SBN Awards: NL Cy Young
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 11, 2009 9:24 AM PST
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Print| Rk | Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Tim Lincecum | San Francisco Giants | 18 | 13 | - | 129 |
| 2 | Chris Carpenter | St. Louis Cardinals | 9 | 4 | 7 | 64 |
| 3 | Adam Wainwright | St. Louis Cardinals | 4 | 4 | 10 | 42 |
| 4 | Javier Vazquez | Atlanta Braves | - | 5 | 7 | 22 |
| 5 | Dan Haren | Arizona Diamondbacks | - | 3 | 4 | 13 |
| 6 | Ubaldo Jimenez | Colorado Rockies | - | 1 | 1 | 4 |
| 7 | Cliff Lee | Philadelphia Phillies | - | - | 1 | 1 |
| 8 | Jair Jurrjens | Atlanta Braves | - | - | 1 | 1 |
My vote: Brad Penny, Adam Wainwright, Chris Carpenter. Wainwright over Carpenter because of the innings pitched advantage. Penny over Lincecum because Penny had four wins in six starts, which is a 67% chance of a win. Lincecum was good, but he couldn't even crack 50%.
Wait, maybe I voted for Lincecum. I'll have to find my ballot. Either way, I'm reppin' the Giants, baby.
And those of you who don't want Lincecum to win because of a possible increased arbitration award: for shame. A new lawnmower would be a much more practical birthday gift than a $200 bottle of bourbon and a milk crate filled with pornography. But, go on, ask me which one I'd rather have. Don't be, I say, don't be so practical, kid. You'll miss out on the good things in life.
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Oh good, I was hoping that was milk that all this porn was covered with.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
That Tom Linkendrum kid is pretty good.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
High praise.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Heh
this lincecum guy needs…
a nickname, no way in hell i can pronounce that.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2006/6/6/13330/72548
I think we can all pronounce it now.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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So he projects as a reliever?
color me disappointed.
Vizcaino? 1st base? WTF?
by The Balls of Summer on Jun 6, 2006 10:30 AM PDT up actions 0 recs
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Clearly that still was a missed opportunity, considering the guy we got ahead of him.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Brett Anderson and Trevor Cahill were also available when we took Burriss.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He would have had two Cy Youngs already.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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To be fair, that Vizcaino comment was right on.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
It will still be relevant ten years later.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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So, how many sites are there voting on this? I guess it’s not just the 30 team sites, because Lincecum got 31 votes. The 30 plus BTBS, maybe?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Would not have Cy Young in AL.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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YOU CAN’T GET HIGHER THAN NUMBER ONE, BABY
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
That’s ridiculous. You could be second, or third, or….
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 11, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
You aim to be "competitive", don't you, Grant?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Spoken like a giants fan
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
hell, you could even be fourth
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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 11, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Not while you’re driving, anyway.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I expected this to be a bit more of a race
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 11, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions
The real one probably will be, but it really shouldn’t. Timmy destroyed the league.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Could someone explain to me the logic behind Wainwright over Carpenter?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions
at least 4 people thought so
I was just curious of the arguments, other than wins alone. I think there’s a valid argument of Carpenter over Lincecum, but not so much for Wainwright.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Bad breakup, huh?
It’s ok Adam, it’s not you…. it’s Chris
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
The Giants are so cheap
they’ve got their own fans wanting Tim to not win the CY because of money; that isn’t even theirs!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 11, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions
Interesting semicolon.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Not to cheap to use the expensive semicolon though.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Pretty sure you've got that wrong
The semicolon is half as expensive as the colon, but also only half as good.
It’s right there in the name.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
no way,
jose.
Semicolons are like colons with beards; they are vastly superior to colons despite the misleading name.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
If they want to change my opinion of them, they can get named supercolons. Until that day, my position is firm.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Actually, Phil Hartman > SNL by a wide margin.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not just Tim that gets high. So does his strikeout rate.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
It’s too bad that Matt Cain’s win totals are so damn straight-laced.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, I don’t blame them. Some stats just have to make that choice for themselves, and I respect the decision.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
dude I was just joking dude you need to hella chill
by Into the Void on Nov 11, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
No offense intended, but...
I feel I have to speak up for lawnmowers here. A lawnmower will go the distance and save you the regret of having a hangover and not having something powerful underneath you. That spiffy lawn will draw attention and be the envy of the neighborhood lawn jockies. It could give you a ride that lasts for years, not… an hour?
