SBN Awards: NL MVP
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 9:01 AM PST
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| Rk | Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Albert Pujols | St. Louis Cardinals | 31 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 434 |
| 2 | Hanley Ramirez | Florida Marlins | - | 6 | 8 | 11 | 2 | 1 | 2 | - | - | - | 220 |
| 3 | Chase Utley | Philadelphia Phillies | - | 7 | 11 | 2 | 3 | 1 | - | 1 | - | 1 | 192 |
| 4 | Prince Fielder | Milwaukee Brewers | - | 5 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 7 | 1 | - | - | - | 186 |
| 5 | Troy Tulowitzki | Colorado Rockies | - | 4 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 134 |
| 6 | Tim Lincecum | San Francisco Giants | - | 4 | 1 | - | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 1 | - | 79 |
| 7 | Ryan Howard | Philadelphia Phillies | - | 4 | - | 1 | 4 | 1 | - | - | 3 | 1 | 79 |
| 8 | Ryan Zimmerman | Washington Nationals | - | - | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | - | 2 | 79 |
| 9 | Adrian Gonzalez | San Diego Padres | - | - | 1 | - | 3 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 71 |
| 10 | Pablo Sandoval | San Francisco Giants | - | - | - | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 57 |
| 11 | Matt Kemp | Los Angeles Dodgers | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 3 | - | 1 | 56 |
| 12 | Ryan Braun | Milwaukee Brewers | - | - | 2 | - | - | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | - | 39 |
| 13 | Chris Carpenter | St. Louis Cardinals | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | 1 | - | 1 | 2 | 25 |
| 14 | Derrek Lee | Chicago Cubs | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 25 |
| 15 | Andre Ethier | Los Angeles Dodgers | - | - | - | - | 1 | 2 | 2 | - | - | - | 24 |
| 16 | Adam Wainwright | St. Louis Cardinals | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 1 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 23 |
| 17 | Javier Vazquez | Atlanta Braves | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 16 |
| 18 | Matt Holliday | St. Louis Cardinals | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 12 |
| 19 | Joey Votto | Cincinnati Reds | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 11 |
| 20 | Mark Reynolds | Arizona Diamondbacks | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | 2 | 10 |
| 21 | Todd Helton | Colorado Rockies | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | 7 |
| 22 | Jayson Werth | Philadelphia Phillies | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 6 |
| 23 | Adam Dunn | Washington Nationals | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 3 | 5 |
| 24 | Juan Pierre | Los Angeles Dodgers | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 4 |
| 25 | Justin Upton | Arizona Diamondbacks | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| 26 | Raul Ibanez | Philadelphia Phillies | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| 27 | Ubaldo Jimenez | Colorado Rockies | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| 28 | Brian McCann | Atlanta Braves | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | - | 4 |
| 29 | Dan Haren | Arizona Diamondbacks | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | - | 4 |
| 30 | Michael Bourn | Houston Astros | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 3 |
| 31 | Yadier Molina | St. Louis Cardinals | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 3 |
| 32 | Nyjer Morgan | Washington Nationals | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 |
| 33 | Yunel Escobar | Atlanta Braves | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 |
My ballot:
- Albert Pujols
- Hanley Ramirez
- Chase Utley
- Pablo Sandoval
- Prince Fielder
- Troy Tulowitski
- Adrian Gonzalez
- Tim Lincecum
- Adam Wainwright
- Chris Carpenter
The last three slots were my way of saying, "Hey, pitchers should contend too. Just, uh, not on my ballot." Obvious homerism in play with my Sandoval vote, especially since I didn't even include Ryan Zimmerman on my ballot. I'm pretty sure there's no defensive difference between Sandoval and Zimmerman, so I'm not too regretful. Ahem.
Hey, it's better than a fourth-place vote for Todd Helton or second-place vote for Joey Votto, at least.
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No way, no how I can complain about Pujols getting this.
My question is are the McCoven for or against a pticher getting MVP votes?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Against
Making 30+ starts in a 162 game season are not enough to earn a MVP award.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Batters faced by Tim Lincecum: 905
Plate appearances by Albert Pujols: 700
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You get an "Incomplete"
Now factor in defense.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Should I factor in put-outs? Because then every 1B should have a better chance at the award than non-1B.
Lincecum personally factors into 200 more outcomes than Pujols. I doubt the difference between Pujols’s defense and the average 1B’s defense makes such a difference that Lincecum shouldn’t even be considered.
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, let me put this another way.
Or rather, the same way with a different explanation.
Pujols’ 700+ at bats are spread out over the entire 162. This means that Albert has a chance to be “valuable” in a majority of his team’s games.
No matter what Tim does, he can only impact 30 games.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he has WAY more impact in those games.
by DrStankus on Nov 12, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can throw 30 no-hitters and still only impact a small percentage of his team’s games.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, that’s technically correct.
However, he’s impacting each game at a much more intense level.
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
by DrStankus on Nov 12, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lars is acute.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, I read this as “Lars is cute”.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 12, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the idea.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU DON'T THINK I'M CUTE?!?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re more ruggedly handsome than cute.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I can live with that.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but in a cute way.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, Lars, I scoured the interwebz for pics of you but I dunno, the results are a bit mixed…
Let’s just say I’d warn my sister about you.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 12, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually Gene Rayburn
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, you should see my facebook pic!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I should warn my grandma about you…
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too late!
