner as the only SS to have 3000 hits. He’s played for five WS winners (HOF voters care about this) and has a career post-season wOBA of .377 (for him, the sample size is actually large enough to mean something). He’s not in any way, shape, or form a borderline HOF candidate. That’s taking Yankee hate to a delusional level.
Are you talking in terms of how good Jeter is, or how much of a HoF lock he is, because those are obviously two seperate issues. While Jeter is certainly a great offensive SS, one of the best in history, you could also make the case he’s the worst defensive SS of all time – that is, if you added up his defensive value over his career, it would be the most negative value of any SS ever. That does take away quite a bit from his offensive performance. Jeter has more productive seasons left, but he’s been in the league a while, and by one measure, he’s been the 93rd most valuable player in baseball history to date. Behind McGwire, Manny, Garry Sheffield, Kenny Lofton, Thome, Palmeiro, Biggio, Pudge, Jim Edmonds, Larry Walker among others, and less than halfway to Honus Wagner…
Of course he’ll pass all those guys I listed since those were the recent players closest to him that were above him (I started at him and just went up listening recent players as I came across them). I don’t really know what side of the argument I’m on, just trying to inject some facts…
Also, I’m not sure if his postseason performance is meaningful at all. It looks to me like it’s been the same as his regular season performance, and while we should expect it to go down because of higher competition, I’m not sure if the difference is large enough to say he’s performed any better in the postseason than we would expect, given his talent level…
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
93rd most valuable position player, that is.
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
you could also make the case he’s the worst defensive SS of all time – that is, if you added up his defensive value over his career, it would be the most negative value of any SS ever.
This seems like an extreme position and also extremely unlikely. Since 2002, the earliest year for which UZR is available, he’s been a cumulative 33 runs below average with the glove. No one’s ever been four runs below average at SS for his whole career? And that’s omitting his younger years, when it seems at least plausible that he may have been better defensively.
Undoubtedly the defense subtracts something from his value, but if you subtract the four runs from his average 26 RAA with the bat over his career, he’s still been roughly a five-win (WAR) player per season over a long career, with at least three seasons (1999, 2006, 2009) sprinkled in where he was one of the top 10 players in the game.
Are you talking in terms of how good Jeter is, or how much of a HoF lock he is,
Well, he’s obviously a lock, but he’s also pretty clearly in the conversation for greatest SS of all time — even allowing for the mediocre defense.
You may think it’s extreme, but it really isn’t that unreasonable a position. The Fielding Bible lays out a pretty good case for Jeter as the worst defensive SS of all time in one of their annuals, and these are some pretty knowledgeable people (Bill James was the author of the article, I believe)…
by Missing Barry on Nov 15, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
jeter, compared to regular baseball players, is great
when you compare him to guys like roberto clemnter, ted williams, babe ruth, etc…?
High end: Bonds, Ruth, Mays, Mantle. The best players ever. Players that would undoubtedly be viewed as the best, if not one of the very best during their era. Not dependent on position.
Low end: great players who had long careers but you could pretty easily find players at their position most years that you would rather have. I think Jeter fits that perfectly. Since he started he has always been a very good shortstop, but never would I have chosen him first overall, or even as the first shortstop I’d take. He’s not even the best shortstop on his team. Hall of fame space fillers that aren’t particularly remarkable.
Of course this is my opinion only. I just am not impressed with Jeter and never have been. I think his reputation is much greater than his actual skill set. Had he been on any team other than the Yankees for this entire time, I highly doubt he would be considered a potential HOFer or all the other platitudes he gets.
Oh..and for the middle guys in the HOF. That is where I put guys like Nolan Ryan. Great players that really shine but definitely not best ever quality but also not in because they had long careers. These are guys that are in because they stand out in some way that makes them unique. Eckersley is another example.
3000 hits =/= a HOFer. 3000 = a player who had a ton of at bats.
I don’t think a players position matters in terms of being HOFer. If Jeter were an OF, I really doubt he would be considered a HOFer, but because he plays SS where typically a team puts the worst hitter, he is awesome! JETER!!! WOOOO! YANKEES!!! Bleh. It’s all subjective. Clearly he is one of the most famous players ever. Because of that, he is a HOFer. I wouldn’t vote for him, though. I’d be much more strict about who gets in, in general.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 14, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you.
Craig Biggio is similar case. Really good player for a long time but not the best ever.
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Another thing…haven’t you ever heard of Jerry Rice? You really think Jeter works harder and is more determined than Rice? What about Tiger? Okay, fine…those aren’t baseball players but you said athlete.
