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I hate the Rockies. Hate them, hate them, hate them. I hate that they couldn’t win a single game against the Braves in 1993. I hate that they went 7-13 against the Diamondbacks in 2001. I hate that Neifi Perez existed, and I hate that he hit a home run in what used to be the worst park in the history of baseball to prevent the Giants from winning the 1998 Wild Card outright. I hate that when the Giants needed help in 2004, the Rockies lost every game against the Astros.

And I hate this new Coors Field. I hate that it’s almost a neutral park. The previous incarnation of Coors Field was a disgrace. It was the equivalent to allowing aluminum bats, three designated hitter slots in every lineup, and four outs in every inning. It wasn’t baseball. And then…poof? By some manner of witchery, it’s a normal place to play baseball. Also, now the Rockies have ripped off two of the greatest extended runs in baseball history in two of the last three years. In that time, the team also manipulated baseballs to affect run scoring. Ostensibly for everyone, mind you. I’m not claiming that there’s a conspiracy. But I am claiming that this thing runs deep. The Carlyle Group, the Knights Templar, Chick Gandil, and (Tuffy) Rhodes Scholars…they all know about the humidor, man, and you sheeple can ignore it and chew your grass, man, while they keep pulling your own wool over your eyes.

Star-divide

So I hate the Rockies. But danged if I don’t respect them. Almost the entire lineup is homegrown. They’ve made astute pickups to fill in some of the gaps, but most of their success is due to triumphs in amateur scouting and player development. Why would that impress me?

Brian Sabean: Hey, congratulations on a hard-fought race. Your team played hard, and there’s no shame in losing to you.

Dan O’Dowd: Thanks, Brian. I really appreciate that.

Sabean: I mean, I look at your roster, and I can’t stop kicking myself. Where was I when you were getting all of these guys?

O’Dowd: Yeah, it’s a heck of a group. Heck of a group.

Sabean: If I could go back in time, one of the first things I’d do is offer Troy Tulowitski a bigger contract than you did. I’d go right over the top and give him an extra $10M.

O’Dowd: Well, actually, he wasn’t a free ag…

Sabean: And Brad Hawpe? Man, I would have totally given him one more year than you guys did.

O’Dowd: Actually, we drafted and developed those last two players. They weren’t free agents.

Sabean: Ha, yeah, that’s rich. But I would have loved to sign Seth Smith before you did.

O’Dowd: Again, we drafted Smith. He was never a free agent.

Sabean: Uh, whatever. And this Fowler kid…man, it’s rare that you see someone that young in free agency. You must have signed him really early in the offseason. He wasn’t even on my radar.

O’Dowd: Yeah, I’m not sure how I can get this across, but, uh, we drafted him too.

Sabean: But he’s only 23. Do you expect me to believe that you drafted him, let him play at different minor league levels, properly evaluated his major league readiness, and then didn’t bury him behind a procession of middling veterans?

O’Dowd: Kind of.

Sabean starts walking away slowly, still facing O’Dowd

Sabean: You’re a real jerk, O’Dowd. I was just trying to compliment you, and you try to make me look like an ass. Take your science fiction stories and shove ‘em, pal. And just know that the next time one of these good players comes on the market, I’m going to offer more years and more money than you’ve ever dreamed of.

That’s why I’m impressed. Because I’m a Giants fan. But can I really root for the Rockies?


Shane Victorino

#8 / Center Field / Philadelphia Phillies

5-9

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Nov 30, 1980


Good gravy. I can not not root for the Rockies, I guess.

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Even with Rectum Face, I will root for the Phils over the Rockies.

by kdl on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

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by bondslegend on Oct 7, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

O'Dowd is going to shove it....

and love it, AND DANCE AROUND ABOVE IT

SHOVE IT, AND LOVE IT, AND DANCE AROUND ABOVE IT

by Fila429 on Oct 7, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chief , you continue to amaze and amuse.

Now just relax and watch as this latest of “the greatest extended runs in baseball history in two of the last three years” falls just as flat on its face on baseball’s biggest stage as the last one did.

/worries that he has now ensured the Rockies’ success

Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.

by victor frankenstein on Oct 7, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still rooting for the Phillies even if Rectum Face is on the Phillies.

FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!

by 49er16 on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

/hides

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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

/scarred

"I FEEL A LOT OF HAPPY!" - Juan Uribe

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by djp4cal on Oct 7, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish they'd make this movie.

Arseface needs to be loved by the masses.

by jewbacca on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not an animal!

Pablo's not fat. He's just got body.

by LeMasterBlaster on Oct 7, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m changing my settings on SBN so all comments are posted as headlines until you open it

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by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holy Crap

FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
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by 49er16 on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t get what Kieth Richards is doing in this thread.

by toofruss on Oct 8, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping for a 2002-like cancellation of the postseason. F everyone

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Oct 7, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Carlton Chronicles!

I hate the Rockies more this season than I think I ever have.

Also, am I the only one who doesn’t have a problem with Rectum Face?

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t, really. Not his fault no one’s heard of the Giants or their rookie.

I’m rooting for Min>NY, Phi>Col, StL>LA and :holds nose: Bos>Ana. Though I guess that’s pretty obvious, considering I’m posting here. My friend in SoCal will be baffled as to why I’m not rooting for his dear Angels when I post this on Facebook, though.

by troymccluresf on Oct 7, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

People don’t hate him because of the All Star Game…

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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The History of Rectum Face:

1. Hit a HR of Timmy is his debut – pretty impressive
2. Ran into a fielder during a pickle and got awarded a base on interference – to me that’s just smart base running and probably a bad call on the part of the umpire
3. Voted to the All-Star game over Panda – voters are dumb and so is Charlie Manuel
4. Got booted from a game for arguing balls and strikes from CF – hilarious and also the umpire is a little sensitive

Anything else I’m forgetting?

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  


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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Inadvertent

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 7, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

INADVERTENT!

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly though, I was going to say that in the first one he could just be reaching for the bag but that seems unlikely given that it’s a double play situation. I don’t really have a problem with either of these photos.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s against the rules, and it’s pretty dangerous.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 7, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s the umpire’s job to enforce the rules and the league’s responsibility to issue suspensions. Grabbing a guy’s shoe is certainly less dangerous than sliding into him with your cleats.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

So you can’t dislike a guy for cheating and trying to hurt people because he didn’t get caught and he could’ve done something worse?

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 7, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whenever you go hard into 2nd base it’s dangerous. I don’t believe he’s trying to hurt anyone. I disagree with Cookyman below that whatever he’s doing in that second picture is more dangerous than sliding into a guys leg. Nearly all injuries at 2nd base occur when the baserunner hits the fielder’s leg. When the fielder gets airborn like that he’s relatively safe because his legs are no longer in danger of bending the wrong way.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has hurt people, though. By colliding with them. At first base. He’s a menace.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have to see the play.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

he gave someone a concussion once

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by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s the specific play I’m talking about. Conor Jackson.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you describe it?

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus are you his wife or something?

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by bondslegend on Oct 7, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, but we did share a romantic weekend in Maui once

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

At a Holiday Inn, no less.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why cant you just admit

that maybe he’s not the cleanest player in the game? Whether you agree that that’s a big deal or not isn’t the issue- there are a number of documented cases where he’s made dirty baseball plays and gotten away with it. Sure, it’s up to the umpires to enforce the rules, but saying he’s not dirty is like saying Rodney Harrison or Bruce Bowen were OK because they got away with a lot of stuff. They’re still dirty players.

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by bondslegend on Oct 7, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

So I’m not convincing you?

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why is that your reply to everyone who defends something you don’t like?

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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by cheno on Oct 7, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He ran helmet-first into Conor Jackson’s face.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Smart baserunning!

Seriously though. Sounds bad, I haven’t seen the play so I can’t really comment.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

google shane victorino conor jackson

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by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I searched youtube but now I’ve found it.

The result is obviously terrible but I don’t know how you can watch that and think he’s trying to injure Jackson.

Video

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by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it Victorino’s fault that the fielder made a bad throw that forced CoJack to be standing on the first base line? I don’t see how he is trying to hurt Jackson either

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by TexasRanger on Oct 7, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know, I’ve seen that play before and I remember it looking much worse than it does.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grabbing a guy like that is pretty likely to cause him to land poorly, which, in turn, could very easily cause his legs to “bend the wrong way.”

