Free Agency, Part Two: Our greatest fears
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 10, 2009 2:17 PM PST
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PrintThe flipside. One player you’re absolutely terrified that the Giants will sign. Cull free agent list, and name your guy.
I have three nominations for coveted Annual Gary Matthews, Jr. Do Not Want Award:
The Overpaid, Overcommitted, and Over Here
Jason Bay will get close to $100M, and that just might work for an AL team. Bay’s a remarkably consistent hitter, and he’s been healthy throughout his career. His defense is pretty spotty, but he’s still a net positive as long as he’s hitting. On the Giants, though, he’d be paid like a franchise player. With Zito and Rowand making a combined $100,000,000,000,000 over the next three years, adding Bay would pretty much be the last free agent foray for a while.
As soon as Bay is on the Giants, he’ll remember that he’s over 30 and fall off a cliff offensively. And the Giants will have three years of the most hilarious outfield coverage in baseball, especially if right field is filled by a rangeless goober as well. This is my dream; this is my nightmare.
Pure, uncut, ignorance
"Man, this team needs an RBI man. Saaaay, Jermaine Dye is available. He gets RBIs. This offseason stuff sure is easy. Saaaaay, Newhart reruns are on! Good thing my work is done here."
I’m not wild about using UZR to predict future performance – that’s not really what it was designed for – but Dye’s UZR hints that he’s played the outfield like a thumbless Glenallen Hill for the last three years, and that age is only going to make things worse. You don’t put a clomper like that in the outfield unless his offense is stellar enough to force your hand. A .340 OBP in a hitter’s park is not stellar, and it’s not a given that he’ll produce even that going forward.
I’m not unreasonable. Now that Sabean is back, all I want him to do is honestly evaluate why his offenses have been at the bottom of the league for the past six years. A Dye signing – "35 years young, plenty of homers and RBI, what’s not to like?" – would be an obvious indication that Sabean thinks that he’s just been unlucky with his roster-building philosophies. It wasn’t his fault, for example, that Rowand stopped hitting 30 home runs when he came to San Francisco. Gag.
This category is populated by Bengie Molina. A man who gets paid to evaluate baseball players is right now worried about how the offense is going to make up for Molina’s offensive production. He’s thinking, man, it makes sense to give Posey a shot, but who’s going to drive in the runs? Is it worth it, he wonders, to commit to a second or third year to Molina if it guarantees that all of those runs are driven in next year? That would block Posey, but then the runs would be driven in. And runs need to be driven in, or the offense will be even worse! What a dilemma.
Again, we follow an organization that is convinced that Molina helps an offense, whereas the rest of the civilized world realizes that a sub-.300 on-base percentage coming from the slowest player in baseball is something to avoid. Bringing back Molina is finding your wife in bed with one of her students after you’ve already read the e-mails between the two. I mean, you knew, but seeing it in action just hammers the ungodliness home.
I think Molina scares me more than any of the other free agents. At least we can pretend with Dye and Bay – poor defense is much harder to quantify on a day-to-day basis, especially when they’re improving on the offense from last season. But Molina grounding into double plays, stopping at third on a long double, and weakly flying out to the outfield for another two seasons? Assuming Bochy will know how to transition from a veteran catcher to a rookie catcher? I’ll set a series of small fires if that happens, and I can’t promise that they’ll be on inanimate objects.
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My top 3
Molina
Dye
Damon
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 10, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions
Matsui is a good pick. He would be tied with Damon on my list.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 10, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Mine
Molina
Molina
Molina
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 10, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you mean
+ Winn
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
here here
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 10, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
My top 3
Sabean
Bochy
Molina
Oh fuckin no.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
by bgunn on Nov 10, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 19 recs
Really nice
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Dye. He’s like a Fred Lewis who can’t field.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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YES LET'S HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN PLZ
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
FRED'S A PLAYA!!
What do you mean by “Not what you ment”?
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Oh no, here we go again.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Sometimes I almost hope we DO pick up someone like Dye, just so the KFred crowd can see how bad it can really be
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 3:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
New Outfield
LF: Adam Dunn
CF: Jason Bay
RF: Jermaine Dye
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
CLANK
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
CLOMP
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Ah true
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I think you have to go with FLUMMPA FLUMMPA FLUMMPA KERSPROING! if you really want to be accurate.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 10, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
SHAZOOOOOO!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Nice Family Guy reference!
