Giants emerge as suitor for Damon
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by SoFa King Mike on Nov 12, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
/soils self
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by j14 on Nov 12, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s not a good idea.
But such certain reporting: the Giants “appear to have emerged”. That sounds like some good, hard information there.
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by can of corn on Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
very likely to have been confirmed at least twice by sources.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 12, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nightmare fuel.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras is Johnny Damon’s agent. Maybe this will prevent the Giants from signing him. We can only hope.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's actually reassuring
Heyman is like the biggest Boras media leak anywhere. It’s just as likely Boras just wants to create the perception of a hot market for Damon as it is there’s any actual, solid interest from the team.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are the Giants always leaked in regards to Boras clients?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/sobs
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is exactly right. Boras wants to sucker the Yankees into thinking someone else is interested. Heyman is the guy who falls for this crap every time.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Nov 12, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Believability.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be because Sabean plays everything close to the vest so Boras leaks it knowing he’ll neither deny or confirm it.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 12, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty certain that every member of the OSU girls softball team can out-throw Johnny Dangerously.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 12, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Beavers!
( Tell me the rest of you didn’t want to say that.)
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 13, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TableSetter
If Sabean can get him on a Renteria like contract they should consider. The Giants need some table setters so Sanchez can hit third and Sandoval hit cleanup. Much less than investing in Bay or Holliday.
by wilriv21 on Nov 12, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Damon doesn’t want to accept 2yrs/$20M from the Yankees, so no, a Renteria contract is not likely.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Nov 12, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he really a "table setter" when he'd clearly be the second best hitter AND power hitter on the team?
This is like when the GIants got Rowand and insisted on batting him 5th because he was a “prototypical #5 hitter.”
Granted, he turned into the prototypical #8 hitter, but, he was clearly the team’s best bat at the time (and for the entire first half of the season). Sadly, much like Rowand, a sudden calamitous decline is in the cards should Damon move to from one of the friendliest parks for LHH to one of the most hostile.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 12, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes a table setter
Would attempt to sign him with the idea of Damon hitting second, stealing about 20+ bases and scoring 100+ runs.
by wilriv21 on Nov 12, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he gets on base at a .360 clip, you can call him a ham sandwich, for all I care. He’d improve the offense, no matter where he hits.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 12, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HAM SANDWICH INDICTED
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 12, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval hit cleanup??
Have you forgotten Bengie Molina?? Bochy won’t bat him anywhere but 4th.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 12, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can they unemerge?
Get back in that closet, Giants. Don’t you be proud of who you are.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Nov 12, 2009 3:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
aw hell no
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 12, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be shocked if he’s not a Yankee again next year.
by Evan on Nov 12, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this news could not be less surprising
Blehhh!
by Giant Homer on Nov 12, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sure it could be
The San Francisco Giants, in an effort to re-bolster their impotent lineup, have once again looked to the crop of thirty-year-old free agents in the decline of their prime.
During a phone call interview, Brian Sabean, GM of the Giants, made the following comment:
“We need a steady outfielder that will bring a veteran presence to the younger players. Johnny has played for a lot of winning teams, and we look forward to him bringing that mindset to this clubhouse. At the end of the day, we needed a big bat, and seriously…Have you SEEN Fred Lewis play?”
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 12, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean then assuured Giants fan, “He’s like Dave Roberts..on steroids…wait”
Blehhh!
by Giant Homer on Nov 13, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I assuuure u I can’t spel
Blehhh!
by Giant Homer on Nov 13, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wercz fer me!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras strongly hinted that postseason hero Johnny Damon should be in line for another four-year contract from the Yankees
riiiiiiight
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 12, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hank and Hal Steinbrenner are laughing at that.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 12, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, even George thinks it’s funny.
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Nov 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
George thinks everything is funny these days.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Nov 13, 2009 1:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re bonafide.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Eh
On one hand, it would be bad if this happened.
