Right-handed hitters and the power of money
by Grant on Nov 11, 2009 11:38 AM PST
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Today's goal: stopping the "Free agent hitters won't come to the Giants because of the huge ballpark" myth. I don't know for certain it's a myth, mind you, but I have a pretty good idea. I'm not out there, talking to free agent hitters, hearing them laugh off suggestions that AT&T Park will depress their numbers. But here's my logic:
Point #1
AT&T Park isn't a pitcher's park any more. It was a few years ago. Now it's not. Ballparks are funny like that. Last year, AT&T Park was actually more favorable to hitters. To simplify park factors to an embarrassing degree: take the runs scored by the Giants at home and on the road, take the runs scored by their opponents during the same games, and figure out how all of the runs were distributed*. It's more complicated than that, but the important point to note is that park factors have nothing to do with how good or bad a particular offense is in a given season.
Point #2
Agents know things that will make them more money. Their hearts pump not blood, but a viscous, green sludge that is made from liquified hundred dollar bills and the tears of children who were just told their favorite player signed with the Yankees. This change doesn't just occur in nature; they have to work toward it. And if the Giants are offering $1M more to the client of an agent, which would mean that the agent's cut would be substantially more if the player would sign with the Giants, the agent needs to have information at his disposal that might ease the concerns of his client. So agents all know about park factors. They're intimately aware of them because not being familiar with them could cost them millions of dollars.
If a player has to choose between a couple of teams, it's not the agent who has to find parking in the Haight on a Saturday night. He doesn't care where the player ends up, apart from the standard close-working-relationship platitudes that can disappear quickly over a million dollar difference. So the agent needs to be able to say, "Look, that place gets a bad rap, but it's really not a pitcher's park anymore. People think of it like the Astrodome or Petco Park, but it's just not like that."
That's the bulk of the argument, but I don't really see how it's refutable with anything other than the idea that some agents might have been locked in a closet as kids by a bunch of numbers and facts, like Brian Sabean was, but that's a stretch. Good agents and even mediocre agents would know this; it would take an especially bad agent to tell Jason Bay or Matt Holliday, gee, maybe that scary park does gobble up home runs, so take less money elsewhere.
Comparatively high state taxes? Cost of living? Home runs disappearing for one-dimensional, left-handed power hitters? Those are legitimate reasons why free agent hitters might not want to come to San Francisco when they could go somewhere else for the same money. AT&T Park as an offense-suppressing bogeyman? Get outta here. And agents know it.
* For example: The Giants scored two of their three runs this season at home, therefore AT&T Park was a "hitter's park."
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I tend to think that AT&T isn't hostile to hitters
But it is somewhat hostile to Dingerz.
And a lot of hitter don’t want to see their HR count drop, even if it’s replaced with a few more triples/doubles.
I don’t really have the numbers to back it up on me, but my impression has been that AT&T is a hitter’s park, but not a home run hitter’s park.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 11, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hence the Aaron Rowand effect
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by SabeanPlusBochyEqualsEpicFailure on Nov 11, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems difficult for LHH to hit HR at AT&T but I don’t think it’s that difficult to hit them to LF.
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by jponry on Nov 11, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
update
I got a couple numbers to back myself up, preliminarily:
AT&T is ranked #10 in total runs scored (pretty impressive considering the home team), but it’s ranked #20 in home runs hit.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would also say that could have to do with the home team.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But that doesn’t account for why AT&T would be 10th in run production but 20th in HRs.
I think it’s a fair statement to say that AT&T is a hitter’s park that depresses home runs.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 11, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is, I just don’t think that the plain totals tell that story very well. We know that the Giants were a bad power-hitting team that had a lot of success (much of it probably luck) driving baserunners home. 10th in runs scored and 20th in home runs reflects that rather well, but all it means about the ballpark is that Giants don’t hit home runs there. Which we know. Because they’re bad at hitting home runs.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Luck? I daresay you’re overlooking veteran clutchosity.
by Wazl on Nov 11, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the curse of the Internets nerd.