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Nov 11, 2009 2:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m now picturing them yelling: “YOU GOT IT” “NO YOU GOT IT, REALLY”
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Ah, the Fred Lewis defense
/ducks
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
Kicking the ball might add a clank after the initial clank
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 10, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
And of course, when that happens
Those people will say some variant of, “Well, it didn’t work out but it was a good idea at the time I didn’t see anyone complaining about Dye and his DINGERZ when we signed him OMG hindsight haters!!!!!!!”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Hank Blalock.
I also really wouldn’t want Joe Crede or Pedro Feliz. Yes, I know that they both have value from their defense, but the last thing I want to see is another all-glove, dead-weight-in-the-lineup hitter.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I could also see Sabean missing out on Bay and Dye and then really overpaying someone like Rick Ankiel or Garret Anderson.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
On a Rowandless team in need of cheap power, I’d take a chance with Ankiel on a cheap deal. With this team, though…bleah.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 10, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
+1… Ankiel’s a cool story and pretty fun to watch, overall. But he doesn’t fit what this team needs.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
He's said publicly that he'd retire before he went back to pitching
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
From Baggs regarding Molina
From everything I’ve been told, the Giants are open to bringing back Molina on a one-year contract, but probably not for anything more than the $6 million he made last season.
Molina has said on more than one occasion that he wants a two-year deal, minimum, and he feels he deserves a raise. So I’d put the chances of him re-signing somewhere between "remote" and "unlikely."
Even though Molina probably would get a salary bump in arbitration, I’d expect the Giants will offer it to him in order to be eligible for the draft picks. The Giants have reason to believe that Molina would decline the offer because he’s expected to have other suitors.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Molina has said on more than one occasion that he wants a two-year deal, minimum, and he feels he deserves a raise.
HEY GUYS I’M A FAT OLD CATCHER WHO HAS THE LOWEST OBP IN HISTORY SINCE THE DAYS OF THE NEW YORK KNICKERBOCKER BASEBALL CLUB GIVE ME MORE MONIES!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Replying to myself
I mean, seriously. Even if you drink the Flavor-Aid and think Molina’s good, in what possible world do you look at a chubby catcher who’ll be turning 36 next season and say, “Hey, this guy’s a good candidate for a multi-year deal!” I really just cannot fathom this.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Brian Sabean, April 2010
“We did our due diligence and at the end of the day we didn’t like what we saw on the market. We look forward to the day when Buster is ready to handle a major league staff. Until then Bengie is our starting catcher.”
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Nov 10, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It will be April 2010 so that die hard Giants fans who don’t want Molina back cannot cancel their season tickets.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
"We did our due diligence and at the end of the day we didn’t like what we saw on the market. We look forward to the day when Buster is ready to handle a major league staff. Until then Bengie is our starting catcher and will be batting clean-up."
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 10, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Lots of talent in the pipeline
I concur….and think it will be a one year deal with options for another or two, but if he is batting clean-up, then maybe trading Bumgarner for a stud hitter will be necessary….God I hope not!! The Giants need to pay 1/2 (maybe 2/3) of Rowand’s salary and beg someone else to take him with Fred Lewis and Renteria (pay half of his, too) for whatever we can get…addition by subtraction. Schierholtz has to play everyday and not be in fear of being sat down….he was a .300+ minor leaguer who didn’t swing wildly at everything….and he was awesome under Muelens who will have his ear. Nate is a plus fielder, best RF arm in NL, and will hit 285+ w/ 15-20 dingers….if not under so much pressure to perform to stay in the lineup. Re-sign Torres for CF and get Holliday for left!!! No Germaine Dye (old, slowing down and streaky like Winn-too many bad streaks at critical times). Dye is better RBI guy than Winn, but his power numbers are on the wane….thought they should have gotten him after A’s had him….now it is too late.
And sign Nick Johnson, too. The Giants can, if they are creative (Not sure about the overall creative abilities of Sabean and Nuke), get both Holliday and Johnson and get rid of Lewis and Rowand….not so sure they can afford an adequate replacement for Renteria, or that the two awesome SS prospects they have are close to ready. On the other hand, they have some very fine looking prospects that should be knocking on the door for 2011, so the lineup should look pretty solid by then, with limited changes, but I want the division in 2010 and dominance for the next 5 years after that.
We have some nice pieces in the system that could be trade bait….Kevin Pucetas either has to be on the roster this year or needs to be moved because he is on the cusp of 5 yr. minor leaguer who could be FA after 2010….too talented not to either bring up or get something for…and there are a couple others in that spot because of all the pitching talent the Giants have.