Tell her I said, “Hi”.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your safesearch must be on. My results look nothing like that.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I am being intentionally correct
A team’s need for “value” doesn’t stop when you are not in the game. Again, if your contribution to the team’s success only represents a small fraction of the season, you should not win a MVP award.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But hitters are only contributing a tiny fraction in each game they play, whereas pitchers are contributing a ton.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just "hitters"
Position players have the potential to contribute to the success of the team in every game they are in. Therefore, since they appear in more games than pitchers, they have a larger impact on the season. This would be especially true for someone like Pujols who not only contributes for more than average on offense, but is also an above average defender.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re going from this:
Position players have the potential to contribute to the success of the team in every game they are in.
To this:
Therefore, since they appear in more games than pitchers, they have a larger impact on the season.
That potential doesn’t make them automatically more valuable. In fact, that potential gives them many more chances to hurt the team.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But we aren't talking about Velez
We are talking about players like Utley or Howard or Pujols. They aren’t going to hurt their team by being on the field more. In fact, they will contribute more to their team’s success than Lincecum would.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
What you seem to be talking about is WPA. Looking over the last three years, hitters have been the most valuable according to that metric. But the top pitchers are up there too, usually in the top 5/10. So, I think you’re overstating the case a bit.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Norwegian people can’t be “intentionally” correct, only accidentally correct.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/ reports for square head abuse.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no
you are wrong.
I’ve got too much to do to try to correct someone who is so pigheadedly stuck on a ridiculous notion.
If what you are saying is correct, then even the best pitchers should only make about 20-25% of what the best hitters make.
That’s clearly retarded.
by DrStankus on Nov 12, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
What’s retarded is relating salaries to value.
BARRY ZITO FOR MVP!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t a Great Starting pitcher harder to find than a great position player?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, slow down there tiger.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh...
I knew someone was going to flip their shit before too long. The anticipation is half the fun.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so you did it for the reaction?
that’s classic trolling 101.
by DrStankus on Nov 12, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you get your correlations. He KNEW some would disagree with him and would blow up. Nothing more.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The reaction was a fringe benefit
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
U R A % YEAR OLD PIGHEAD!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
%=5
i should just use caps lock
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it better this way.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dusting off a classic
I guess that makes him a master baiter.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You gotta love Hobbes.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 12, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lars has been here over 2 years
pretty sure he’s not a troll. Also pretty sure it’s not cool for newbs to call veteran posters trolls.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon dude
calling someone’s behavior trollish isn’t the same as calling someone a troll.
But fine, I’ll retract that.
His logic is still retarded. Or can I not have that thought either?
by DrStankus on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can disagree all you want
and namecalling is a fundamental part of posting here!
FWIW, I agree with Lars. I think position players and pitchers are apples to oranges a little bit, but I do think a guy like Pujols impacts a team more over the course of a season more than even Lincecum does.
Put it this way- I’m going to pay someone 127 mil over 7 years. Do I give it to Pujols or Lincecum? Probably Pujols, if that’s the option, since he’s going to play so much more over the life of the contract.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He actually has admitted to being a troll.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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by cheno on Nov 12, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, pitchers are important. But you what is important to a pitcher? Defense and Offense.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s technically correct.
The best kind of correct.
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by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols = 1473 PO, 13 E
Lincecum = 676 outs (innings pitched; 261 by K), 13 PO, 2 E
by Every6thDay on Nov 12, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if Pujols pitched, the opposing teams would have negative baserunners. He really is a modern-day Babe Ruth.
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And think of the progeny! And candy bar! And John Goodman-starring biopic!
by Every6thDay on Nov 12, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, i totally believe that it should be position players only for MVP, but at the same time, what if a pitcher has an outstanding year offensively as well as pitching? who knows, i’m going with an all position player MVP
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to imagine a pitcher ever getting enough time in the batter’s box to make a big difference. Even the horsiest of pitchers seldom crack 100 plate appearances a year.
I guess if Micah Owings could pitch like Tim Lincecum I might have to reconsider.
by Evan on Nov 12, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh, the pitcher would have to turn in a Steve Carlton Cy Young like season and provide most of his on runs, or RBI’s for me to consider that.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The MVP is the Most Valuable Player. 2009’s WAR leader was Zack Greinke. Yes, pitchers should be considered
by quincy0191 on Nov 12, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers already have an MVP
it’s called the cy young
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MVP doesn’t stand for “Most Valuable Postion Player”. By saying pitchers can’t qualify, you’re saying they’re not “players”. Don’t be a player hater.
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by Goofus on Nov 13, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers are “players” in the National League. In the AL, they are carbon-based pitching machines.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 13, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they should be "excluded" per se
but for a pitcher to win MVP they’d have to have a crazy ridiculous year IMO.
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by bondslegend on Nov 13, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the notion that the enlightened internet nerd vote would humiliate the stodgy old BBWAA vote: dead. There were a couple ballots that didn’t even have Chase Utley.
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Michael Bourn, Nyjer Morgan and pre-All Star Break Raul Ibanez are way more valuable to fantasy baseball guys internet sports bloggers.
by Every6thDay on Nov 12, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I hate what pokemonz has done to player evaluation. Evidence of which is available in just about every other comment on all of the rosterbation threads.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Player evaluation was riddled with foolishness and inconsistency long before roto.
by Evan on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cue “We’re not selling jeans” argument. Cue “Shut up, Moneyball douche!” counterargument.
by Every6thDay on Nov 12, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, WAR loves Morgan and Bourne as well.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 12, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*Bourn
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 12, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FanGraphs said Morgan was worth 5,000,000 runs in center last year. If you take that as gospel, then he should have received votes. I’m surprised that only one blogger is a UZR whore to that extent.