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by groug on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I was careful to account for non-veteran unclutchitude.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What rankings are we using, exactly? If they’re aggregate totals, you have a point. If we’re using component park factors for the 10th and 20th rankings, then it’s not a fair point, because it’s taken in context and it doesn’t matter that the Giants are not a power hitting team.
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just assumed we were talking aggregate. Maybe I’m wrong, but there’s no indication that he means anything else.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there is something to take into consideration though. out of the power hitting right handed bats in the national league, which are actually in the west who would come to SF more than a single 2-3 game series in a season to have effect on that total? there is what, manny and mark reynolds and thats about it. those two as well as most right handed power bats havent had any problem hitting homeruns in AT&T. it’s just that a majority of them are on teams in divisions that dont frequent the ballpark, thus not having as much of an effect on the HR total and feeding into the myth.
the other myth buster for lefty bats you could use was Ishikawa’s year. he couldnt seem to hit his way out of a paper bag on the road both average wise or HR wise, yet went off at home and a majority of his HR’s were all in AT&T. the other thing is the fact that there are a number of joke ballparks that are easy to hit HRs (Philly, Cinci, Houston, etc.) so a ballpark that in a lot of ways plays pretty even gets dumped down on the list.
by dannyschmanny on Nov 16, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
StatCorner has some cool park factors. I’m not sure how updated they are but they seem to make pretty good sense for AT&T.
PARK FACTORS K: 97.4 GB: 103.2 BB: 97.6 OF: 94.8 1B: 101.8 LD: 100.6 2B: 101.3 IF: 89.7 3B: 119.1 HBP: 89.1 HR/FB: 86.1 R: 100.2
Overall, an average run-scoring ballpark. Hard on HR’s (I think only Petco and a few other NL parks are harder on HRs) but one of the best parks to hit triples in.
by xanthan on Nov 11, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Like it or not, home run numbers are looked at for sluggers. And it’s hard to make an argument to someone like Matt Holliday that, sure, you’ll hit better here, you’ll just have 5-10 less homers. I think that’s a hard sell to a slugger, who, fairly or not, can be judged on their home run counts.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 11, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there’s a huge difference between RH home runs and LH home runs, but I can’t find the stats right now.
/kicks xanthan…work, damn you…
by Grant on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OUCH
Yeah, that’s just an overall park factor for HR’s. I’m betting that the overall number is getting dragged down by left-handed hitters. I’m not sure where to find PF’s by batter handedness.
by xanthan on Nov 11, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes Bonds that much more amazing!
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...and Kent
Who drove the ball out of our park pretty well himself.
The LH and RH evidence it can be done. Any ballplayer complaining about the dimensions are just that. Complainers.
by armzdealr on Nov 11, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for some reason
I read that last sentence as “not sure where to find PF’s by batter handsomeness”
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 11, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t that at baseballrefrence under “McSteamism”?
by tyrannoman on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Handsome batters can’t hit HRs at AT&T. It’s the JT Snow effect.
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I offer further proof
I’ve never hit a HR at AT&T Park.
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reply fail?
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by groug on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't you generate the park factors?!
/joking
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by baetown415 on Nov 11, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, for a RHH, our park factor is basically normal across the board. It’s mostly skewed for LHH’s, helping gap power and hurting HR power (ultimately being pretty even in the end).
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday hits a lot of HRs the opposite way. (I pulled that out of jcb9’s ass, but I think it’s true)
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by cornball on Nov 11, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RBI’s are an important stat, too, and while the HR’s would be down slightly, reducing the RBI total by that number on the one hand, for a line drive power hitter (not a Dave Kingman or McGwire type), I believe that the batting average will go up by 15-20 points, equaling 45-60 hits (based on 300 ABs at AT&T, which would add an additional 20-35 RBI’s potentially, which the agents like a whole lot more than 5-10 HR’s. If a power hitter leads the league in Extra Base Hits and drives in 110 or more runs, the HR# is nearly irrelevant.