Lewisophobic, Are We?
Just fyi, between Lewis and Nate, Lewis is the one who doesn’t swing wildly at everything, and Nate’s the one who swung at a pitch that hit him.
Not that Nate is a worse player than Lewis, because that probably isn’t true. But to get rid of Lewis with Rowand and Renteria as ‘additions by subtraction’ while singing Schierholtz’s praises doesn’t make much sense.
You wish you were named Frederick Deshaun...
Nate’s the one who swung at a pitch that hit him.
Three times.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
I’d sign Molina, if it meant he was only good enough to be our 8th place hitter… not our 4th. At the 8th spot, you don’t really want a guy who’s looking to walk, so it makes sense.
His value would come with knowing our pitching staff.
Also, I would only resign Molina, if it meant that we were going to try Posey at a position spot, like SS, LF, 1B… which is hard to imagine the Giants doing that without giving him time in the Minors at one of those positions.
Posey would likely be an above-average defender, so there’s no reason to place him at the lower end of the OF spectrum (LF) or the lower end of the INF spectrum (1B).
And yes, I know I’m the only one here who takes this idea seriously. That’s okay – in 2016 I’ll be reminding you all that I said it first. Or my robot-facsimilie will be doing that for me while I pilot my flying car. Whatever.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
I don’t get why you’re so obsessed with this. Posey has played a lot in the last two years, between the CWS, the minor leagues, spring training, the HWB and now the AFL.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
AAAAUUHGHHHHH
Moving Posey to LF or 1B would be really dumb.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Reason #274 not to re-sign Molina
He can’t bat 8th either. That virtually eliminates the sacrifice bunt option for the pitcher batting 9th.
Even batting Molina 7th is a risk, since it’s conceivable we could get two men on base AT THE SAME TIME (I know, I know, I almost even kept a straight face) with nobody out before the 9th spot.
by BobSacamano on Nov 13, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Posey played SS and OF for over 10 years, so moving back to one of those spots shouldn’t be difficult and would lengthen his career. With his soft hands and defensive skills, I think 1B would be relatively easy for him (although most people think it is an easy position, the value of a good 1Bman is incredibly high, much more than people realize).
If a 1B has great range, it allows the 2d baseman to cheat 2-3 steps toward 2B, SS can cheat over a step toward 3B, also, the fielders can just fire the ball to him knowing he will pick it, so they are more relaxed and will make more great plays.
You touched on my 3 big fears
I’ll add Chone Figgins though. He’s coming off a career year in a class that is light on upper end talent. I fear a massive overpay.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Dave Roberts, too!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Rich Aurilia…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 10, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
I can see the marketing campaign....
Your 2010 SF Giants: Relive the 2002 excitement!
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
Isn’t Eric Byrnes available? I would be afraid of him.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
The Giants could really use a right-handed hitting outfielder, so there are scenarios in which Byrnes would actually make sense.
There. I said it. Feels like there’s a weight off my chest. Whew.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 10, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
No, that was just your cat.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Byrnes managed to have a 10.3 UZR last year but still only be 0.5 WAR. That’s kind of impressive in a perverse sort of way!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
lets also not forget this
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 10, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s one of Zito’s pictures, I think.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
by shanghaijim on Nov 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Scenarios:
-Signs a minor league deal, and returns to hitting/stealing and becomes useful in the OF the way Uribe was helpful to the IF.
-Instead of $$, Giants get a hometown discount and he gets a broadcasting incentive
Easy
1. Molina
2. Molina
3. Dye
4. Bay
In my ideal world, they sign 1 of Nick Johnson or Adrian Beltre (putting Sandoval at 1b would improve the defense, and Beltre is a Felizian defender); shit, platoon Johnson with Garko and say bye-bye to Travis, and somehow trade the rotting carcass of crap that is Aaron Rowand (in a dream world, they bring in Mike Cameron as well to replace Rowand, but that will never happen).
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Here’s my problem with Beltre, he’s a former Dodger and he’s always hurt.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
and he’s really not that great
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
I’m fine with the former Dodger thing if Dodger fans hate him, which I think they do? Then we can hope he becomes a Dodger killer when we play them
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
What if the Dodgers were so stupid to let Matt Kemp go?
