Giants to Pursue Jason Bay?
The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Giants plan to make a run at free agent outfielder Jason Bay. Bay, who has engaged in early talks with the Red Sox, is also expected to draw interest from the Mets, Yankees, among others.
Bay hit .267 with 36 home runs this season, but went just 1-for-8 in the postseason. Despite putting up career highs in home runs and RBIs, Bay hit 13 points below his career average and struck out a career high 162 times.
Still, Bay will be one of the most coveted free agents this offseason and could draw a deal worth 15-17 million dollars annually.
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I’d rather hear about them going after Holliday.
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by Natto on Oct 31, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Giants going after the best player available?
When has that happened. Other than Bonds, I mean.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 31, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said best, not most expensive.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 3, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 3, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bhaakon, it's called sarcasm.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 4, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just say no
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
There is just about no way Jason Bay will perform well enough to justify the big dollars he is going to get. We already have two extreamly overpaid long term contracts and adding a third would be just flat ass stupid.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true of practically any consistently performing player of above-average ability and production ever in free agency.
If everyone gets big money, you either have to pay to get good players or….you won’t get good players. And sometimes, they’ll flame out.
That’s just the sport these days.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 1, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Point Is That Holliday Will Be Worth The money He Gets But Bay Will Not
Holliday play’s good defense while Bay is horrible at it. Holliday will be worth the $20M+/yr he gets while Bay will not be worththe $15M+ he gets. Bay is the exact wrong big ticket target for the Giants or for that matter any non NY, NE, or LA team. Bay is only worth about $12M per year and the wise teams will be passing on anything more. Holliday on the other hand is actually worth entering a bidding war on as long as he can be signed Teixeria money or less.
by giantsrainman on Nov 1, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good players usually aren’t worth the money. Great players almost always are.
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by Cookyman on Nov 1, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s way too early to tell without knowing what Holliday is going to get.
Every year Boras sets these crazy demands for his top free agent. People scoff at the dollar amount and then he goes out and gets pretty damn close to it from some team. What if Holliday ends up getting 7 yrs. 140 million as opposed to 5yrs. 90 million for Bay?
If that’s the case I think Bay’s got a better chance to perform to the level of his contract. I’m not crazy about the idea of signing Bay, but I think there’s a shot that Holliday gets a contract along the lines of Texeira even though IMO he’s 3/4 the player.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Nov 1, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering that Fred Lewis IS the problem, I think we should give him 4/$75m.
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by NuschlerFace on Oct 31, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It'd better be Holliday or bust
If we don’t get Holliday, I only want one of the alternatives on a cheap, one year deal.
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by giants9107 on Oct 31, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nah
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 31, 2009 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As far as I'm concerned
People need to stop looking at Bay in terms of WAR, and start thinking in terms of WAVelezTorresPlatoon.
I think his numbers start to look a hell of a lot better then.
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by GiantPain on Oct 31, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Velez and Torres are good enough on defense together that they probably are a 1.5ish win player over a full season.
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by jponry on Oct 31, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't sound right
But I’ll concede that you would know better than me.
But acquiring Bay (in addition to today’s franchez signing) would have the unintended benefit of ensuring that eugenio velez is not a starting player on this team.
Unless Boch figures out somewhere else to put him.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 31, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2B when Sanchez’s knee explodes during spring training.
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by scout6 on Oct 31, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how you got your numbers there, JPon, but if you equally counted Velez and Torres, you have to remember that as the one who plays against righties, Velez will get the bulk of the playing time. I know it was just one play, but watching Velez spin around like a top and drop that routine fly the last game of the season makes it hard to believe he’s a better defender than Jason Bay. Put me down as part of the group that says Bay is not worth the money, but would be a huge improvement over the plan, so I’m down with it.
As for Matt Holliday, as I’ve said before, with Boras as the agent, you’re not signing him until the offseason is almost over because Boras is looking for Texeira type money. You could chase him the whole winter, lose out, and find out everyone else has signed elsewhere.
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by rxmeister on Nov 1, 2009 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
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by hairball on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2B when Sanchez’s knee explodes during spring training team photo day.
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by bgunn on Nov 2, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be pleased with acquiring Bay at 15M a season, BTW.
But lets be honest here, he (or Holliday) would only be part of the solution. The Giants would need to find significant improvement elsewhere. There’s a chance of that coming from within, of course, but lets not pretend that the team can sign one hitter then sit on its laurels.
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by Bhaakon on Oct 31, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this
At the right price, Bay would be a good addition, but he’s not the only addition this team needs to be truly competitive. So long as he’s not so expensive that the Giants can’t sign other FA hitters in future years when they become available, I’ve got no problem with it (though I would prefer Holliday).
