Giants Pursuing Uggla
Interest in Uggla ... at third base — 10:51 a.m.
The two teams showing the most interest in Marlins second baseman Dan Uggla would move him to third base.
The Giants and Orioles are the clubs in strongest pursuit of Uggla, according to major-league sources.
The Red Sox also have inquired, envisioning Uggla as a potential replacement for free agent Jason Bay in left field.
Uggla, 29, projects to earn approximately $8 million in arbitration. But in four major-league seasons, he has averaged 30 homers and 90 RBIs.
For the Giants, he would represent a more affordable addition than Bay or Matt Holliday. The Giants would play Uggla at third, Edgar Renteria at shortstop, Freddy Sanchez at second and Pablo Sandoval at first.
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If we did acquire Uggla, would it make more sense to keep him at 2b and shift Sanchez to 3rd? Uggla hasn’t played 3b since 2005 in the minors.
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I agree.
Keep him at 2B move Sanchez. I don’t like the idea of Uggla at 3B and I don’t like the idea of Pablo at 1B.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 11, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Better than at 1B.
And C would only be temporary. You think Uggla would be a defensive improvement at 3B?
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Not at all. He’d be a terrible 3B I’m sure. But I like Sanchez at 3B over Panda. I’m sure Panda would be easier to hide at 1B than he would at 3B.
Why do we need to hide Sandoval? He’s not a half bad defensive 3B. If anyone of those three needs to be “hidden”, it’s Uggla.
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
He plays 2B b/c the Fish want to raise his trade value
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt it
Sanchez is a much better fielder. I’d think you’d want to put the better fielder at the more demanding defensive position. So unless Uggla just has a terrible arm such that he can’t play 3B, third base is where he should go. Or LF, for that matter. It’s not like they’re after him for his glove.
Actually Their Is No Measureable Difference In How Demanding 2B Is Vs 3B
Both positions share the same +2.5 positional adjustment as does CF by the way.
by giantsrainman on Nov 11, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I was under the impression that the positional adjustment is meant to compensate for how players who play that position hit. Since 3B and 2B hit pretty close to the same, it would make sense that the adjustement would be the same. But second basemen handle the ball a lot more than third basemen.
The evidence does say that those who get significant innings at both positions both put up similar defensive numbers at both positions.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Same Positional Adjustment Obviously Doesn't Mean Same Skill Set But It Does Mean Same Defensive Value.
The question one needs to answer to determine whom should play which position (if you have and want to start both) is which combination provides the Giants the best overall defense? We know alot about their skills at 2B (Sanchez career +5.8 UZR/150 vs Uggla career -2.9) and a little about Sanchez’s skills at 3B (career +17.9 UZR/150 in 1340 innings). From this we can conclude that Sanchez is almost 9 runs better the Uggla at 2B so the question left to resolve is how much better at 3B is Sanchez the Uggla? If Sanchez’s advantage at 3B is more then his 9 run advantage at 2B then Sanchez should should play 3B if it is less then Sanchez should play 2B.
If the above ends up with Sanchez at 2B then we have to decide if we are better of defensively with Sandoval or Uggla at 3B. Here too we know a little about Sandoval at 3B (career -3.6 UZR/150) and less about Uggla with having just concluded that he has less then 9 run disadvantage compared to Sanchez.
My bet though is that the Giants will make no effort to figure this out and will instead just go with playing all three players at positions they have suceeded at before at the MLB level. This means Uggla at 2B, Sanchez at 3B, and Sandoval at 1B. This is in my mind likely to result in the best overall defense but we really just don’tknow this for sure until we know what kind of 3B and 1B defense Uggla can play.
by giantsrainman on Nov 11, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
No, it’s based on defensive value. It has to be, since 3B and 2B don’t hit close to the same.
If you’re trying to get all players in baseball onto the same scale, which is the goal of WAR, you don’t care about how they hit relative to their positions; what you care about is the value of playing those positions. Which you quantify by measuring how a player performs defensively when shifted from one position to another.
UZR measurements indicate that third basemen who move to second do just as well, as a group, as “true” second baseman, and vice versa. I still can’t completely accept that, but that’s the justification for the two positions having the same positional adjustment.
