Mat Gamel available
The Brewers are saying Mat Gamel is available after the season Casey McGehee had last year. Gamel's got some power and the Brewers desperately need pitching. Given his mediocre ML numbers, anyone think we could get this done with a AAA pitcher and a throwaway prospect?
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quincy0191
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I saw that. I think they’re looking for starters and Gamel’s not worth Sanchez. I also think the Brewers can likely pry a starter from another team that’s better than Pucetas or Martinez.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Oct 7, 2009 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is
JJ Hardy for Gamel
or
Alcides Escobar for Gamel worth it?
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 7, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Given that Gamel, Hardy, and Escobar all play for the Brewers, I don’t see that trade going down.
by quincy0191 on Oct 7, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoah that's crazy
I forgot predicates.
JJ Hardy + Gamel for J Sanchez or Bumgarner+
or
Alcides Escobar and Gamel for J Sanchez or Bumgarner+
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 7, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’d be something to consider but i doubt the Brewers would be interested in giving them both up for just Sanchez or Bumgarner.
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by GiantFan on Oct 8, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do that trade if I was the brewers
by OTTOMATIC on Oct 8, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way the Brewers trade Gamel and Hardy for Sanchez, and probably not for Bumgarner. Gamel’s their #2 prospect and Hardy’s already had significant major league success at a premium position. That’d be like us trading Posey and Bowker for Tommy Hanson.
by quincy0191 on Oct 9, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t put to much stock in prospect ranking
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by say hey nation on Oct 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slo is typeing like me!
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by daveinexile on Oct 8, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do it. My numbers may be off but wasn’t Gamel a top 25 prospect going into the year (and that’s with being atrocious at 3B)? Maybe we can cut his total chances and move him to LF, but with everyone projecting him to be a future middle of the order hitter, I would be in favor of the trade.
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by SeeingStars on Oct 7, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, i think Gamel would be an interesting possibility but we don’t match up very well. I wouldn’t trade Sanchez or Bumgarner for him and lesser starters like Pucetas or Martinez aren’t going to be anywhere near enough.
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by GiantFan on Oct 8, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the consensus that he’ll only be able to play 1b in the bigs?
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by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Consensus? negatory, ghost writer...
but 7 errors in 61 IP looky no likey
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 7, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then there's our misleading sense of pitching depth...
I think it will be tried in 2010, what with our current 2-yr run of relative health showing how tenuous we were in the second half. Man, Sanchez’s peripherals really look like break-out time, too. Much more so than in past years.
What would we have to throw in to do Gamel + Hardy? I like Hardy as a potential nouveau De Rosa (not that he’d like the idea, however). With our OF defense inevitably regressing, it’s time to improve the D up the middle, imho.
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 7, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers like trying everyone at 3b first…
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 7, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Braun, and Gamel were both drafted as 3b.
by Hobbes2d on Oct 7, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, we should offer them Schierholtz!
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by EliminateMe on Oct 8, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for your inquiry. However, the young player in question had only a .242 batting average. As you might know, this is lower than the .261 batting average that Travis Ishikawa hit for, and we’d likely have to move Gamel to first base. So why would we consider a move that isn’t even a lateral move?
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by Grant on Oct 7, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Screw this, I’ll just be a stripper.
Love,
Mat Gamel
by sanfranfreakshow on Oct 7, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because….OPS….power….not making outs…..aaaarrgggghhhh…WALL OF STUPID TOO STRONG!
by quincy0191 on Oct 7, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that I would put anything past Sabean, but he has done a lot of talking about OBP since the season ended. It was even in his letter to the season ticket holders. It took him awhile to realize the key to success is the farm system, but he finally realized it a few years ago. Maybe now he’s come to his senses on the type of player he wants to put into the lineup.
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by rxmeister on Oct 7, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again
He only OPS’d 760 last year.
I’d be in favor of getting if the getting was good. But one must remember that a move like this essentially ends Garko and Ishikawa if it works.
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by GiantPain on Oct 7, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we stick in him LF how confidant should we be that he’s really gonna be that much of an upgrade over Bowker? (I give you that he’s an upgrade over a Velez/Torres platoon) I know he was a top prospect, but his PCL numbers aren’t really overwhelmingly impressive.