Give me a guy who hits .360 and leads the league in triples, doubles and OPS, and I will give you a VERY high priced free agent when he is next available….and I will give you a winner.
by CplaneLawr on Nov 15, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RBI is a useless stat.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 15, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lars, this guys has been called a baseball genius by over 20 major league players, including some all-stars.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 15, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
worse than useless
they are misleading
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by zenbitz on Nov 17, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to send this info to Chone Figgins. If Holliday would require more money under this scenario, perhaps Figgins would require less.
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by rotorueter on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted I am kind of new to discovering some of the saber stuff, but why would K and BB be accounted for in park factors? Isn’t that kind of independent of ballparks and more to do with who is pitching, who is at the plate and the umpire’s strike zone?
by Hobbes2d on Nov 11, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about BB, but the afternoon shadows and back drop would probably make a difference in the K totals.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess foul territory would have an effect, too. More fouls ball outs = less K’s/BB’s.
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if he’s pitching in a big yard, a pitcher who gets into a three-ball count might just throw it right down the middle and let the park do his job for him. But in tighter confines, where he knows such a pitch has a good chance of clearing the fence, he’ll try to paint the corner. Result: more K’s, more BB’s. (I have no idea if this holds in practice, as I utterly failed to find xanthan’s StatCorner park factors.)
by taliesin on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are Splits Available?
I would bet AT&T is netural on HRs for right handed pull hitters but even more negative then 86% for lefties and righthanded gap to gap hitters. This by the way could be a reason why the Giants seem to like Bay better the Holliday. If you look at Holliday’s HRs on hit tracter you will see more then jsut a few to right center field while almost all of Bay’s go to LF or straightaway CF.
by giantsrainman on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By The Way, RCF Is What I See As Being What Has Depressed Rowand's HR Totals
If you look at his hit tracker for 2007 in Philly or 2004 in Chicago you will see a significant number to RCF. Another bat that the Giants are rumored in on (Uggla) is like Bay very much a pure pull hitter when it comes to his HRs.l
by giantsrainman on Nov 11, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced hitters give a damn about park factors
If they did, then why have the Rockies NEVER acquired a player by any means who had hit 30 HR’s in a season before getting there? Well actually, this year they got their first with Jason Giambi, who was 95*% washed up and having to hit in the post-humidor area anyway.
I’m guessing that players generally follow the cash, and stadium considerations are a low-ranking factor. I’d be curious to see if anyone’s correlated FA money to park factors (inversely for hitters).
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by achiappanza on Nov 12, 2009 2:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Bad Horse on Nov 11, 2009 11:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pulitzer stuff
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by 49er16 on Nov 11, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
* For example: The Giants scored two of their three runs this season at home, therefore AT&T Park was a “hitter’s park.”
Them there is facts, folks.
by deuce deuce on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
3 runs at best
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by ringleader3 on Nov 11, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You did it wrong.
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by Lyle on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RHH pull hitters do well in May Field until pitchers learn to stay on the outside of the plate.
The thing that Giants pitchers do very well and that other teams are starting to learn is that you pitch to the large part of the yard.
After typing this, it seems ridiculously simplistic, but it really is the truth.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 11, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I remember that strategy not working so well in Moises’s last year.
The Giants very definitely pitch to the park though.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
which is why this team needs good hitters. A good right handed hitter will take that outside pitch and attempt to drive it into triples alley. The ones we have attempt to pull it and hit an Aurilia to the SS.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 11, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/swings over slider
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by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He learned this from Shawon Dunston, who absolutely refuses to cheat the game in any way.
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by cornball on Nov 11, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Having seen Posey more than a few times, I am confident that he will hit more than a few opposite field to triples alley and off the wall.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 11, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LULZ
and hit an Aurilia to the SS
love it.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aurilias
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Especially Raquel.