Bonds was a much harder worker and much more determined than Jeter, this is obvious from what they have done on the field. If Jeter worked harder and was more determined then he would be a better player, wouldn’t he? But he’s not and never will be, so he isn’t harder working or more determined. At most he is almost as hard working and determined.
Even on his own team he has a player that is much harder working and more determined and that is Arod.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 13, 2009 1:49 AM PST reply actions
“If Jeter worked harder and was more determined then he would be a better player, wouldn’t he?”
Not necessarily.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 13, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
I can see how at ease you are saying that!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
He just makes it look easy, actually.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
I mean, if it had been anybody else, we probably would have said something like Maower or Meower.
Heh… actually, I kind of like Joe Meower.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 13, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pssst, I’ve been calling him Joe Mower behind his back.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
He also does lawns!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
He’s a six-tool player!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Joe Mauer. Then Buster Posey, as he’ll probably just sit in Fresno next year.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 13, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I love watching him hit. I hate when the Giants have to pitch to him.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
I can't think of any reason
NOT to like Pujols (except that he is not a Giant).
I am not now, nor have I ever been, Lisa Stevens from Wells Fargo Bank.
Other than the fact that he’s a cocky dickhead?
by Missing Barry on Nov 15, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
I’d have to go CC #1, for being as hyphy as he is and looking like an offensive lineman on the mound, yet still being awesome. Ichiro #2, if for no other reason than his All-star rants. When Vlad was good I loved him simply because watching him hit was so ridiculous, but now we have Sandoval to take his place as baseball’s premier hacker so I guess I don’t need him anymore. Does Omar Vizquel count, now that he’s on another team? I’ve always liked Carl Crawford for some reason.
nice pick. I like Markakis
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
Bengie Molina and Randy Winn, hopefully.
More seriously, Chase Utley, Grady Sizemore and ICHIRO.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Interesting that you like Jeter
I can’t stand him, and it’s mostly because every time a pitch comes anywhere near the inside part of the plate, he does that stupid thing where he throws his torso in the opposite direction. It’s probably a smart thing to do, but it’s misleading towards the ump and it pisses me off every time i see it.
A few players I like for no specific reason…
Texiera
Ichiro
Vizquel
Smoltz
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
Verlander
Griffey Jr.
Hanley
Utley
Howard
Eli Whiteside : Catching no-no's and hitting grand slams
by BleedBlackNOrange on Nov 13, 2009 8:13 AM PST reply actions
good call on Junior. forgot about him.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 13, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Ask me again in a couple of years so I can say Matt Cain.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
I was going to say that, too, but then I realized that I needed to account for the grieving period.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
I will play selections from this CD when we lay his Giants jersey to rest. :(
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
But how can he be both? He can’t be GONE and also be he-
Oh, you mean here in our hearts.
Or, possibly with the visiting team….
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t ask me to explain irony, dammit!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Okay, I won’t ask you to.
…
…
Ummm… would you… wait, no. Can- shoot.
Uh…
Hrmm…
I would appreciate it if you would explain irony.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
In the words of the great philosopher Alanis Morissette:
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It’s a black fly in your Chardonnay
It’s a death row pardon two minutes too late
It’s like rain on your wedding day
It’s a free ride when you’ve already paid
It’s the good advice that you just didn’t take
Who would’ve thought … it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids good-bye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
‘Well isn’t this nice…’
And isn’t it ironic… don’t you think
A little too ironic… and yeah I really do think…
IT’S LIKE YEAAAAHHH YEAAAAHHHH
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Ask me again in a couple ofyearsdays so I can sayMatt CainFred Lewis.
/cries
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
/pats baetown415 awkwardly on the shoulder
Cain, Fred and Travis (class of ‘02) are the longest-tenured draft picks in the Giants organization, aren’t they? Or do we still have some from previous drafts?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
And Alex Hinshaw in 2000?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
DOH! I’ve completely forgotten about Hinshaw.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I blame the spatula hat
It makes him forgettable.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
So it turns out that technically Hinshaw was drafted in ’05?
Hinshaw was drafted by the Giants in 28th round of the 2000 First-Year Player draft, the 29th round of the 2002 draft, and by the Florida Marlins in the 25th round of the 2003 draft, but did not sign. In the 2005 draft, he was once again selected by the Giants in the 15th round and made his professional debut with the Class A Salem-Keizer Volcanoes. He finished with a 3.68 ERA in 25 relief appearances, struck out 33 batters and walked 18 in 22 innings.
Holm has seniority…for now.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
walked 18 in 22 innings.