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chase Utley
Even underrated on the tubes.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The person who voted him 10th should be annihilated.
by xanthan on Nov 12, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the people who voted him lower than 3rd should be massacred
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by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chase Utley is a modern day Joe Morgan. Hopefully he doesn’t turn out to be as self-unaware as Joe in his old age.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see Utley doing media. He isn’t very talkative
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by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his Hiroshima was the All-Star game and his Nagasaki was the World Series celebration.
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by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about the people that left him off entirely? If he had those 5 extra votes the race for second with Hanley would have been even closer. He has more 2nd and 3rd place votes that Hanley and still came in behind him. Crazy..
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by kennv on Nov 12, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VVRROOOMM for MVP!!
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Einstein to Sabean remark
Sabean’s response: “Why don’t we both stick to what we know, EinSTEEN.”
(“The longer I do this, the smarter I get.” – Brian Sabean, lying)
by Every6thDay on Nov 12, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Stephen is losing his marbles. He is trying to hard to be like Grant and is failing miserably
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by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t even see that the first time. How do you even defend that? “Yeah, he only started part of the year and even during that time he might have possibly been the fifth-best player on his team, but I really think that over the course of the season he was one of the ten most-valuable players in the league.”
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by cornball on Nov 12, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dodger fans!
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My response to Dodger Fans
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Grab Some Pine Meat!
by Gobroks on Nov 13, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope it was snakecharmer
He also didn’t have Utley in the top 10
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 12, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Helton 4th
So, basically, listen to nothing he says about baseball.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Juan Pierre 7th with Chase Utley not even on the ballot
I wonder if Bud Selig will give the Yankees a receipt with their World Series purchase
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 12, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo's value
I look at the MVP this way: To determine value, remove said player, estimate what the team does without him.
The 2009 Giants don’t content into Sept w/o Pablo.
The 1987 Cubs still finish in last place without Andre Dawson.
Perhaps that’s provincial, but that’s how I do it.
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by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's usually how I think about the award, too --
But better still is “Add player x to any other team and what does he do for them?”
Pujols makes every team demonstrably better. Pablo falls into “complimentary” category on a lot of teams.
by Every6thDay on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case
Pujols should just win it every year, since he’s probably the biggest difference-maker in the league.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
/pujolslegend
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 12, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT:
What do you think Grant is doing with all the extra time he’s had this week while he mails* these threads in?
* Or, rather, e-mails.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nap. He has a rug rat in the house and naps become very rare.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem to that
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 12, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shh
You’ll wake the kid up.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Llama origami
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How many llama’s must one fold to get their wish?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SCREW YOU PAL. I HAVE POSTED A REAL POST EVERY DAY THAT AN AWARDS POST IS UP. EXCEPT FOR TODAY, THAT IS, BECAUSE YOU OPENED YOUR BIG YAPPER.
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I EXPECT THREE POSTS A DAY AT MINIMUM! THIS IS THE OFFSEASON! THINGS ARE HAPPENING! I NEED MY THREE TIMES A DAILY FIX!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me, Howie
Just how big is your yapper?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s big, but I actually can’t open it to its full capacity because the joint slips and it locks up on me if I do. So nobody can really see how big it is. At least, not without me dealing with an extremely uncomfortable situation that I’d rather never deal with again.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you have actually had your yapper stuck in the open position? I hope you took advantage of that money making situation!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have. It was not pleasant. I was on a boat at the time, and was seriously worried that I would have to have the whole thing turn back to shore so I could get to a doctor. As it turns out, it didn’t come to that. By focibly pulling my lower jaw down and over, I was able to get it back in the right place. It took like 5 minutes of trying though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh SHIT, I smell a dance off coming!!!
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, a perfectly valid answer to my question would have been “he’s been working on all of his other posts that he’s been making.”
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep expecting a front-page post for some reason...
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 12, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
High-5’s for both Pablo and Timmy finishing above Kemp and Ethier
Buster Posey shot my dog.
I thanked him.
by Bballpitcher2 on Nov 12, 2009 9:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Barry was robbed again.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 12, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
C'mon
Zito wasn’t that good.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH CMON! he was better than Zito of passed :) haha
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: By the way, GO NINERS! DAY DRINKING!!!!! HELL YEA
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love college, no more classes for the week…. So i better enjoy college while i can
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to go back to school.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As Asher Roth once said, "I love college"
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst song of the year
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But teens everywhere disagree.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I fucking hate?
that I sorta like that horrible piece of crap
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sucks it's kinda catchy, PARTAY IN THE BAY! GO NINERS
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have yet to talk to someone who doesn't like it
I’m sure there are plenty of people here who don’t, but seriously. That song is like a disease that everyone has.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you can go to a club, go anywhere, and that song will be on, hell, it was played at Pikes halloween party, and instead of “Party in the USA” it was “Party in the PI K A”
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/sheepish agreement.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh my god
nominated for best HIP HOP video and best RAP/HIP-HOP track?!?!
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but yea that’s a bunch of bull shit, what about a song by Kanye, Drake, Lil Wayne… WHAT THE HELL
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PiKa, imma let you finish…
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GET HIM LARS!