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
I would love to have Ethier. He’d instantly be our second best hitter and it wouldn’t even be close between him and #3.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I dunno. I thought the same thing about Brad Penny.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Right, well honestly…if Ethier was on our team hitting homers and being all stupid and clutch, then MAYBE I’d change my mind about him.
Till that happens, I hate him.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Oh yeah. No question.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Every single time anyone mentions Andre Ethier, I think of this article
by SnowLeopard on Nov 10, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
FJM is just the tonic for my current mood! Thank you.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
isnt mccovey chronicles the 10 cent version of fjm?
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Nov 12, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I used to want us to get Beltre
But the collapse of his offensive value last year has spooked me. Especially since his BABIP was actually above his career average last year.
Like I said above, the last thing I want to watch next year is another all-glove guy who can’t hit.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’ve been a Beltre booster largely because of his collapse last year; he ought to be a bargain. But I keep seeing rumors that he’ll get a three-year contract somewhere! Weird.
He feels like he’d be Edgar Renteria all over again.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Ewwww.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
By a whopping .004 margin
Career:
Beltre: .325
Feliz: .293
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
estas un elitist
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Beltre was injured in ’09 though.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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They really should sign him
They could save money on their ad campaign – just reuse “Let’s Play With Great Balls of Fire” and swap out Matt Cain’s photo for Beltre’s.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’m terrified they pay a lot for Bay, because “OMG LOOK HOW HE PLAYED IN FENWAY PARK” as well as the endless puns his last name would provide the Giants marketing team. Then he’ll go out and be like Rowand without the offense. (Careful: Don’t fall into the sarchasm.) And you know Sabean would offer him a minimum four-year contract. I’d also hate it if Molina returned, but whether he does or not, Bruce Bochy is going to somehow find a way not to play Buster Posey.
Now if you’ll excuse me I have some pitchforks to sharpen.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
Matsui, Damon, Dye.
Molina on a 1 year wouldn’t be the end of the world (although obviously preferrable would be a pudge or Gregg Zaun mmmmm), because it makes sense to matt wieters posey ie break him in with someone else, the Giants do seem high on Buster and would not bench him for the whole year. Meanwhile old crappy outfielders who cant field and will lose offensive ability going to a pitchers park would be a throw myself down the stairsmoment
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
My mind knows 1 more year of Molinia is not the end of the world. My hart tells me 1 more year of Molinia batting clean would bring back pleasant memeories of Mike Sadeak and Brad Wellman. I can not say, “DON’T WANT” loud enough, fast enough or often enough.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Yeah I know what you mean because Molina is the evil we most readily know, however, I feel a multi year to Dye, Damon, or Matsui would be worse for my heart then the Big Carl I had last week
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
He is the Evils we already know. Not only does he show all the week spots in his game he brings out all the week spots in the manager & front office. In fact it is thier week spots that are bigger and more glareing reasons for not wanting 1 more year than his own week spots.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
The evil we know is still evil
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
LOL@ 1 3B
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
I was there
I have photo evidence.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Mike Krukow lost his house.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Top fears:
Dye
Bay
Cameron (I know he’s on a lot of people’s “DO WANT!” list, but I just see an old player who’s already declining. Not sure how he’d help more than the OF options we have already in the system. To me, signing Cameron to a multi-year deal would be Dave Roberts part II in terms of impact)
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2009 2:44 PM PST reply actions
I don’t think anyone is talking about Cameron for more than a year + option at most
and he would be our best OF
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by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 2:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure where you’re seeing a decline in Cameron’s abilities. He’s been pretty consistent over the past seasons.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
With A UZR/150 Of +5.2 In CF With A Positional Adjustment Of +2.2/yr Resulting In A WAR Of 3.5/yr
Both of the last two years and the proceeding year to these three he produced at a 4 WAR of above level..
by giantsrainman on Nov 10, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Before I clicked on the cut link, i said to myself, “Bay, Dye, Molina.”
Get out of my head!
I’d probably add the DH types to it too – Matsui, Guerrero
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by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 2:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I have the exact same top 3 as a fellow BC alum and the all-knowing, all-seeing Grant. Clearly, I am doing something right in life.
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EYE C WUT U DIDD THER
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Overpaying for ANY Free Agent
It is the Sabean Way. Get used to it. Do not want a 5 year deal for either Bay or Holliday. Or Lackey or Figgins. Four years for Beltre may be OK.
Offering BMoney arbitration is fine. Batting BMoney cleanup is not the best thing for the team.