On the other, I really don’t think it will.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 12, 2009 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nah
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Nov 12, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh for fuck’s sake.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 12, 2009 4:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well you know the rules
do the same thing and expect a different outcome
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 12, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See sig:
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 13, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That Albert Einstein was a smart man, too bad he’s used as an insult now.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 13, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 13, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a good friend of mine
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Nov 13, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
I’m sorry, I have fully embraced the strategy of filling out the lineup with players past their prime blocking any potential younger cheaper players from ever developing their skills at the major league level. If you want to stay sane, you’d do the same. Now re-sign Money!
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 12, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
New lineup
1) Johnny Damon LF
2) Eugenio Velez 2B
3) Pablo Sandoval 1B
4) Jermaine Dye RF
5) Bengie Molina C
6) Aaron Rowand CF
7) Freddy Sanchez 3B
8) Edgar Renteria SS
/vomits
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 12, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
100 losses, FTL!!
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 12, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
13 stolen bases
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 12, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And on the bench
Buster Posey (12 games, 11 at bats)
John Bowker (20 games, 80 at bats)
Nate Schierholtz (40 games, 150 at bats)
Surprising late season call-ups who never get to play: Thomas Neal, Roger Kieschnick
Bizarre, out-of-left-field call-up to fill in for an injury and nobody understands why the hell they chose THAT guy: Chris Dominguez
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 12, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot Bocock.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He ends up finishing the season in Rookie League, where he posts a line of .062 / .127 / .071, but he’s still left on the 40-man roster.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 12, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because he has learned to throw a screwball
by wilriv21 on Nov 12, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s the MVP of the minor leagues.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 12, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/makes a face as he gingerly steps around pool of vomit
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s that “vomit” player at the bottom? He might be better than some of those guys.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 12, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Based off the recent rumors I personally wouldnt hate
1) Johnny Damon LF
2) Freddy Sanchez 2B/3B
3) Pablo Sandoval 1B/3B
4) Dan Uggla 3B/2B/1B
5) John Bowker RF
6) Buster Posey C
7) Aaron Rowand CF
8) Edgar Renteria SS
(Theres some debate over what positions Sanchez, Sandoval, Uggla would play)
Im fearful of what it’d take to get Uggla, and I wouldnt like losing the 1st round pick for Damon, but depending on how Bowker and Posey can do this lineup could be pretty good.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Nov 12, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Replace an expensive Ugga with...
Troy Glaus, adam laroche or nick johnson and ill be happy.
by HarbirD on Nov 12, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also pablo should bat 4th, not 3rd
FREE BUSTER
by TimLincecumIsGod on Nov 12, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Higher average/OBP in front of higher SLG
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, who cares, it doesn’t really make a difference in the number of runs a team will score…
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't fool yourself
You know Renteria and Rowand will be hitting fifth and sixth.
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by djp4cal on Nov 13, 2009 1:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rentarrhea bats 3. Rowand 5th.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 13, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean PEDRO Sandoval.
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by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t really understand the magnitude of the anti-Damon sentiment, he’s a good player and probably the 3rd best OF available. I know the chances are that he won’t be available on a reasonable contract, but he’d be a decent pickup for the right price.
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by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 1:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
At the right price
Which will never happen. The Yankees MIGHT be involved in bidding for other outfielders, they WILL be involved in the bidding for Damon.
Also, his power was aided greatly by his home park, and will be greatly inhibited by ATT. Bring him here and he may not crack double digit homers.
And double also, showing interest in Damon while not showing interest in Cameron, who is both a better player and likely to get a fraction of the money, would be exactly the kind of stupid mistake we fear/expect /accuse Sabean of every offseason.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 13, 2009 1:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
seconed.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love those with coffee in the morning.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rasin or blueberrry?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well i agree he probably won’t be available at the right price but people seem to be acting like he’s not a good player. Obviously it depends on what the Yankees do, if they truly want him back then he’ll be back there anyway, he’s more of an option if they decide to go elsewhere.