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, yea he drank a lil too much for that, i really think though there were tons of tracks better than Asher Roth
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I can’t stand white rappers that aren’t eminem. Actually, I can’t stand him either. Or rap in general for that matter
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t like plain white wrappers?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like i said, i just appreciate how they can think of rhymes extremely fast
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's impressive, sure
but I prefer dudes who shred the guitar and can just jam with a band. That’s more what I’m into
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh for sure dude, i’m with ya there, and you know i might not be into the rock as much as you but, by far my favorite band is Muse, just once i want to see them live, and they haven’t played in a few years… other than live on TV, but my first concert was Queens of the stone age, and that was tight
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Muse is coming to the Bay Area in December. (I realize you’re in Ohio)
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 12, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AWWW FUCK! DECEMBER 11, i'm still gonna be in school, SHIT!
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get swine flu and get sent home a week early.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 12, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA! you know, that wouldnt be a bad idea
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah, yeah, not so much. I was miserable for a full week. I would not recommend.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 12, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of people have
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks bondslegend…. 2 people died at our school, and i’m pretty sure i’m not getting a shot for it, screw it
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez that's crazy
a friend of mine had a friend who also died from it. I know like 4 people who have it. Scary
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, sorry dude, yea it is a scary illness, most of the time however, if you have swine flu, it’s something else that kills you
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I've heard
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, so basically, wash your hands and stay clean
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MANY BOTHIANS WILL DIE FOR THIS.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Mon Mothma sighs…
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mon Mothma sighs
As she begins to realize
That no longer will there be
A Bothan between her thighs
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a bit of star wars reference?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean the film or the tv series? either way, never seen em
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lars’ fanfic
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lars!
You just beat me to that one.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why, but every time I see Mon Mothma mentioned, I think of Mothmonsterman from ATHF.
F. the Lewis.
by calpolynate on Nov 12, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Muse and QOTSA? You and I would get along very well.
I’m still kinda pissed that sneaktobetterseats used their lyrics as part of his craziness.
F. the Lewis.
by calpolynate on Nov 12, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
eh, whatever dude, as long as they’re still rockin, i’m straight. You know, that Josh Homme, Dave Grohl, and the song writer of Led Zeppelin are in a band together?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup – Crooked Vultures
F. the Lewis.
by calpolynate on Nov 12, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fyi: whole album streamed on youtube
http://themcrookedvultures.com/
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, that band is fucking awesome, i love it, i know they tried doing something with “Eagles of Death Metal”
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of The Birds of War
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 12, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re at the Fox in Oakland 11/19.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AWWWWW SHIT, i'm here until the 24th
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
get the measles get sent home early.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 12, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember to drink plenty of fluids.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And beer doesn’t count
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
woa woa, dude, beer is alcohol, doesnt beer kill bacteria?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too weak.
Vodka would probably work though. 151 definitely would. Especially if you do flaming shots.
by speckops on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s science.
On a serious note, most microbiology labs use 95% EtOH in our lab to kill unwanted E. coli.* So 151 would probably work, but I wouldn’t stake my life on it.
*Or bleach. Both will make you blind, but only one of those will kill you.#
#And it’s not the bleach.
by speckops on Nov 12, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aight, so basically beer doesnt do shit…. jsut wash your hands and be safe
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The song writer? You mean the bass player, John Paul Jones
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought John Paul Jones was doing classical. Shows how little I know.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s always worked on symphonic arrangements. He did all of them for LZ
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Page and Plant wrote the majority of their music.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Led Zeppelin didn’t write songs…they, um, appropriated them.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that too…I had him pegged as a PhishHead.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beastie Boys?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess they're OK
but I don’t have them on my ipod. So I don’t really “like” them.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Never really listened to them
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aight then, well, you’ve heard of these guys and i’ll say Green Day, in their punk days
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think he was calling you a tool.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They aren’t rap.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just going to assume you’re drunk per usual.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drunker than usual?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m on my 2nd beer, i’m just saying he was right, they’re rock
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But this was a subthread about rappers. Anyways, I like Tool, not a bunch, but enough to listen to some of their stuff.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, i know… haha, my bad about that, but yea, agreed on Tool, i haven’t listened to them a whole lot, but they’re alright
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re amazing. Lateralus (the album) is fantastically incredible.
by quincy0191 on Nov 12, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For real. But see, i haven’t listened to their whole albums, just a few singles
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PAPER!!!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re progressive metal. And the best band ever.
by quincy0191 on Nov 12, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…and have the most talented drummer ever (sorry Keith).
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Avery (bassist for Jane’s Addiction) tweeted this recently:
last night i watched tool for most of the set crouched behind drum riser. insane. most creative heavy rhythm section in rock….
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 12, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Something happened between undertow and aenima
they must have gotten some training or something. They were good before that, but all the polyrythems they started using made them that much more awesome.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure exactly when, but Danny studied tabla with some master tabla-ist.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they are one of my all time favorite bands to see live, for sure.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone caught Maynard’s new project Puscifer? We were out of town when the played the Fox on 11/5.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But yea, it was pretty bad, i like the Ludacris remix, that’s straight, but i also do like the Stephen Curry remix where he’s rapping about Davidson… well he’s featured in it…
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You damned kids and your hipped hop.
by xanthan on Nov 12, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just appreciate the rhymes and how fast they can do it, i can’t come up with anything that good and that fast
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It stinks if you are looking for Casablanca. It’s kind of entertaining if you are looking for MST3K.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 12, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is false
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
by boonitez on Nov 12, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of Pod People
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 13, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 13, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW! WTF? I just watched it on you tube…
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 6:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grad school is fun too
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 12, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. It’s like college, but everyone can legally drink.
by speckops on Nov 12, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only downside is that the commuters can’t really come on the weekends :-/
Psh, families and jobs and such….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 12, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, if you go to a school in the middle of nowhere, everyone lives in a 4 mile radius of school, so it’s not a big deal. Oh, the benefit of going to school in the middle of noewhere.
by speckops on Nov 12, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m leaving work early so I can drink. This qualifies as day drinking for me.