But I totally agree, If you’re buying a lawnmower, go to the top of the line and be proud. (I have a push mower myself.)
And, well done, Tim.
And that milk crate? Your grandchildren’s grandchildren will be using that well into their twilight years.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I just assume that that’s the direction this country is headed.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
THIS IS THE SKIN OF A KILLER!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Then Edward ran his pale hand through his perfect, golden hair, before logging into 4chan.org.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that not wanting Tim to win the Cy Young is silly
True Fact: Tim Lincecum is going to cost a fuckload of money down the line. This will be true if he doesn’t win another Cy Young or if he wins it ever year.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
If you think that him winning another Cy won’t make him more expensive than he would otherwise be, you’re wrong.
We know he’ll make a lot of money. But the difference is ‘A lot of money’ vs ‘A lot of money plus 1m Cy Young bonus’
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
7 year/126 or 7 year/127
ZOMG WHAT A DIFFERENCE
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by bondslegend on Nov 12, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I'll take my lawnmower
and run over your foot, taking yur burbon n pr0n.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Wow
obviously Tim should be #1, but I just think it’s so crazy that Cardinals have 2 Cy young-caliber starters on their staff. Kinda crazy.
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Random, but
This year, the Giants aren’t the last team for whom BA Top 10 prospects are posted! We’re before the whole AL and the Padres. November 30th.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
All the other NL West teams, actually. Cool!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Suck it, MLB
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I'll be really interested to see the lists this year
With Alderson and Barnes gone, Villalona’s situation/disappointing performance, and Romo no longer qualifying, there’re a lot of open spots compared to BA’s list last year.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Fangraphs WAR totals:
Tim Lincecum 8.2
Javier Vazquez 6.6
Cliff Lee 6.6 (combined AL/NL)
Danny Haren 6.1
Ubaldo Jimenez 5.7
Adam Wainwright 5.7
Chris Carpenter 5.6
5 other NL pitchers
Jair Jurrjens 3.9
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
I kind of have to admit that I’m not completely sure how I feel about using straight-up FIP to calculate pitcher’s WAR
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Any reason why? I’ve read some good debate on the issue of FIP in WAR but I would like to hear your reasoning.
I think a good argument pro is for accounting purposes. You can definitively break up defense into in-play and not-in-play elements by using FIP and UZR as your measures. If you’re using TRA, you’re kinda eating into some of what UZR is measuring as well.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
How does tRA eat into fielding measurements? I was under the impression that it simply looked at how the ball was hit into play, LD, FB, or GB, which isn’t controlled by a fielder.
But each of those things has an affect on the probability of successfully fielding the ball.
It wouldn’t really matter when you’re measuring each individual player, but one of the things that you can do with WAR is add it up and get something like a team’s true talent. If Fangraphs were using a pitching measure that leaks out into defense, they would be double counting in a sense.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
and hey
a whole big discussion on WAR:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/criminals-of-war/
Appelman makes the point I was trying to make much clearer in his comments.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I guess I just don’t like going all one way or the other. BP’s method of just using straight up RA to calculate their more complicated VORP/WARP stats doesn’t make sense to me either.
At the end of the year, if you’re trying to quantify what actually happened, it doesn’t totally make sense to me to use normalized or hypothetical statistics on their own to do it. Because, yeah, Lincecum probably was the best pitcher in the NL this year, but he did end up with a 2.48 ERA and a 2.76 RA for whatever reason and Carpenter did end up with a 2.24 ERA and a 2.29 RA.
I don’t know if that makes any sense. I feel like some combination of FIP and the actual runs allowed numbers would feel better to me.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I get what you’re saying but I think FIP is valuable in a sense because defense can play such a large role in how a pitcher performs. Should we hold Lincecum (or any other pitcher) accountable for his defenders? He really doesn’t have a choice of who plays behind him.
Have you checked out PZR? It makes sense (probably more than FIP) if you want to judge “what really happened” in a pitcher’s performance.
Remember those AZ snakepit guys who were saying Haren was better than Lincecum?
yeah.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
this
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
THIS YEAR WAS GONNA BE DIFFERENT
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 12, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
cool
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 11, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions
LAWNMOWER!
cuts GRASS!
teehee! /juvenile
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New Lawnmower vs. crate of porn.....
I dare say both are “two stroke” gifts.
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by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Nov 12, 2009 6:55 AM PST reply actions
Start with a single pull.
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by bgunn on Nov 12, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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