His power numbers would certainly go down but that’s why we use park factors. Also, his numbers were still strong in previous years so it shouldn’t be a huge issue.
Who said we would show interest in him & not Cameron? Sabean doesn’t divulge much but I’m sure he’d be similarly interested (or not) in both.
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by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras + Yankeee bidding + Older Outfielder seems like the perfect storm for a terrible contract. Damon is still a good player, but there’s a lot that could go wrong.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 13, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like i say, it depends on the Yankees intentions, if they’re serious and want him back on a multi-year deal then he’s clearly not viable. If they were to go elsewhere then i don’t know who would be willing to give him a big deal.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They way i look at it he does not fit that well. If going for a year or 1year + option veteran OF under $11MM per/year migth as well get Cameron. Cameron still has more of his still set.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
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by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, Cameron’s the better option, I’m not arguing that Damon should be first choice. I’m not even saying we should sign him, just that he’s a decent player and worth looking at for the right price. He probably won’t and so we’d be better off going elsewhere but he seems to get treated like he’s Jermaine Dye.
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by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand firm. If the incoming OFer is not Holliday and takes much in the way of rescourses I DNW. Cameron is the only other one out of the rest of the free agent OF group I would lift my bann for. The rest of them simply don’t have enough upside to make the gamble worth it.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 13, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve read some good points on why Damon’s offense may not translate the way the park factors say it will. Park factors are backwards looking to adjust for value – but there are definitely cases where they don’t acccount for specific skillsets that fit certain parks better or worse (whcih doesn’t matter when you’re just looking at past value). Pretty sure a lot of Damon’s power is pull power (and he’s not exactly hitting monstrous HR’s every time), and that’s helped greatly by the Yankees stadium and won’t translate well at all to AT&T. It could be his power does more than simply go down – it could vanish altogether.
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well perhaps his power won’t translate as well as park factors suggest, although it’s difficult to say accurately. He’s not a player who only relies on power though as he’s put up OBP of .375 and .365 the last couple of seasons.
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by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I don’t have enough data on this issue to really make any strong guesses, it’s just another piece worth considering when deciding if you want him or not…
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, thanks.
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by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He does pull most of his home runs…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Nov 13, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All of those chip shots to right wouldn’t even reach the warning track against the bricks. If the Giants had their power solution in place at some other position, Damon would be a good complimentary piece. As it stands, he isn’t the type of player the Giants should be considering.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also this.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 13, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! I was looking for that exact data and failed in my google search. Thanks. Wow, now looking at that graph…Damon seriously wouldn’t even get close to double-digit HR’s playing for us.
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well i agree he probably won’t be available at the right price but people seem to be acting like he’s not a good player.
I don’t want any 36-year old who can’t play defense and is going to get a multi-year deal.
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by jcb9 on Nov 13, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like i mention using UZR from one season isn’t very accurate. He’s been above average defensively (in LF) over the last 3 seasons. And if it comes with a wOBA of .376 then it’s worth having a below average glove.
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by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn’t a good defender before that either, though. Of course, he was below average as a center fielder, which is different than being below average as a left fielder, but it’s still not GOOD.
His UZR/150 as a center fielder, 2004-2008:
2004: -8.9
2005: -18.1
2006: -14.3
2007: -7.6
2008: -36.1
Those last two years were in not very many games, but still, overall, it’s clear he wasn’t a plus defender.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 14, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 13, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s mostly two things:
A. His defense is really slipping, even in LF
B. He made $13 mil last year, so he’d have to take a massive paycut to be worth it.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 13, 2009 6:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A) Well his defense was bad statistically this year but hes probably better than that. Also he was still a good player despite the bad defensive numbers.
B) Well aside from the Yankees no team would pay him that much and so he’ll have to take a pay cut anyway.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He might be better than that, but he’s pretty old. It’s dangerous to explain away a slump season as a fluke when you’re talking about guys in their late 30’s.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 13, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True he is, I don’t know what caused the slump (as I’ve not seen enough of him defensively) and it might be age related. A jump from a UZR/150 of 11.6 to -12.1 looks suspicious though and so i wouldn’t want to take either number as accurate.