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McC E-Enterainment News
Grant has a drinking problem.
by xanthan on Nov 12, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy, i can’t wait until i get out of college and start working! Pretty sure there’s no more heavy drinking outside of college… :(… well actually that’s a :) my liver will thank me
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is
It’s just usually confined to weekends.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And weeknights following Giants games.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And before and after work.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 12, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And sometimes during.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I only drink on days beginning with the letter "T."
Tuesday, Thursday…today, tomorrow, etc.
by speckops on Nov 12, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, i can do that, i mean that’s what happens here all the time too
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, if by weekends you mean weekdays and weekends.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So that’s what you’re doing with all the extra time you have.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What % of posts have you made while drunk (if any)
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any post made after 8:00 p.m. has a decent chance. There are a few gamethreads in which I’m obviously owled and frisky after a rugged loss.
by Grant on Nov 12, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha awesome.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I want to know is
Where did you do your research for all the oldtimey terms?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh i love this so much
not sure why
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If, as a baseball fan, you don’t get at least frisky and as much as schizo after a rugged loss and by all means take it to your fav team message board and vent, then you ain’t doing it right. The booze helps usher said friskocity.
Blehhh!
by Giant Homer on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bourbon tonight, while watching the niners?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying we should trade Cain for Fielder, then?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 12, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh good greif…
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: BROOKE HUNDLEY IN VIDEO
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/brooke-hundley-discusses_n_355167.html
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
she IS 220 though
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well only if you have the correect 6th tool.
/ Cues more Steve Phillips jokes.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL windows
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL MACZ FTWWWWWWJKLKDLFKJ:LKJW:EEEEEEIWJ:KL
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
Has anyone read the article in this week’s SF Weekly about the brothers who hacked the Apple OS so it can run on “windows” boxes? They sell them over the internet, and seem to be doing pretty well.
It’s a real interesting read, and I think some of you geekz and lawyerz will enjoy it.
< disclaimer > I’m not involved with any of the aforementioned business entities < /disclaimer >
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by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apple tracks people like this down and kneecaps them
which is stupid and annoying.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WOO WHO! Penny has lost 12 pounds and the Giants looking to resign him
Isn’t it a bit early for some many “best shape of their career” stories? I mean Sabean has not even signed to extra spare centerfielder of the off season yet.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hell, sfgiants.com is blogging panda work out regiment. That basically chronicling his ascent to the best shape of his career
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
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by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
although the MVP is poorly named, and the rules for considering it are vague, the fact that pitchers have their own award should preclude them from MVP. Indeed, it stands for most valuable player. However, it is (in essence) the counter part to the cy young. Why was the cy young award conceived and adopted? to give recognition to the best pitcher because they knew that they would rarely win mvp awards over hitters. the mvp is not named the best hitter award, but it is should be in a de facto sense. it isn’t even possible to vote for a hitter/ fielder for cy young, so it seems a little biased towards pitchers that they can be voted for for both awards.
be happy with the cy young award, pitchers, and stay out of my mvp race.
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So what about pitchers winning Series MVPs?
by troymccluresf on Nov 12, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
theres no series cy young, so im not against it
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 12, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers have the Cy Young. If we exclude pitchers from the MVP, then hitters get the MVP, the Silver Slugger, and 8/9 Gold Gloves.
And what about Rookie of the Year? If we’re excluding pitchers from the MVP, they should be excluded from the ROY, which is basically the MVP for rookies. So we’ve got ROY, MVP, Silver Slugger, and 8/9 Gold Gloves reserved for hitters/positions players. Pitchers get the Cy Young. Shouldn’t there be SOME award parity?
by quincy0191 on Nov 12, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers also get Silver Sluggers and Gold Gloves. It seems perfectly even to me. I guess your complaint is that pitchers have to contend with a larger pool of competitors for these minor awards, but so what? Hitters have to contend with a larger pool of competitors for the MVP than pitchers do for the Cy.
Who says the Rookie of the Year is the MVP for rookies? Every year we hear the argument that “valuable” doesn’t mean “best,” so obviously voters approach ROTY differently than the MVP. And there’s no rookie award for pitchers, so making them ineligible for ROTY would make no sense.
by Evan on Nov 12, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hitters have to contend with a larger pool of competitors for the MVP than pitchers do for the Cy.
Uh, no. A little less than half the major league roster is pitchers, and a little more than half the major league roster is hitters. There’s a difference, but it’s not all that significant. Assuming each team uses one player at each position and doesn’t use a bullpen (eliminating backups everywhere) there are a total of 30 contenders for each Gold Glove at each position. There are a total of 150 contenders for the pitcher’s Gold Glove, or five times as many. Same deal for the Silver Slugger. There would be a total of 240 contenders for the MVP from position players, and 150 pitchers contending for the MVP. That’s 1.6 times as many hitters. So hitters would still take the MVP more often. Each positional player is five times as likely to win a GG/SS, and 1.6 times more likely to win an MVP, if the awards are distributed evenly. The Cy Young compensates for this, BUT, if the MVP is hitters-only, then the Cy Young and MVP basically neutralize one another; pitchers have a higher chance to win the Cy Young than hitters have to win the MVP, since there are fewer of them, but hitters have a MUCH higher chance to win the Gold Glove or Silver Slugger, since there are fewer of them at each position than there are total pitchers.