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by Natto on Nov 12, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kent
I suspect this is what Jeff Kent learned to do, and why he became such a great hitter. I would love to see Kent’s hit charts over his years with the Giants. I’d especially like to see if his hit charts show a marked difference between his first season with the Giants, and his ensuing seasons with them, or if there was much difference between 1999 (final season at the Stick) and 2000-2002 (seasons at Mays Field).
After his first season with the Giants (which statistically mostly resembled his previous five pedestrian seasons), Kent transformed into a great hitter. In my recollection, it seems like one key for Kent may have been having more success discerning between the inner half pitch that he could turn on and yank out of the park to left, and the outer half pitch, up, that he could drive into the RCF gap. Before 1998, it seemed like Kent tended to try to pull most pitches to left. But I think Kent found a lot of his success learning to drive balls to right center.
At Candlestick, the RCF gap featured that nice jet stream that carried balls out into the alleyway, and sometimes over the fence. Lots of doubles and HRs there. I remember Dale Murphy, in particular, just wore that area out whenever he came to town. At Mays Field, of course, that area yields little-to-nothing in the way of home runs, but plenty of triples. In his three years at the ’Stick, Kent had one home triple. In his three seasons at Mays Field he had nine.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 12, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With the Giants though, nothing is simple.
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by 49er16 on Nov 11, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t make as much sense of this article as, say, Xanthan would, but it seems like the Big Phone (and, not so coincidentally, the Oakland Coliseum) suffer more negatively from temperature effects than any other ballparks.
Solution: promise free agent RHH that we’ll place a giant glass dome over the Bay Area.
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by Kitspool on Nov 11, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
or play more day games
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Nov 11, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better yet, schedule a day game after every night game. Then you could rest Molina, who would be coming off a night game, and start Posey, giving him better weather conditions to run DINGERZ.exe. Brilliant!
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by Kitspool on Nov 11, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate two things
I hate that you assume Molina will be back next season.
I hate that you are probably right.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 11, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joel Sherman is not the most reliable source in the world, but he said today that the Mets are willing to give Molina two years. No more than that, but two years should be enough to keep him signing with the Giants.
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by rxmeister on Nov 11, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“from signing with the Giants,” I meant.
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by rxmeister on Nov 11, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scared me for a second.
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by SFGuy on Nov 11, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My heart skipped several beats
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
METS BRASSZ
GITURDUN METS BRASSZZZ!!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 12, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More day games is always a good thing.
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by bgunn on Nov 11, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
especially when lincecum
goes 8 innings, gives up zero, while striking out 12 on only a 100 pitches
by sfoakbay on Nov 11, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a giant glass dome
Simpsons did it
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WINNING
that’s what players gravitate towards, at least any player worth having. Which is problematic for the Giants.
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is not true
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 11, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This might be true
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IT'S TOTALLY TRUE
Except for those instances when it is completely false.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is true, for some players.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you are being offered 180/8 years by the yankees and 180/7 years by the Orioles most people would sign with the yankees
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I would.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
eff that. That’s a lot of money either way, and you’d get out sooner.
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I value winning, so I guess I would go with the Yankees, as messed up as that sounds
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by CB30 on Nov 11, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d also rather be in New York than Baltimore.
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by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
City-wise, I mean. Aside from issues of winning.
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by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
baltimore is lame, but I wouldn’t want to live in NY, NFW. Fame isn’t at all important to me. Maybe if I was a vain athlete it would be though.
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, I wouldn’t want to live in Minnesota, NFW, so pbbbbbbbbbbbbbtt.