So I read this and this here by TangoTiger and this seems to be a rather complex and somewhat controversial topic. It appears that my original understanding was once state-of-the-art, but that I have fallen behind the times, and now folks use this complicated method of determining which positions are most difficult to play. Thanks for the explanation.
i’d still be cool with an uggla acquisition but i’m not giving up MadBum or Neal for him.
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I really think a package of Alderson, Barnes, and Frandsen would get it done.
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by can of corn on Nov 11, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Grant, you don't know anything
There is no player on the Giants named “Frandsen”.
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That's why I'm certain it would be Neal!
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You like Neal more than Bumgarner?
I feel the opposite of that.
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ditto… I think a lot of people here are guilty of inflating Neal’s value a little bit because we’re so desperate for offense.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 11, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 11, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Substitute Uggla for Hanley and you have a deal…
by Rusty the Robot on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Hanley plays in AAA Fresno.
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We’re not really going to play Renteria next season, are we?
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by The Gene Hackman on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions
Of course we are.
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I know he’s not a rookie, but I’d rather have Burris than Sanchez
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Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
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And don’t forget Bocock after him. We’re actually pretty stacked at shortstop right now.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
And Frandsen can play some SS as well...
technically.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 11, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Want
So hard.
We have some depth in non-pitching prospects. We might have to lose an McC favorite, but to get a young talent like Uggs, hoo boy.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
Eh, true
But he’s been an extremely consistent player without any injury issues to speak of. He’s never OPS’d below 800 in any season he’s played.
At least we wouldn’t have to worry about body parts flying off like with Sanchez.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
Agreed. I can’t get on-board until I see the price, but at least we are having negotiations regarding the right types of players.
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Although, quick questions
Why would we move Uggs to 3rd instead of moving Sanchez?
I seem to recall some discussion of Sanchez at one point moving to 3b? Am I making that up?
Or, hell, have uggs play 1B and keep panda there. whatever.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
Sanchez is a good defensive 2B, Uggla isn’t.
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I don’t know enough about Uggla to have any idea how he’d fare in a move to 3b, but moving Pablo to 1b and keeping Sanchez at 2b seems like the best option to me.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 11, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
If Uggla is at 3rd and " Crow hop" Renteria is back at SS we might beon the wrong side of seeing a lot of INF hits.
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but do you really want to see a middle infield duo of uggla and renteria?
no matter how you slice it, there are going to be some weaknesses in the infield. but i think the best opportunity to turn some of those weaknesses into strengths would be moving uggla to 3b where his range wouldn’t be as much of an issue. although i suppose if we thought that pablo would be a better 3b than uggla i could see moving uggla to 1b and keeping panda at 3rd. But i see no justification whatsoever for moving sanchez off of second.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
1B for Uggla makes the most sense IMO. Why on earth would you want to put Uggla at 3B.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 11, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Uggla is like 5 feet tall
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Really? I thought Uggla was listed at like 5’8"
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b-r has him as 5’11".
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I am in this camp. Yes, a sub 6 foot right hander is not ideal at first abse but it will work. The wOBA would almost be league average for a 1st baseman. Of coarse price trumps the whole thing.
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I’m here. I don’t understand the assumption that Uggla needs to move to 3B. 1B is just fine.
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Uggla needs to move to 1B more than Pablo does.
by Missing Barry on Nov 12, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
After this, Pablo moves to CF!
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People look at Pablo’s defense at 3B and say, OK, let’s move him to 1B to accomodate a better defender. And that then becomes engrained in their minds so that they don’t realize that replacing Sandoval with Uggla in a move that’s supposed to improve defense is ludicrous.
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I’d rather just pay one of the free agent first basemen rather than give up a prospect for Uggla.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Yeah i’m suprised that so many people would be on board for such a chronic waste of resources.
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It depends on the prospects
It might be that the Fish just want to dump Uggla’s $8M salary would give him up for some package of fringey prospects like Pucetas and Rohlinger. I think just about everyone here would do that. Neal, Bumgarner, or Wheeler? Uh, no. Sign Johnson or Delgado.