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 31, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay > Torres/Velez Sanchez > Burriss Posey > Molina Garko/Ishi platoon > Ishi/Aurilia platoon. Healthy Renteria > bone chip Renteria. You could make the case that the 2010 Giants’ have ALREADY improved the offense, and the signing of Bay could be enough to make the difference. I’d love to see them continue to improve, but Bay alone just may be enough.
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by rxmeister on Nov 1, 2009 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay > Torres/Velez Sanchez > Burriss Posey > Molina Garko/Ishi platoon > Ishi/Aurilia platoon. Healthy Renteria > bone chip Renteria. You could make the case that the 2010 Giants’ have ALREADY improved the offense, and the signing of Bay could be enough to make the difference. I’d love to see them continue to improve, but Bay alone just may be enough.
Realistically, I expected that the returning pitching staff will decline enough to offset or exceed any internal improvement from the returning lineup.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 1, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The pitchers could also be better
I know most predict they won’t be as good, and there’s a chance someone gets hurt, but since Timmy, Cain and Sanchez are all young and still learning, there’s a chance they will be even better in 2010. Zito should be around the same, and the jury is still out on who the number five starter is. As for the bullpen, it might not be as strong in the middle, but WIlson, Affeldt and Romo make for one of the better setup-closer combinations in the league. Dan Runzler should give them the second strong lefty that they didn’t even have in 2009. I think any prediction for the pitching not being as good is based just on the fact that it was so good this past year, but it’s not based on anything concrete.
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by rxmeister on Nov 2, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don' think they could be better.
Pretty much everyone pitched at or above their talent level, and no one of consequence suffered a significant injured. The pitching will not improve next season. .
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by Bhaakon on Nov 2, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
There’s a chance Buster goes .290/.380/.470 which would be a substantial improvement at the plate.
If we could get Nick Johnson for 2/10 and Bay for 4/60, we’d be in good shape. Although without a legit leadoff guy.
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Sanchez 2B
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Bay LF
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Rowand CF
Buster C
Rentarrhea SS
My guess is that we will still see plenty of Torres/Velez only in RF and leadoff at Nates expense.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The Sox are anticipated to offer 4/60, so we might have to do 4/65 or something like that.
I think we could save money by keeping the Gark instead of NJ, but whatever floats your boat.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Nov 3, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It surprises me how quickly people have changed their opinions on Holliday, all things considered. Last year, it seemed most people were acknowledging his flaws and considering him as a bargain hitter.
A good three months and three pretty bad ones and everyone’s changed their tune about him? I mean his first three months weren’t that bad were they? I mean, it was Oakland with little protection and he was in the American League and a hitter’s ballpark and he wasn’t happy with the one year deal andOMG at the All-Star break, Freddy Sanchez had a higher OPS than Holliday!
Yes, the first three months were that bad. Honestly, if we’re talking about someone who’s going to get overpaid this offseason, it’s him.
I’m not saying he’s a bad player…but he’s not the ‘Holliday or the Highway’ type of thing some people are saying. And I’m not saying Bay is perfect. But between the two of them, I do think that Bay will be the better value for the buck.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 1, 2009 1:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that there’s not as much separation between the two as a lot of people in this thread seem to think, but I think it’s silly to judge Holliday on 3 bad months with the A’s. Yes, he was bad, but even good players slump sometimes. For his career, Holliday’s OPS is at .933, Bay’s is at .896. Bay is a year older. Holliday, from everything I’ve heard, is the better defender. And yes, Holliday’s offensive numbers are doubtless somewhat inflated because he played in Coors, but it’s not like Fenway is a pitcher’s paradise.
So you’re probably right, Brute, we shouldn’t forget about how bad Holliday looked before the trade to St. Louis, but we also shouldn’t forget his years in the NL West as a Rocky or his second half as a Cardinal. I think it would be hard to argue that Bay is as good as Holliday and I find it equally hard to imagine that the Red Sox would just let Bay go for cheap. When it comes down to it, both guys are going to be pretty expensive— probably Holliday a little bit more than Bay but I don’t think the difference is going to be that pronounced. And given how bad the Giants’ O was last year, I’d rather spend a little extra to get the best guy out there. Not that I’d say no to Bay, I’d just prefer Holliday.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 1, 2009 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but I would be shocked to sign either one. Winning a price war with the Red Sox for Bay or signing the number one FA out there in Holliday is just not the “Giants’ way.”
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by rxmeister on Nov 1, 2009 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is so true
My hopes for big FA signing, in order of preference:
1. Holliday
2. Bay
3. Cameron
4. Figgins
5. No one
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by hairball on Nov 2, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron ahead of Figgins?