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by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well I wouldn’t want to live in Omaha, NFW. Wait. Oh. Fuck my life.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 11, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well I wouldn’t want to live in Omaha Tallahassee, NFW. Wait. Oh. Fuck my life.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m here for you, jcb. We can cry together.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 11, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL JCB
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 11, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IT’S TRUE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT SAN FRANCISCANS BEING SMUG ELITISTS!!!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE
DON’T MAKE ME DROP MY WINE AND CHEESE
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 11, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THIS POST HAS WARM TONES AND A CRISP FINISH
F. the Lewis.
by calpolynate on Nov 11, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A BUTTERY MOUTHFEEL
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH I’M DETECTING NUTTINESS
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by Natto on Nov 11, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Wine is a Sweet Shiraz?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SAN FRANCISCANS BEING SMUG ELITISTS
Simpsons South Park did it
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG—what have you done, JCB!?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JOKES ON YOU AHOLE
I live in FARGO! HAH.
Wait. Oh. Fuck my life.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but you’re from Minnesota, I believe, and there ain’t no Major League team (or running water) in the Dakotas.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am indeed
and Minnesota is about 5 minutes east of me. Fargo ain’t THAT bad, seriously.
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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
I won’t be saying that in a month
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would pay to play
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I miss playing baseball.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 11, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, never mix politics and baseball
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
by daveinexile on Nov 11, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn singed with the Nats so he could win
not because they paid him more than anyone else.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he was not getting offers, is why he’s Natto’d
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington DC is known for its great musicians.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Nov 11, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nat Cole?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Clinton?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 12, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
George Clinton?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
H.R.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This just in – burning yourself won’t lead to more wins.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 11, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a hot discovery
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The cost of living isn’t really a valid argument either considering FAs flock to both LA teams.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention New York
NY does have a high cost of living doesn’t it?
by Shoeless on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Three things NY/LA teams have that SF doesn’t:
- Big payroll
- Higher probability of making it to the playoffs like, NOW
- 24/7 media attention
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
chicks. don’t forget the chicks.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but New York overpays by enough that it’s a nonissue.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 11, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right plus you can be a celeb and date hot actresses and models, be on SportsCenter every night, get more endoresements, blah blah…
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
by esseffgeez on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their hearts pump not blood, but a viscous, green sludge that is made from liquified hundred dollar bills and the tears of children who were just told their favorite player signed with the Yankees.
Reminds me of one of my favorite South Park episodes
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/164373/
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also scroll down on McC!
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by Natto on Nov 11, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s way too much work.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beg pardon
I still don’t see it anywhere on McC. What am I missing?
by Shoeless on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a fanshot
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/11/11/1126430/giants-pursuing-uggla
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they’re easy to miss
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always thought ballpark factor is pretty much completely random from year to year. All this bad hitting has just made ATT seem like a pitcher’s park in recent years. I mean, come on, let’s not forget Kevin Elster…
by The Franchise on Nov 11, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OT
I think SneakToBetterSeats has given up on us and moved on to Facebook:
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hear they have great schools in Canada.
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by Natto on Nov 11, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They go to Grade 13!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UNBELIEVABLE
/Kuip
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like, yeah, you’re getting pretty good education in grade 12, but when you need a little more, you just go up to 13.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Nov 11, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta think that park factors are influenced at least in some part by the defense playing, aren’t they?
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 11, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
All Baseball Statistics or Correlational
…and yet very little (if any) of the analysis is. Something to consider.
by CoJax on Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
?
I really don’t know what this means.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As an example, one player’s average is dependent on a multitude of variables: the pitcher’s he faces, the pitches they throw, whether or not players are on base, how many outs there are when they come to the plate, which direction the wind is blowing, who is playing defense on a particular day, etc., etc.
So, looked at in isolation just about any fan would decree that a .300 batting average is “good” (like the year F. Sanchez won the batting title). However, if a player puts up a .300 batting average against inferior pitchers and then moves to the Giants then our expectation of that player SHOULDN’T be that he hits .300 again. We need to base our expectations on the player’s abilities given his new expected circumstances.
My issue is that many of the arguments here, MLB Trade Rumors, ESPN, etc. are based in isolation. “So and so doesn’t have a good OBP. So and so is slow as dirt. As a result of these arguments they should not be on the Giants”. When I have time (I almost wrote “if” but I’m determined to make time at some point), I intend to look into correlational statistics as they relate to baseball. When completed, I hope that it will shed new light on decisions like, “Will paying Chone Figgins $8M a season and paying Nick Johnson $6/season be a better total investment (meaning more victories) than addiing Jason Bay at $12M per season”?