Nearly all injuries at 2nd base occur when the baserunner hits the fielder’s leg, because it happens all the time. More people die from asthma than from huge balls of fire falling from the sky, but that doesn’t mean that asthma is more dangerous, just that it’s more common.

And because slides into the MI are so common, MI are aware of the danger, and can prepare their bodies for the hit. Maybe the most dangerous thing about grabbing a guy like that is that he has absolutely no reason to be prepared for it, and no time to adjust his body.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 7, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m talking about the second picture. Grabbing a guy like that is way more dangerous than sliding into his leg.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Oct 7, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s clearly going for the bag.

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by EliminateMe on Oct 7, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going for the sack?

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Oct 7, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ransacking the junk?

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Oct 7, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, everything is wrong with the top picture. The second one could just be a bad shot.

Then there’s the first-base collisions and the basepath obstruction and the…

The guy ROUTINELY breaks the rules to help himself. And the league seems content to reward him for it. It’s pretty reprehensible.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of when everyone got upset about ARod slapping the ball out of Arroyo’s glove.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

When ARod did one thing one time? Victorino has a history of doing this stuff multiple times against multiple teams. It’s completely different.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

what is he doing besides breaking up double plays and asserting his right to the basepath?

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Running directly out of the base line, towards the right field fence to deliberately collide with a fielder = being assertive?

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 7, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I addressed this here.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it’s just “smart baserunning,” why doesn’t it happen every time anyone’s in a run down? Sure, some guys will attempt to make contact, but I can’t remember anyone but Victorino pulling off anything so brazen as running into the outfield to do it.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Oct 7, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well most players don’t even attempt to get out of run downs. Chasing someone into the outfield is ridiculous and the umps should not have let him get away with it but the idea that you should make contact with a fielder when caught in a pickle is not ridiculous. Players are taught to do that on offense and taught to avoid those situations on defense.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chasing someone into the outfield is ridiculous and the umps should not have let him get away with it

Well, this whole thing started with you asking why Victorino was unlikable, right? Well, here you have it.

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by jcb9 on Oct 7, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t think that’s more on the umpires and analogous to the Arod thing?

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they both tried to pull BS plays and one got away with it and the other didn’t. I think they’re both lame and unlikable things to do, but I tend to dislike Victorino more because he did it against the Giants.

The umpires were crap for not getting the call right, but that doesn’t affect how I see Victorino’s role in the play.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis

by jcb9 on Oct 7, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I guess we just disagree then.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m on your side… sure, it pisses you off when it happens, but if he did that in a Giants uniform he’d be my favorite player.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Oct 7, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Running down the first baseline and running in to 1b when its not necessary

grabbing peoples get who are in the are turning a double play

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by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the Conor Jackson play, was he supposed to stop running before he got to the bag and give up? I don’t see how he could have avoided it. Jackson is on the 1st base line and Victorino is running full speed trying to be safe, I don’t think he could have stopped

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by TexasRanger on Oct 7, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we obviously just aren’t going to agree on this. Leaving the basepath, grabbing players, initiating hazardous contact…

I guess I see it as “there are rules, and he is not following them” and you see it as “there are rules, and they have a lot of freaking wiggle room.”

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

And because Victorino is paying him, or something

wtf, srsly

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by bondslegend on Oct 7, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

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by cheno on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought that was funny.

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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly though, I was going to say that in the first one he could just be reaching for the bag

Uhh, it looks like he’s reaching for the bag in the second one, too.

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by Flapjacks McGurty on Oct 7, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also in a game against the Giants, Victorino ran out of the baseline to try and take out Vizquel.

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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought that was the interference play?

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, you’re saying attempting to take out a fielder who isn’t even in your way (and he really had to go out of his way to do it) is just smart baserunning?

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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I may be misremembering the play, but it is smart base running to attempt to make contact with a fielder who doesn’t have the ball when you’re in a pickle. We were taught to do this in college. Now if his attempt was overly aggressive and a threat to injure Omar then that’s a different case but I don’t quite remember it that way.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, he did run onto the infield grass to make contact. In fairness to your earlier point, it was a terrible call too

by Splash Down on Oct 7, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!