If you made the MVP hitters-only, I don’t know what case you could make against the ROY being for everyone. The ROY is the best rookie; the MVP is the best player. The only difference to me seems to be which pool you draw candidates from. You could say that the ROY is everyone and the MVP is hitters-only, but it seems rather hypocritical given the nature of the awards.
And if the MVP should be hitters-only because the pitchers have their own award, should the ROY preclude rookies from winning the MVP even if they are hitters? Should it preclude rookie pitchers from winning the Cy Young? After all, the ROY gives the rookies “their own award” so they don’t need the MVP or Cy Young, right?
I think that hitters should win the MVP most of the time; they are generally more valuable than pitchers (though that’s more because there are far more great hitters than great pitchers; the list of great pitchers starts and ends quickly). The Cy Young should also push the vote toward hitters; awards should be spread evenly, and if there’s a pitchers-only award other awards should be pushed toward hitters to compensate (and the GG/SS aren’t prestigious enough on their own). But excluding pitchers entirely from MVP consideration seems ridiculous; what happens when a pitcher goes 30-0 with a 0.00 ERA (OK, I know that won’t happen, but let’s have a hypothetical here)? Can you say “Sorry, Jack, but you weren’t the most valuable”? I don’t think so. It’s the Most Valuable PLAYER, not the Most Valuable HITTER. If you want to make a separate award, more power to you. But the MVP is clearly for everyone.
by quincy0191 on Nov 12, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Intimidating blocks of text are intimidating
And look like this:
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Doc Ellis looking in for a sign?
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by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers get Silver Sluggers and Gold Gloves too. Seems perfectly even to me. I guess your argument is that pitchers face a larger pool of competition for these minor awards than hitters do, but so what? Hitters face a larger pool of competition for the MVP than pitchers do for the Cy.
Who says the Rookie of the Year is the MVP for rookies? Every year we hear the explicit argument that the MVP is not a Player of the Year award, that “valuable” doesn’t mean “best.” So obviously voters approach the two awards differently. And since there’s no rookie award just for pitchers, there’s no reason to make them ineligible for this one.
by Evan on Nov 12, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers get Silver Sluggers and Gold Gloves too. Seems perfectly even to me. I guess your argument is that pitchers face a larger pool of competition for these minor awards than hitters do, but so what? Hitters face a larger pool of competition for the MVP than pitchers do for the Cy.
Who says the Rookie of the Year is the MVP for rookies? Every year we hear the explicit argument that the MVP is not a Player of the Year award, that "valuable" doesn’t mean "best." So obviously voters approach the two awards differently. And since there’s no rookie award just for pitchers, there’s no reason to make them ineligible for this one.
by xanthan on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers get Silver Sluggers and Gold Gloves too. Seems perfectly even to me. I guess your argument is that pitchers face a larger pool of competition for these boobs minor awards than hitters do, but so what? Hitters face a larger pool of competition for the MVP than pitchers do for the Cy.
Who says the Rookie of the Year is the MVP for rookies? Every year we hear the explicit argument that the MVP is not a Player of the Year award, that “valuable” doesn’t mean “best.” So obviously voters approach the two awards differently. And since there’s no rookie award just for pitchers, there’s no reason to make them ineligible for this one.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone noticed what I did.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BOOBS
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOLars
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 12, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers get Silver Sluggers and Gold Gloves too. Seems perfectly even to me. I guess your argument is that pitchers face a larger pool of competition for these minor awards than hitters do, but so what? Hitters face a larger pool of competition for the MVP than pitchers do for the Cy.
Who says the Rookie of the Year is the MVP for rookies? Every year we hear the explicit argument that the MVP is not a Player of the Year award, that “valuable” doesn’t mean “best.” So obviously voters approach the two awards differently. And since there’s no rookie award just for pitchers, there’s no reason to make them ineligible for this one.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers get Silver Sluggers and Gold Gloves too. Seems perfectly even to me. I guess your argument is that pitchers face a larger pool of competition for these minor awards than hitters do, but so what? Hitters face a larger pool of competition for the MVP than pitchers do for the Cy.
Who says the Rookie of the Year is the MVP for rookies? Every year we hear the explicit argument that the MVP is not a Player of the Year award, that "valuable" doesn’t mean "best." So obviously voters approach the two awards differently. And since there’s no rookie award just for pitchers, there’s no reason to make them ineligible for this one.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The more I read this, the more persuasive it gets.
by Evan on Nov 12, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love it here
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone hate me so much and so similarly?