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by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR is averaged against the league. His age could be one part of it but new better defenders making bebuts this season and youner of’ers improving there defense can also cause his UZR to drop. But that is a huge drop
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly, one year of data in UZR has serious issues, and we might not even be looking at a “slump” as much as seeing some sample error. I would estimate Damon to be below average (maybe somewhere around -7 UZR/150 or so?) based on regressing his UZR numbers, but he just really doesn’t have enough data to really tell (since he shifted from CF to COF recently). The one thing I am confident in is that he’s likely to get progressively worse as he ages.
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To me the problem here is UZR is a stat that needs a lot innings to be accurate. Like 1000’s of innings or we could be just looking at a slump. At his age however one realy can’t wait for those 1000’s of innings because any slump can be the new baseline for his skill. That last line makes me lean towards to old trueism “Better to lose a player a year tooo early than a year too late.” or in this case 2-3 years too late.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3 seaons of UZR roughly equals 1 season worth of offensive stats in terms of accurately measuring “true talent level”, and we know even one season of offensive production can vary a decent amount…so yeah, it’s just really hard to make any confident guesses about Damon. His athleticism does give me some hope, though, as that will generally help him age well and should help keep him at least adequate as a corner OF (despite the fact that he throws like a 7 year old schoolgirl).
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was anesthetized to any bad news after 8 Warrior games, but little tidbits like this open the flood gates and have me bawling like a recently wedgied 4th grade nerd.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Nov 13, 2009 4:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I spoke with a member of the San Francisco Giants management Thursday evening in regards to the rumor that the organization had interest in free agent outfielder Johnny Damon. We were told the following. "You can go to any bookie and bet we will not sign Johnny Damon."
http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=17668
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 13, 2009 5:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Suddenly I like this Frank Russo character.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 13, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now if he can only confirm that the Giants won’t sign Matsui…
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 13, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants General Management Linked to Bbookmakers!
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 13, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean banned from Cooperstown!
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 13, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ Waits hopefully for the big white bouncy “ball” to collect the escaped Sabean prisoner.
/ still is waiting…
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rover.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 13, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Bars Without Prison
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 13, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simon & Schuster?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 13, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“You can go to any bookie and bet we will not sign Johnny Damon.”
True, but it doesn’t say whether you’d win or lose that bet.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 13, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this "source" is probably a bookie looking to make an easy buck
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 13, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YUCK
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Nov 13, 2009 10:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Damon used to play for the Red Sox
Who have a RF fence about as far from home plate as can be. Damon did very well there, and it Oakland before that. Who is to say he wouldn’t do well in Phone Company Park? His biggest strength is OBP anyway.
We nearly won the WC with a horrible offense. He would be an upgrade at any corner OF spot no matter how you slice it.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 13, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dude have you ever been to Fenway? Hitting it out to RF is not difficult. The wall is about 3 feet high, right down the line it’s really, really short, it just gets long out towards CF (kinda like our stadium), except again, the wall is still nice and short. As long as you’re pulling the ball, you’re good and you’ll get plenty of cheapies. The ball also seems to travel decently well there, as opposed to our stadium where it dies (especially to RF). I recently read some stadium effects stuff that put our temperature factor at the most suppressive for offense in all of baseball.
by Missing Barry on Nov 13, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't need to hit HR
He just needs to hit, and Pablo can hit the HR.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 13, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's playing in left field, he should hit home runs.
I realize that it’s the last two seasons have lowered our expectations, but lets not lose sight of reality. Don’t settle.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 13, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Jason Bay
But right now we have Eugenio Velez in LF. Damon surely can at least do that, and probably have a higher OBP. I know what left fielders are SUPPOSED to do but I want improvement however we can get it.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 13, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, I think Velez is a much better fielder than Damon at this point.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 13, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon did not hit well in Oakland. Not at all.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Nov 13, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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