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by sam23 on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough to say. However, once he has 10 ABs in the majors, Sabean and Bochy will know
by Splash Down on Oct 7, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’ll be way better than Bowker, but that’s not saying much. What does anyone see upside-wise in Bowker at this point? Dudes got massive holes in his swing, no defense to speak of, and no speed. While I agree he never really got a consistant look, I don’t want to see him everday in 2010. RF has to be upgraded if Franchez and Uribe are coming back. He’ll, I’m hoping Schierholtz is included in whatever trade goes down.
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by cain1rstballothof on Oct 7, 2009 9:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There are many successful major leaguers with holes in their swing.
Aaron Rowand, for instance.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 8, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young power hitter have holes in their swing. And get made to look very foolish on MLB breaking stuff. I am not saying Bowker will figure it out just he is young enough he could figure it out. And untell the team gets a lock in LF the team should take even chance for him to tr and figure it out.
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by daveinexile on Oct 8, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to get Gamel but I wouldn’t give up Bumgarner or Sanchez for him and we don’t have anything in between those two and the Pucetas/Martinez level.
TOO BAD ABOUT THAT!!! I WONDER WHERE WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN GOOD BUT NOT GREAT PITCHING PROSPECTS LIKE THOSE?? WHERE WOULD YOU FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
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by jponry on Oct 8, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/.300 hitter
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by Grant on Oct 8, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KLaw is not a fan
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I ranked Milwaukee third baseman Mat Gamel 86th on my top 100 prospects last winter despite a strong track record in the minors because of concerns about his swing and lack of position. He looks hopeless at third base, with bad hands and feet for the position, and while he has plenty of arm he tends to sidearm the ball, which isn’t going to help his throwing accuracy.
The Brewers have brought up several third basemen in name only (3BINOs) recently, stuck with them as long as they reasonably could (or longer), and yet none has improved enough to stay at the position. Gamel is much less athletic than Ryan Braun is, and it’s not likely that he’ll break the streak.
At the plate, Gamel has two things going for him — bat speed and raw strength. His wrists are quick and he explodes to the ball once he gets his hands started from a fairly deep loaded position, with good extension through the ball. He’s strong and looks like he’ll get a little stronger, probably producing 25 to 30 home run power at his peak. He also has shown adequate plate discipline throughout his career. On the negative side, Gamel’s entire swing isn’t conducive to making adjustments. He bars his lead arm fully (see screenshot) after striding, which limits his time to react to pitches and also commits him somewhat to a predetermined path. A bar isn’t fatal — teammate Frank Catalanotto has barred his front arm throughout a 13-year career in the majors — but it increases the importance of skills like pitch recognition and hand-eye coordination that Gamel hasn’t shown.
Until this year he had a strong track record of performance at every level, including a .329/.395/.537 line last year in Double-A Huntsville and a .300/.378/.472 line the year before that in the hitter-unfriendly Florida State League. Since reaching Triple-A, however, his contact rates have suffered significantly, with 99 strikeouts in 353 plate appearances there across two years, none of which is a surprise given his swing; advanced pitching is giving him trouble.
Gamel’s profile isn’t that of a great prospect. He currently has no position, and he’s probably going to end up a below-average corner outfielder, a first baseman, or a DH, any of which would require more offensive output than third base would. He’s a few major adjustments away from becoming a good hitter for average in the majors, and his walk rates, while adequate, would probably still produce low to moderate OBPs for a player at a hitter’s position. I understand that the Brewers refused to part with Gamel in trade talks this summer, and given his track record in 2007-08 I can see some reason for the reluctance, but I’m not sure where he profiles for a club with superstars at first base and in left field and no DH spot available.
by Hobbes2d on Oct 8, 2009 12:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BARS HIS ARM!!!!!
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by chilibean_3 on Oct 8, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No point in it
He’ll just be blocked by Fielder when we trade Cain for him.
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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 8, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d definitely trade Tim Alderson for him…oh, wait.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 8, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He should’ve been named Gar.
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