Hope the Giants do not yo-yo Gerald Posey they way they did with Matt Williams. Let Posey get his 300 minor league games experience.
A 4 year contract to Beltre would be a terrible idea.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 10, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
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Agreed.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
A 5-year deal for Holliday would be better than anything discussed on this thread so far, including a 4-year deal to Beltre.
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Budget Breaker
Do not know how the Giants can sign Holliday within their rumored stated $90M budget.. Same for Bay. Do believe Sabean can sign a couple of players at bargain basement prices and still improve the club rather than putting all their monies on one player
You sound like
Sabean when he was explaining why he didn’t sign Vlad.
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A 5yr deal for Holliday back end loaded (not too much or we won’t be able to keep Lincicum and Cain), so as to get Renteria and some of the other crap off the books, would be fine!!!!
I just don’t have the same confidence in Bay and he isn’t as good defensively. He is going to get 4 yrs from someone and I hope it isn’t the Giants, 3 w/option for Bay would be tolerable…I would even do 6 for Holliday w/ some deferred money.
1. Beltre 2. Dye 3. Molina. Let me qualify #3…I have NONE problem with Slolina returning on a 1-year Arb award and batting 7th. I DO have a problem signing him as a FA, to a multi-year deal bidding against other teams.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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by bigboneded on Nov 10, 2009 3:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There is no way Big Head bats Molina #7 unless we go back in time and bring back a healthy & young BLB & Kent then steal Pujols from ST Louis.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Even after those moves, Bochy may not bat Molina 7th.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
From the Pujols press-conference: “You know, Albert is a great hitter, a professional hitter, but Bengie, he just knows how to drive runners in. He does whatever it takes to drive runners in.”
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"He's our cleanup hitter"
"…this thing which tells time."
by Cody_ransom on Nov 12, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I actually see Molina at the 6 spot and am OK w/ that, if the other pieces are right….some speed in 7 and 8 spots ahead of the pitcher who can then sacrifice. (Bengie will have hit into the inning ending double play the inning before).
Because he has 20+ HR power and drives in runs, it is probably his best spot.
Totally random, but
For some reason, Eugenio Velez’s b-r sponsorship amuses me:
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Maybe because it makes me picture Eugenio riding around on an old fashioned little girl’s bike, banana seat and all.
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Vroooooooooooom!
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by jponry on Nov 10, 2009 3:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Because it says Grant’s name?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
It also happens to be spam.
F. the Lewis.
by calpolynate on Nov 11, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
AGE BIAS
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XANATHAN LINKED TO SENIOR DEATH PANELS
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I dunno
We haven’t seen delorean around. He might be up to something.
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If Sabean signs Jermaine Dye, I will definitely be forced to pull the plug on some grandmas.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I can’t wait for the enlightening comments that will pop up there.
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Wait!!
Needs more snide sarcasm and a couple food threads first.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Villalona freed!!!!!!
after giving hefty sum of money to victims family…espn reports..
He who jumps into the void, owes no explanation to those who stand and watch - Jean Luc Godard
by LObSterBusH15 on Nov 10, 2009 3:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
First comment ever, too.
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Probably the last, once this guy finds out about Grant’s new $10-per-exclamation-point fee.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
NEAT
No really, that is neat. I am excited.
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BREAKING!
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 10, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Breaking News!
Jerome Williams signed by the A’s!
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
Just give us Matt Holliday and be done with it
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
PUT THE MATT HOLLIDAY IN THE BAG AND NO ONE GETS HURT, OK?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
DNW
1-Dye- They have a younger more talented version of him named John Bowker.
2-Molina-If we sign him then I’m thinking Posey will become the next Kevin Frandsen.
3-Nick Johnson-I’m sorry the only year where he was (mostly) healthy was a contract year and I’m not convinced he can stay healthy. I’d rather sign Aubrey Huff, especially since Huff won’t cost a draft pick.
Grab Some Pine Meat!
“We are proud to welcome Scott to the team. He’s a veteran difference-maker with an exciting ability to make things happen, and we feel he will combine with Euginio to be a couple of offense sparkplugs at the top of the order. And the world series title in 2005 clearly showed he knows how to win. When we saw he was available, we decided that we would do what it took to make him a San Francisco Giant. So, now let’s all enjoy watching Scott Podsednik lead the Giants to the top.”
That just sent a shiver down my spine. Not a good shiver either.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
Yeah Podsednik’s been on my “fear list” for a while. It’s not at Jermaine Dye level, but he’s a useless player I could totally see Sabean signing.