by quincy0191 on Nov 12, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
˙ǝuo sıɥʇ ɹoɟ ǝlqıƃılǝuı ɯǝɥʇ ǝʞɐɯ oʇ uosɐǝɹ ou s’ǝɹǝɥʇ ’sɹǝɥɔʇıd ɹoɟ ʇsnɾ pɹɐʍɐ ǝıʞooɹ ou s’ǝɹǝɥʇ ǝɔuıs puɐ ˙ʎlʇuǝɹǝɟɟıp spɹɐʍɐ oʍʇ ǝɥʇ ɥɔɐoɹddɐ sɹǝʇoʌ ʎlsnoıʌqo os "˙ʇsǝq" uɐǝɯ ʇ’usǝop "ǝlqɐnlɐʌ" ʇɐɥʇ ’pɹɐʍɐ ɹɐǝʎ ǝɥʇ ɟo ɹǝʎɐld ɐ ʇou sı dʌɯ ǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʇ ʇuǝɯnƃɹɐ ʇıɔıldxǝ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥ ǝʍ ɹɐǝʎ ʎɹǝʌǝ ¿sǝıʞooɹ ɹoɟ dʌɯ ǝɥʇ sı ɹɐǝʎ ǝɥʇ ɟo ǝıʞooɹ ǝɥʇ sʎɐs oɥʍ
˙ʎɔ ǝɥʇ ɹoɟ op sɹǝɥɔʇıd uɐɥʇ dʌɯ ǝɥʇ ɹoɟ uoıʇıʇǝdɯoɔ ɟo lood ɹǝƃɹɐl ɐ ǝɔɐɟ sɹǝʇʇıɥ ¿ʇɐɥʍ os ʇnq ’op sɹǝʇʇıɥ uɐɥʇ spɹɐʍɐ ɹouıɯ ǝsǝɥʇ ɹoɟ uoıʇıʇǝdɯoɔ ɟo lood ɹǝƃɹɐl ɐ ǝɔɐɟ sɹǝɥɔʇıd ʇɐɥʇ sı ʇuǝɯnƃɹɐ ɹnoʎ ssǝnƃ ı ˙ǝɯ oʇ uǝʌǝ ʎlʇɔǝɟɹǝd sɯǝǝs ˙ooʇ sǝʌolƃ ploƃ puɐ sɹǝƃƃnls ɹǝʌlıs ʇǝƃ sɹǝɥɔʇıd
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa…
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL ME
i actually attempted to turn my computer upside down and read that
by sfoakbay on Nov 12, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This certainly would not help.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what Bruce Bochy had to say
Peetchers get Seelfer Slooggers und Guld Glufes tuu. Seems perffectly ifee tu me-a. I gooess yuoor ergooment is thet peetchers fece-a a lerger puul ooff cumpeteeshun fur zeese-a meenur everds thun heetters du, boot su vhet? Heetters fece-a a lerger puul ooff cumpeteeshun fur zee MFP thun peetchers du fur zee Cy. Bork bork bork!
Vhu seys zee Ruukeee-a ooff zee Yeer is zee MFP fur ruukeees? Ifery yeer ve-a heer zee ixpleecit ergooment thet zee MFP is nut a Pleyer ooff zee Yeer everd, thet “felooeble-a” duesn’t meun “best. Um de hur de hur de hur.” Su oobfeeuoosly futers eppruech zee tvu everds deefffferently. Bork bork bork! Und seence-a zeere-a’s nu ruukeee-a everd joost fur peetchers, zeere-a’s nu reesun tu meke-a zeem ineleegible-a fur thees oone-a.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Nov 12, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Still funny
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Translation
Borkers get Bork Borkers and Bork Bork too. Seems borkly Bork to Bork. I Bork your Bork is that Borkers bork a larger bork of bork for these bork borks than borkers do, but bork what? Borkers bork a larger bork of borktion for the MVBork than borkers do for the Bork.
Bork says the Bork of the Bork is the MVBork for borkies? Every bork we bork the explicit bork that the MVBork is not a Bork of the Bork bork, that “bork” doesn’t bork “bork.” So borkly borkers bork the two borks differently. And bork there’s no borkie bork just for borkers, there’s no bork to make bork borkible for this bork.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Nov 12, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
/drinks more caffeine
by troymccluresf on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
pitchers for MVP - only in extreme cases
Most of the time, I’d say pitchers shouldn’t be considered for MVP. However, if a pitcher comes along and throws up Bob Gibson-type stats, I’d (probably) say yes.
F. the Lewis.
by calpolynate on Nov 12, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of position players
this is totally OT but let’s say hypothetically that someone is in a dynasty league, and that someone owns the cardinals and is thinking of trading Colby Rasmus. What would people who know a LOT more about baseball than this person think he’s worth? Is Rasmus supposed to be like the next pre-fat andruw jones? Or Ken Griffey?
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And let's say that the interested party was the rockies
remember, this is totally hypothetical.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HYPOTHETICAL POKEMONZ!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hypothetically
What type of league is it? How is scoring done? Does defense count? Rasmus should be a beast, but Andruw and Griffey are pretty lofty heights for anyone.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you get to control guys for their first 6 years, hypothetically
so the GM would get him for 5 more cost-controlled years. And the categories are OBP/SLG/K/XBH/SB
Considering getting Ubaldo (3 more years) and Ianetta (3 more years) Pitching is K/ERA/QS/HLD/SV
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming you’re weak at catcher and strong in the OF (or CF if you have it explicitly laid out that way), I’d probably do that trade. You’re taking on risk though, both in acquiring a pitcher and in the fact that Tracy may not realize how good Iannetta is offensively.
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by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kinda thinking that
it is LF, CF,RF, and at this point I just have Rasmus, Ludwick, and Granderson in the OF, so 2 CFs and no LF
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No LF?
You need Jason Bay. What do you have at catcher, just Molina?
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by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No C
the only guys we get to keep are guys with fewer than 6 service years- 150 ABs for hitters= svc year, 25 G or 50 IP for pitchers. I could get Holliday back for a hometown discount though, so I may have him or bay in LF IDK. I have more money than most people.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, you’re going to be in trouble in CF after this coming season then, right?