Some things never change.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Utley, halladay, hanram, ichiro
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 13, 2009 9:12 AM PST via mobile reply actions
HANRAM BOOYA!!! WITH AUTHORITY!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Group 1
Chase Utley
Joe Mauer
Hanley Ramirez
Carl Crawford
Adrian Gonzalez
Chone Figgins
Group 2 (senior division)
Omar Vizquel
Rocco Baldelli
Magglio Ordóñez
Mike Cameron
Pudge Rodriguez
Group 3 (Dodgers I Covet Division)
Matt Kemp
James Loney
Chin-lung Hu
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
If we’re talking all-time, I’d have to say Greg Maddux, and it’s not even close. I don’t know that I’ll ever seen another pitcher like him in my lifetime.
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, and I'm not sure why
but Brian Roberts
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I don’t follow the AL real closely, so mostly NLers:
Ichiro
Josh Hamilton (it’s a drug thing)
Loney/Kemp (weird that I think of them together)
Chase Utley
Hanley Ramirez
David Wright
Jose Reyes
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Loney/Kemp (weird that I think of them together)
TWSS?
I think if David Wright and Jose Reyes together. Often.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 13, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I also think of Loney & Kemp together…
…as well as Howie (or “Howard”) Kendrick and Kendry Morales. Perhaps it’s a SoCal associative thing?
by PositionPlayerProd on Nov 14, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
It was a lewd joke about slash.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 14, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Thought it might be…
…but I actually sometimes do have to remind myself, in the case of those two LAD, which plays 1B and which plays OF — at least I did ‘til Kemp had his breakout season. And I’m still a little bit confused about the pair of Halos, particularly since I recall each playing multiple positions.
(And if we’re talking baseball slash, wouldn’t Jeter & A-Rod be the left side kings of that?)
by PositionPlayerProd on Nov 14, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
LOL Howard
It’s a very “old guy” name
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Pujols
I’m surprised that there is only one other person that has Pujols as their top player. I mean, it’s freakin Pujols.
You mean to tell me that everyone didn’t have Bonds as their favorite player when he was playing?!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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LIES! DIRTY LIES!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Nope. Believe it or not, it was Bobby Estalella then Edgardo Alfonzo and then Not Pedro Feliz and then Timmy.
AfonzLOL
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That was before I knew about things like UZR and OPS and SLG and almost every other stat.
My logic: “My third grade teacher didn’t give us homework when the Mets won because she was a Mets fan. Edgardo Alfonzo used to play for the Mets. Therefore Edgardo Alfonzo is my favorite player”.
I was 12 when he came over here, okay?
I totally understand
I think you missed my joke though.
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This, Pujols is a cocky dickhead, though obviously I respect the fact that he’s easily the best player in the game.
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Cameron
His reaction to hitting Joe Martinez endeared him to me. The dude looked wrecked.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 13, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Sign him!
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by NuschlerFace on Nov 13, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
So basically...
We like all the best players from the teams we don’t hate.
Anagram of "suck it Russell Martin" = TRUER SKILL: SCUM STAIN
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 13, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’ve been disappointed by people’s lists because it seems it’s been solely based on how good guys are. I was hoping to see a larger variety of reasons for liking players – maybe some people like a certain type of player (like a 3 true outcome guy like Cust or Dunn), or have heard things about certain players that are funny or cool or whatever…but alas, it seems it’s been completely based on really good players for other teams…
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Don't hate me Giants fans...
But I like Matt Kemp.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 13, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think most people even around here are sufficiently impressed by Matt Kemp (and a little surprised at how underrated he is, but then most analysts are fucking stupid). I actually don’t mind him. He’s talented, and his Dodgerness is kind of an unfortunate additional detail, rather than a THIS OVERRIDES EVERYTHING ELSE AND MAKES YOU AN EVIL PERSON NO MATTER WHAT like Russell Martin or Casey Blake or Eric Gagne.
You're right
about Martin, Blake and Gagne.
All 3 of those guys are douches, and it almost goes beyond the fact that they’re Dodgers.
I’d also add Lo Duca.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 15, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers have a great crop of young players (Kemp, Suck it Russell J Martin, Loney, Kershaw, Hu, etc) that are admirable ballplayers but still sons of bitches because they’re Dodgers. We’ll allow it.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 14, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Hmm
In no particular order:
Utley
Ichiro
Johan Santana (I love pitchers that make hitters look silly, why I love timmy as well)
Cliff Lee (even if he does destroy the Giants)
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Santana is amazing as well
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 13, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hanley the manly
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 13, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ever: Ken Griffey, Jr. (until he went to Cincy)
currently: Joey Votto
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 13, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions
He's not ridiculously talented
But Marco Scutaro is rad.