This is where I am. Why trade the prospect Sabean would give up for Uggla just to basically fill the 1B hole when you can just sign Nick Johnson or Carlos Delgado? If we could add Uggla AND a 1B it would make some sense, but I don’t see why it makes much sense to trade anything good at all for a .800 OPS guy with pretty terrible defense.
Thing A
I would welcome this
But only if the prospects are right (Not Neal, MadBum).
I really like the idea of Sanchez moving to 3rd, and Uggla staying at 2nd. Any competent GM would then put Uribe at SS (Renteria=sunk cost). We could actually have a very good lineup, if we had good people in charge:
Lewis LF
Bowker RF
Sandoval 1B
Uggla 2B
Sanchez 3B
Uribe SS
Rowand CF
Posey C (8 spot takes pressure off)
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And yeah, I know Uribe's a FA, but he'd be worth a non-bank breaking 2-yr deal to make this happen
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While I agree that Uribe is an upgrade from Renteria at SS, I don’t know if I’d trust a whole season to him there.
I agree...
But then again… What can be done about it?
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 11, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
If we got Uggla, realistically the lineup that Bork would come up with would probably be more along the lines of this (and I’m totally ignoring righty lefty stuff)
Velez LF
Sanchez 3b
Panda 1b
Uggla 2b
Bowker RF
Renteria SS
Rowand CF
Posey C
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You forgot Molina.
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What logic is there to put Sanchez at 3B and keep Uggla at 2B? Sanchez is a good defensive 2B, Uggla is a terrible one. I don’t even see what the possible argument is.
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Uggla at 3b could also be really really really bad since he hasn’t played there in the majors
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And I’m sure it would be, but Uggla anywhere is pretty bad, so I don’t see much risk. 3B should be an easier position than 2B, too.
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Uggla’s arm is terrible, so he might be even worse at third than he is at second.
by Dan from NM on Nov 11, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
With the combination of Sanchez, Pablo and Uggla, I don’t see any defense that makes more sense than Sanchez 2B, Pablo 3B, Uggla 1B. Anyone have a reasonable reason something else makes more sense?
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
That’s probably best. But when you consider Uggla as a first baseman, it’s hard to make a case for him over Johnson/Delgado/Branyan et al.
But then wouldn’t Sanchez be one of the worst hitting 3B in baseball?
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
You mean Pedro Sanchez?
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
3B don’t hit all that much better than 2B. Last season 2B had an OPS of 752 last season compared to 757 for 3B.
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I like your idea. I don’t know why Panda is the one that gets moved automatically when people discuss this trade. This would also be perfect timing b/c when Uggla is a FA Panda will probably be ready to move to 1st base anyways.
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Beat me to it.
Plus, he has short arms! (I’m convinced Bowker must have an assistant to wipe his butt or shake his weiner .)
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still hoping for Johnson and Cameron
or…See if you can get Adrian Gonzalez for Bumgarner, Crawford and Runzler.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 11, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I know this is highly unlikely but...
acquire Uggla through trade and get Matt Holliday through free agency and…I suddenly wouldn’t mind watching the Giants hit any more.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 11, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
The only way that scenario occurs is if it happens in this order:
1. Giants sign Holliday as a free agent
2. Giants turn around and trade Holliday for Uggla.
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My main issue with this is that our lineup will be ridiculously right handed
Posey/Molina R
Sanchez R
Renteria/Uribe R
Rowand R
Uggla R
Bowker or Nate will be our only lefty starter, and Nate hits lefties better. I fear us struggling to much against right handers next year
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Um
no Molina and no Uribe as both are FAs
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Um, Im aware
I include them as they are the other players being mentioned to play over Renteria or Posey. Therefore, all our options at those potions are really Righties.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
I understand the yare being mentioned but they are now in the FA class whcih includes lefty options. Granted they were recently with the Giants so they know them well but I’m pretty sure in the case of getting Uggla both are gone due to lack of money.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 11, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Bowker or NateVelez will be our only lefty starter
Fixed.
Nate’s lefty-mashing was a small-sample fluke, but it looks like Uggla has a semi-legit reverse-platoon split (645 career PAs).