I’d be happy with either at the right price. Is your ranking taking presumed monetary cost into consideration?
by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think wining a price war with the Red Sox is as difficult as you make it out to be.
They spend alot more in total than the Giants, but they’re surprisingly judicious when it comes to individual signings. They don’t just throw money at free agents without consideration, not since Epstein came int. Their highest paid player is “only” getting 14M a season, the Yankees have five players with a higher average salary, even the Giants have one.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 2, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Should we really be paying more attention to three mediocre months in Oakland than his entire career? And he’s a much better player than Bay is.
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by jponry on Nov 1, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They weren’t even really mediocre months. By normal hitters’ standards, he was still very good. His only actually bad month was April (.648 OPS), which is pretty understandable considering he was new to the AL. As ‘bad’ as he was in Oakland, he still posted a 5.6 WAR by the end of the year. He’s definitely worth 5 mil more than Bay.
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by boonitez on Nov 1, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they just said they were going to “pursue” him. For all we know that might mean Sabean chasing him around a Scottsdale golfcourse in a golf cart.
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by Merope on Nov 1, 2009 7:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Given the amount of money they actually have to spend,
(about $10-15 million of space, depending on who you listen to), I can’t see them blowing it all on one player. We’ve already seen how the cash coming off the books from Winn/Molina/Aurilia/Lowry/Howry/Miller is going to be gobbled up by the arbitration increases for Lincecum, Wilson, and J. Sanchez, and the Freddie Sanchez deal.
And this is before they figure out how to pay for Juan Uribe (assuming they slot him for 3B) and a #4 or 5 starter, which may be another $8-10 million.
So if they want to get a bat for a corner OF position, it’s going to have to come from a group that costs less than Bay or Holliday, after Neukom screams at Sabean for pushing the payroll up to $95 million.
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by Al Rosen on Nov 1, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
but also, the Giants earn money when they sell tickets. Everyone and their mother knows that what this team needs is a big bat— if the Giants were to sign one of the two guys out there this offseason who they could sell to the fans as that big bat, they’d sell a lot more tickets. I’m not suggesting that this means they’ll expand payroll, but I think they might slash payroll in some areas in order to be able to afford a big name FA to bat cleanup this offseason
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 1, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smoke, you make a good point, and
Sabean knows the value of a star hitter to sell tickets. And with his contract extension, he may feel safe enough to do it. But I don’t think it is remotely possible that Holliday would come here, nor do I think Bay is worth the $17-18 million per year it would take to even get him to look our way. And I don’t think Sabean thinks he’s worth it either.
I still think it’s more like they take a run at Beltre for 3B at a reasonable number, and then see what they can get for a corner outfield bat for about $8-9 million per year.
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by Al Rosen on Nov 1, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1) Holliday is going to go wherever the money is the best. That may well not be here, especially if the Yankees/Red Sox decide to get involved in the bidding. But if you’re saying you don’t think he’d want to play here because of the ballpark, I guess maybe he’d prefer to go somewhere else, but I’m pretty sure he’d still just go wherever the money was the best.
2) Personally, I’m scared of those kinds of “middle of the road” options— those are the kinds of contracts that have burned us in the past. Edgardo Alfonzo, Aaron Rowand, etc. etc. I’d rather overpay for one guy who is alegitimate superstar than multiple “meh” guys.
3) Beltre would not be the kind of option Sabean could point to and say “See! We’ve fixed it! Come buy tickets!” Holliday and Bay definitely are, and maybe Abreu is in sort of the same category. But other than those 3 (2.5?) guys, I don’t think there are any FA this year who would really help the team put butts in the seats over the offseason.
Anyway, if I were putting money on it, I’d guess you’d be right— we probably won’t wind up with one of the two big names this offseason. But I see it as more of a 60-40 thing than some kind of overwhelming odds situation. It’s been a few years since we’ve made a big FA splash, and Sabes usually attempts one of those every couple of years. They’ve failed, more often than not recently, but he still tries them.
And this year sets up pretty nicely for us to make a push because a lot of the big movers and shakers are going to be more conservative— the Cubs, Mets, and Dodgers are all struggling with financial issues, the Yankees may be en route to a WS win and just spent big last offseason, and the Angels will probably be pretty preoccupied with keeping a few of their own guys. Other than the Red Sox, I don’t see too many of the traditional big spending clubs in a position where they’re likely to go after the big splash fix this year. Now, maybe the Yankees lose and go all Steinbrenner again, or maybe they win and spend big anyway, but otherwise, this is looking like it could be an optimal year to SWOOP.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 1, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the corner outfielder the Giants get with $9M per year
would probably look like the one they have in CF for $12M. They’re more likely to find a scrap heap AAAA guy that could have a good year than a Renteria signing.