/ snide sarcasim turned off
To be fair the pretty much the whole of the free agent class is on my DNW list. I doubt there are more than a 20 players I would left my don’t want BNW ban for. And this is knowing the team needs a candidate for #5 starter, and a scrub catcher. Once those 2 spots are taken out of things I probably have more fingers then there are players I would not be bummed if the signed them for 2010.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
that's way too frigging scary
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Really sounds like something Sabean would say.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
I don't see
how Bay even rates. I mean, at least he can hit.
Any player is bad if you give him the wrong contract… Even Molina at 1 yr/6M would not be an UTTER COMPLETE DISASTER HORRIBLE move… .
But Dye… I don’t think he even he’s worth ML minimum to start over our crappy outfielders….
Hmmm… here is a Hobson’s Choice for ya:
You get to dump Rowand AND his entire contract. But you have to sign Jermain Dye for the 3 years remaining on Rowand’s contract. How high on Dye would you go to dump Rowand? I guess 3/22 would be the maximum, since that’ roughly what you lose for cutting Rowand outright.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
So you mean we wouldn't have to take on Vernon Well's contract to be ride of Rowands?
The answer is still , “No thanks.”
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
nah
you guys missed my analysis. Rowand is “worth” negative 22 million. That is to day, he should be paid about 14M/3 years instead of 36. So cutting him only saves you 22, not the full 36.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
Yeah, I dont really want Bay, but there are a bunch of guys that would be be way worse
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
Those guys probably wouldn’t cost 5+ years and 80+ million
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
"How bout they just sign a good player?"
Got to have a GM who knows what a good player is first.
by NateEveryday on Nov 10, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
1. Molina “Again, we follow an organization that is convinced that Molina helps an offense, whereas the rest of the civilized world realizes that a sub-.300 on-base percentage coming from the slowest player in baseball is something to avoid. Bringing back Molina is finding your wife in bed with one of her students after you’ve already read the e-mails between the two. I mean, you knew, but seeing it in action just hammers the ungodliness home.”
Couldn’t have said it better so I’ll just quote Grant.
2. Damon I could see Sabean way over paying Damon because of is 24 homers and his nice OBP. But, I think his numbers would be more like his season with the A’s if he played at AT&T(.256ave 324obp 9 homeruns)
3. Byrd, Grant did call this the “Annual Gary Matthews, Jr. Do Not Want Award” and I see Byrd as another player from texas who has a career year in that ballpark and will revert right back to being the same player he was before. The Giants already have plenty of outfielders who can do what Byrd does
What the hell is going on with his hair?
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I am not sure what Twilight is
TV show, movie, grocery store checkout line magazine fabrication, whatever.
But I do feel pretty certain that, whatever it is, I hate it.
Well, it is a book series that turned into a movie, like what happened with Harry Potter, and it’s about vampires and de chickz lovez it. I’m not a big fan of it either
SPARKLY vampires
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I agrizzle.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Okay, now I’m really disappointed in myself that I started this.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I’m sorry. I don’t speak Spanish.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
not even close
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
NO ESTAS CERCA!!!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
TIENES CINCO ANOS
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
lol well done
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ESTAS CHISTOSO
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proof of how important that little squiggly line over the N is
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
lol yeah.....
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
loool
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Ya that chick *is* quite striking
but OTOH what is up with the guy with the huge hair, huge-r forehead, and never-not-present makeup job.
She is pretty MEH.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
She has the body of 12 year old boy. Give me some curves!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
show me some pics.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
Body of a 12 year old girl and you have a Walrusman joke.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Yeah, she's got a certain something
but I’m not blown away I guess
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
She is “hot” b/c she looks like someone you could have
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
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Yes. She wants you to break into her house, and watch her sleep at night, and then emotionally manipulate her into completely relying on you for everything.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
It kind of frightens me that y’all know so much about the plot of Twilight.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
my roommate loves it
no idea why.
Oh, and my roommate is a 24 year old male.
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YES!
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by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
I just wasted 2 minutes of my life.
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 10, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
I want the last minute of my life back.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Nov 10, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Spiders
eww
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 6:22 PM PST reply actions
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Eh, the picture I tried to post didn’t come up. I was putting one of the San Francisco Spiders hockey logo up.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Scott Podsednick
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 10, 2009 7:08 PM PST reply actions
I am a sick puppy
The Giants offense has made me crazy. I know it’s a bad, bad idea, but I want Jason Bay in the lineup. I’m like Ralph Balbieri. I want 30 homeruns in our lineup no matter what the cost.