Simply put, ALL baseball situations and decisions are related. We need to start statistically thinking globally.
by CoJax on Nov 11, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
However, if a player puts up a .300 batting average against inferior pitchers and then moves to the Giants then our expectation of that player SHOULDN’T be that he hits .300 again. We need to base our expectations on the player’s abilities given his new expected circumstances.
Hitting .300 “against inferior pitchers” is something that tends to balance out over time. Unless a manager is intentionally protecting a hitter from good pitching, it’s unlikely that Player X will face a significantly higher percentage of bad pitchers than Player Y over the long haul. There are league differences and such to account for, yes, but there are also ways to account for them. There are also systems out there for determining players’ relative salary values.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t doubt the Law of Large Numbers but I do believe that the spot that a player hits in the line-up makes them prone to hitting under certain circumstances. The one reason why I didn’t complain as much as others on this site when Winn hit 3rd was that he had a surprisingly great situational average with runners on base.
I’d love for the G-men to pick up Johnson and Figgins because like any semi-intelligent fan I recorgnize that the quality they missed most last season was having runners on base. I’d simply like to validate my feeling through correlational analysis. What should the expectation for Johnson be if he’s hitting 3rd predominantly against the Pitchers likely to staff NL West teams other than the Giants? How will defensive adjustments made by other teams affect the outcome of the deals the Giants make? Dodgers lose a Gold Glover at 2b? What if Randy Wolf goes elsewhere?
Oh and I’m not attempting to pioneer any efforts. I just don’t generally trust statistics utilized by “news” organizations. The purpose of those organizations distorts the information, imo.
by CoJax on Nov 11, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, strength of competition does matter when you change leagues, especially to or from the AL East.
I think it can be safely ignored for non-relievers other than that, though.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure there are studies regarding correlational statistics as they relate to baseball somewhere out there. Just not sure where
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Davenport translations? I’m still not sure what a correlational statistic is.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 11, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't either
But there’re mounds of baseball research out there, so whatever it is CoJax is talking about, it probably has already been visited.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 11, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correlation is the study of imbedded influence between separate entities or things. For example, there is a correlation between my ex-wife yelling at me (when we were married) and how bad a day I was having. Or a Giants example, there is a correlation between the Giants winning and me having a good day. There can be positive, negative or zero correlation.
A simple WAR example to demonstrate my theory concerning correlation and baseball statistics:
If I understand it correctly, WAR measures how many “wins” one player is worth over an average replacement. If this is an incorrect understanding please feel free to correct.
So, if player A has a war of +3.6 and player B has a war of +2.1 then it would be easy to assume that signing both players to the G’s would seem to better them by +5.7 wins.
My postulate is that signing two above average players actually increases your win total by MORE than the sum of their respective WARs. This is because good players playing with other good players has a correlattion with winning percentage. Put another way, the sum of the parts is greater than the individual pieces.
I promise to explore this issue more at some point during the off-season and maybe it’ll result in my first Fan post at some point ;o)
by CoJax on Nov 12, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sound interesting
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 12, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
next you will tell me
That baseball is a team sport!
There actually should be a small non-linear cooperation effect in offense. Simply because the slower you make outs (higher OBP) the more PAs you get. So a team with a good offense, will, over the season have more PAs than a bad one.
However, I don’t think that the players individual RATES change much at all, with the exception of intentional BBs
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Nov 13, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that it would slightly improve the rate stats as well as a team that has more PA per game would end up facing more bullpen pitching or more fatigued pitchers. That’d only be a tiny effect though and probably not noticeable over other fluctuations.