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What’s unfortunate about it, is that Bochy actually believes he can hit lefties as good as his SSS suggests…
So now Schierholtz will only hit against lefties, which will ultimately make Bochy think that Schierholtz isn’t cut out to be a major leaguer…
So less playing time for Schierholtz.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 11, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
IIRC
His minor league stats don’t have a significant R-L split, so though he probably won’t continue lefty mashing, he won’t be hopeless.
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As a change of pace
I say Sabean kick some tires, give it its due diligence, trade twice as much as it should cost for Uggla, and due this by 5 so you can hit happy hour.
A deal like that? For a player like that? No. Is that succinct enough?
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I like Uggla and have wanted us to acquire him in the past but i really wouldn’t want to trade for him now. Why give up a lot of value in trade for Uggla and pay him decent money when you can simply sign one of the many 1B available. Uggla is a worse hitter and i doubt it’s really a defensive upgrade. Giving up lots of value in trade when there a similar players readily available on the free agent market is just foolish.
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I agree that Johnson and Branyan would be better options
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Major difference between Uggla and Johnson
In the first four years of his career thusfar, Uggla has played in at least 146 games with 531 AB’s.
The closest Nick Johnson has gotten to that is in 2006, with 147 games and 500 AB’s.
Johnson didn’t play at all in 07, played in only 38 games in 08, and in 09, combined for 133 games and 457 AB’s.
I’d take Uggs over NJ any day of the week on durability alone.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
The problem is
The cost. Nick Johnson wouldn’t cost 8 million (‘d hope) and wouldn’t cost as much in terms of prospects as he is a type B.
Johnson’s injury history is something to be concerned about but Uggla would cost more prospects, money, and have to play 2B or 1B with shaky defense.
Then again, maybe Uggla would only cost us one of our young OF’s, a decent AAA arm, and an A baller. Who knows?
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 11, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
But durability is not the only thing
Although with Sanchez being a ?, I understand the concern.
Still, Johnson, when healthy, is a more complete player than Uggla. I don’t think many would dispute that.
In closing, this all makes Branyan look better.
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Or try to pick up Felipe Lopez
He’s probably a better fit for AT&T. Typically has a higher OBP than Uggla, but obviously less slugging, but we’re talking about AT&T here, not Yankee Stadium. Lopez has decent speed and is a gap hitter, and the best thing is his is a Type B FA, so no cost of a draft pick or player to pick him up. Besides, Lopez can play 2b/SS/3b “decently” giving us
the opportunity to play Lopez at ss, panda at 3d and sanchez at 2b.
Lopez and Johnson shouldn’t break the bank financially or deplete our very good minor league system.
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by World Series or Bust on Nov 11, 2009 1:33 PM PST reply actions
Renteria?
you seem to forget that we have him and intend to start him at SS in 2010 unless we can trade him for a bad contract.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Not forgetting him...
but assuming his standard injury (okay maybe hoping). Besides, I think I’d still rather have Lopez over Uggla.
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by World Series or Bust on Nov 11, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I guess it really depends on the cost of both
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 11, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Quick question-
How will Ugglas power translate? I know Dolphin LandWhore stadium is a shit hole to hit in, so I would imagine it would translate quite well.
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Comparing the two parks and looking at his hit charts, he pretty much pulls everything so he would probably hit the same, if not more, home runs.
He has more than enough power. Most of his HR’s go to left center and most of them went well over 400 feet. When Uggla hits a HR, he usually gets all of it. He doesn’t hit wall scrapers like Scott.
By most you mean all of his career HR in Land shark stadium are to left field except 2!
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty Damm Good!
He is a pur pull hitter when it comes to HRs.
by giantsrainman on Nov 11, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Very similar stats. Not a defensive liabillity, and fits defensively as well. This Uggla idea is so screwy and moving him to third is downright mongolodal.
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Agreed...
The more i look at the FAs out there the more I like the idea of the Giants trying to sign Adam LaRoche.
Opposed to Uggla this is a better choice all around IMHO, except for the fact that as a left handed hitter, LaRoche tends to hit right into right center (where HRs go to die). But in his career, his line at ATT park are good: .395/.460/.767 (3HR, 8D, 11RBIs) Its a small sample size of course — only 50 PAs — but encouraging. If he could learn to pull the ball just a bit he appears to have the power to clear the landing.