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Ooooooooooooo-Reeeebayyyy
maybe I just like players with chants.
Oh, and I was at the game at the Coliseum where Scutaro hit the game-winner off the foul pole off Mariano Rivera. That memory never fades. Plus he’s in that cool documentary, and his wife is hawt.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
C’mon, man. You didn’t do it right.
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There you go!
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Currently, Ichiro & Joe Nathan
and since I’m not a fan of AL baseball, following these guys is my way of knowing something about what’s happening in the AL.
My two twilight zone favorites are Randy Johnson and Vizquel… liked both of them before they became Giants… liked them as Giants… and will like them when they retire.
All-time, I really like certain pitchers from my youth… Carlton, Gibson, the Niekro brothers and of course my all-time favorite regardless of team or position, Gaylord Perry.
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C.C. Sabathia
Ryan Braun
Joe Mauer
Adrian Gonzalez
Nick Swisher
Everth Cabrera
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Jonny Gomes
Ichiro
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
Everth Cabrera can suck a fat one
for showing bunt against J. Sanchez in the 9th inning of the No Hitter.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
You know,
his hot streak in 1925 almost made Phillies fans forget Walter Holke.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
It certainly made me forget Walter Holke, I’ll tell you that right now.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
As it turns out....
Walter Holke: Not very good. Not very good at all.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Carl Crawford
Chase Utley
Andrew McCutchen
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 13, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions
yes
I saw him play in the Arizona Fall League a few years ago and was very impressed.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 14, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
favorites
Maurer
Ichiro
Carl Crawford
Adam Dunn
Derek lee
Jeter
and my favorite player when healthy Jose Reyes
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Im glad everyone wore out the Jeter bullshit on me. He is a great player.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 13, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
How did we get this far with out a Kim Batiste name drop?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
jcb has been preoccupied.
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Either Magglio Ordonez
or Andrew McCutchen.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 13, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions
Grady Sizemore
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 13, 2009 8:07 PM PST reply actions
I like speed and/or defense…
…so Ichiro was an instinctual choice.
But in taking SJT and Missing Barry’s point to heart, a few other (relatively) lower profile names came to mind —
• Nyjer Morgan
• Carlos Gonzalez (liked him when he was Oakland)
• Franklin Guitérrez
by PositionPlayerProd on Nov 14, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions
The real answer was how did we get so far without a TOMKOOOOOOO name drop.
BRETT TOMKO!!11Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
To pick a few, Manny Ramirez (temporarily being hated of course), Zach Greinke (one eephus and I’m a lifetime fan), Ichiro. If we expand to professional sports we can add pretty much every wide receiver in the NFL, I’m a big fan of divas in pro sports. Derek Jeter and Chase Utley could talk about gamerness for three hours without ever saying anything as entertaining as anything that comes out of Ochocinco’s mouth.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
I didn’t like Manny as a Red Sox and I like the Red Sox.
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I don’t like the Red Sox but I kind of like Manny…
by Missing Barry on Nov 15, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Kemp wtf you are now the most hated blogger
Don’t complement dodgers players even if they are fantastic in every way
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So you think Kemp is fantastic in every way?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
limiting this to active MLB players...
Chase Utley
Albert Pujols
Ichiro (for his all-star speech, inside-the-park-er, and hitting records)
Trevor Hoffman
Armando Benitez, Shinjo, and Sidney Ponson
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by lincecuminyourface on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions
Alright question for everyone
Why exactly did we all hate ponson so much? I just checked his stats and he actually played pretty well for us. He put up a 3.71 ERA, which was much lower than his career ERA. He did have a 3-6 record, but he suffered from Matt Cain Syndrome, must of his losses weren’t his fault. I know he’s an asshole but I don’t remember him doing asshole stuff while he was on the Giants. I don’t really remember everything because I was only 11 or 12 years old when we got him, I just remember I hated him. But looking back on it, I’m not exactly sure why
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by lincecuminyourface on Nov 15, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
He was brought in to pitch in the playoffs
He pitched very badly in the playoffs.
Also, dude’s a dick.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 17, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t hate Shinjo.
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Haha I don’t either. I just think he’s funny and most Giants fans will chuckle anytime someone drops his name
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by lincecuminyourface on Nov 15, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
OK, I did hate his hitting.
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Shinjo was the cause…
…of my ill-advised NL “designated fielder” grass roots campaign.
by PositionPlayerProd on Nov 15, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
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