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by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
so that’s why I’d want a really good deal in return for him. I was wondering if Ubaldo/Ianetta would be too much to ask, but I don’t think it’s really enough. Maybe working in a way to get Fowler back would balance it out a little? But the problem is IDK the relative values of Rasmus and Fowler. Fowler obviously is fast, but Rasmus is the better hitter most likely.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And there are no good catchers available in FA? I think you’re going to be hurting in CF, when you could have a stud there for the next 5 years, to trade for a C for 3 years and an upgrade at P. Given your teams construction, and the risks of pitching, I might say no to the trade above. If you could get Iannetta and Fowler (extremely unlikely, I would think, as Fowler and Rasmus straight up would probably be fair), that would be awesome.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coolio
I have Edwin Jackson and wainwright @ P already, and can keep carpenter for a 15% discount. Sounds good, the help is appreciated
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice pitching rotation, Jackson broke out last year, and Wainwright with the wins… sick
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wins dont count in our league
only QS. But I’m pretty happy with it, I’ll get to keep them both cheaply for another 2-3 years w00t
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a very interesting league I gotta say
definitely will keep everyone involved really focused on baseball all winter. We manage everything down to the team’s Arizona league for cryin out loud. Kind of insane.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Woa, it’s almost like you should spend more time with your league than you should with work, sounds complicated
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a little crazy
I’m pretty sure I’m going to get destroyed, but all I wanna do is figure out how baseball works. I’m pretty down with football and who the best players are and why, but baseball is still mostly a mystery to me, especially the prospects.
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ended up
I got Fowler/Hammel/Buchholz/Daley
for
Rasmus/Ankeil/Prospect Lynn/25th overall pick
IDK, seems OK for this kind of league
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by bondslegend on Nov 13, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im hyperactive and hypoglycemic…im a hyper hypo
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 12, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
want some chocolate?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, there’s no sugar in Pixie Stix.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record...
From Wikipedia, these are the criteria for MVP. For an award given by writers, it’s (un)remarkably poorly written:
“There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier. The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:
1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.
2. Number of games played.
3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.
4. Former winners are eligible.
5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.
You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from one to ten. A tenth-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all ten places on your ballot. Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, and that includes pitchers and designated hitters. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration.”
The rules specifically say that pitchers are eligible. And frankly, why not? I mean, if you could only keep one player from the 2009 Giants, who would it be?
by Bad Horse on Nov 12, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it would be the one that won the cy young award
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by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 12, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
… I really dislike the idea that your MVP worthiness depends on how well your team does, or even worse, whether your team would have made the playoffs without you.
When I look at past MVPs and see that Johnny Bench was the NL MVP in 1972, I want to think,
Johnny Bench was the best player that year.
not
Johnny Bench was the best player that year, who not only 1) played for a playoff team (unlike Awesome Slugger X, whose team’s pitching staff was so bad they finished in last place) but 2) played for a team that would not have made the playoffs without him, (unlike Awesome Slugger Y, whose team won their division by 15 games and therefore didn’t need him at all).
Because then looking at the past winners makes things so much less meaningful.
by Bad Horse on Nov 12, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
FUCK ME
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/heyman-on-damon-lackey-crede.html
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL FRED!!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 12, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish people would stop saying this.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ALL TIRES MUST BE KICKED
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 12, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t want to fuck say hey nation? Your loss.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 12, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am tired of them doing it themselves and not sharing.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you resist...
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eeek
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
by SFGuy on Nov 12, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebodies kicking some tires. Woo Hoo?
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 12, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
31 votes?
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 12, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sports blogger =/= to basic arithmetic
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond the Boxscore maybe?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The SB Nation baseball blog masters.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shit, i knew someone would get that…. GO MICHIGAN SCREW COACH VEST :)
by PiKAgiant on Nov 12, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WAR says:
Albert Pujols 8.4
Tim Lincecum 8.2
Chase Utley 7.6
Hanley Ramirez 7.3
Ryan Zimmerman 7.1
Prince Fielder 6.8
Javier Vazquez 6.6
Adrian Gonzalez 6.3
Danny Haren 6.1
Matt Holliday 5.7 (both leagues)
Ubaldo Jimenez 5.7
Adam Wainwright 5.7
Chris Carpenter 5.6
Troy Tulowitzki 5.4
Derrek Lee 5.3
Pablo Sandoval 5.2
Matt Kemp 5.0
Nyjer Morgan 4.9
Ryan Braun 4.8
Ryan Howard 4.8
Jayson Werth 4.7
Justin Upton 4.5
Joey Votto 4.4
Brian McCann 4.4
Raul Ibanez 4.2
Michael Bourn 4.2
Yunel Escobar 4.1
Mark Reynolds 3.9
Todd Helton 3.6
Yadier Molina 3.4
Andre Ethier 2.5
Juan Pierre 1.8
Adam Dunn 1.2
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Nov 12, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Job done indeed.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL JUAN
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
by CB30 on Nov 12, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There were two votes each for Vazquez at #7 and Haren at #9, which means that exactly two voters must have gone with a straight-ahead top-10 WAR ballot. But they were split between Jimenez and Wainwright at #10.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Nov 12, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nice!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what this means, but I like it.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure that is pickled Norwegian Troll on the table in front of the guy wearing red. Maybe Lars just walked in the door on him?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With my pants around my ankles!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VAPORS
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Nov 12, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Careful. Or you will put an eye out.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 12, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lolwut?
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOLars
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 12, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice!
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Inspiration for
Posey: Off Season BP
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 13, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Wrong hole.
/ waits for the “set” to be “spiked”.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 13, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 13, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Nov 13, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is disturbing
/keeps watching over and over
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 13, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love how Posey-head keeps his eye on the “ball” all the way through the swing. Good mechanics.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOLars
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did we pickup Torrealba yet?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 12, 2009 9:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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