The Giants are going to have to spend some money to get a bat, and LaRoche may be come cheaper than Bay or Holliday, with the same upside.
Small sample size
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Uggla is a good hitter for a 2B, but we’re essentially looking at a replacement 1B here.
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His lefty power whould die at AT&T. Any lefty power hitter the Giants go after needs to be a bomber not a just over the fenser like LaRoche.
by giantsrainman on Nov 11, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
LaRoche played mainly in hitter friendly parks, while Uggla plays in a pitchers park
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
How about trying Uggla in LF, he would be cheaper than Bay or Holliday, and we could still sign Johnson for 1b, and keep panda at 3b.
by travis j bagdad on Nov 11, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions
+1
I actually like this idea in theory, but outfield is a bit different than the 2nd…. especially if Uggla’s range is the issue. Who covers the extra ground? Rowand? Eek.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Granderson!
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I would love to have Uggla on the Giants
But I’m worried about what it’d take to get him.
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Seems like things could get Uggla.
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I prefer “The Good (panda), The Bad(Sabean) and the Uggla”
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
No time to watch that, The Uggla Truth just came out on DVD.
by Giant Voodoo on Nov 11, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
If the Giants land Uggla, and re-sign Uribe, the infield will be significantly upgraded powerwise. I like this idea a lot. Uribe’s good defensively at 3B and 2B too. Uggla at third I could totally live with for the 30 bombs and the .360 OBP. Leave the OF alone and let Posey catch, and this all of a sudden starts looking good.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 11, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions
And I’d take Uggla over NJ anyday of the week and any season of any year.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 11, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions
Random trivia
[Uggla’s] last name means “owl” in Swedish, and he descends from the untitled branch of an old Swedish noble family.
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Maybe this could help us in the Swedish international talent market.
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Hey, let's not stop there!
Let’s try to tap into those Norwegian, Danish, and Finlandian talent markets, too.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 12, 2009 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t want him if he costs us too many prospects. I’d much rather sign an “A” FA and lose a draft pick than lose some homegrown. If we were to get him I am still not sure how to shuffle in INF to accommodate everyone’s strengths and weaknesses.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 11, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions
What does everyone speculate he would cost us?
I read a Marlins fan saying he’d hope it’d be Uggla AND someone for Bumgarner. It shows even other fans wouldnt expect MadBum for Uggla straight up. Hopefully Sabean sees it that way aswell. I wouldnt want to do Neal either.
I speculate something like maybe Noonan and Gillespie.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Pitching and IF I’d guess. The Marlins have a pretty sick OF, and Maybin + Stanton coming quick.
Bumgarner for Uggla + Maybin?
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 11, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe one of our spare parts OF’ers, a bullpen arm and a decent prospect.
Marlins might also let Cody Ross go and they haven’t really shown much faith in Maybin to date, though he is still pretty damn young. And Hermida was traded to Boston. Also Stanton likely is not ready this year.
I would think Fred Lewis would look attractive to them. Coughlan will move back to 2nd if they trade Uggla.
I would really like Uggla on this team.
But then again, I don’t know anything about those stats all you crazy kids use nowadays. WAR and UZI’s, it’s all too violent for me.
All joking aside, the one thing I have noticed about Uggla, while he has been on my fantasy teams, is how streaky he is.
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Question of cost
If we have to include real prospects, then I’d be really hesitant to make a deal.
If we’re using the trade to clear spaces off of our horribly mismanaged 40-man roster, then fine.
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Um, if the Giants acquire Uggla, wouldn’t it have made better sense if they hadn’t re-signed the Mole?
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Not necessarily
As mentioned above, Sanchez is a much better fielder than Uggla. Uggla could move to a different position.
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MLBTR
Is now reporting that the Orioles aren’t really interested. Looks like the Giants might be the only real suitor. Hopefully that drives down costs.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
The more I think about this, considering the $8M salary, the Fish can’t possibly ask for much of value in a trade. Uggla’s among the very highest paid players at his position, and not really among the very best. Frankly, even if the prospects going over weren’t worth much, for $8M wouldn’t Delgado or Johnson be a better bet? (Even given the health concerns with those guys.) About the only thing Uggla offers relative to those guys is the ability to play more defensive positions (poorly).
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