The baseball Satanist
Go Bay!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
I would bet a considerable amount of money that Jason Bay would never hit 30 HR in a season in a Giants uniform. If I had a considerable amount of money, that is.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
you had me…until the ralph ref
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Nov 10, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Molina
Vlad
Bay
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by Giant among Angels on Nov 10, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions
Uh..
The Giants, who were rumored to be interested in dealing either Aaron Rowand or Barry Zito, aren’t willing to do a “bad contracts” swap for Bradley.
“A deal like that? For a player like that?” Giants general manager Brian Sabean said. “No. Is that succinct enough? I don’t know that addition by subtraction would work. Smarter people than us have tried that.”
From here.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
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IE: Everyone else in the league.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Smarter than Bochy doesnt mean youre smart
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 10, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
awwww shucks
well, honestly what the hell does a Manager do? everytime i just see the manager sit there and do nothing the whole game… except make decisions on when to steal, when to pull a pitcher and take players out…
"Meh".
I mean Sabean telegraphs his moves to the press all the time. And we can always trust what he says in the beginning of the off season. Personally I would be less inclined ot think it would happen he he said he wanted to make that move.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
"A deal like that? For a player like that?" Giants general manager Brian Sabean said. "No. Is that succinct enough? I don’t know that addition by subtraction would work. Smarter people than us have tried that."
God it really is scary that Sabean doesn’t realize how shitty his offense is. The offense is already better with Molina and Winn not in it anymore. That’s addition by subtraction right there.
I mean, wow, so he doesn’t think that Rowand is entirely replaceable, and he doesn’t think that Bradley is at least marginally better with a much more attractive contract.
I’m gonna assume that the Giants just want no part of Bradley’s attitude, and Sabean was just running his mouth.
Plus the Edgardo Alfonzo and Steve Finley trade was a bad contract swap, so he can include himself in his little arrogant and pompous “smarter people than us have tried that” statement.
by NateEveryday on Nov 11, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Torrealba
get him back, let Molina go.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
he’d be cheaper, gamer-er, and better for the Posey transition. oh, and faster. How’s that?
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by greatgiantfan on Nov 10, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
At least you backed up your reasoning on why they should go after Torrealba…. I dont know anymore, doubt management would go after someone they just traded away
He's five years older now
He’s a veteran. That’s pretty much the reason they traded him in the first place; he wasn’t a veteran.
Speaking of which, I bet today is Brian Sabean’s favorite holiday.
The baseball Satanist
Dye
Dye Dye Dye… please noooo
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Vlad
He wasn’t old enough the first time around.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
/insert overpaid old player who isn’t very good, doesn’t have much positional flexibility, and would pretty much be a waste of a roster spot
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
You know, people have already said Bengie Molina a bunch of times.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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It would be difficult to insert himself anywhere.
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Logic and why Sabean won't do it
So the Reds say they are cutting Salary …
Brandon Phillips is available ( though you know they really wanna dump Harang or Arroyo ).
Hmmm. Phillips at 2nd … move Freddie to 3rd to ease some of the wear on him and The Panda to First. 20 HRs and 90+ RBIs added. Bye bye Molina.
Naw. That is logical.
Though from what it sounds like, the Reds are willing to let someone pick up Votto if they take on Harang or Arroyo’s contracts … a wet dream offer would be Sanchez and Garko.
Again … Sabean doesn’t make wet dream offers to see what they ask to be thrown in.
Phillips would be about a 1 WAR up grade over Fred Sanchez at 2nd.
Nick Johnson would probaly be 1-1.5 WAR over Garko/Ishi.
Cameron would probably be a 1.5 -2 WAR one of our Current OFers.
Why settle for the least possible up grade?
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Brain SabeanOranother.
I dunno. If we’re comparing Phillips and Johnson, over the last two years, Phillips has been 6.2 WAR, Johnson has been 3.4.
Of course, Phillips would cost more, both in terms of money and in terms of giving up a player or players.
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And yes, I know Johnson’s WAR is hurt because he didn’t play much in 2008. But injury concerns are a big issue with him.
I’d still be okay with signing him, though.