Alternately, if they cut ticket prices $3.70 per game, that’s OK too. I assume no one’s suggesting that Holliday or Bay per se would actually sell tickets; as opposed to an improved/more successful team that they’d be a part of. Certainly no one went to Oakland to see Holliday this year.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that his agent is suggesting that.
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by Bhaakon on Nov 1, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his agent
should keep in mind that this franchise ran out lineup cards with “4. Molina” for the last two years, with (mostly) straight faces.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, he's not a Bondsian level superstar
but I do think that everyone is well aware that the Giants shortcomings were on offense last year— that’s from the most casual fan on up. Holliday has some name recognition as a big bat and, while he’s not the kind of guy who sells tickets by himself, might be the kind of guy the team could point to and say that he would make the offense not so bad and sell some tickets this offseason on the premise of an overall team improvement that he’d help spark.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 1, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If, and it’s just speculation, the Giants do indeed bring in a LF, does Schierholtz then play RF and leadoff, or does Sabes try his beloved Velez/Torres option in RF instead?
I’d let Lewis have RF and leadoff, but that’s not likely.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 1, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're forgetting
the CLASSY option, once he’s re-signed…
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by natteringnabob on Nov 1, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/cries softly
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Judging by their actions last season, and also from Baggz speculation, they don’t seem very high on Schierholtz, so I doubt he’s an option. He should really only be used as a defensive replacement or pinch hitter, he doesn’t walk enough or have the contact skills to play everyday.
I think whoever they put in RF is basically a temporary option until Neal is ready.
by superk1ng on Nov 1, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants’ “braintrust,” and I use that term loosely, aren’t high on Schierholtz because he doesn’t walk enough, that would give me tons of hope going forward. I just have a funny feeling that they didn’t even notice that.
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by rxmeister on Nov 2, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This sounds like the similar speculation of the Giants pursuing CC Sabathia or Manny Ramirez. IE, it’s pretty fucking unlikely we will make an offer unless the price is right and Bay for some reason wants to come here.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 1, 2009 9:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
all things being equal, there’s little chance the Giants’ win a price war with the Red Sox for a player under normal circumstances, but after a year when the Yankees’ probably win the World Series? Next to impossible.
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by rxmeister on Nov 2, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So true
might as well pencil in the word “Yankees” next to all the game-changer FAs.
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by hairball on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what makes the Bay rumor somewhat fun to entertain, the Yanks do not appear interested. And if the bosox are not willing to go 5 years or much more than $15 M, then maybe the Giants could get him for $15.5-$16 M on a 4 yr deal. For what is available, without giving up any pitching, I’d be pretty happy with Bay on a 4 yr. Especially if it means Molina won’t be back. Bay can replace Molina’s “dingers” and be our cleanup hitter. The only issue with a LF aquisition is Sanhez may have to hit leadoff, and his OBP is not so great there. But it would be better than Velez’s I guess. I’d still like to see them get Hermida to play RF too if he’s non-tendered.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 2, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It just seems entirely unlikely the Red Sox would let Bay walk. Who do they have to replace him in LF? Unless they got Holliday, which I doubt, they can’t get an upgrade. I don’t think any of their OF prospects are quite ready yet either IIRC.
by Hobbes2d on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why do we doubt they'd get Holliday?
It seems like he’s pretty much being assumed to be a Yankee-in-waiting. Have there been any rumors that NY is interested? (I do remember reading that he wanted to be a Yankee, but that’s true of lots of FAs who want to be handed scads of money.)
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 2, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that they’re really considering moving Jacoby Ellsbury to LF. Apparently for defensive reasons, not quite sure. And it kind of seems like maybe Bay isn’t as stoked on returning as may have been assumed. Why not take a bit more money to play close to home? Plus you never have to face Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner; that alone should be a great selling point for Sabes.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 2, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m not the biggest Bay fan in the world, but anything to put up some runs for Matt and Timmy would be awesome. It’s really a shame to think of how many good outings this offense has spoiled, especially for Cainer.
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by cain1rstballothof on Nov 2, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How could his agent hand him that deal with a straight face…
knowing Aaron Rowand signed the same deal a few years ago.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
We heard about how the Giants were in on C.C. and in on Manny—total B.S.
by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we signed Bay
and Johnson it would be an extremely effective offseason. And I would have to stop molesting Sabean, at least until he screwed up again.
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by Cody_ransom on Nov 3, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can’t afford those two.
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by ResDog on Nov 3, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I’d rather have Garko and Bay, than NJ and Schierholtz. If the Giants go for NJ, with Franchez they’ll be putting some very fragile players out there. At least Bay’s durable. I really can’t see Sabes going after Johnson, unless he’s looking at Dye or someone as well. And again, I’d rather have Bay than NJ/Dye.
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