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In honor of BA's Eastern league top twenty tomorrow....Let's play the prospect comparison game!

 

I suspect it's a long shot Brock Bond makes the list, but if he does it would be in the 15-20 range. I was looking for historic comps by age and league, here's one I found. He was 23 like Bond, but the numbers are over three different leagues, the highest level being 200 PA's in the Eastern league.

 

135 games/ 481 AB's/ 149 H's / 31 2B / 8 HR / 93 BB / 63 SO / .310/.436/.424

 

Here's a link to Brock Bond's numbers.

Brock Bond

 

 

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He didn't make it

1 – Pedro Alvarez
2 – Madison Bumgarner
3 – Kyle Drabek
4 – Carlos Santana
5 – Jesus Montero
6 – Dominic Brown
7 – Junichi Tazawa
8 – Wilson Ramos
9 – Michael Taylor
10 – Brad Lincoln
11 – Hector Rondon
12 – Josh Reddick
13 – Ike Davis
14 – Marc Rzepczynski
15 – Jose Tabata
16 – Scott Sizemore
17 – Jake Arrieta
18 – Nick Weglarz
19 – Zach McAllister
20 – Brandon Snyder

by Cainer on Oct 8, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad to Bumgarners still up there

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 8, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Kind of surprised to see Montero so far down the list.

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by jponry on Oct 8, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

5th is pretty damn good

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 8, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Brown, too. I can see putting Montero behind Santana because I don’t think anybody believes he’ll stay at C while Santana has the defensive tools and a bat that could make him a superstar at the position. Very surprised Drabek’s above both of them. A little surprised Bumgarner is.

In the BA Best Tools edition a month or so ago, Matusz got the nod as Best Pitcher (and I think Best Fastball). I guess he didn’t accumulate enough time in the EL to qualify for this list, but you’d have to assume he’d have been #1 or #2 if he had.

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by Roger on Oct 9, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not all that surprised over Montero as they’re obviously treating him as a 1B/DH. With Bumgarner i guess it depends on how much you downgrade him due to the velocity drop. If you’re not too concerned (and they don’t see to be as they said he’d be at the top of the Cal list as well) then I’m not that surprised that he’s high. Am surprised that Drabek is ahead of Santana though.

Matusz was listed on the Carolina League list instead so I’m guessing they viewed him as not having enough playing time.

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by GiantFan on Oct 9, 2009 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not surprised he didn’t make it to be honest. He’s an interesting sleeper but he’s not that much of a prospect at the moment.

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by GiantFan on Oct 9, 2009 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he’s just got so many gaps in his toolbox. Reading Fred Stanley’s comments about him last month it sounds like he’s a defensive liability anywhere on the field. Sounds like he’s really lacking in lateral movement, not fast or quick, doesn’t have much of an arm, and has absolutely no power. So his career is based entirely on being able to maintain a high enough BA/OBP in the majors to offset his many failings. That’s not exactly a droolworthy prospect portfolio.

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by Roger on Oct 9, 2009 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, players without any power and with questionable defense just don’t get thought of as great prospects. I’m not sure he’d make a Giants top 20 so he’s not really a top 20 candidate in a league. And really looking at the list, Bond is on whole different level to those quality of prospects.

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by GiantFan on Oct 9, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bond

Unfortunately, I have to agree. I saw him play when I caught a Defender’s game in late June. He went 3 for 5, but I was not impressed. No speed, no range, no arm, no power. Bobby Evans talked about him on the Michael Urban show on KNBR about a month ago and said he was not a candidate for a utility player. I think the only way he makes the majors is to hit .350 in the minors and vastly improve his other skills.

by nelson95 on Oct 9, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know who it is, but anyone who can hit 8 home runs in a season isn’t a great comp for Brock Bond.

by Evan on Oct 8, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

True the comparable player has an ISO of 114 compared to Bonds ISO of 75.

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by GiantFan on Oct 9, 2009 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is Freddy Sanchez huh

by dregarx on Oct 8, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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by Natto on Oct 8, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going with Sandoval

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by Mike Hawk on Oct 8, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by say hey nation on Oct 9, 2009 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Youkilis

That’s the comp. Obviously, as some of you have noted Bond doesn’t have a chance to project power like Youkilis, but the real question is how much value is in his power versus his OBP and defense.

Bond has a career MiLB walk rate of 12%, while Youkilis had an amazing 23%. Their career MiLB SO rate is similar at 15%. Bond seems to be a slappy hitter as he’s never had a BABiP lower than .371 when having more than 100 AB’s, a trend he’ll probably have to maintain to keep that BA up. If he can keep his BB% up and SO% down and play average second base he may an unglamorous surprise. I would hope he’s a spring training invite at the very least.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Oct 9, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's been a while, but:

I fired up an old minors-to-majors conversion program I used to use, with what I’d call decent success, some years back, and this is what it showed for Bond, using conservatively the league run environment rather than the Defenders’ team run environment (which, being lower, would project him yet higher):

           AB BB H 2B 3B HR
Raw: 450 67 150 21 5 1
MLE: 453 64 145 21 4 1

The method is a variation of the original Bill James method, as are most MLE calculators. For those interested in checking, the calculated m was 0.92638674998949, based on an MLB R/G of 4.896067415 and an EL R/G of 4.291519434 (the team’s R/G was 4.144366197).

As I say, this was a quick hack-up of the original PHP script, but I think it’s correct. The details, again for those who want to verify, are:

m = 0.812 x (MLBrperg/ELrperg) where the .812 is the skill differential betweeen the minors and the majors (81.2%). With m calculated, M is its square root. Then (working with the EL stats):

outs = AB – H

walks =walks x m
hits = hits x M x 0.98
doubles = doubles x M
triples = triples x m x 0.85
homeruns = homeruns x m
at-bats = hits + outs (MLE hits + EL outs)

And finally, the results are pro-rated to represent the same number of total plate appearances (based on AB and BB, with the lesser stats assumed comparable).

If there is nothing significantly wrong with all that (and I don’t think there is), the translations are quite remarkable: OBP of .404 and OPS of .795 (Freddy Sanchez’s career OPS is .751), which would put him in the top few for second basemen. (Especially since OPS has defects which over-value power and correspondingly under-vale OBP.)

The point is that even deflating those projections by quite a bit, he still comes out looking pretty good.

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by owlcroft on Oct 10, 2009 3:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why isn't Brett Pill on that list??

I mdean really WTF!!

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by greg8370 on Oct 10, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Because it’s a list of the top 20 prospects from the Eastern League and Brett Pill is nowhere near that good a prospect. Perhaps if it were a best performance list he’d get more of a look in.

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by GiantFan on Oct 12, 2009 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that I’m surprised hasn’t drawn comment is that there’s no Alderson in this list. He seems to have really plummeted in peoples minds and it’s going to be interesting just how far he drops when the rankings come out.

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by GiantFan on Oct 12, 2009 4:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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