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The one thing about Johnson’s injuries that does not bother me so much is it creates some play time space. On a Big Head team it might be the place Bowker gets the bulk of his 2010 play time. In the next 18 months we could (should) be see some of the Pill, Neal, Kieschnick and ( if he gets his act together) Guzman crowd. Not necessarily up to stay but some play time. First base not ideal for their tastes of the MLB as long as their hands are good and keep a good defensive 1b for late innings it is doable.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
I like Kieschnick a lot, but I’d like to see him get significant time in the minors before we think about bringing him up. He needs to lower his K rate or raise his walk rate (or both would be nice!).
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Most of mine have been covered already, Dye, Nady, Blalock, Figgins, etc.
Another not mentioned is Uribe. Not that I’d mind him back on a cheap deal as a bench player but if we actually give him decent money or he’s our 3B to start the season I’m going to be seriously annoyed.
Not a specific player but I’m also against signing a 3B and moving Sandoval to 1B. None of the options would improve our offense (and most would make it worse) and we’d be spending decent money for a marginal upgrade.
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They should spend the damn money on Bay or Holliday. Is signing Nick Johnson really an adequate response to the Giants offensive woes?
I’d probably be ok with settling with signing Chone Figgins. It would be someone that is on base a lot in front of Sandoval. Figgins is much better than Nick Johnson who is hurt all the time. They could have Figgins leading off, F. Sanchez hitting second, Schierholtz hitting third with Sandoval hitting clean up. I guess Garko could bat behind Sandoval. At least they’d have batters in the first three spots that can get on base. I agree that Schierholtz needs to take more pitches, but maybe he can learn a new trick.
To reiterate: Nick Johnson gets hurt all the time.
Maybe they can sign Jermaine Dye to a two year contract for mid tier money and not be stuck with him forever. If you didn’t have Molina maybe it wouldn’t be bad to be stuck with Dye for two years. He could sit on the bench the second year if he didn’t do anything in 2010.
Getting Jimmy Rollins for 2011 sounds good. Is he too old though?
They need to do SOMETHING!!! though
You want Figgens, whose biggest calling card is OBP, but you don’t want Johnson who has more OBP? I must have zigged when you zagged.
As for Bay does he come with a free great fielding SS so we can actually play him without having 2 triples allies on the field at the same time?
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Brain SabeanOranother.
Your batting order has Figgins, Sanchez, Sandoval and Garko. What positions will each player play on defense?
DERR garko in LF
/chasm
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ok. Say he is hurt. Say there is no Garko around it would not be the first time the Giants give played to Bowker there. Or give a bit of MLB experience to one of Guzman, Pill or Neal depending who earned it. We are talking 1st base here not SS, or Cf. As long as the guys hands are pretty good he can fill in for bit and the club not get destroyed in the process. In high leverage defensive situations Ishikawa comes in.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
He should stop smacking johnson around
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by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve lived in San Francisco 10 of the last 12 years, but the last two I’ve been near Anaheim so I hear about the Angels. I don’t like them, but I hear about them. Sometimes I’ll listen to Angels games and route for the other team for instance. Figgins has a lot of character. I remember one year, he hit like .218 for the first two months and then ended up hitting .310. He must work really hard and not be screwing around.
Johnson wasn’t hurt last year, but it was his contract year too. Maybe he usually dogs it and doesn’t play hurt.
Maybe he usually dogs it and doesn’t play hurt.
I wish we had more players who wouldn’t play hurt. Goddamn Rowand.
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Do a Google search of Nick Johnson and DL and see how many results pop up?
Also, his damn picture on his Yahoo sports page makes him look like he has just been out until 4am the night before and is fifty pounds overweight. He doesn’t seem to try too hard.
Also, no overweight person has ever been good at baseball.
/img Cecil Fielder
/img Pablo Sandoval
/img Babe Ruth
Kirby Puckett wasn’t exactly a greyhound.
I want Nick Johnson so we can call him Porkins all the time.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
My rosterbation all involves nickname potential.
I almost forgot Gorman Thomas. The all fat guy team actually would have acceptable OF D.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
WE AREN'T SELLING BLUE JEANS!!!
Prince Fielder
David Wells
C.C. Sabathia
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slim(!) pickings at SS and 2B
I dunno, Juan Uribe and Ronnie Belliard
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Bengie Molina played short stop in college. Imagine that!
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I’m not really sure why I spelled shortstop as two words there.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Nov 11, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Make it Stop!
Item #4 is not even the least bit funny any more.
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Brain SabeanOranother.
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