That is a fundamental part of base running. A fielder cannot obstruct your path without the ball. BUT It also goes the other way, if a runner runs into a fielder attempting to field a batted ball the runner is out. The second instance can be used by second baseman to step into the base path to field a grounder on a DP. If there is contact the Ump can rule it an automatic DP.

And that’s your giants replay.

by TwoBagger on Oct 7, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's right

I’m still rooting for the Phillies. Screw the Rockies.

FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!

by 49er16 on Oct 7, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that was, like, one of five times he’s done that same thing! And gotten away with it!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

hot

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Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.

by shanghaijim on Oct 7, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Being in Philly I have to hear about Rectumface all the time. About how he tries and is really motivated and blah, blah blah. Dude is like a fast Fred Lewis who catches the balls he gets too.

And after seeing 1000000000000000000000 replays of the ejection I think the umpire over reacted, BFD if he doesn’t agree he can show it.

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by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

So basically he’s a younger Aaron Rowand. He’s a gamer/gritty.

FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!

by 49er16 on Oct 7, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doc Holliday: Evidently Mr. Victorino’s a gamer. Now I really hate him.

by kaliber on Oct 7, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes , there is.

Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.

by victor frankenstein on Oct 7, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why this fell down to here I have no idea.

But hey , here’s your sparkplug Philly CF as the Wrigley love rains down…

Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.

by victor frankenstein on Oct 7, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a brilliant picture.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Oct 7, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  


“PFAFF! PFAFF! FUCK the Phillies! TWO I’s! TWO L’s! TOO BAD!”

Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.

by victor frankenstein on Oct 7, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, fair enough. I’d forgotten about most of this stuff. But man, I still do hate the Rockies. Normally, I’d be a root-for-your-division kind of guy, but I just don’t think I can’t.

I’m especially worried for the LCSs when the three teams I can stand aren’t in it anymore.

by troymccluresf on Oct 7, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate the Rockies as well.

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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

TWINS!

"I FEEL A LOT OF HAPPY!" - Juan Uribe

FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Oct 7, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I’ll be rooting for the Phillies as well, I’ll just root against Victorino every chance I get.

by nofreetime on Oct 7, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m rooting for the teams that aren’t the Dodgers, Rockies, or Red Sox. I’m pretty “meh” about this year’s teams.
On another note, is the site acting weird for anyone else right now? It keeps showing new comments even though after I’ve opened the threads and read them.

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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s acting weird for me

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Oct 7, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I’m having the same problem.

by kdl on Oct 7, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me three (and I just posted about it in the playoff chatter thread as well).

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by EliminateMe on Oct 7, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, Grant mentioned the Knights Templar AND Chick Gandil. They won’t let that stand. I shouldn’t even be talking about it.

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by shanghaijim on Oct 7, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

according to Fooch

on NN, they turned out some function for a while because something was broken. looks like it’s back on now

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 7, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same here.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Oct 7, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go Cardinals!

Or the Twins, but their stay in the post season looks to be very short.
Yankees: Just say no
RedSox: fans make me want to main and kill (but that’s still illegal in all states except Mississippi
Angels: well NEVER is too soon (freaking rally monkey)
Phillies: (see RedSox)
Dodgers: (See Angels, and multiply times infinity)
Rockies: 1993 will never be forgiven. Rocktober my ass.

Therefore, I hope the Phillies/Rockies series goes five games, with each game lasting a minimum of 16 innings where each pitching staff is decimated. Cards sweep the Dodgers with three shutouts becoming the first team to not allow a run in a Divisional series.

Cardinals vs Twins. MVPs face off. Cards win.

My two favorite teams are the Giants, and whomever is playing the Dodgers!

by World Series or Bust on Oct 7, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Cardinals vs Twins Red Sox. MVPs face off. Cards Red Sox win.

by sfoakbay on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else having issues with SBN?

Whenever I leave a post and go back it says all the posts except mine are new, even the ones I replied to

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory

by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I starteed skipping comments that said I am rooting for x and x

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not having problems.

FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!

by 49er16 on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s happening to me, too.

by non sequitur on Oct 7, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone else notice an eerie similarity between this Angels team and The Angels Team That Shall Not Be Named?

Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ

-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Oct 7, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Not really…

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory

by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not even the team name

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose I was only taking the line up into account. But I think that’s the important thing: TATTSNBN really hit the snot out of the ball that year, with production from players at every position, not even power necessarily, but for average and OBP all over the place. They have a few more “name” players this year; they aren’t necessarily better hitters.

The pitching in 2002 was significantly better. I’m stunned to discover that Darren Oliver has been one of their most effective relievers this year. I’ve never seen him as being anything other than crappy, but it looks like he has put up a pretty solid run for the Angels.

Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ

-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Oct 7, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 2002 Angels definitely had a much better bullpen. * shakes fist at K-rod*

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory

by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I thought you were referring to tragedy.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Adenhart = 2009 Rally Monkey. Hate the commercials.

by Fredo Baggins on Oct 7, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I sad for him like everyone else...

but I’m just sick of the repetition of. We get it. Let him RIP, and let’s move on. I prefer silent grief.

by Fredo Baggins on Oct 7, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like it’s a marketing ploy to get people to watch the Angels in the playoffs.

by Fredo Baggins on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

You feel like they’re trivializing his death?

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Oct 7, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exploiting it.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Oct 7, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.
I feel like it’s a marketing ploy to get [most] people to watch root for the Angels in the playoffs.

There are 7 other teams in the postseason. Why can’t they each have a share of the spotlight with their own commercial?

by Fredo Baggins on Oct 8, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Got to root for the Phils. Hatred for an entire franchise > hatred for one player. Plus, I’d sacrifice members of my distant family (not sister or mom or anything, but 2nd cousin) to have Chase Utley on the Giants.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Oct 7, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Lewis for Utley

Sabes, get it done, it works for both teams…

/ducks

My two favorite teams are the Giants, and whomever is playing the Dodgers!

by World Series or Bust on Oct 7, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait a few more years, when Utley's aged some more...

Then wait a few more…

Then sign him to a lucrative free agent deal that overrates and overpays him.

by Every6thDay on Oct 7, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

at which time he reunites with the 42 year old rectum face that plays center field for us @ $15mil/year for 5 more years.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell
converting tools into skills since 2008...

by WTF on Oct 7, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where does rectum face land on the whole, “You think your shit don’t stink?” thing?

by Every6thDay on Oct 7, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

What is Cole Hamels whining about on TV

“We don’t care about the TV ratings….” Really? do you like your paycheck? a large portion of it comes from TV ratings.

"Matt Cain will save the children, but not the Dodger children" - I realize this is someone else's signature but I wanted to emphasize it because it is so damn genius on several levels at once.

by I own a Kayak and I'm not sure why now on Oct 7, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Gotta root for the Rockies

It would be worth it to hear McCarver or whoever saying in a couple of weeks “Wow. This team couldn’t handle the Giants but here they whipping the Yankees big time!” Anyway, here’s how I’ve done it for decades and I’m too old to change:
1)Anybody in your division who isn’t the Dodgers
2)Anybody in the National League who isn’t the Dodgers
3)If it has to be the American League, anybody who isn’t the Yankees followed by
4)Anybody who isn’t the Yankees or the Angels followed by
5)Anybody who isn’t the Yankees, Angels or Red Sox.
The overriding questions remains, though, how many days until pitchers and catchers report to spring training?

by NearestNorwich on Oct 7, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

These are rules I can get behind…

That said, Dodgers-Yankees would be good for Baseball. Bad for us, sure, but good for the sport.

by Every6thDay on Oct 7, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

The announcers would never acknowledge the Giants.

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory

by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

They would, however, stop to talk about Eli Manning & The Giants, either because of a FOX promo or because they were teasing the Yankees’ series (and, therefore, all things New York), or because Joe Buck had an erotic dream about the Manning Bros.

by Every6thDay on Oct 7, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also Fringe and Family Guy.

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Oct 7, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

And House, followed by America’s foremost expert on lie detection. Tim Roth stars in an all-new “Lie To Me.”

by Every6thDay on Oct 7, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought that House was America’s foremost expert on lie detection. PEOPLE LIE!

That might have spoiled every episode in seasons 1 and 2. Sorry.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Everybody lies."

Not so much detection as just a worldview that he assumes whenever he talks to someone.

by Every6thDay on Oct 7, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

and SURPRISE he’s always right. But I do love that show anyways.

Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs

by bondslegend on Oct 7, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s pretty great. After last year’s high level of suck, the show seems like it’s back on track more or less, too, which is nice.

by Every6thDay on Oct 7, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

and Avatar and glee

I R 5

by say hey nation on Oct 7, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, it’ll be fun when that creepy bald guy shows up at the World Series.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.

by groug on Oct 7, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit, I had one of those the other afternoon.

--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.

by shanghaijim on Oct 7, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course not

But in my dreams they can’t help saying it and so I’ll hear it.

by NearestNorwich on Oct 7, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do like those rules. I just can’t stand Dinger right now.

--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.

by shanghaijim on Oct 7, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

I agree with this assertion of who to root for.

by MO-ped MO-problems on Oct 7, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um, I was replying to someone way up there, basically I’ll be rooting for the the twins, then the rockies.

by MO-ped MO-problems on Oct 7, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

GO TWINS!

Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs

by bondslegend on Oct 7, 2009 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

this

--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.

by shanghaijim on Oct 7, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

TWINKIES

Nobody likes money

by fwoty oz on Oct 7, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'm watching this wrong...

MLB.tv won’t let me see the TBS feed… a me problem or a part of the deal with the postseason viewing experience coupled with blackout restrictions?

by Every6thDay on Oct 7, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s on 1050, if that helps.

by troymccluresf on Oct 7, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go Cards or Phils!

Philly – Whatever, i guess I could stand for a repeat. All i really hate is Victorino and Werth.

St. Louis – Eh, must be nice having a big slugger like Pujols with another slugger to provide protection.

Dodgers – I hate you all.

Rockies – No way, my hatred for you gets into Dodger territory. How many games can you win by walk-off? You are lucky to be there and will be quick to leave.

New York – The Evil Empire and they know it. It has been awhile but man i love seeing them lose. The tears are so delicious.

Boston – I hate you so much. You spend nearly as much as the Yankees and you play it off like you don’t. You aren’t the good guys, just some douchey NY knock-offs that pretend to be the lovable losers. It’s old and your fans are 70% fair-weather.

Twins – I’m still bitter about the Nathan/Liriano/Bonser trade. It’s not nice to pick on Sabean, he’s “special”.

Angels – Go home and spank your monkey.

by Giant Voodoo on Oct 7, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Middling Veterans/Middling Prospects

While I certainly agree Sabean can’t draft position players (and only recently showed he can draft pitchers), I don’t think development of prospects so far has been hindered by middling veterans since there have been no decent prospects in a long time. This notion that we have been playing veterans over prospects feeds a bit into the fallacy that Bonds’ presence created the inability to develop players. The Cardinals seems to have been able to win consistently with Pujols and develop some fine hitters all at the same time. The real problem is the Giants have not had any solid prospects. Even the outfield home-grown talent is iffy – certainly aside from Lewis no one else should have started in an MLB line-up. Granted, Lewis didn’t start, but it wasn’t Rowand’s at-bats he should have taken, it was Velez’. Maybe Posey can change things. I just wish they had not re-hired Sabean.

by ErodCal on Oct 7, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

agreed; Bonds was being used as a copout.

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!

by greatgiantfan on Oct 7, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee--Surgeon

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!

by greatgiantfan on Oct 7, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Humidifier

I would love to see the stats on how many bottom of the ninth wins at Coors Field the Rockies won and how many ninth inning wins they had away from home. They had a lot of them and they are a good team for sure, not discounting that. But seriously folks, what is to stop a bat boy from grabbing from the balls that have been sitting in the dugout all game rather than from the Humidifier? How would you even know if the ball was humidified or not? Do the Umps know the difference?

by ob_surfer on Oct 7, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

it’s all spelled out in “Humidifier Law”

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!

by greatgiantfan on Oct 7, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Humidifier law in this country is not governed by reason.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Oct 8, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Go Yankees!

/hides

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

by jctGamer on Oct 7, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Hooray Yankees

/awaits angry McCoven lava

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Oct 7, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'll never take us alive

/falls on sword

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Oct 8, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I posted this elsewhere,

Phillies, Cardinals – either one – the other two. well I don’t need to explain, do I?
don’t care about the AL – whatever -

Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.

by timmeh on Oct 7, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

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