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by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but many statistics are adjusted for the factors you mention. I’m pretty sure, for example, that Baseball Prospectus does strength-of-schedule adjustments to PECOTA, for example.
by Dan from NM on Nov 11, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the myth has legs
It’s the same reason they barely discussed Mark Teixeira last winter. This is the same franchise, remember, that was spurned after trying to sign Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee. Some of that money eventually ended up going to Aaron Rowand. Most hitters just don’t want to come to AT&T Park.
from extra baggs: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/11/10/hot-stove-notes-molina-is-type-a-personality-a-pudgy-alternative-holliday-vs-bay/#more-2346
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
just ask helton
… or any of the left-handed “mashers” who competed in the lack-of-homerun derby at the all-star game. no slugger wants to play here.
by giantdonkey on Nov 11, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Vlad did alright
/begins to weep
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by Natto on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"I always hit great here"
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, if we had signed Vlad— no Jeff Hammonds, Dusty Hermanson, Jay Mohr, Jay Payton, AJ Conte, Katt Williams, Mark Portugal, and Tom Co….
/tumbling down stairs
Blehhh!
by Giant Homer on Nov 11, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The worst thing about that link: the reminder that, in Sabean’s scenario where we’d signed Vlad, we wouldn’t have made the Pierzynski trade.
/sobs
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Nov 11, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and then we could have traded brian wilson for bj upton
bj upton for jayson werth, jayson werth for matt kemp. matt kemp for ryan howard, and ryan howard for albert pujols
by sfoakbay on Nov 11, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
..which is why this post is about right-handed “mashers”.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 11, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at the very least the headline is about RHH.
The rest of the post, not so much.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Nov 11, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I accidentally left out a sentence of the intro, but when has concern for comprehension ever motivated me?
by Grant on Nov 11, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of RHH's....
Reed Johnson might make a nice platoon partner with Fred in left
/holding onto fleeting dream
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 11, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fred? Don’t you mean “Eugenio”?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 11, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Eugenio need a platoon partner?
He’s a switch hitter! You should really think your comments through.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Nov 11, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, sorry
HE HAD THAT HOT STREAK AFTER HE GOT CALLED BACK UP
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 11, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So how much does pitching factor into the 20th in HR ranking? You have to look at that too. It’s not as simple as just looking at hitting and the Giants offensive offense.
by FutureDaydream on Nov 11, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
because eugenio cannot hit righty and torres cannot hit lefty, so thus platoon.
Makes sense to me.
by sonofabelch on Nov 11, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but we have to take into account what Dan Uggla will cost in terms of prospects before we can make that evaluation.
The baseball Satanist
by thehavenot on Nov 11, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell the free agents that!
If a fat old slow catcher named Bengie Molina can hit 20 homers certainly a guy like you ie; Holiday, or Bay, can easily hit 30. Note giants hit better at home by far than away, and hit better for power at home as opposed to away (on the road). If a skinny guy like Velez can hit one out to center, certainly a strong power hitter like Bay, or Holliday can hit the ball out anywhere.
by sonofabelch on Nov 11, 2009 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 11, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who died?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 11, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DNW BAY DNWDNW
D
N
W
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does the unbalanced schedule factor in? (Or should it?)
NL West Teams play an inordinate number of games in non-HR parks…I would think that would compound the issue.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They also play an inordinate number of games in pro-HR parks. The NL West has AT&T, which is roughly “fair,” but then Dodger Stadium and especially Petco that are dramatically pro-pitcher and the BOB and especially Coors that are dramatically pro-hitter. The division as a whole has to be close to neutral.
by taliesin on Nov 12, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Coors depends on Humidor shenanigans.
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by scout6 on Nov 12, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But even with the humidor Coors is the most offensive park in baseball.
by taliesin on Nov 12, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Surely that monstrosity in Tampa is the most offensive?
by DrStankus on Nov 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with the first point is that it’s more about perception than reality. The reality is that RHH aren’t suppressed but the perception amongst players and the media is that they are and that’s what ends up mattering.
The second point is true though in that money will be the over-riding factor in where players end up going.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Nov 13, 2009 9:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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